EPTWhat do you love watching the most right now?
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Firien
Poland115 Posts
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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Hirmu
Finland850 Posts
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:14 Scarecrow wrote: OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 Pretty much. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
I love playing SC2, but I'd rather watch any of the other three than SC2. | ||
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jgju
United States454 Posts
However, I have been known to enjoy an sc2 stream or two now that I'm in beta (especially day's and gretorp's). | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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XIII
483 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:23 Grobyc wrote: In all honesty, MSL > OSL > PL > SC2 I love playing SC2, but I'd rather watch any of the other three than SC2. same here, msl because of jaedong  | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:23 Grobyc wrote: In all honesty, MSL > OSL > PL > SC2 I love playing SC2, but I'd rather watch any of the other three than SC2. Same here How is MSL the lowest voted on??? boggles the mind... | ||
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Ideas
United States8073 Posts
goddamnit | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
But proleague ftw | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:14 Scarecrow wrote: OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 Yeah. SC2 is boring as of now (to watch that is...) | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:12 cybertopo wrote: MSL because of the Dong | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
Still love watching the SC1 matches too of course! I just love all Starcraft. | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
OSL>MSL>PL>SC2. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13020 Posts
OSL>MSL>Proleague>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SC2 | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I haven't been keeping up with SC2 at all, I didn't even know what a reaper was until I saw the picture in a Reaper harrass blog, and I've seen maybe 2 random games and that's it. Surprised to see SC2 dominate this poll | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:12 cybertopo wrote: MSL because of the Dong that's my reasoning for me it goes MSL OSL SC2 Proleague, but they're all pretty close since I enjoy them all... | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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losso
Bulgaria158 Posts
i got a beta pretty early, played it a bit, didn't like it. forced myself to play another ~100 games but i still just didn't like it. i try to watch games from time to time but i just get bored (or even annoyed) so fast. sc1 is so much more structured, nice to watch and (i don't really want to say this but..) overall better. i doubt that i will ever get interested in sc2 but i really hope this isn't the case because more and more people from my surrounding are making the switch and yeah, OSL > MSL > PL even though every single match in every single league is so intense right now | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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TheMunkey
Canada470 Posts
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7724 Posts
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
i like playing SC2, but i don't like to watch it. | ||
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noname_
456 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Next poll should be "What do you hate watching the most right now?" Look at the SC2 hate posts on this thread. Damn lurkers are winning the poll. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
Didn't expect SC2 to win this poll, let alone in landslide fashion. Voted OSL, because Flash gets to play non-terran opponents for a change... | ||
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
bw 4 life (OSL > MSL > PL) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SC2 Only because OSL and MSL are nearing the finals, heh. | ||
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SaftKalasEmil
Sweden213 Posts
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:12 cybertopo wrote: Damn StraightMSL because of the Dong | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Dont care about the individual ones as much, since I just watch my favorite players games and read live reports for recommended games anyways. | ||
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
Coverage by Day[9] and OMFGtv is really great, and watching people who are good at casting their own games while they play like Psyonic_Reaver and Orb is really awesome. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
btw it's funny there is so many comments how bad and boring sc2 is but it has 61% in the poll right now | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Initial_H.C.
Canada560 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
for me it's tie between OSL and PL Jaedong vs Midas.. omg that game again told me (zerg player) why it's so much fun to watch sc:bw and always will be. never gonna die. never gonna give you up. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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RelZo
Hungary397 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
i voted proleague, but i mostly watch tvz's as that's my favourite match-up. and then follow a couple other players who i like, but not saying who they are  | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:23 Grobyc wrote: MSL > OSL > PL > SC2 This. How can so many people prefer watching noobs playing SC2 over pros playing SC1? >_> This poll plus the "SC2 Beta Rank?" not having 95% platinum shows how many new people came with SC2... | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:16 h3r1n6 wrote: Nal_rA old boy If this were an option Id choose this. But in reality I voted for Proleague because most of my favorite players arent in individual leagues. D: | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
SC2 can be interesting to watch occasionally, but it can't come close to providing the excitement of a good BW game. | ||
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zdubius
Slovakia126 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:12 cybertopo wrote: MSL because of the Dong | ||
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
OSL MSL and PL have been so entertaining because of the great TL community and seeing them live is great. Plus Korean Commentators, REAVAAAAAAA | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
watching sc2 as an esport is really lame atm | ||
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
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Solai
204 Posts
I am actually a bit surpirsed that SC2 could take over the role of SC:BW so easily for me. Especially when I am considering that I watched basically all BW tournaments in the last 3 years. It was nice watching BW over the last years, but I guess it is time to finally move on. | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
 As a European it's just hard to follow the Korean broodwar stuff live and the foreigners don't seem to be playing it anymore, so is it any wonder that so many people prefer watching SC2? Personally, I just love being there at the start.. seeing how the game evolves, both organically and artificially (through the Blizzard nerfs etc). I don't own a beta key, but seriously people, it's not THAT bad as an e-sport, is it?? Let's just hope that the Korean geniusses stop playing scbw soon, so we can see them take SC2 to the next level (I'm assuming that there is a next level obviously.. I don't see how any of you can know the answer to that question either..) | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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plan3t
Canada75 Posts
Would love to see some MSL/Proleague commentaries. Also, I've really, really been enjoying the Nal_Ra Oldboy series. Everyone needs to check that out. Mega props to the guys who are subbing it! | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
I can't believe it's ~65% SC2 right now. What exactly is enjoyable about watching it? I had fun playing it for about a month of beta, I'll admit, but it's just not anywhere near as interesting to watch at this stage... | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10825 Posts
i honestly cannot fathom why someone would enjoy watching sc2 over the korean leagues. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
