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On March 15 2008 03:37 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 01:03 Gokey wrote:
I really hope that blizzard saved the replays of the tourney to ANALYZE how other people (especially skilled players like from teamliquid), are playing and "breaking" the game. Really, although the producers and designers at blizzard are awesome at what they do, they generally seem pretty noobish when it comes to competitive gaming... they need fresh gosu players to break their cycle of circle-jerking in designing SC2 edit: they are also working on making Muta control like it was in the original. In the original it was a bug however so it is taking some time for them to figure out how to do it since the code is much better now.
That's really good to hear... Oh man, it's gonna be so great watching muta dancing in 3D....
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haha, sounds like ling and roach is sorta like a weaker version of ultra/ling in BW.
roaches are there to take the hit, while inflicting a little bit of damage, while the lings mop everything up.
im not sure though, roaches could do lots of damage, but it would seem unfair since they regenerate so fast?
BTW, how fast DO they regenerate?
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Two roaches cannot kill another roach.
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What about 3 roaches? Is the HP regeneration like...2-3 per second or something crazy?
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it's like 10hp per second. it's wild.
3 can kill one but it takes awhile.
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ya, so mass roach+ling+ultra+infestor seems like a pretty damn good late game combo
i can't imagine a fully upgraded roach...
actually, maybe throw in some lurkers with that mix, and you could burrow them behind retreating enemy units and you'd have yourself a "gg"
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Whata cute post 
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such a good read thanks for the report!
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the roach is pretty damn broken right now it seems... ridiculous for such a low-tier and low-cost creature
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i guess you just have to scout, and then make units witch inflict more dmg so they die. as i've understood it, the best thing is to inflict dmg on the roach with over 90hp pr hit?
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Fry the Roaches with Colossi  Yum-yum, tasty
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On March 15 2008 05:12 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2008 03:02 darktreb wrote:
Why don't people wait until TL people actually play another team that actually has decent macro (for all the claims of macro being "too easy" it sure seemed like none of the other teams figured this out) before juding MBS?
It's kind of funny - everyone is using MBS as an example of why macro is too easy, as if TL was allowed to use it, and their opponents weren't.... If everyone would return to a more OBJECTIVE viewpoint, maybe we'd realize how flawed the argument against MBS is in this article. I'm not saying MBS is necessarily good, I'm just saying that the observations from this article (which is very good overall) do not serve as anything more than pretty tenuous arguments against MBS. Nice job phrasing it in a way that makes it feel convincing though ... a debate teacher would surely love how that was done. At Blizzcon tons of TL people (who automatically all have good macro :/ ) played against each other. Pretty much everyone agreed that MBS made it too easy. If you read part one of this report Dustin Browder agrees that it is an issue and does current make it easy because there is nothing to fill it....This isn't a debate...if you derail this thread any further you will feel the burn.
So I'm derailing the thread by responding to what other people were saying in the thread? I thought that's what threads were all about. Oh, I'm derailing it by turning it into a "debate" ... wait I'm not. I just wanted to point something out that was relevant to this particular article.
I don't necessarily think MBS is a good thing ... I just think it's still way too early to judge, and I also just wanted to point out that the article's argument against it is flawed (which it is, from a technical debate standpoint). It doesn't help to use flawed arguments against MBS, when there are plenty of good ones that aren't broken like the "we had MBS and we were able to build more than the opponent which made it easy for us to win" argument.
I also think it's too early to say that there's NOTHING to fill the macro void. When the pros played SC2, they played from the perspective of an SC1 pro. They reserved time to macro like an SC1 pro, and treated the game like it was SC1 with new graphics. There's nothing wrong with that, but it takes time to adjust to the new dynamics of the game. It takes time to discover whether or not someone with ridiculous multitasking can now pull of some insane battle tactics because of the time saved by MBS. That's obviously not going to happen in a few hours, or a few days, especially when everyone is so USED TO playing it like BW. At least give it an adjustment period before saying there's nothing to fill the void.
I also want to reiterate think this was a great article and the authors did a great job with almost all aspects. Thanks for all the information, and congratulations for kicking so much ass.
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Very nice writeup. GG GJ. When is part 3, aka the upcomming post, expected?
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Part 3 WHERE? I'm anxiously waiting for DAYS now. I can't take it anymore!
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Sorry about slow update
things w/ schools are a bit hectic, with all the letters coming out in a deluge :x
Will be out soon! promise!
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On March 20 2008 15:14 Last Romantic wrote:
Sorry about slow update
things w/ schools are a bit hectic, with all the letters coming out in a deluge :x
Will be out soon! promise!
seconded... I finished my last of finals this morning, so I've got some time on my hands now to actually do things I like to do.
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good to know!  lookin forward to it!
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Very nice, can't wait.
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