EPTProLeague Broadcast Rights Controversy - Page 5
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Waxangel
United States33610 Posts
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IEGbrooks
Korea (South)9 Posts
Sebasta - I think you misunderstood my post. I never said that a broadcast entity could not be successful in running a league and/or tournament. It would be plain ludicrous for me to say such a thing considering both MBC and OGN has had great successes running their leagues. I said that a broadcast entity like MBC and OGN should not be involved with a league on the day to day operations. It can create problems in the media and the league itself because they could potentially be biased towards making themselves look better. Just remember, I never said that either MBC or OGN did any of this, I'm just saying that it could potentially happen, which is why KeSPA has separated the day to day operations away from broadcasters. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
On February 22 2007 06:05 d4d wrote: Stuart, as everyone yet, thanks for talking to us. It's good to have direct input from a player in e-Sports. I would love to have the MSL/OGN side of the story too... Hope they stay sharp and send someone over quick  Now one thing made me tick. Tell me this was just a wink and not that you will also work in removing material from YouTube.For the rest of it, good luck in your endeavors! Stay around. I think (hope) he meant no more relying on youtube VODs. | ||
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IEGbrooks
Korea (South)9 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On February 22 2007 16:41 IEGbrooks wrote: I understand all of the misconceptions, half-truths and the like. Both MBC and OGN do a lot of work for the leagues as they are the broadcast partners. KeSPA does the organizational duties for the league (planning, referee etc.) I never said they don't do a lot of work and the work that OGN and MBC does is extremely important to the health of the various professional leagues here in Korea. I understand the misgivings you have about 'taking' the league from the people who truly pushed StarCraft into the public eye. It would be a lot easier for me to explain this sort of thing ub person but since im here in Seoul and most of you are spread out, its almost impossible! Sebasta - I think you misunderstood my post. I never said that a broadcast entity could not be successful in running a league and/or tournament. It would be plain ludicrous for me to say such a thing considering both MBC and OGN has had great successes running their leagues. I said that a broadcast entity like MBC and OGN should not be involved with a league on the day to day operations. It can create problems in the media and the league itself because they could potentially be biased towards making themselves look better. Just remember, I never said that either MBC or OGN did any of this, I'm just saying that it could potentially happen, which is why KeSPA has separated the day to day operations away from broadcasters. Yeah, sure broadcasting companies have potential to create problems if they dominate the day-to-day operation of a league in the long term. But KeSPA also has the potential to rise problems if they organize the Proleague without supports from OGN/MBC(do you agree that?) And since OSL and MSL have been so successful for many years that KeSPA and IEG etc still have a lot to learn from MBC/OGN in terms of progaming. It's not only unfair but also unwise to treat OGN/MBC simple bidders in this movement. | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On February 22 2007 17:20 IEGbrooks wrote: Yes SonuvBob, these illegal VOD's of proleague will be stopped. We should be supplying VOD's to one of the SC community sites for people to watch. Excuse for my straightness, but I think there's no way you can stop these so-called "illegal VODs". I mean, what's your plan to implement this kind of enforcement? Prosecuting everyone who rips the VOD and puts them online? Many giant entertainment companies like Sony BMG, PolyGram etc, are suffering from mp3 and so do large film producing companies. I don't think any of them has less power than IEG does. Come on, we all know what you are talking about are great solutions, but in ideal. I don't think they are options that will work in real world. At last, we need time and consensus from public to make things better, not just ideas. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
I don't think though you are sufficiently showing that OGN and MBC are doing as little a share of the work as you are saying. The way I still see it is that OGN and MBC run the proleague and KesPA lends its assistance. Making OGN and MBC pay to show leagues that they run just doesn't seem right. What does KesPA do? What don't OGN and MBC do? | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Also, / \. | | | | Hire tasteless | ||
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IEGbrooks
Korea (South)9 Posts