/Have not voted yet. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
it takes exceptional games of sc1 to keep me very interested whereas in sc2 just a "good game" keeps me engaged cuz so much of it is new | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
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HollOwed
United States17 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
SC2 will be more fun to watch when zerg isn't so zzz. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
On May 04 2010 05:27 LosingID8 wrote: maybe in the future sc2 will be a good spectator sport, but currently there is no way it can compare to the well established pro scene that bw has. i honestly cannot fathom why someone would enjoy watching sc2 over the korean leagues. You can't comprehend why people would want a preview of the game they've been waiting years for? Really? | ||
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shizi
United States210 Posts
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
But don't get me wrong. I still love the progaming scene of SC. <3 | ||
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Rager
United States5 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13020 Posts
Looks like the newbs have taken over the site | ||
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Turing
United States211 Posts
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 04 2010 06:12 hejakev wrote: You can't comprehend why people would want a preview of the game they've been waiting years for? Really? Is there someone that doesn't have the Beta? Because I can comprehend people playing SC2, but not preferring to watch it over SC1. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On May 04 2010 04:41 Solai wrote: I didn't watcha single SC:BW game since the SC2 Beta was released. There is just too much user generated content for SC2 (Everything day9 SC2 related, glhf.tv, hd, husky, DJwheat, Artosis, Shoutcraft and all the other streams) out there that next to playing the beta I can't even make the time to watch a single SC:BW match. I guess I'll tune in for the MSLOSL finals, but that's about it. I am actually a bit surpirsed that SC2 could take over the role of SC:BW so easily for me. Especially when I am considering that I watched basically all BW tournaments in the last 3 years. It was nice watching BW over the last years, but I guess it is time to finally move on. Same here. As soon as beta started, I preety much stopped watching BW matches and only really intend to watch the MSL/OSL finals. And yeah, I was also suprised how quick the transition was. Ironically, even though I have had beta since the beginning, I have spent a lot more time watching SC2 VOD's then playing SC2.....which is similar to my BW experience. I guess I perfer watching over playing. On May 04 2010 06:19 SkelA wrote: I just cant beleive this . SC2> SC is like 2:1 ratio .... and this is TL Looks like the newbs have taken over the site Generalise more, please. -_- Just beacuse a lot of people love watching SC2 right now does not make them newbs. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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sleepytime
Denmark122 Posts
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hejakev
Sweden518 Posts
Is there someone that doesn't have the Beta? Because I can comprehend people playing SC2, but not preferring to watch it over SC1. I watched nothing but SC2 until I got my beta key. I still watch SC1 daily, but I think the hunt for new strategies in SC2 is a little more interesting than the perfection of old strategies in BW. (Edit: Misquoted) | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11042 Posts
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UbiNax
Denmark381 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:12 cybertopo wrote: MSL because of the Dong This could be misinterpreted in a very graphic way, but yes. | ||
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
I simply watch more SC2 because that is what I play and am interested in. I played SC1 years and years and years ago, but never competitively. Sure I kept up with it in the sense that I knew there was a pro-scene, but I never watched games really, nor do I now. Now that I play SC2, a game that is only in beta and already has a vibrant and growing eSports scene, with many tournaments going on weekly, why should I care about watching Broodwar? A game embroiled in scandal and that will likely, if SC2 does well, fade away anyways as SC2 replaces it. We already have many pro SC1 players, especially "foreign" players, moving over to SC2 in mass. I could care less about watching a game, broodwar, that is already becoming "yesterday's" eSport. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
Sc2 is also booring to play but this isn't about that :p | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:34 DorF wrote: Sc2 is too booring to watch , besides flash is on a roll :D Sc2 is also booring to play but this isn't about that :p To be fair, any game is boring when you only have multiplayer, and broken multiplayer at that. Flash is on a roll though. | ||
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tehguy
United States41 Posts
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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seRapH
United States9719 Posts
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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blasceras
Spain18 Posts
I played sc1 and BW too many years ago in my Pentium 200 MMX. On dial-up here in spain when internet was starting. Years of good lanparties. Great memories !! But now, its 2010 and "Starcraaaft 2 is heeeeere!! (with thors voice!) :D | ||
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hi19hi19
United States163 Posts
SC2 is boring as hell to watch in the first place, plus I don't have a key of my own and still don't know all the units/abilities so it makes less sense to me than SC1. Plus it's slower and just boring and crap bleh Starleagues ftw | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
I hope that is because of SC2's novelty. the day SC2 overcome Broodwar as an e-sport will be a sad sad one.(because SC2 is one of the most boring things to watch) I'm gonna guess that SC2 is this popular because mainly newer TL users that came here for SC2.(a theory that explains why most post are pro-SC:BW yet when I watch poll result... MSL better then OSL since its Dong vs Flash | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p +10 i havent seen 1 single match (complete) | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
I like watching SC2, I don't think it's boring when there's good casters like Day9, or good players who talk strategy as they play like Gretorp. I still prefer watching pro BW though, I think BW is much more interesting to spectators and full of surprises. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
I love watching the OSL / MSL but its more for the players, the game itself of BW is already overshadowed by sc2 (for me!). | ||
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4191 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:10 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: OSL, b/c of ForGG. Then proleague, then msl, and lastly sc2 + Show Spoiler + | ||
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qoiN
Sweden576 Posts
On May 04 2010 09:58 StewKer wrote: I guess since I always hang out in the SC2 section that I miss out on all the SC2 hate on this forum. But man, is it ever coming out of the wood work now, even though the poll numbers basically show an exact opposite to what most everyone is saying in their responses. Well, it's a poll. There's really not much to discuss imo, vote for what you like the most. But the haters of SC2 will obviously try to get as much attention as possible. Right now I enjoy watching SC2 more, simply because I'm playing it and I don't play SC. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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dodgepong
United States50 Posts
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johnlee
United States242 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:40 dodgepong wrote: Can we have moar pretentious SC1 people complaining, plox? The fuck is wrong with you. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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third culture kid
