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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
March 30 2009 16:12 GMT
#1281
Interesting series, NonY could have played better at some critical moments specially in the last game, while F91 showed consistent performance that allows him to seize NonY's slumps.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 30 2009 16:36 GMT
#1282
Hmm... how come the replays aren't being released anymore? I thought it was just a special case because of Idra, but how come even these replays won't be released? It really decreases the educational value of these events. =/ Luckily Sean's commentary partially makes up for it.
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CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
March 30 2009 17:43 GMT
#1283
Good job F91, so freaking consistent.
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TheAZNChineseTiger
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada92 Posts
March 30 2009 18:05 GMT
#1284
they'll have trouble finding a good opponent
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berkguyyy
Profile Joined June 2008
United States151 Posts
March 30 2009 19:08 GMT
#1285
Personally I find F91s games far more entertaining and at a bit higher level than I've seen in other Liquidbition. I think best choice to take F91 out would be a zerg but that's really going to be a snorefest and that's not really the point of Liquidbition. Maybe in the next Liquidbition (who knows when) they could bring back Idra given his recent performance. Now that'd definitely generate some hype.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 30 2009 20:54 GMT
#1286
With Regards to Replays

The reason we don't release replays is pretty simple. When we think up a magically awesome project like TSL and shop around for sponsors we need to be able to show said sponsor stats - specifically vod stats. The whole motivation for a sponsor is that they know the viewer will see their logo/ad and this will probably expand (we aren't going to 20 minute gom ads with DRM....yet LOL). To keep that door open we need to have backing "the last 10 episodes of liquibition have had X number of views". If we release reps then obviously vod views go down, stream views go down, product looks less popular (as has less value because not as many people watching the vod). Then prizes go down and we have to cut stuff.

Don't give me lip about blah blah replays still show view i know they do. Sponsors want to see where they can have a 10 second ad between a game or where there logo will be placed during a broadcast.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
March 30 2009 21:13 GMT
#1287
Kennigit The explanation wasn't need but we apreciate you take the time to, Thx for the good work and for bring good quality games and broadcast for us.

On the games i was disapointed when nony drop game 3 with out fight...

As plexa wrote if he losse one of game 3-4-5 he was going to losse the series in game 6 and thats what hapend
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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
March 30 2009 21:32 GMT
#1288
On March 31 2009 05:54 Kennigit wrote:
With Regards to Replays

The reason we don't release replays is pretty simple. When we think up a magically awesome project like TSL and shop around for sponsors we need to be able to show said sponsor stats - specifically vod stats. The whole motivation for a sponsor is that they know the viewer will see their logo/ad and this will probably expand (we aren't going to 20 minute gom ads with DRM....yet LOL). To keep that door open we need to have backing "the last 10 episodes of liquibition have had X number of views". If we release reps then obviously vod views go down, stream views go down, product looks less popular (as has less value because not as many people watching the vod). Then prizes go down and we have to cut stuff.

Don't give me lip about blah blah replays still show view i know they do. Sponsors want to see where they can have a 10 second ad between a game or where there logo will be placed during a broadcast.


Can you release the replay like 2-3 weeks after the games happen ?
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 30 2009 23:51 GMT
#1289
On March 31 2009 06:32 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 05:54 Kennigit wrote:
With Regards to Replays

The reason we don't release replays is pretty simple. When we think up a magically awesome project like TSL and shop around for sponsors we need to be able to show said sponsor stats - specifically vod stats. The whole motivation for a sponsor is that they know the viewer will see their logo/ad and this will probably expand (we aren't going to 20 minute gom ads with DRM....yet LOL). To keep that door open we need to have backing "the last 10 episodes of liquibition have had X number of views". If we release reps then obviously vod views go down, stream views go down, product looks less popular (as has less value because not as many people watching the vod). Then prizes go down and we have to cut stuff.

Don't give me lip about blah blah replays still show view i know they do. Sponsors want to see where they can have a 10 second ad between a game or where there logo will be placed during a broadcast.


Can you release the replay like 2-3 weeks after the games happen ?

That would be very much appreciated. I'm sure a lot of zergs want to try to catch on to F91's aggressive style, and it's much easier to see whats happening with replays than VODs.
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FlamyDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Netherlands146 Posts
March 31 2009 00:22 GMT
#1290
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 31 2009 00:32 GMT
#1291
On March 31 2009 09:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..

Stream/VODs can have a sponsor overlay like we had during Razer TSL. Replays can't. So it's irrelevant for a sponsor.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 31 2009 00:37 GMT
#1292
On March 31 2009 09:32 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 09:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..

Stream/VODs can have a sponsor overlay like we had during Razer TSL. Replays can't. So it's irrelevant for a sponsor.

