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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
just wondering... you said IEG wants to try to spread SC more globally.. does this mean the possible inclusion of foreign maps into PL? I mean, something like a 2v2 map perhaps? I was just thinking that this is one way in which foreigners can be more including in these things and perhaps bring some more respect for us in general? | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
On February 22 2007 18:50 IEGbrooks wrote:Apparently over at GosuGamers, I am not to be trusted about anything I say. I again express my thanks to the TL community of readers who have expressed their dismay in a logical and mature way. I have no problem addressing these issues if they are expressed in the proper way. All of you are more than welcome to not believe a word I say because I know words of one man will not sway your doubts as much as actions can. All I can hope for is you keep an open mind and let us continue doing our work. I take it you are refering to my news.... That was not that you cannot be trusted, but to quote you back to yourself...keeping an open mind. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 23 2007 04:48 cYaN wrote: I take it you are refering to my news.... That was not that you cannot be trusted, but to quote you back to yourself...keeping an open mind. Actually, i think he was referring to the comments from users...The later comments if i remember correctly were pretty negative. #11 HeRo[LangJai] @ 2007-02-22 21:34:50 Please don't think that the IEG employee can be trusted, he's talking out of his ass. He's just trying to defend his company and is doing so by trying to raise all our hopes. KeSPA and IEG had no moral right to do what they did. And I assure you that there won't be progaming in North America, maybe Europe and other parts of Asia, but not North America. It's also unlikely that this will lead to that, this will cause more harm then it will good. crap like this just angers me  | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
wtf? First off, it's not that e-sports is different from normal sports, it's the fact that TV CHANNELS had started the sport, not actually official leagues. Let's not seperate e-sports and seclude it even more from other professional sports. It's just a slightly different issue that needs to be examined closesly and...WTF? screw IEG or IGE...or w/e...either that or make OGN/MBC merge their gaming shit, eh? | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
On February 22 2007 22:32 Manifesto7 wrote: I will tell you that, I will continue to provide and promote VODs on this site until a viable, reasonable, and legitimate VOD option is availible. We have scrapped along far too hard to abandon VODs without another longterm, concrete option. Damned straight man. Some of the greatest words I've ever heard. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2901 Posts
You are rigth when you say that it's not healthy for a sport if the broadcaster has to much power over the leauge and that they should only worry about their camera angles. However that also means that any intrested channel will demand a fully functional league where the only thing they have to provide is those camera crews. That means that someone will have to take care of the practical details. IEG have expressed no such intrest and we want to draw a paralell to other sports it would be Kespa's roll to make sure that all requirments are meet. I was under the impression that OGN/MBC still owned the areans where most games take place and still manage the hardware and advertising/information to fans? This is the most important question: Is Kespa 100 % sure that they are ready to take total controll over all those things? Starcraft may be able to take the step up to a professional sport but it's still a small market and a pretty young one. If Kespa isn't 100 % sure they can do it we should be worried. Another intresting point is that most of the teams in Kespa are not independant organisations like they are in other sports, but rather just a wing of a larger compaines promotional department. Being totally dependent on a sponsor means that the sponsor expects air time (which they had before) and stability in the leauge. Now I'm sure their sponsors are all aware of this but what I'm not sure about is how much extra they are prepared to pay to get a working leauge going. OGN/MBC seems to be thinking that Kespa is not able to provide the practical details of a working league and that no other broadcast station would be intrested in that ammount of work either. Considering their knowledge of the BW scence in Korea a logical assumption would be to belive that they are rigth. In that case you need them more than they need you. I'm not blaming IEG, from a buisness standpoint your position makes sense. I'm sure you would like to bring Starcraft to the international community but the fact is that you have to make Starcraft survive in Korea first. Which makes me think that there is a real risk here that your move could damage Starcraft badly because OGN/MBC can't survive without the proleauge and your succes basically hinges on the fact that Kespa can pick up the slack and handle everything themselves. Can they? | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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HyunG
Korea (South)205 Posts
