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Korea (South)1740 Posts
On February 21 2007 08:24 DrainX wrote:
Cant they just pick a new name like GosuLeague and run that instead with the same rules etc? I mean instead of creating a new league each why not create a new one working togather?
There is the sponsor issue as mentioned above, but also if OGN and MBC really do make a clean break, that just makes the entire situation look really bad
Also, OGN and MBC, if you recall, are direct competitors. They would be strange bedfellows indeed.
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isn't it possible that MBC and OGN just set up another Kespa-like organisation (that they control of course) and there's a split like in boxing where you have a bunch of world champions?
why can't they just dump Kespa and go on?
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This news is obviously more dramatic for the lives of progamers and those who are involved in eSports business. I doubt that the owning rights in itself will erase the pro gaming scene so easily. The fact is that there are people who follow progaming like a real spectator sport and there are people's lives involved because of progaming. All in all, they'll find a solution - we won't lose progaming. In my opinion, in the worst case scenario, progaming will be damaged but not altogether lost.
I mean come on! We can't let progaming die with Savior still #1~ At least not until Garimto shows his godlike protoss vs zerg and reverse the imba T_T
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Chill out, progaming in Korea won\'t die, there is too much at stake for all these organizations/corporations.
Now we have to pray so that they don\'t come up with a shitty compromise...
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There are magazines, sites upon sites, and even newspaper articles and celebrity lives at stake.
SC won't go away, Uhjoo, goodsir, is being dramatic with that comment.
However, this is a big moment in E-Sports and KeSpa is just being gay.
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Korea (South)1740 Posts
by no means am i saying SC progaming will end, but imo it can't afford to take hits like this.
and yes, there is a doomsday scenario when everything will have to start over from basically scratch, but i do admit it is highly unlikely. one thing working in the fans' favor is that the proleague is SUCH a big part of both OGN and MSL (consisting of almost 50% of prime-time content on those channels) that they really can't afford to ditch it. KeSPA of course can't afford to ditch the Proleague either since it is essentially the reason why it exists. And IEG, they're making a sizable investment and having the Proleague go to nothing means that they wasted their money to buy rights to a league that doesn't exist.
if i were to play nostradamus, i think a last minute solution will be stitched together-- one possible scenario i see is that the "broadcast fees" will be lowered to a negligible sum and OGN and MBC will pay up, so keeping the current conditions, but under a different framework.
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Please don't flame me...
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But in all honesty, as much as I love liquibet, I could survive without the Proleague. Certainly, I love it with all of my heart and think that if it were to be abolished I'd probably cry for a day or two, but life would go on. I'd still be able to play competitive Starcraft, I'd just have to rely on tl.net for news on the development of the community.
Having that said, I love progaming and I'd be ever-so-sad to see it go away. And what about Tasteless...!?
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United States5262 Posts
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Kespa is evil corporatism at it's finest.
What more can I say except OSL and MSL hwaiting -_-;;
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oh my gosh, somebody call jerry springer...
anyways, I kinda wonder if kespa saw this coming when they signed away the rights in the first place. hopefully someone will come up with a witty deal (not likely... but still somewhat possible) cause right now everyone seems to be losing.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
What a ridiculous decision by the KeSPA. Why should OGN and MBC have to pay them (or anyone else) a fee to broadcast something that they are almost entirely responsible for producing in the first place?
Seems like KeSPA is doing things The American Way and putting their own profit ahead of everything else -_-.
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Uhjoo the lemonstand was a good analogy in simplifying the matter, but it doesn't portray the whole picture. I'd put the situation in a more simple form because I'm sure most people could understand this.
MBC and OGN sets up a tournament with prizes.
Players participated.
Players acquired sponsorships.
Sponsor companies set up a joint board to direct and manage operations (KESPA).
KESPA believe they own the rights to the games being played by their players (another point surfaces here, what about the games of a player who is not sponsored vs a sponsored one?)
But the prizes and venues & all the efforts put into the tournaments are single-handedly taken on by MBC & OGN.
So why should Kespa have any say in this?
.. I'd look into the contract that players sign with their sponsors if I were MBC or OGN to search for explicit statements regarding the rights to the games they play.
why can't they just dump Kespa and go on?
You should re-read the original post. KESPA = the sponsors of progamers, without sponsors, players would only play for tournament money, while paying out of their pocket for all the preparation & living expenses.
Seems like KeSPA is doing things The American Way and putting their own profit ahead of everything else -_-.
It is a business decision that I can understand, not necessarily for. They are paying alot of money to these players, and so far their investments have garnered minimal returns. While esport is huge in Korea, marketing within this... market... is still in its infancy. Wearing the uniforms with the sponsor logo on it in front of the TV with potential million viewers may seem attractive at first, but my guess is they figured out it's not netting them the return they expected.
My take: lower the broadcast rights like one of the options uhjoo suggested. Makes the most sense and minimal damage if any to MBC/OGN.
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United States20666 Posts
OGN and MBC fighting~!
this is ridiculous. Proleague is only place I can see Reach/YellOw play nowadays T-T
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Korea (South)1740 Posts
i should say up front that at the moment i am horribly biased, it may have shown up in my writing
afaik KeSPA was formed with good intentions, and OGN (and MBC, in a sense) did "give" the Proleague to KeSPA, so legally speaking, I think there's not much to challenge (although I could be wrong).
and the idea to "professionalize" e-sports to be like other national sports is future-looking as well. auctioning off broadcast rights to third parties/channels opens the door for providing other types of e-sports content through other types of media and does spread the profits of e-sports beyond OGN/MBC.
the move to auctioning broadcast rights would be, in an ideal world, great, because it would suggest that e-sports had matured. the problem, obviously, is that e-sports just isn't as developed as real sports industry, and the broadcast channels play a much greater role, so imo a move like this is not only premature, but potentially destructive.
i'm sure that OGN/MBC people are not without fault-- perhaps they just don't know how to put things in a diplomatic way to work out a constructive solution. and they are seemingly being very stubborn and confrontational.
the more i learn about this issue, the more i will post.
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i'm sure that OGN/MBC people are not without fault-- perhaps they just don't know how to put things in a diplomatic way to work out a constructive solution. and they are seemingly being very stubborn and confrontational.
It's like telepathy, I'm thinking the same thing 
the more i learn about this issue, the more i will post.
Agreed, I think I'm also making ill-informed posts here.
and OGN (and MBC, in a sense) did "give" the Proleague to KeSPA
Can you elaborate on this detail?
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if bw progaming stopped, I would have to kill myself. I've loved this game ever since it came out in 1998. And it's so entertaining to watch, and see how it evolve.
I really hope they come to some kinda agreement.
And a very nice writeup, this is.
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If KeSPA wants to professionalize progaming more and make it more like professional sports, why don't they go find the stadiums and the maps and all the things MBC and OGN were responsible for in the past?
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