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On January 24 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Jaedong should be nr2.
Its really hard taking both titles. Flash almost did it, and had it not been for him playing 1000 games vs zergs recently and jaedongs ability to find weaknesses to his play he might have done it.
Game 1 and 4 wasn't really showing any skill from either player and that sadens me abit.
One thing about flash though it didn't seem as he had prepared anything risky/special in the series except for the bunkerrush in game 4 which he had done twice on that map already the last two games. Flash didn't play his normal abusive play and he was punnished for that since jaedong took every advantage he could by doing risky things such as no dronescout and 3hatch before pool etc.
I felt almost as flash didn't prepare for this finals and thats really wierd, coz im sure he did.
A predicting commentator said: Flash can throw anything at jaedong and he must try to beat it. But flash didn't throw anything at jaedong. It was jaedong who did these builds where flash had to adapt.
With that said, 1 gold + 1 silver when jaedong vs flash is 3-3 in recent games + the fact that flash has broken records left and right and peaked over 2400 elo is surely enough to give flash the first spot. but PR has been hard on flash before, i hope this time its not coz he deseves it.
Flash is not the only one whos been breaking records left and right. Thats why I said the fairest solution would be to award #1 to both players. They showed us this month that both of them are completely on another level than all others. Not even Stork or Bisu are close to them skill-wise.
I also kinda feel that Taek Bang Lee Ssang will soon change into Lee Ssang. Stork and Bisu's peaks are over, Jaedong's might be ending soon too and with SC2 close I pity Flash since he will most likely not have his chance to prove that he could have been the GOTA because he had to face Jaedong during his peak.
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Jaedongs play was shadowed by flash's. Theres a reason to it. The fact that jaedong beat flash tossed it around abit but not enough since last time flash won 2-0 with ease.
If it was the other way around it would have been jaedong everyone talked about and predicting to win both finals.
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On January 24 2010 22:51 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Jaedong should be nr2.
Its really hard taking both titles. Flash almost did it, and had it not been for him playing 1000 games vs zergs recently and jaedongs ability to find weaknesses to his play he might have done it.
Game 1 and 4 wasn't really showing any skill from either player and that sadens me abit.
One thing about flash though it didn't seem as he had prepared anything risky/special in the series except for the bunkerrush in game 4 which he had done twice on that map already the last two games. Flash didn't play his normal abusive play and he was punnished for that since jaedong took every advantage he could by doing risky things such as no dronescout and 3hatch before pool etc.
I felt almost as flash didn't prepare for this finals and thats really wierd, coz im sure he did.
A predicting commentator said: Flash can throw anything at jaedong and he must try to beat it. But flash didn't throw anything at jaedong. It was jaedong who did these builds where flash had to adapt.
With that said, 1 gold + 1 silver when jaedong vs flash is 3-3 in recent games + the fact that flash has broken records left and right and peaked over 2400 elo is surely enough to give flash the first spot. but PR has been hard on flash before, i hope this time its not coz he deseves it. Flash is not the only one whos been breaking records left and right. Thats why I said the fairest solution would be to award #1 to both players. They showed us this month that both of them are completely on another level than all others. Not even Stork or Bisu are close to them skill-wise. I also kinda feel that Taek Bang Lee Ssang will soon change into Lee Ssang. Stork and Bisu's peaks are over, Jaedong's might be ending soon too and with SC2 close I pity Flash since he will most likely not have his chance to prove that he could have been the GOTA because he had to face Jaedong during his peak.
I doubt there is anyone who would argue that flash is GOAT skillwise...
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On January 24 2010 22:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Jaedong should be nr2.
Its really hard taking both titles. Flash almost did it, and had it not been for him playing 1000 games vs zergs recently and jaedongs ability to find weaknesses to his play he might have done it.
Game 1 and 4 wasn't really showing any skill from either player and that sadens me abit.