Portugal3 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:25 TheAntZ wrote: 55% sc2 is so, so, so disgusting. On May 03 2010 23:39 billyX333 wrote: wow 60% SC2? who is voting on this thing? On May 04 2010 01:09 alffla wrote: fuuck starcrft2 On May 04 2010 01:09 losso wrote: i hate sc2. On May 04 2010 01:38 LunarDestiny wrote: Saddens me how people like SC2 over broodwar. Next poll should be "What do you hate watching the most right now?" Look at the SC2 hate posts on this thread. Damn lurkers are winning the poll. On May 04 2010 01:42 konadora wrote: fuck SC2 bw 4 life . Saddens me to see this comment thread. Wow, why the hate seriously? why not be happy new people are joining the community for sc2 and that many people who previously had little to no interest in esports enjoy watching it? How does this hurt the progaming scene, if SC:BW is so much better then it will continue to attract its own following. Does the older TL crowd feel so threatened by SC2 that they need to bash it mindlessly just because it wins a poll? Just watch what you enjoy no need to trash the other side. As newcomer to TL I'm a bit taken aback with this comment thread since it contradicts my earlier positive impressions of the community as intelligent, friendly and reasoning. You people are the same as those who trash esports because they prefer basketball or football. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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dodgepong
United States50 Posts
On May 04 2010 10:46 third culture kid wrote: As newcomer to TL I'm a bit taken aback with this comment thread since it contradicts my earlier positive impressions of the community as intelligent, friendly and reasoning. You people are the same as those who trash esports because they prefer basketball or football. On May 04 2010 10:49 Amnesia wrote: ^ Let me guess, you probably haven't played BW? Or barely. I think you are a fantastic example of his point. | ||
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third culture kid
Portugal3 Posts
^ Maybe I have and maybe I haven't, you wanna prove I'm a noob and have no clue what I'm talking about, the more I feel like my point is reinforced. edit: what dogdepong said | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Also I am pretty sure the people you've quoted are people who HAVE played SC2 and came to the same conclusion. | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:25 TheAntZ wrote: 55% sc2 is so, so, so disgusting. On May 03 2010 23:39 billyX333 wrote: wow 60% SC2? who is voting on this thing? On May 04 2010 01:09 alffla wrote: fuuck starcrft2 On May 04 2010 01:09 losso wrote: i hate sc2. On May 04 2010 01:38 LunarDestiny wrote: Saddens me how people like SC2 over broodwar. Next poll should be "What do you hate watching the most right now?" Look at the SC2 hate posts on this thread. Damn lurkers are winning the poll. On May 04 2010 01:42 konadora wrote: fuck SC2 bw 4 life . Saddens me to see this comment thread. Wow, why the hate seriously? why not be happy new people are joining the community for sc2 and that many people who previously had little to no interest in esports enjoy watching it? How does this hurt the progaming scene, if SC:BW is so much better then it will continue to attract its own following. Does the older TL crowd feel so threatened by SC2 that they need to bash it mindlessly just because it wins a poll? Just watch what you enjoy no need to trash the other side. As newcomer to TL I'm a bit taken aback with this comment thread since it contradicts my earlier positive impressions of the community as intelligent, friendly and reasoning. You people are the same as those who trash esports because they prefer basketball or football. You newcomers need to understand that this used to be a site exclusively about Brood War and the older crowd (do not be fooled by my few posts I have been lurking here since long before the Beta was out) here feels invaded by the newcomers. It's like said basket-ball and Football came in and invaded our forums talking about how great their sports are etc.etc. of course we dont like that | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2584 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:00 DarkMatter_ wrote: MSL because of Jaedong and the hopes of a Jaedong vs Flash rematch. This. OSL blows now with movie and zero out : ( | ||
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dodgepong
United States50 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:27 Amnesia wrote: It's not like SC2 is a bad game. I play it but I tend to get bored of it very easily. Also it's just from watching both BW and SC2 that I like BW a lot more than SC2. That's fine, and that is a perfectly acceptable and understandable opinion. It's when someone (not you in particular, but people in general) demeans other people and their preferences and insists his/her opinion is the only legitimate one that causes the flame wars like we're seeing and participating in. Let's all try to be understanding of one another as the community grows and changes with the addition of SC2. This was simply an opinion poll, and no one preference is better than other. | ||
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Ideas
United States8073 Posts
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Ideas
United States8073 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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Trap
United States395 Posts
and the poll makes me throw up in my mouth. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:09 JohnBall wrote: wow, look at so many people who have never watched broodwar. I don't even get why SC2 is on the list, there is nothing to watch about it. Never watched broodwar? I bet many of the newcomers have watched it, but since they never really played it, myself included, they just don't get the same out of it as a BW player does and therefor don't watch as much of it. Same goes for either camp. BW players and the vast majority of this thread's posts, haven't played much and in some cases have NEVER played SC2 (it is only beta and all they get are videos from people that have played for less than a month). They are used to SC:BW and that is what they like to watch. Would be interesting to see, if we could go back in time, if people would be saying the same thing about SC when it first came out like they are about SC2, compared to another established RTS. Probably, knowing the attitude a lot of this thread's posts have had. | ||
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third culture kid
Portugal3 Posts
On May 04 2010 11:23 swanized wrote: You newcomers need to understand that this used to be a site exclusively about Brood War and the older crowd (do not be fooled by my few posts I have been lurking here since long before the Beta was out) here feels invaded by the newcomers. It's like said basket-ball and Football came in and invaded our forums talking about how great their sports are etc.etc. of course we dont like that this is a very understandable point and here is my response: Why not try to gain some new fans? If BW is so much funner to watch than SC2 then what an opportunity for BW to gain even more of a following with the new attention it automatically gets from SC2 being released. This thread did an incredibly poor job at attracting a new SC2 player to checking out the korean BW leagues except for a number of people recommending the MSL, apparently being late to this party means you aren't welcome to it, I can see why there is so much concern for the future of BW progaming. If this is the general attitude of its fans its doomed. | ||
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Beachac
United States278 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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foozoo
United States26 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:37 third culture kid wrote: this is a very understandable point and here is my response: Why not try to gain some new fans? If BW is so much funner to watch than SC2 then what an opportunity for BW to gain even more of a following with the new attention it automatically gets from SC2 being released. This thread did an incredibly poor job at attracting a new SC2 player to checking out the korean BW leagues except for a number of people recommending the MSL, apparently being late to this party means you aren't welcome to it, I can see why there is so much concern for the future of BW progaming. If this is the general attitude of its fans its doomed. They were simply stating that they think watching SC2 sucks/is boring, not that those who watch SC2 suck. I'm not sure why you're taking offense to that general opinion... it's not like they're trying to chase off new users (okay maybe some are). Additionally, if I was some brand new SC2 player who had never watched a BW game in my life, and I read a thread full of "I hate watching SC2, BW is much more fun to watch", it would motivate me to check out a few BW games. For me: MSL>OSL>PL>SC2 | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
