EPTI wonder how many more times does JD have to prove himself?
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
I wonder how many more times does JD have to prove himself? | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On January 24 2010 10:07 SuperArc wrote: To think before the finals most people apart from the die hard JD fans thought that Flash will win 3-1 with Jaedong cheesing the one win or Flash fail cheesing. I wonder how many more times does JD have to prove himself? It's his 2nd time already. There were two things I felt when I was watching the series live on TV. First, JD truly is the King of Bo5. He is so fucking clutch and can pull some crazy ass shit that'll just make your jaws drop. Second, Flash proved to be a human just like JD. Flash had the pressure of dual leagues + proleague (minus 1 proleague game). But I don't think that compares to being in dual leagues + grand final proleague especially when both semis were only 1 day apart. At any rate, they're both humans. Anyways, gratz to JD. Well-deserved win and title and with this, he cemented himself as one of the greatest ZvTer and Player of all time especially the fact that the series played on T heavily favored maps.  | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 24 2010 09:32 LucasWoJ wrote: Remember that that was last month though. I'm referring specifically to this month, and Jaedong's zvp (against any toss), to me at least, seems like a more of a sure bet than any of Flash's matchups. You do realize Flash's loss against Really (which was played between 2 of Flash's Bo5's) was his first TvT loss since May last year? JD sort of took a big lead in the race for GOAT by getting another gold (5 vs 2 instead of 4 vs 3), but we must not forget that Flash's overall dominance this season has been the most epic in the history of SC. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 24 2010 09:32 LucasWoJ wrote: Remember that that was last month though. I'm referring specifically to this month, and Jaedong's zvp (against any toss), to me at least, seems like a more of a sure bet than any of Flash's matchups. 22 wins in a row. Unbeaten for 8 months. There's never been a matchup better than Flash's TvT. :> | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On January 24 2010 15:47 Hinanawi wrote: You know there's KT vs Oz Winner's League before the end of the month, right? That could easily swing #1/#2 around depending on what happens. If you ask me, I say JD #1 and Flash #2 because of the Finals and overall performance of the month + win loss ratio. However, on an unbiased point of view, I truly believe they both deserve the #1 spot. Can't the moderator, whoever updates the next PR, just make 2 #1 slots and give both JD and Flash the spot? Lol.. they both are champions after all! (but like Hinanawi said, this could all change on WL) | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2238 Posts
On January 24 2010 16:26 Dice wrote: If you ask me, I say JD #1 and Flash #2 because of the Finals and overall performance of the month + win loss ratio. However, on an unbiased point of view, I truly believe they both deserve the #1 spot. Can't the moderator, whoever updates the next PR, just make 2 #1 slots and give both JD and Flash the spot? Lol.. they both are champions after all! (but like Hinanawi said, this could all change on WL) So you say 1 gold> 1 gold +1 silver? no way can jaedong be nr. 1. Flash beat him in OSL, JD beat flash in MSL, but flash did well in BOTH leagues, Jaedong only in one. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 24 2010 18:37 johanes wrote: So you say 1 gold> 1 gold +1 silver? no way can jaedong be nr. 1. Flash beat him in OSL, JD beat flash in MSL, but flash did well in BOTH leagues, Jaedong only in one. That's due to brackets only And last time I checked the PR gave more weight to the current month in play, where Jaedong came on top. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On January 24 2010 18:56 samachking wrote: That's due to brackets only And last time I checked the PR gave more weight to the current month in play, where Jaedong came on top. Also to box sets, which a split best of three is not. A head-to-head Bo5 is the gold standard of comparative skill. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 24 2010 18:56 samachking wrote: That's due to brackets only And last time I checked the PR gave more weight to the current month in play, where Jaedong came on top. You have to take into consideration that Flash was in both leagues and won the OSL despite losing to Jaedong losing in the MSL. Flash had a stellar month, he still deserves the #1 spot. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 24 2010 16:26 Dice wrote: If you ask me, I say JD #1 and Flash #2 because of the Finals and overall performance of the month + win loss ratio. However, on an unbiased point of view, I truly believe they both deserve the #1 spot. Can't the moderator, whoever updates the next PR, just make 2 #1 slots and give both JD and Flash the spot? Lol.. they both are champions after all! (but like Hinanawi said, this could all change on WL) Flash had such a remarkable season and a very good month, he's still #1. Also Flash had to prepare in both the OSL and MSL while Jaedong only had to prepare for one SL. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 24 2010 19:15 FireGuyX wrote: Flash had such a remarkable season and a very good month, he's still #1. Also Flash had to prepare in both the OSL and MSL while Jaedong only had to prepare for one SL. Flash had 6 days for the finals versus JDs 7 days + he had 2 boX vZ he had to prepare for ahead of finals time (vKwanro + Zero), JD only played 3 games vT on the final maps and all 3 games were on the same day. Both players had great months, but JD won the series that mattered the most, thats why JD was also "no3" this month even though he went 14-3. Also you might want to check JD's stats this season, they are just as remarkable with the exception of his ZvZ. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
