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United States10774 Posts
Brand New MSL Map
Starting with MSL Survivor Tournament Group A [LuCifer, Dongrae, Iris, maGma] a new map named Byzantium will be used. Byzantium is a hill-based 4 player map with a lot of ramps. In order to secure a third gas, a player must go down the hill that contains natural expansion and a mineral only. Similar to those of Reverse Temple, ramps face upwards from the main bases. Although those ramps make early game strategies easier to execute, the map is predicted to be a standard macro map. Byzantium was created by Gi Bum Song, who has also created other popular maps such as Luna and Rush Hour.
Plasssssma - New OSL Map
The first new OSL map is called Plasma And yeah, it does look very odd. It's a 3 player "timed island" map that screams creative and cheesy plays. Routes that connect the main bases are blocked by lurker eggs, which makes the map island until the eggs are destroyed. There are two close expansions very close to the main - a normal gas expo and a mineral only. Depending on how a player decides to use those eggs, games can vary heavily.
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
This one is more standard looking. Return of the King is a 4 player macro-based map that closely resembles Namja Iyagi. Heavy macro battles are predicted as players fight to hold control of the center hill. How one chooses to use the island expansion behind the main base will drastically affect the gameplay.
Source - Fomos.Co.Kr
Byzantium
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76295
OSL Maps
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76247
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United States10774 Posts
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Oh, no 4th map for OSL yet?
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These maps look gosu as hell and I'm looking forward to seeing games on them :D Although Return of the King looks a bit like a remake of Namja Iyagi.
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United States10774 Posts
On August 05 2008 08:27 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
These maps look gosu as hell and I'm looking forward to seeing games on them :D Although Return of the King looks a bit like a remake of Namja Iyagi.
Yeah, I think they just wanted to reuse Namja Iyagi after balancing it out a little more or something :O
And there is no fourth OSL map, afaik.
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Hmmm, I bet on plasma you could use an overlord for sight, and just float a drone over all those eggs and build a proxy hatchery to surprise your opponent with lings really early :O If you scouted him with your overlord first, anyway.
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thedeadhaji
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you dont need OL for sight b/c there are small min patches (32 iirc) on either side of the egg lines
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Lol plasma is gonna make for some interesting games for sure 
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I always love new maps even when they aren't balanced.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 05 2008 09:25 Ozarugold wrote:
I always love new maps even when they aren't balanced.
ORLY
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SO doesn't this bring up the question of the most effective way to deal with those lurker eggs? First thing that comes to mind is storm..
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No, you mind control the lurker eggs, then you get free lurkers
Seriously, would that work o.o?
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
On August 05 2008 08:28 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 08:27 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
These maps look gosu as hell and I'm looking forward to seeing games on them :D Although Return of the King looks a bit like a remake of Namja Iyagi. Yeah, I think they just wanted to reuse Namja Iyagi after balancing it out a little more or something :O And there is no fourth OSL map, afaik.
Acording to the Fomos article that's just what it is. I've translated the pertinent parts in the New OSL maps thread.
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Plasma looks sick wit it~
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Looking forward to a game on Plasma
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On August 05 2008 10:23 berler wrote:i just tried downloading the new plasma map from the TLPD link ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/183_Plasma ), and its definitely not the right map. the download is a 4-player map and on the wrong tileset.
Thanks, fixed.
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Very sexy new maps :D
I feel that the commentators are gonna have a nightmare pronouncing Return of the King hohoho
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Wow plasma looks siiiiick. Also imba as hell, but whatever.
On August 05 2008 11:04 Equinox_kr wrote:
I feel that the commentators are gonna have a nightmare pronouncing Return of the King hohoho
haha for a long time Koreans kept talking to me about the "King of road" movie and it took me forever to realize that they meant King of Lord (lord of the rings).
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On August 05 2008 09:34 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 09:25 Ozarugold wrote:
I always love new maps even when they aren't balanced. ORLY
Er... with the exception of those two...and a select few others...
But I just like watching new maps come into the pool. It freshens up the place and whatnot~
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I just tried out Plasma and nothing else can't describe it beside "weird". The thing that really bothered me was that the ramp was by the mineral only instead of the natural. So.. taking the 2nd gas quick may make you very vulnerable to tricky cheeses. I can already see factories pushing vultures through the lurker eggs and harassing early zergs and protoss trying for heavy econ builds.
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Does anyone here think there's a shot in hell that Plasma will end up being balanced?
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Did the map makers get permission from the lord of the ring owners or w/e to use their names?
And how would some of these maps be unbalanced too? Examples of MUs plz
Edit: Ok, plasmas imba like crazy, terran would win ez mostly, unless toss goes real fast carriers. In tvz, terran just has to set up tanks in front of opponents eggs.
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glad return of the king's main min are vertical if it was horizontal its gonna be hell to defend for terran against mutas
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United States10774 Posts
On August 05 2008 13:56 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Did the map makers get permission from the lord of the ring owners or w/e to use their names?
And how would some of these maps be unbalanced too? Examples of MUs plz
Edit: Ok, plasmas imba like crazy, terran would win ez mostly, unless toss goes real fast carriers. In tvz, terran just has to set up tanks in front of opponents eggs.