Never thought I'd see the day. | ||
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
Watching SC2 is boring simply because there are no screaming Koreans in the background. Screaming Koreans has become like ambient music for me. Sometimes I'll just have the newest proleague match up on youtube in a different firefox tab because excited Korean chattering is so soothing. lol. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Graham
Canada1259 Posts
I enjoy watching all three, though I can watch SC2 streams all the time, where-as only once/twice a day I get to enjoy a few hours of sick SCBW action. That being said, staying up 'till 18:00 KST can be a pain during the week but it's worth it most of the time! | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
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Warpzit
Denmark28 Posts
(including me, sorry) | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:37 third culture kid wrote: this is a very understandable point and here is my response: Why not try to gain some new fans? If BW is so much funner to watch than SC2 then what an opportunity for BW to gain even more of a following with the new attention it automatically gets from SC2 being released. This thread did an incredibly poor job at attracting a new SC2 player to checking out the korean BW leagues except for a number of people recommending the MSL, apparently being late to this party means you aren't welcome to it, I can see why there is so much concern for the future of BW progaming. If this is the general attitude of its fans its doomed. The kind of people that watch sc2 for fun are not the kind that will appreciate BW, or be able to have much fun watching it. Seriously, sc2 is a really fun game to play, but watching it is EXTREMELY boring. You can see a very tiny amount of tricks, but mostly its just BO/strategy oriented and then clash of the armies. There is barely anything to watch. I download all proleague, msl, osl, and sc2 vods i can find, and its not like i dont give watching the game a chance. I do, because i feel like i have to watch anyway to pickup new strategies and such but its as boring as counting thumbs compared to watching a high level BW game. When I watch a BW game, i dont watch it because i feel like i need to to make it easier for me to play BW. I watch because it genuinely keeps me entertained Read this whole quote: On April 16 2010 23:10 Wraith.Jax wrote: What made it amazing imo is how unusual it was. It wasn't your ordinary TvT with mass M&M&M, one player makes a few banshes, the other makes a few tanks. They really used a wide array of strategies, and pretty much everything in the terran arsenal. Actually, they really used every single Terran unit during this game, even a lonely ghost with a nuke (which got spotted, sadly). There was even a sneaky planetary fortress offensive at one point! They also used pretty much the whole ressources on the map, and the ending was just crazy, that solo battlecruiser holding off a bunch of thors while tons of SCVs were repairing. I even thought QXC was going to pull off the craziest come back victory at one point, but his macro was too far behind at that point. There is in fact, so little excitement to be gleaned from watching SC2 matches, that people are actually excited because every unit in the aresenal shows itself in one point or another, and are content to watch amove battles occur all over the map for 50 minutes, seeing as there are in fact a lot of various units being used. This isnt like people who watch football ridiculing people who watch esports, like someone else said, its like people who watch football ridiculing people who watch the grass grow | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9013 Posts
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Sugarman101
Australia20 Posts
'The kind of people that watch BW for fun are not the kind that will appreciate sc2, or be able to have much fun watching it. Seriously, BW is a really fun game to play, but watching it is EXTREMELY boring.' there would be 5 million posts judging them for their bias. Why can't someone enjoy watching both? I do. All of this hate over a simple poll. The fact that a lot of people like watching SC2 is disgusting. Really? As was stated earlier, the fact that the community is growing with the imminent launch of SC2 can only be a good thing. Aren't online communities like this supposed to be about finding and talking with people who have similar interests? Maybe instead of everyone bashing on SC2 and those who enjoy it, you could instead try and attract people to start watching BW and grow the audience? Something along the lines of. Well if you like SC2 you're going to love this! All the bashing on this thread chases away newer members (like myself) that were attracted to a StarCraft community, and reinforces many of the comments that are made about the TL crowd elsewhere on the web. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
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iamho
United States3346 Posts
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Ideas
United States8073 Posts
you really start to miss it if you dont watch BW VODs for a while | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p best | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:56 Sugarman101 wrote: Given the general attitude I see here; If someone had made the broad generalisation: 'The kind of people that watch BW for fun are not the kind that will appreciate sc2, or be able to have much fun watching it. Seriously, BW is a really fun game to play, but watching it is EXTREMELY boring.' there would be 5 million posts judging them for their bias. Why can't someone enjoy watching both? I do. All of this hate over a simple poll. The fact that a lot of people like watching SC2 is disgusting. Really? As was stated earlier, the fact that the community is growing with the imminent launch of SC2 can only be a good thing. Aren't online communities like this supposed to be about finding and talking with people who have similar interests? Maybe instead of everyone bashing on SC2 and those who enjoy it, you could instead try and attract people to start watching BW and grow the audience? Something along the lines of. Well if you like SC2 you're going to love this! All the bashing on this thread chases away newer members (like myself) that were attracted to a StarCraft community, and reinforces many of the comments that are made about the TL crowd elsewhere on the web. Brood War is the greatest and most competitive RTS ever made. You've been a member for three days, but do you recognise this fact? It seems to me that a lot of new members don't. If they did, they certainly wouldn't love watching SC2 more. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
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Sugarman101
Australia20 Posts
On May 04 2010 15:20 J1.au wrote: Brood War is the greatest and most competitive RTS ever made. You've been a member for three days, but do you recognise this fact? It seems to me that a lot of new members don't. If they did, they certainly wouldn't love watching SC2 more. Yes, I recognise how impressive Brood War is. And; as I stated - I really enjoy watching it. What I was taking exception to is the idea that people seem to be expressing is that because they enjoy BW so much, nobody in their right mind could enjoy SC2 more. Does the fact that I've only been a member 3 days mean that I don't know my own preferences? Formula 1 is to many people the most competitive form of motor racing out there. But some people enjoy Indy Car more. Neither is wrong, there are different things to enjoy about each of them. Some people like watching both. Different people have different tastes. That's life. There's no need to get angry about it. | ||
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SecondSandwich
United States319 Posts
OSL>MSL, but phenomenal games from both (sad to see by.baby go, but I love flash as well!) | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
seriously people =[ | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
lol seriously Proleague>MSL>OSL only because Proleague is having some really good and creative sets, and OSL has some weird remainding players. | ||
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Islandsnake
United States679 Posts
Geez some people really seem but-hurt at the results in this thread Just because we are having more fun watching sc2 doesn't mean we hate BW. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 | ||
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Cowazon
