• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:10
CEST 16:10
KST 23:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results1Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Flashes ASL S21 Ro8 Review
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Semifinals A [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2043 users

Old VOD Night - Page 23

Forum Index > News
567 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 29 Next All
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7535 Posts
December 29 2008 23:07 GMT
#441
On December 30 2008 07:56 decembrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2008 07:51 AttackZerg wrote:
On December 30 2008 07:48 decembrie wrote:
This wasn't really cheese !!!!! It seems like it, but it wasn't !

It was very calculated and on this particular map m&m are bound to beat 1 fact and 1 port...

THIS WAS NOT CHEESE



By all standard definations of cheese this was a cheese.

He cut all economic capablity for 1 do or die attack. If oov went 2 fact vulture it was an auto-loss.

It wasn't cheese as in bbs or proxy, it was a unit specific surprises timming attack. How often do you see terran build 10 scv tvt and then stop for the entire game?



You're forgetting the map this was played on; indeed boxer lost his scvs, but he could have avoided that with just 3 marines...

Done on most other maps this would be cheese, but on Requiem... a map where the initial push is 70% of the game; its not.

This is not the only time Boxer has used m&m in tvt.

In a recent game, he used m&m to contain a terran on a 2 player map and ended up winning in mid to late-game.


I'm sorry but you are very wrong. Just because boxer has used all varieties of cheese builds more then once doesn't make them not cheese. I didn't mean he lost his scv to a wraith. He only made 8-9 all game anyway.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
December 29 2008 23:07 GMT
#442
Well, rA never lost a PvZ on either Guillotine or Neo, pioneering the whole 'double nexus' deal. Then again, he was 14-1 combined overall on the maps anyhow and that was at his peak of dominance.

The only thing I can really compare that to is Jaedong's 16-2 Katrina record, which was supposed to be terrible for Zerg.

Anyhow, tangent completed... haha
Oh, my eSports
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 29 2008 23:07 GMT
#443
drop gets raped by manlots and manrobes
Forever Young
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
December 29 2008 23:08 GMT
#444
I had moderate success with PvZ despite my PvZ being my worst matchup by far (barring understanding, results, and confidence - basically everything). I really don't know what I cooked up but sometimes it worked

The only help is that Zergs didn't know overpool, so they either 12hatched into the choke or 9-pooled. You can't really 12-hatch to the expo, maybe that's what helps P a bit.

So weird watching that they didn't know how to carpet bomb drops, etc
Complete the cycle!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 29 2008 23:08 GMT
#445
wow look at that hydra line
Forever Young
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
December 29 2008 23:09 GMT
#446
And indeed Guillotine was Nal_rA's map
Complete the cycle!
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
December 29 2008 23:09 GMT
#447
If people looked at this game I can see why it took a while for the protoss FE build to get popular.
Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
December 29 2008 23:09 GMT
#448
Hydras behind mineral line, that's a nice move
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17059 Posts
December 29 2008 23:10 GMT
#449
Haha, he doesn't even attempts to micro his hydra away from the storm.
Moderator
decembrie
Profile Joined December 2008
93 Posts
December 29 2008 23:10 GMT
#450
manly storm there.
nada.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
December 29 2008 23:10 GMT
#451
That critter cost Reach the game... T_T
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7535 Posts
December 29 2008 23:10 GMT
#452
On December 30 2008 08:07 QibingZero wrote:
Well, rA never lost a PvZ on either Guillotine or Neo,
Anyhow, tangent completed... haha



Yes he was the strongest P by far PvZ at the time.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 29 2008 23:11 GMT
#453
Reach is so manly lol.
TranslatorBaa!
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17059 Posts
December 29 2008 23:12 GMT
#454
I love 1979. Such a great song.

I love how you guys play it at every event
Moderator
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17059 Posts
December 29 2008 23:12 GMT
#455
Here comes a Plexagasm!
Moderator
Ro[]t
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden147 Posts
December 29 2008 23:12 GMT
#456
NADA Fighting!!
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
December 29 2008 23:12 GMT
#457
By the way, what's the reason for not-using-lcd monitors?
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 29 2008 23:13 GMT
#458
what other xmas events are gonna happen after this?
Forever Young
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 29 2008 23:13 GMT
#459
On December 30 2008 08:12 RA wrote:
By the way, what's the reason for not-using-lcd monitors?

Higher refresh rates.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 29 2008 23:13 GMT
#460
OMG Yellow. Please show a game that Yellow wins <3
TranslatorBaa!
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 29 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #248
TKL 189
iHatsuTV 26
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 521
TKL 189
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49051
Calm 6460
Sea 4710
EffOrt 1056
Jaedong 1010
Soulkey 337
ggaemo 323
BeSt 318
Hyuk 276
actioN 236
[ Show more ]
Rush 195
Mind 75
scan(afreeca) 72
ToSsGirL 65
Sea.KH 42
Shinee 35
Backho 29
Barracks 27
soO 26
Sexy 24
910 21
Terrorterran 20
Sacsri 14
Shine 13
yabsab 13
Free 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6568
qojqva1372
syndereN164
Counter-Strike
fl0m3225
olofmeister2777
markeloff109
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King84
Westballz24
Other Games
gofns34353
Grubby7301
singsing2190
B2W.Neo672
DeMusliM589
hiko492
byalli392
Lowko338
crisheroes309
Happy278
Beastyqt179
Hui .129
monkeys_forever110
KnowMe90
QueenE64
ArmadaUGS45
XcaliburYe43
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL39959
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco1097
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota238
League of Legends
• Nemesis1974
• Jankos1465
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 50m
sebesdes vs Iba
Percival vs YoungYakov
Reynor vs GgMaChine
Korean StarCraft League
12h 50m
RSL Revival
19h 50m
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
1d 1h
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
1d 4h
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
1d 17h
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
2 days
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-14
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.