One thing about flash though it didn't seem as he had prepared anything risky/special in the series except for the bunkerrush in game 4 which he had done twice on that map already the last two games. Flash didn't play his normal abusive play and he was punnished for that since jaedong took every advantage he could by doing risky things such as no dronescout and 3hatch before pool etc.
I felt almost as flash didn't prepare for this finals and thats really wierd, coz im sure he did.
A predicting commentator said: Flash can throw anything at jaedong and he must try to beat it. But flash didn't throw anything at jaedong. It was jaedong who did these builds where flash had to adapt.
With that said, 1 gold + 1 silver when jaedong vs flash is 3-3 in recent games + the fact that flash has broken records left and right and peaked over 2400 elo is surely enough to give flash the first spot. but PR has been hard on flash before, i hope this time its not coz he deseves it.
I agree JD should be #2, but what`s with the: "game 1 wasn`t really showing any skill from either player". Ok I agree with game 4, but c`mon, that was the first game of the series, no excuse for that.
In game 1 JD's mutalisks were pretty cool if u ask me. And it was Flash's mistake to not defend well, and that is a minus to him, not a nonsense.
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What i mean is the game was too short and ended because of one obvious mistake.
The mutamicro in the beginning wasn't even that awesome as he lost 2 of his firwst mutas right away.
The game was kind of a fluke. Flash either forgot to put turrets up in main, or he was just 1 second too slow to bring down his units there and it ended.
simply put: It was not a game where we can sit back and watch the awesomeness of the players.
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We still have Hwaseung vs. KT in Winner's League to determine the issue of #1. If you ask yourself, who has been playing best in January, that's probably Flash. If you think about who is the strongest player right now, it would have to be Jaedong.
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On January 25 2010 01:39 StylishVODs wrote:
What i mean is the game was too short and ended because of one obvious mistake.
The mutamicro in the beginning wasn't even that awesome as he lost 2 of his firwst mutas right away.
The game was kind of a fluke. Flash either forgot to put turrets up in main, or he was just 1 second too slow to bring down his units there and it ended.
simply put: It was not a game where we can sit back and watch the awesomeness of the players.
It was Flash's decision to keep powering SCVs and to skimp on turrets at his main. He gambled he could fend off mutas before range finished and Jaedong made him pay for it, and that's hardly the first time it's happened to him.
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On January 25 2010 01:42 Aesop wrote:
We still have Hwaseung vs. KT in Winner's League to determine the issue of #1. If you ask yourself, who has been playing best in January, that's probably Flash. If you think about who is the strongest player right now, it would have to be Jaedong.
Why, because he is 3:3 against flash in last 6 games?
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On January 25 2010 01:49 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 01:42 Aesop wrote:
We still have Hwaseung vs. KT in Winner's League to determine the issue of #1. If you ask yourself, who has been playing best in January, that's probably Flash. If you think about who is the strongest player right now, it would have to be Jaedong. Why, because he is 3:3 against flash in last 6 games?
he said "now".
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On January 25 2010 01:48 EvoChamber wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 01:39 StylishVODs wrote:
What i mean is the game was too short and ended because of one obvious mistake.
The mutamicro in the beginning wasn't even that awesome as he lost 2 of his firwst mutas right away.
The game was kind of a fluke. Flash either forgot to put turrets up in main, or he was just 1 second too slow to bring down his units there and it ended.
simply put: It was not a game where we can sit back and watch the awesomeness of the players. It was Flash's decision to keep powering SCVs and to skimp on turrets at his main. He gambled he could fend off mutas before range finished and Jaedong made him pay for it, and that's hardly the first time it's happened to him.
yeah i know the reason why he lost.
the point was game 1 and 4 wasn't games that showed any extraordinary play or great skill.
However i think it was either that he made a factory that decided he didnt have a turret there, or he put a turret there but the scv returned without building it due to low minerals or something like that.