Canada58 Posts
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Zeburial
Sweden1126 Posts
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InfernoX
Sweden55 Posts
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araged
Czech Republic189 Posts
BW on the other hand is now pretty much drained (for me), but it is an incredible showcase of skills, so not to shabby either. But the future is set bright and clear, and that is SC2. | ||
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JoepMeloen
Netherlands27 Posts
everyone loves sc2 but it's not what it was supposed to be sc2 = macro sc:bw = mirco+macro | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines525 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p | ||
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nasze_zrodlo
Cape Verde111 Posts
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
On May 04 2010 19:47 nasze_zrodlo wrote: OSL >> MSL >>> PL >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SC2 Exactly, sc2 is really boring imo | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
MSL just has the most interesting matchups right now. Ro16 was pretty decent and Ro8 promises to be nice, too. OSL had just too many mirrors in Ro8, but I am really excited for Ro4. And sc2 is actually quite nice to watch, but only if some micro oriented players that try to be innovative are involved (e.g. DeMuslim, Nony, TLO). Proleague simply doesn't have the charm the others have... Too many games, too little tension. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
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preacha
Norway210 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:16 h3r1n6 wrote: Nal_rA old boy ive gotta agree on-topic. i would say proleague! | ||
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Minified
Singapore20 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 04 2010 20:33 Minified wrote: Is there a "Jaedong" option? Yes that would be MSL, or PL. | ||
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Minified
Singapore20 Posts
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
don't watch SC2 at all | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
Anyways OSL>MSL>PL. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:09 Firien wrote: everything but not starcraft 2 ; p this | ||
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x11tman
Finland50 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
Individual leagues are ok, but unless July is playing it's not really the same for me. ... Of course, I'll be going crazy in the OSL finals if Kal gets there I am a fanboy at heart. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
all those uh interesting ace choices and lovely games like zerg sniper vs mediocre terran (Modesty vs Piano) | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
On May 04 2010 20:04 arbiter_md wrote: Can't believe so many noobs are watching sc2. almost everyone is a noob at sc2, you idiot! that's what you get when a game isn't even out.. I love some of the elitism on this site, but I think it's wonderful that the influx of new players will wash asses like you from the crevaces of this old dungeon. | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
Fuck you to everyone who is hating on the people who voted for SC2. Seriously, I watched almost every korean proscene VOD for almost a year and a half (basically since I got into SCBW). You don't like watching SC2. Fine. You don't find it enjoyable. Fine. But say that others who chose to watch SC2 videos are noobs or somehow destroying the site is fucking idiotic. For the most part, I don't get the same excitement from SC2 as I did from SCBW as I don't feel invested in any of the foreigners. I don't hang on the edge of my seat when Morrow or Idra or CathonLuck gets put behind like I did watching Flash or Sea but I still enjoy SC2 videos. I enjoy SC2 videos for other reasons. I like seeing TLO's crazy strategies or a really well executed FE build order. I enjoy watching SC2 games because it supplements my knowledge of SC2 as a player. I'm not a C or B SCBW player. I was D/D+ on iccup and I've been enjoying SC2 more almost entirely because of the new matchmaking. I actually play good games instead of getting smurfed by 300 APM Koreans like on iccup. There are plenty of reasons to watch SC2 and the implication that anyone who votes for SC2 is a noob or is destroying TL is fucking retarded. tldr: fuck you I enjoy SC2. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
MSL because of Dong. PL to see SKT1 (and getting my heart crushed every time Bisu loses) BISU@!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU??!?!?!?!!?!?!? | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:25 Bisu-Fan wrote: who in teh world is watching starcraft II??? MSL because of Dong. PL to see SKT1 (and getting my heart crushed every time Bisu loses) BISU@!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU??!?!?!?!!?!?!? This my friends is the true meaning of "watching the game". When I hear some of you SC2 nabs say "Idra you broke my heart by losing...", then I'll accept then watching SC2 is fun. Until then, it'll just be "I just picked up a nice strategy I can use...". | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:09 JSH wrote: Proleague :D all those uh interesting ace choices and lovely games like zerg sniper vs mediocre terran (Modesty vs Piano) I'm still so confused as to what actually went on in that game - none of it really made any sense | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
BTW people on both sides of the noobs like SC2 arguement. People are allowed to have opinions. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
I don't know how people are still interested in proleague right now. I've got a strong bias as a CJ fan, but I can't seem to even force myself to watch the PL matches nowadays -_- There's just no hype! | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
SC1 right now is still pretty exciting, especially for CJ. They're on a win streak after a horrible R3/Winner's League and are doing it with old (Iris) and new (Snow) talent. Effort is in the Round of 4 in the OSL and has a shot at making it to the finals like Movie did last season, where he will probably fall to the same person who beat Movie. Regardless, things are looking up for CJ and they're beating some good teams right now. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
MSL good.. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
People are stupid to criticize people for simply preferring something that differs from them; especially when it's the sequel to a game that everyone has been anticipating so long. I for one am just a huge Starcraft fan in general, and love Starcraft in both forms. I think people are getting defensive about this poll because they don't want to make that transition to SC2, and it pains them to see others are; so their response to this is to criticize. Sad really. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Active : 3095 Logged in : 922 Dammit... why do people prefer games in beta over near perfected games. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On May 05 2010 01:08 LunarDestiny wrote: On top left... Active : 3095 Logged in : 922 Dammit... why do people prefer games in beta over near perfected games. Because its easy to catch a simpletons attention using something loud and shiny | ||
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bentnormal
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On May 03 2010 23:14 Scarecrow wrote: OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 same here | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
Transformers 2 was great, watching it in 1080p on my sixty inch plasma with 5.1 surround sound. Huge explosions, amazing effects, and Megan Fox was hot as hell. Made ten times more on its opening day than that stupid Citizen Kane EVER did. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:14 Scarecrow wrote: OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 | ||
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eth3real
Sweden33 Posts
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
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iounas
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
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veoVeo
New Zealand8 Posts
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
Makes me sad that this site is not just about brood war anymore . This place used to be like a safe haven for weirdos who's still in love with a 12 year old game. They should have made a separate sc2 forum imo kind of like liquid.poker. | ||