.We hope to officially announce the Proleague broadcasting plan in the near future as well as a few of the new StarCraft projects. Apparently over at GosuGamers, I am not to be trusted about anything I say. I again express my thanks to the TL community of readers who have expressed their dismay in a logical and mature way. I have no problem addressing these issues if they are expressed in the proper way. All of you are more than welcome to not believe a word I say because I know words of one man will not sway your doubts as much as actions can. All I can hope for is you keep an open mind and let us continue doing our work. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
 In my experience, there is an enormous difference between a free (ad-supported) service and even the cheapest pay service. Pulling that credit card out, even for a tiny payment, is a pretty big step for a lot of people, especially for the younger folks.Also, Tasteless for President (and Proleague commentator). | ||
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starter[eTel]
Philippines50 Posts
IGNbrooks, are you planning for an online channel, I mean, live streaming? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 22 2007 07:09 Aphelion02 wrote: Thats disingenous. The entire culture of progaming, the mapmaking, the technical know-how were all built up by OGN and MBC. Its not just about rights or writing a few checks, the whole groundwork upon which proleague rests is done by those two broadcasting stations. he was only talking about the current running of the leagues, not who established the groundwork. i dont know who actually does what but the buildup in the technicalities supporting the proleague isnt relevant to who currently does the brunt of the work. | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On February 22 2007 19:56 starter[eTel] wrote: IGNbrooks, I really loved the way you treat the SC Community in TL. I, from the philippines, am also a fan of Korean Progaming and was definitely glad to know that you also care for international Starcraft progaming. I wish we Filipino could have leagues like this. Too bad, only 11% of our youth is interested in Starcraft... IGNbrooks, are you planning for an online channel, I mean, live streaming? 11%, it's a pretty high percentage i'd say... in Hong Kong, the ratio of youth interested in bw is counted in ppm... | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1078 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:04 SeBASTa wrote: 11%, it's a pretty high percentage i'd say... in Hong Kong, the ratio of youth interested in bw is counted in ppm... I'm in Hong Kong=P Hong Kong people just like MMORPGs.... Anyways, I do hope the influence of StarCraft can be expanded. Good luck | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On February 22 2007 18:50 IEGbrooks wrote: I completely agree with your points Sebasta. What im emphasizing is fans will not have to look for illegal VOD's because we would be providing the service for free or for a nominal fee for a whole season of Proleague. Obviously it would be difficult to enforce but most people choose the 'legal' route if it is available to them at little or no cost to them, besides the official VOD's are much better quality .I'd really appreciate that if IEG can provide this kind of service which is not easily accessible through OGN/MBC, but I think what we(both IEG and the SC community) concern most doesnt lie on this. What you need to consider at the first place is how to satisfy Korean SC Community, only then, you can thinking about spread Progaming worldwide. I dont know the details of the charge of watching OGN and MBC game channels, but what I guess is someone pays a monthly charge and then enjoys all the Starleague and Proleague and Duel/Survive League provided by OGN/MBC. If Proleague is no longer livecasted in OGN/MBC, will people be happy with paying for the extra fee charged by IEG or whoever does the livecast thing? This is just one of the many difficulties you will encounter without OGN and MBC, because they are too important to get rid of. I mean, at least, KeSPA should give some privileges in auction. Mayby KeSPA did provide privileges, but not enough to keep the relationship. | ||
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starter[eTel]
Philippines50 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:42 HaFnium wrote: I'm in Hong Kong=P Hong Kong people just like MMORPGs.... Anyways, I do hope the influence of StarCraft can be expanded. Good luck I also wished the best in my country too...good luck to all of us... | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27174 Posts
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dupek
Switzerland214 Posts
and if not...we will see savior, nada, midas, casy, yellow etc playing bwcl! horray! | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 22 2007 20:42 HaFnium wrote: I'm in Hong Kong=P Hong Kong people just like MMORPGs.... Anyways, I do hope the influence of StarCraft can be expanded. Good luck shit really? OMGG FINALLY MORE PEOPLE FROM HK~!!! On February 22 2007 22:32 Manifesto7 wrote: I will tell you that, I will continue to provide and promote VODs on this site until a viable, reasonable, and legitimate VOD option is availible. We have scrapped along far too hard to abandon VODs without another longterm, concrete option. MANLIFESTO FIGHTINGG!! | ||
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