AND if OGN/MBC did provide just the cameras and other broadcast companies, will the league will still be able to be held without much detractions? if answer is yes, then selling the rights for broadcast is fair. If answer is no, then i think you're taking a risk in hope that OGN/MBC would give in and pay for the broadcasting. This seems extremely unfair to OGN/MBC because they provide the venues and hardware and other things in putting on the show. (this is what i read here so i dunno if its true.) Will Kespa or IEG willing to buy these from OGN/MBC? Selling off the broadcast right to a league without property that the league runs on seems extremely stupid since the equipment will need to be rebought and re-rented, which would increase the cost greatly. What would exactly happen if OGN/MBC refused to buy the broadcast rights? OGN/MBC could screw IEG and Kespa and turn their venues into bigger starleague, then IEG would lose a ton of money, unless they were willing to start a new league themselves. They may lose sponsors, but i would think sponsors would be willing to change rather than support a company that imo immorally took over. I dunno exactly how the business world works since im a science major and didn't really study business, but it seems to me that IEG just wants to be in the middle and take some money. And it doesn't seem like it'll be true that MBC and OGN reps would just sit there while broadcast rights are being voted on? they probably voted but didn't get majority is my guess? its gonna also be interesting to see how IEG will expand e-sports. Other than china, i dont think there is any other places that have as strong support? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2901 Posts
So I guess they have some faith in themselves being able to manage the full leauge OR they have faith in IEG being able to get a broadcaster to commit as much as OGN/MBC OR they just hope OGN/MBC cave and give IEG some money. But OGN/MBC seems to be playing it hardball. | ||
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HyunG
Korea (South)205 Posts
Thats how i see it at least. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
In the same breath, if IEG is promising/suggesting VODs to the community, would those not have to come from either MBC/OGN who would be providing the broadcast in the first place? ...all this is making my head hurt, ill leave it to the suits to deal with :p | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
- KeSPA is a type of "players union" such that it consists of team representatives and their sponsors, as well as emissaries from the two broadcast companies, some third party sponsors, and is powered by funds from the Korean government. Essentially it's a committee that commands the flow of joint leagues such as Proleague. - OGN and MBC both own private leagues which they market relentlessly through commercials and player highlight programs, such as About Starcraft. They govern their respective leagues absolutely, and receive support from third party sponsors and players from KeSPA. - OGN and MBC came first, and birthed the televised league concept. Pro teams were formed and eventually sponsors emerged to sponsor these teams. When things started becoming more complicated and multiple leagues/tournaments began appearing due to increased demand, KeSPA was formed as a sort of regulatory entity. Through KeSPA, inter-channel leagues and events began to form, such as SuperFight and Proleague. - However, because MBC and OGN were no longer the two main voices in the league community, they began to resent KeSPA when KeSPA began overruling their concerns, primarily on the issue of broadcast rights. KeSPA then called MBC/OGN's bluff and initiated a broadcast auction, which went to IEG when MBC and OGN declined to bid on principle that the league system was created and popularized by them alone. There was probably a pact in place between MBC and OGN where both agreed not to bid, forcing KeSPA to relinquish broadcast rights to them and canceling the auction. They then had additional disgust for IEG, a company which appeared to come out of nowhere and accept the bid, and then won by default. - IEG has the capability to provide worldwide league coverage, but the structure of the league is undecided because the pre-existing leagues are under OGN/MBC format, who presumably will decline to participate unless they get free broadcast rights. This would mean that new broadcast channels would have to pay IEG to carry and create their own Starcraft leagues and league systems, and KeSPA is under contract with IEG so they have to provide the players and sponsors. - Supporters of MBC/OGN will probably boycott any channel that supports IEG, at least for a little while. OGN and MBC will likely lose much of their programming block. Depending on how the loss of viewers impacts them financially, OGN/MBC may buckle and agree to sign on with IEG, or perhaps appeal directly to KeSPA. They are gambling that nobody knows how big an impact a loss of Starcraft coverage will be until it happens. | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On February 23 2007 14:47 Kennigit wrote: Something popped into my head as i was cooking in regards to VODs and their legailty. If IEG is to own the rights to Proleague and MBC/OGN make the broadcast itself, then would it not be the responsibility of those two companies to "deal with" the VOD issue that has been raised (regarding legality). In the same breath, if IEG is promising/suggesting VODs to the community, would those not have to come from either MBC/OGN who would be providing the broadcast in the first place? ...all this is making my head hurt, ill leave it to the suits to deal with :p I guess this is my uneducated pitch at it, but I'm assuming the contracts/rights would be different for the different markets, and MBC/OGN would only get it for the domestic (Korean) market. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On February 23 2007 07:48 Wasabi wrote: god... This kind of reply is what you expect when you haven't read ANY of IEGbrook's posts (IE the first page). And he's posted a lot in this news article. i apologize for the unthought out comment, but to be fair, he did start posting on the third page, and the original posts did not point me to the light =( | ||
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starter[eTel]
Philippines50 Posts
On February 23 2007 03:03 Plexa wrote: Stuart; just wondering... you said IEG wants to try to spread SC more globally.. does this mean the possible inclusion of foreign maps into PL? I mean, something like a 2v2 map perhaps? I was just thinking that this is one way in which foreigners can be more including in these things and perhaps bring some more respect for us in general? Wow, IEG perhaps will be the bread and butter for the Starcraft community to spread. Ah yeah... | ||
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