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acid-burnz77
Romania5 Posts
OSL > MSL > Proleague! SC2 out | ||
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is awesome32269 Posts
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
*granny's voice*seems someone is a little liar here... hahahah I voted SC2 , though played BW never bothered watching it too much , I find sc2 replays so intense IMO it will replace BW in not too much time. | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On May 05 2010 00:33 [ur]Chin wrote: Fan. You use that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. SC1 right now is still pretty exciting, especially for CJ. They're on a win streak after a horrible R3/Winner's League and are doing it with old (Iris) and new (Snow) talent. Effort is in the Round of 4 in the OSL and has a shot at making it to the finals like Movie did last season, where he will probably fall to the same person who beat Movie. Regardless, things are looking up for CJ and they're beating some good teams right now. Yaaaay. I agree. Go Effort!! | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
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VarmVaffel
Norway378 Posts
On May 05 2010 05:02 Roffles wrote: SC2. It's just the new factor. I've watched SC1 and it feels like everything these days is just a repeat of another game that I've seen before. But with SC2, it feels like I'm seeing something new every game. This. | ||
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
hit platinum im done | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
I always considered TL to be a community where everyone came together in celebration of starcraft. But soooo many TL vets are doing their damn well best to divide a great community, this forum, into two camps, SC2 and BW. And are also doing their damn well best to create as much animosity and hate as possible between the two camps. Instead of welcoming newcomers all we hear (according this thread) is hate, condemnation, ridicule, and general nonsense. I do find it somewhat humorous though, which is often the case in situations like this, that most of the "intelligent" and "level-headed" posts belong to the invading camp (SC2 supporters) rather than the defending camp (Broodwar supporters). Ok, I've posted enough in this thread, but I do expect to see more "SC2 is noob", "simpletons watch SC2", "fuck SC2" and additional one line thread responses. Don't disappoint me, broodwar fans. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Proleague is where its at. Actually, SC1 is where its at. 65% for SC2??? Ridiculous. | ||
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
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brokenSC
United States84 Posts
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
Also Starcraft 2's novelty wore off, Broodwar is more entertaining. | ||
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burnout_128
United States12 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
Flash > Pure Effort > Kal (thus making finals even more one-sided) Flash > Effort | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 05 2010 10:19 domane wrote: I'm not sure why OSL got more votes than MSL or PL. It looks predictable: Flash > Pure Effort > Kal (thus making finals even more one-sided) Flash > Effort Because MSL has power outage. We forgive, but never forget. We also can't forget this baby | ||
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Skee
Canada702 Posts
I am glad that there is new people, ffs, obviously a game that is in beta is not going to interest you as much as the game you have been watching and following for years. Accept these new people, you are all acting like children and are not doing anything but dividing the STARCRAFT community. I have only recently signed up on TL and did not want to piss anyone off, but seriously. Grow up. Be happy of new Starcraft fans taking an interest. Edit: I enjoy both. | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
Not SC2 cuz i don't have the game =( Unless it's an epic player matchup with english commentary | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
No sc2 obv. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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spoolinoveryou
United States503 Posts
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ZBusterZ
Peru49 Posts
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nate_river
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brokenSC
United States84 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Medzo
United States627 Posts
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Bop4yH
United States67 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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[AcE]Kenny
Cuba12 Posts
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 05 2010 18:21 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: lol, i didnt realize tl had that many newbs It doesn't. They just lurk this site and vote in polls. | ||
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LordLastDay
34 Posts
What is going on here is that some (but definitely not all!) of the people in love with Starcraft:BW refuse to accept that there are intelligent, normal people who prefer a different game. "Wow this person likes something I definitely don't care for, so there's obviously something terribly wrong with him! Whatever I like is obviously universally a good thing and everybody who thinks otherwise must be crazy!" It's like the console wars. Try making a thread called "I love Xbox!" on Playstation forums or vice-versa and I bet you something funny happens even if you don't say a single mean word. It's also a big excuse for bullies to pick on people at school. "Hey this guy likes something weird, let's beat the crap out of him!" I think most of us grow out of this mindset as we age, so I don't think coin collectors and stamp collectors rage at each other very much, but I could certainly be wrong! Anyway, I like both but I prefer Starcraft 2. I think it's because I personally find the units and abilities more interesting. I love seeing Void Rays snipe buildings, swarms of Phoenixes killing masses of ground units with micro, sneaky Nydus Worms devastating mineral lines at the worst possible moments, well controlled Banelings melting units many times their cost and just all kinds of stuff like that. I even recall a 2vs2 with Vortex + Nuke. The units exited the vortex just as nuke was about to hit the ground. (This is the point where somebody starts foaming at mouth and types me an angry reply showing how SC:BW obviously better and I'm WRONG and mentally retarded by having a personal preference. Moving along!) I must say I certainly prefer the Zergling attack sounds of the original and I somewhat miss lurkers and mines. SC2 could use a little more "locked down" ground, maybe. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On May 05 2010 18:51 LordLastDay wrote: Newsflash: What is going on here is that some (but definitely not all!) of the people in love with Starcraft:BW refuse to accept that there are intelligent, normal people who prefer a different game. "Wow this person likes something I definitely don't care for, so there's obviously something terribly wrong with him! Whatever I like is obviously universally a good thing and everybody who thinks otherwise must be crazy!" It's like the console wars. Try making a thread called "I love Xbox!" on Playstation forums or vice-versa and I bet you something funny happens even if you don't say a single mean word. It's also a big excuse for bullies to pick on people at school. "Hey this guy likes something weird, let's beat the crap out of him!" I think most of us grow out of this mindset as we age, so I don't think coin collectors and stamp collectors rage at each other very much, but I could certainly be wrong! Anyway, I like both but I prefer Starcraft 2. I think it's because I personally find the units and abilities more interesting. I love seeing Void Rays snipe buildings, swarms of Phoenixes killing masses of ground units with micro, sneaky Nydus Worms devastating mineral lines at the worst possible moments, well controlled Banelings melting units many times their cost and just all kinds of stuff like that. I even recall a 2vs2 with Vortex + Nuke. The units exited the vortex just as nuke was about to hit the ground. (This is the point where somebody starts foaming at mouth and types me an angry reply showing how SC:BW obviously better and I'm WRONG and mentally retarded by having a personal preference. Moving along!) I must say I certainly prefer the Zergling attack sounds of the original and I somewhat miss lurkers and mines. SC2 could use a little more "locked down" ground, maybe. no, Its just not very fun to watch people play a game they aren't very good at...progamers in BW pull off insane plays and tactics, this is whats fun to watch. Sc2 is good for novelty and I'm sure will be much more entertaining when it gets big, but right now the skill level is too low to be really spectacular. | ||