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On January 25 2010 01:56 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 01:48 EvoChamber wrote:On January 25 2010 01:39 StylishVODs wrote:
What i mean is the game was too short and ended because of one obvious mistake.
The mutamicro in the beginning wasn't even that awesome as he lost 2 of his firwst mutas right away.
The game was kind of a fluke. Flash either forgot to put turrets up in main, or he was just 1 second too slow to bring down his units there and it ended.
simply put: It was not a game where we can sit back and watch the awesomeness of the players. It was Flash's decision to keep powering SCVs and to skimp on turrets at his main. He gambled he could fend off mutas before range finished and Jaedong made him pay for it, and that's hardly the first time it's happened to him. yeah i know the reason why he lost. the point was game 1 and 4 wasn't games that showed any extraordinary play or great skill. However i think it was either that he made a factory that decided he didnt have a turret there, or he put a turret there but the scv returned without building it due to low minerals or something like that.
or he forgot about it. Anyway, no point in arguing that. He lost that game from his own mistakes.
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Flash and jeadong are really close skillwise atm. The way I see it flash has a gold and a silver, jd has a gold beating flash 2-1 on terran maps in the msl (game 4 is not a game you count for anything).
Flash beaten jeadong 2-0 in the osl and made it further both leauges so I would say flash is still #1 by a small margin but both #1 and #2 are so far ahead of anyone else atm.
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Except that the 2-0 was last month and does not necessarily (in fact it doesn't at all) impact this Power Ranking at all. Look at the very last series and not the OSL RO8 because that's kind of irrelevant after what happened two nights ago.
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On January 25 2010 03:42 LucasWoJ wrote:
Except that the 2-0 was last month and does not necessarily (in fact it doesn't at all) impact this Power Ranking at all. Look at the very last series and not the OSL RO8 because that's kind of irrelevant after what happened two nights ago.
Power Rank has never just been about one month. It's about players and how they're playing. The OSL 2-0 is relevant because it's indicative of what Flash is capable of at the moment. It's very different that JD is 3-3 against Flash lately instead of 3-1, because it's applicable to understanding how they're playing right now.
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Don't you think the results of the MSL, which are more recent, would demonstrate what Flash is capable against the best Zerg player in the world than the one-month old OSL results?
What he's capable of at the moment? Let's look at the games from the MSL two nights ago. Flash loses 1-3. He's outsmarted in the fourth game (and his play is subpar because of the controversy). He plays brilliantly in the second game against a build tailored to stop him. He plays very well in game 3, but not as well as we're used to seeing him play. Jaedong plays better. Flash also makes a mistake in game 1. This should not be disregarded because he loses the series. Flash in December (meaning the guy last month) might have placed more turrets instead of teching, yet he does in January. Have you considered that perhaps he's worse than he was in December (if ever so slightly), and that's why the December games are irrelevant? 
Also, if we're looking past precedent, look at the August Power Ranking. Jaedong is number 1, despite losing (in curshing fashion) to fantasy twice in perhaps the most important "league." They were both 3-3 against each other in that month, and yet, the most recent results decided where they ended up on the Power Ranking.
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On January 25 2010 01:42 Aesop wrote:
We still have Hwaseung vs. KT in Winner's League to determine the issue of #1. If you ask yourself, who has been playing best in January, that's probably Flash. If you think about who is the strongest player right now, it would have to be Jaedong.
and I completely disagree...
That doesn't come as much of a surprise. I would still say that Flash and Jaedong are a 50:50 right now.
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savior stayed at #1 after Bisu 3-0ed him.
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Different circumstances. completely.
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On January 25 2010 05:03 jalstar wrote:
savior stayed at #1 after Bisu 3-0ed him.
Are you comparing Bisu 3-0ing savior with Jaedong 3-1ing Flash? o.O
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The main argument for keeping Flash at #1 is, well, gold + silver > gold, his proleague excellence, and he did it all with a definitively worse schedule.
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