edit ^^^^ No they aren't. Jaedong's at 76% winrate, Flash is at 81%. Flash was a solid 5% better than Jaedong. If you want to split hairs, in recent times, Jaedong and Flash have gone 3:3, continuing their historic precedence of Flash wins Bo3s Jaedong wins Bo5s. Jaedong says Flash is better, Flash says Jaedong is better. The only legitimate metric we have is performance and, well, Flash has the higher winrate, they both have a gold medal, Flash has a silver medal, Flash has destroyed proleague harder than anyone ever has before etc etc. Flash is still ahead, Jaedong just proved he isn't invincible. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 24 2010 21:04 InFdude wrote: Again with the 4th game shit . Flash went barracks first and JD had a 9 pool .Wake up ppl . And when it was obvious it wouldn't work, he didn't expand but went with some really half assed sparks terran rush that you'd likely see from the scrubs that play in the Elite High School League, not the best terran in the world. Whether or not you think the 4th game means anything, it doesn't matter. Its obvious that Flash didn't give a shit after one hour of unprofessional, emotional bullshit and probably wanted to go back to the KT house and relax. Good grief, this is the kid that only around 5 months ago said that he misses his mum and dad. People seem to forget that Flash isn't even 18 yet. People keep thinking Flash is some machine or some robot. He isn't. He's a bloody child and what do you think a child would do in a such a situation when your dad is possibly embarrassing himself infront of essentially what is the media, your coach is going nuts, you're already two sets down, and you have to endure all of this rubbish for a whole hour? | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 24 2010 03:04 samachking wrote: Jaedong stats since November 80.56% winrate. 2 of them are ZvZs Ive watched, one he lost due to a bo loss, the other he lost to simply building one pair less of lings vs a all ining opponent. JD has lost 3 ZvZs, 3 games vs Flash who he returned the favor to by taking 3 games back in the finals in this season, and a loss due to going 9pool then being greedy vs Sea. I realize that half of the people here are completely blinded by the flashing wins of our favorite terran to realize that JD has been racking up the wins and breaking records. The most dominant SL run up to date, with one hell of a imbalanced map pool vZ and becoming the best ZvPer to ever play the game with a 16 winstreak( which doesnt include raping TaekBang in WCG, the games vs Stork were close, but he simply raped Bisu) You make a good point here. JD HAS been breaking a few records of his own lately. 10 months at #1 on KESPA, breaking Savior's streak, going 14-0 in ZvP bringing down the best PvZers in series, and surpassing the highest ZvP ELO, and going on the most dominant "starleague" run ever, with 11 straight wins, and an overall winning percentage of 92.8%. But if anything, that JD's feats haven't even been noticed just goes to show just how strong flash has been in these past three months. Flash has shown bonjwa-like dominace. 22 TvT wins over 8 months, reaching 70% in all matchups, reaching a stratospheric ELO peak (Not to mention breaking 2400 three times) and winning the OSL while making it to MSL finals simultaneously. Not only that but the way in which he beats his opponents is something else... Especially in his TvZ he beats his opponents with an air of supreme dominance. All zergs (Except for one mighty one) have looked utterly, helpless against him. Flash overwhelms and outplays them in every single way imaginable and he does it effortlessly. However, with JD's recent showing, I'd say he's somehow clawed and cursed his way to flash's level (I imagine to "The Eye of the Tiger"), and is only an eye lash away from flash now. Flash remains in his throne, but looks uneasy as he glances at JD standing before him. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Neither progamers nor foreigners ever gave Jaedong a real chance to win without cheesing. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Its really hard taking both titles. Flash almost did it, and had it not been for him playing 1000 games vs zergs recently and jaedongs ability to find weaknesses to his play he might have done it. Game 1 and 4 wasn't really showing any skill from either player and that sadens me abit. One thing about flash though it didn't seem as he had prepared anything risky/special in the series except for the bunkerrush in game 4 which he had done twice on that map already the last two games. Flash didn't play his normal abusive play and he was punnished for that since jaedong took every advantage he could by doing risky things such as no dronescout and 3hatch before pool etc. I felt almost as flash didn't prepare for this finals and thats really wierd, coz im sure he did. A predicting commentator said: Flash can throw anything at jaedong and he must try to beat it. But flash didn't throw anything at jaedong. It was jaedong who did these builds where flash had to adapt. With that said, 1 gold + 1 silver when jaedong vs flash is 3-3 in recent games + the fact that flash has broken records left and right and peaked over 2400 elo is surely enough to give flash the first spot. but PR has been hard on flash before, i hope this time its not coz he deseves it. | ||
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