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TerranUp16
United States88 Posts
But really I enjoy OSL and MSL just as much as Proleague. Both rank far higher on my list than StarCraft 2 atm as current Brood War is more entertaining by a fair bit. I'm not going to speculate on why that is or if it will stay that way, but for now it simply is. | ||
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legendin
United States10 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:04 legendin wrote: A lot of people are just nostalgic and stuck in the past. They'll come around, eventually. I played and watched SC1 for 12 years. Not much surprises me anymore. The evolution of the strategy, tactics, and the skills of the pro players are predictable. I may not be even close to their match, but they are too boring to watch for anyone with half a brain for strategy games. i call BS on this... the game is still evolving, every season when new maps are released the metagame changes significantly and you have a new broodwar, some newbie players come up with some crazy strats and then soon afterwards someone has already a good counter to that... so it looks like you dont even have that half of a brain... what i find disgusting though is how many ppl put OSL/MSL over PL :D i think i dont like watching OSL/MSL that much if you have 1 or 2 players you root for then you have a good chance your favourites will get kicked out of the tourney and immediately the tournament becomes less attractive, in PL there's always the next game... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
The fact MBC is starting to pull it's weight makes it very enjoyable. MSL because Flash vs. the Dong Part II is still possible. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:04 legendin wrote: A lot of people are just nostalgic and stuck in the past. They'll come around, eventually. I played and watched SC1 for 12 years. Not much surprises me anymore. The evolution of the strategy, tactics, and the skills of the pro players are predictable. I may not be even close to their match, but they are too boring to watch for anyone with half a brain for strategy games. Played SC for 12 years and joined TL this year? Yeah right. You are obviously totally unfamiliar with the Korean pro scene. Please refrain from posting about it. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:22 J1.au wrote: Played SC for 12 years and joined TL this year? Yeah right. You are obviously totally unfamiliar with the Korean pro scene. Please refrain from posting about it. you said it! and what about being "just nostalgic and stuck in the past"... sc:bw is not past. it has the most active and vibrant community, with a competitive scene that makes sc2 look like a joke... and sc2 for now is only some promised future and as for now a future that doesnt look too bright... time will show however. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On May 05 2010 18:55 sob3k wrote: no, Its just not very fun to watch people play a game they aren't very good at...progamers in BW pull off insane plays and tactics, this is whats fun to watch. Sc2 is good for novelty and I'm sure will be much more entertaining when it gets big, but right now the skill level is too low to be really spectacular. This is exactly the reason. I watch OSL/MSL/Proleague so much because the top Korean players give their A-game every night. SC2: It's fun to watch sometimes, but for some reason to me it seems dumbed down compared to BW. Also the game is still in BETA mode. Right now the top Starcraft players in the world are still playing in Brood War. Until my homie Flash converts to Terran in SC2... I'll probably forever be a BW fan. | ||
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5091 Posts
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mvp.djo
Germany1 Post
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I'm watching sc2 reps like nobody's business. And I love seeing what good players are doing with the game so far. Haven't touched bw since the beta came out :D | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
Sc2 is new and that is why you shouldn't bash it, people with will power to learn the game will eventually have just as much potention. To all the close minded fanboys, grow up. You can bash every game that is new and walk with the SC BW was the best game ever slogan on your head. It just shows how easy people think about things, the game will progress and once everyone knows what they are doing the game will be just as fun to watch. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On May 05 2010 22:04 legendin wrote: A lot of people are just nostalgic and stuck in the past. They'll come around, eventually. I played and watched SC1 for 12 years. Not much surprises me anymore. The evolution of the strategy, tactics, and the skills of the pro players are predictable. I may not be even close to their match, but they are too boring to watch for anyone with half a brain for strategy games. This isn't a choice between watching random SC1 streamers (if there are any anymore) and SC2 streams, it's actual Starcraft 1 leagues complete with players and teams who you've become familiar with after so many years of Starcraft progaming, and that you can cheer for like football fans cheer for their favourite club. And I voted MSL because of Jaedong. | ||
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
On May 06 2010 00:42 norlock wrote: Well oh i hate it when you come to website's like this and people want to show off there eletism. Just like when you talk about cycling, metal ore anything. THere will always be this annoying group with, old is better. You new guys don't know how cool it was then. But face it after 2 years is sc bw a legendary game, but sc2 is the new thing. So don't be so euh i only like oldschool because that is what makes me look cool. Sc2 is not that thrilling but if you can enjoy the upcoming strats and the refreshing play, sc2 is cool. Sc2 is new and that is why you shouldn't bash it, people with will power to learn the game will eventually have just as much potention. To all the close minded fanboys, grow up. You can bash every game that is new and walk with the SC BW was the best game ever slogan on your head. It just shows how easy people think about things, the game will progress and once everyone knows what they are doing the game will be just as fun to watch. if anything your post is more assumption than theirs. You assume constantly that they are clinging to the old game, but a lot people contrasting your opinion are speaking against have some reason why they don't like SC2 as much. Also the just as fun to watch thing is pretty subjective, and people have their own opinions, whether you like it or not. If people prefer SC1 deal with it, don't act like them being supposedly "close minded fanboys", but in reality you're saying if they don't like SC2 and prefer SC1 they're clingy and elitest. | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
On May 06 2010 01:02 Zeridian wrote: if anything your post is more assumption than theirs. You assume constantly that they are clinging to the old game, but a lot people contrasting your opinion are speaking against have some reason why they don't like SC2 as much. Also the just as fun to watch thing is pretty subjective, and people have their own opinions, whether you like it or not. If people prefer SC1 deal with it, don't act like them being supposedly "close minded fanboys", but in reality you're saying if they don't like SC2 and prefer SC1 they're clingy and elitest. No people write literally on the forum: "everyone who chooses sc2 fails". That has nothing to do with a subjective meaning that i don't understand. There is a difference with saying: "i like scbw better because of the high level of play" ore "i like scbw everyone else knows surely not enough to choose between the two options". And that sir is close minded, and you make an assumption that i am flaming everyone who doesn't choose sc2, but that is a change of my words. And saying to people who say "this fails" that they fail is not allowed. Because it shows that i don't respect there opinion. Well the matter of fact is, i don't respect trashtalk hidden behind the slogan "my opinion" | ||
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United States1401 Posts