Yeah but what about what D10 mentioned, 2-3 weeks after the VODs are released everyone would have already seen them and then it wouldn't matter so much.
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
March 31 2009 02:24 GMT
#1293
I know nony didn't even touch F91's economy in game 6 but I really thought he was just gonna roll over F91 with his army, or that F91 would just funnel his army into storms and scarabs (Looking at you JD!). But man, his muta switch and his muta snipes were fucking art. Zerg Pride!
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 31 2009 03:23 GMT
#1294
On March 31 2009 06:32 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 05:54 Kennigit wrote:
With Regards to Replays

The reason we don't release replays is pretty simple. When we think up a magically awesome project like TSL and shop around for sponsors we need to be able to show said sponsor stats - specifically vod stats. The whole motivation for a sponsor is that they know the viewer will see their logo/ad and this will probably expand (we aren't going to 20 minute gom ads with DRM....yet LOL). To keep that door open we need to have backing "the last 10 episodes of liquibition have had X number of views". If we release reps then obviously vod views go down, stream views go down, product looks less popular (as has less value because not as many people watching the vod). Then prizes go down and we have to cut stuff.

Don't give me lip about blah blah replays still show view i know they do. Sponsors want to see where they can have a 10 second ad between a game or where there logo will be placed during a broadcast.


Can you release the replay like 2-3 weeks after the games happen ?

It's still the same concept
"oh hey that liquidbition show is coming on OMG LETS WATCH GUYS"
"nah just dl the replays in 2-3weeks if ppl say it was gud"
"oh ok sure"
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 31 2009 03:35 GMT
#1295
On March 31 2009 12:23 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 06:32 D10 wrote:
On March 31 2009 05:54 Kennigit wrote:
With Regards to Replays

The reason we don't release replays is pretty simple. When we think up a magically awesome project like TSL and shop around for sponsors we need to be able to show said sponsor stats - specifically vod stats. The whole motivation for a sponsor is that they know the viewer will see their logo/ad and this will probably expand (we aren't going to 20 minute gom ads with DRM....yet LOL). To keep that door open we need to have backing "the last 10 episodes of liquibition have had X number of views". If we release reps then obviously vod views go down, stream views go down, product looks less popular (as has less value because not as many people watching the vod). Then prizes go down and we have to cut stuff.

Don't give me lip about blah blah replays still show view i know they do. Sponsors want to see where they can have a 10 second ad between a game or where there logo will be placed during a broadcast.


Can you release the replay like 2-3 weeks after the games happen ?

It's still the same concept
"oh hey that liquidbition show is coming on OMG LETS WATCH GUYS"
"nah just dl the replays in 2-3weeks if ppl say it was gud"
"oh ok sure"

I don't think so. Why would you want to wait 2-3 weeks? Then when you actually DO see it you won't really be up to date with everyone else because everyone would have already discussed it in a live thread. Also there is no commentary on the replays when you download them. Half the fun of watching liquibition is sitting in IRC with everyone else, knowing that what you are watching now is happening as you discuss it IMO.
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
March 31 2009 03:44 GMT
#1296
On March 31 2009 09:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..


A worthless stat, though, as they have no advertising in the place you download it :/

Maybe you can be like Pringles or all the wc3 tourneys and add banners for sponsors in maps :3 Pity there are no loading screens in SC either...

Otherwise just having adverts on the rep download page, but that would be kinda lame :/
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 31 2009 08:23 GMT
#1297
nosnibor = robinson backwards btw
Rouel
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden138 Posts
March 31 2009 09:56 GMT
#1298
Some exciting games I must say. Also great commentary, impressive solowork.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-31 10:54:29
March 31 2009 10:47 GMT
#1299
On March 31 2009 09:32 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 09:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..

Stream/VODs can have a sponsor overlay like we had during Razer TSL. Replays can't. So it's irrelevant for a sponsor.


Why not put the sponor's logo on the map itself?

That way you would have even more hits, because you'd satisfy the entire audience. People could watch live, download vods and / or download replays, if they dislike watching vods or couldn't watch the games live due to a slow internet connection etc.

I realise that the fact the logo won't be visible at all times might be a problem, but it could be done in such a way that the logo would be visible on the mini map and therefore all the time.
Deleted User 39582
Profile Joined August 2008
317 Posts
March 31 2009 11:54 GMT
#1300
On March 31 2009 19:47 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 09:32 Carnac wrote:
On March 31 2009 09:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
Why not have some sort of download counter that shows how many times the reps were downloaded? It gives another stat you could sell to the sponsors..

Stream/VODs can have a sponsor overlay like we had during Razer TSL. Replays can't. So it's irrelevant for a sponsor.


Why not put the sponor's logo on the map itself?

That way you would have even more hits, because you'd satisfy the entire audience. People could watch live, download vods and / or download replays, if they dislike watching vods or couldn't watch the games live due to a slow internet connection etc.

I realise that the fact the logo won't be visible at all times might be a problem, but it could be done in such a way that the logo would be visible on the mini map and therefore all the time.

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