Return of the King doesn't HAVE to be from LOTR :O
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The first new OSL map is called Plasma And yeah, it does look very odd. It's a 3 player "timed island" map that screams creative and cheesy plays. Routes that connect the main bases are blocked by lurker eggs, which makes the map island until the eggs are destroyed. There are two close expansions very close to the main - a normal gas expo and a mineral only. Depending on how a player decides to use those eggs, games can vary heavily.
Cut short?
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51469 Posts
On August 05 2008 08:28 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 08:27 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
These maps look gosu as hell and I'm looking forward to seeing games on them :D Although Return of the King looks a bit like a remake of Namja Iyagi. Yeah, I think they just wanted to reuse Namja Iyagi after balancing it out a little more or something :O And there is no fourth OSL map, afaik.
they announce the fourth map when the first round (ro36 this time) is done.
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On August 05 2008 10:02 Juicyfruit wrote:No, you mind control the lurker eggs, then you get free lurkers Seriously, would that work o.o?
no ._.
any pre-placed egg/cocoon wont ever finish
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I just played plasma, and managed to get the probe throu egs with "return cargo" bug. I guess progamers might use this.
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alright so has broodwarmaps.net not been making better maps? rofl
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Whens the next season of Proleague start, how long after the finals?
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Byzantium and ROTK are horrible. But well gay macro maps with terrible pathfiding are popular and turtle terrans will be happy.
Plasma might be imbalanced but looks fun at least.
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Did anyone else notice that Byzantium and ROTK are practically the exact same map just inverted?
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On August 05 2008 14:21 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 13:56 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Did the map makers get permission from the lord of the ring owners or w/e to use their names?
And how would some of these maps be unbalanced too? Examples of MUs plz
Edit: Ok, plasmas imba like crazy, terran would win ez mostly, unless toss goes real fast carriers. In tvz, terran just has to set up tanks in front of opponents eggs. Return of the King doesn't HAVE to be from LOTR :O
Well it said lord of the rings: return of the king
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United States10774 Posts
On August 06 2008 02:06 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 14:21 OneOther wrote:On August 05 2008 13:56 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Did the map makers get permission from the lord of the ring owners or w/e to use their names?
And how would some of these maps be unbalanced too? Examples of MUs plz
Edit: Ok, plasmas imba like crazy, terran would win ez mostly, unless toss goes real fast carriers. In tvz, terran just has to set up tanks in front of opponents eggs. Return of the King doesn't HAVE to be from LOTR :O Well it said lord of the rings: return of the king
oh lol that's just not what it's actually called. I just wrote that
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On August 05 2008 22:09 arbiter_md wrote:
I just played plasma, and managed to get the probe throu egs with "return cargo" bug. I guess progamers might use this.
Aren't the minerals placed close by the eggs designed so you can get through without cheeses? Just get close, and hit gather mineral on the other side of the eggs, presto.
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I think plasma looks brutal for zerg.. i suspect that the win ratio will be super low. without proxy hatch there is no way to push the issue
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I like the last one and the second one =&=...
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i really like the 2nd, and the last one, idk why =&=
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On August 05 2008 12:24 Ozarugold wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 09:34 alffla wrote:On August 05 2008 09:25 Ozarugold wrote:
I always love new maps even when they aren't balanced. ORLY Er... with the exception of those two...and a select few others... But I just like watching new maps come into the pool. It freshens up the place and whatnot~
nice map =&=
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It would be interesting if z used parasite on the eggs on Plasma...
don't know how useful it would be though.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On August 05 2008 09:34 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 09:25 Ozarugold wrote:
I always love new maps even when they aren't balanced. ORLY
i actually liked dmz games
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On August 05 2008 10:02 Juicyfruit wrote:No, you mind control the lurker eggs, then you get free lurkers Seriously, would that work o.o?
Ive try dont work :/
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Byzantium reminds me of a realy old map where I think GARIMTO played ElkY or something. Started out with proxy reaver behind the terrans base and then moved onto a lategame where lots of archons were used. This has to be 2000 or before... does anyone remember the game or the map im talking about?
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On August 06 2008 01:56 Zanno wrote:
Did anyone else notice that Byzantium and ROTK are practically the exact same map just inverted?
agh this is so true. i expect byxantium to be the more interesting of the two, but i have a feeling it will just play like andromeda (that is to say, boringly).
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On August 07 2008 16:58 DrainX wrote:
Byzantium reminds me of a realy old map where I think GARIMTO played ElkY or something. Started out with proxy reaver behind the terrans base and then moved onto a lategame where lots of archons were used. This has to be 2000 or before... does anyone remember the game or the map im talking about?
i dont know that game, but are you talking about vertigo?
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what is that badlands map that is imba that people keep quoting?
On return of the king
Look at the ramp distances between top left compared to the rest of the bases. To get the middle high ground seems to be extra far there.
Also fuck all that narrow shit, it looks like neo blaze
The other maps seem pretty cool and I like them.
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Playing Protoss on Plasma without Arbiters. =D
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