HOWEVER -- Proleague Tournament/FINALS > all. That's by far the most exciting starcraft experience imo... | ||
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RushWifDietCoke
United States488 Posts
 . I feel like we're being overrun. I'll be honest i'm looking forward to the MSL most only because a possibility of Jaedong vs Flash. OSL is a very close 2nd and proleague is a very close 3rd. I liked the all kill format last season better so thats why its pushed all the way to 3rd. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
But I'm actually looking much forward to Nal_rA old boy! It's just amazingly entertaining and about the best game ever, BW. I'm having such a hard time picking a game. BW is still, undoubtably, the best game ever made, and I don't think sc2 will ever top it, but because of the masses of new gamers in the starcraft universe sc2 will automatically grow bigger, which makes it the future of competetive rts gaming. Because of this "identity crysis", I'm not really watching any of the poll options as of now. :S | ||
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AyJay
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
(1) Negative surprise at the discrepancy between poll results and poll thread sentiments. (2) A mix of humor and irritation directed towards people who mostly voted without posting their views. (3) A mix of justified retaliation and overreaction from said people (not yet aware that strong language like " f*** " is thrown about like dust on TL and have less emotional intentions) (4) Attempts by several individuals to be above the conflict. They choose to end their messages with more baiting. | ||
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Kezzer
United States1268 Posts
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[AcE]Kenny
Cuba12 Posts
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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
(myself included )and maybe watch some BW while you're at it | ||
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Sansucal
Germany259 Posts
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endaskus
United States5 Posts
I would also like to point out that I have played quite a bit of BW, and I simply find SC2 to be much more enjoyable. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On May 06 2010 05:41 endaskus wrote: All the people hating on SC2... I would like to point out that the other leagues have... no... english... commentary... ffs. SC2 also has a lot more awesome features that can be used for commentators: APM, income, army, units lost, etc. I've watched a few MSL (or OSL, whichever) games, just watched jd vs midas last night, and I don't see what makes BW so much more exciting to watch than starcraft; they seem like very similar games to me. Newer, better looking graphics never hurt either... mmm 1080P. I would also like to point out that I have played quite a bit of BW, and I simply find SC2 to be much more enjoyable. Being Korean is good huh xD I really do enjoy the Korean commentators though I suppose it would be different if I don't understand the commentators, but sometimes on streams, there are translators who are generous enough to translate what they are saying in livestream chat I am really surprised they are willing to do that Very kind people (Lyriene, Abacus, among others thanks~) But it is just like others have said, proleague fans have "grown up" watching these players and teams. They are cheering for their favorite player or team, Hoping for they FPL to rake in some points They are anxiously waiting the ace player choice and the monumental game that will ensue There are rivalries that extend like OSU vs Michigan (although not so much now kind of dated but go back 8 years or so) Monsters and Tyrants who are destroying (Flash, Jaedong) Dominating players that have been struggling (Savior, Bisu) Legends of past that are trying to make magic (Nada, Nal_rA) All these culminate in the eSports BW scene not saying SC2 is not a fun game to watch, but SC2 does not have this yet but in the future might come | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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iamho
United States3346 Posts
On May 06 2010 05:41 endaskus wrote: All the people hating on SC2... I would like to point out that the other leagues have... no... english... commentary... ffs. SC2 also has a lot more awesome features that can be used for commentators: APM, income, army, units lost, etc. I've watched a few MSL (or OSL, whichever) games, just watched jd vs midas last night, and I don't see what makes BW so much more exciting to watch than starcraft; they seem like very similar games to me. Newer, better looking graphics never hurt either... mmm 1080P. I would also like to point out that I have played quite a bit of BW, and I simply find SC2 to be much more enjoyable. ugh did you seriously say that sc2 is as good as jaedong vs midas | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:07 buhhy wrote: Whoa o__O, I didn't know TL had so many active members... 5700 No man, 4071 are active, 1235 are member and others are lurkers. Maybe I am reading it wrong. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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ZzortrozZ
United States9 Posts
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endaskus
United States5 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:01 iamho wrote: ugh did you seriously say that sc2 is as good as jaedong vs midas If I could understand the commentators, jd vs midas might be better, but as it stands I think a good game of similarly skilled sc2 players is pretty much just as good or better, yeah. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:34 endaskus wrote: If I could understand the commentators, jd vs midas might be better, but as it stands I think a good game of similarly skilled sc2 players is pretty much just as good or better, yeah. No way. For example, Idra is pretty much the top 5 in SC2, but he is pretty much the worst progamer in the Korean pro scene. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
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dinoman1989
United States15 Posts
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blazinggpassion
United States27 Posts
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ff7legend
United States213 Posts
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brokenSC
United States84 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:34 endaskus wrote: If I could understand the commentators, jd vs midas might be better, but as it stands I think a good game of similarly skilled sc2 players is pretty much just as good or better, yeah. Well I've been watching the HDH tournament and 80% of the games were boring macro fests. The rest were protoss rushes. I don't really enjoy watching idra mass roaches then hitting 1a and the games over. I only remember one interesting game where nony use phoenixes even then i was crying IMBA. I don't know how zerg can deal with that without scourge -.- | ||
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Lebesgue
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:34 endaskus wrote: If I could understand the commentators, jd vs midas might be better, but as it stands I think a good game of similarly skilled sc2 players is pretty much just as good or better, yeah. You'll learn more about the game just observing, anyway. You'll eventually start to make your own reads into the game, and simply enjoy the commentary for it's best aspect - the excitement factor! I mean, that's what separates the games really. Where's the excitement in your average SC2 game or cast? Day9 tries his hardest, but it's nowhere near the same. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
This is why SC2 has long ways to go. Have we ever seen epic matches like that? I think not. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On May 03 2010 23:14 Scarecrow wrote: OSL > MSL > PL > SC2 this! | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
anyhow, most of the arguments for sc2 are pretty bad. you're saying that sc2 newer and such, and most of the people arguing for bw already stated this. if you're going to argue about something, at least bring up a valid point. and no, "preference" isn't a valid point, it's just preference. and to all the vets saying newbies are raping TL forums, there are quite a bit of new TLers that still love BW, so stop generalizing. on topic: PL > MSL/OSL > SC2 MSL/OSL is just a cluster of gamers waiting to be raped by jaedong/flash at this point, with a few surprises (effort reverse all kill flash, baby knocking JD out, etc.) | ||
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