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[WCS EU] Season 1 Finals - Day 1 - Round of Eight

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[WCS EU] Season 1 Finals - Day 1 - Round of Eight

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May 25th, 2013 00:18 GMT

2013 WCS Europe
Banner photos: ESL

Brackets and standings
via Liquipedia

Season 1 Finals: Day 1 Preview

by stuchiu and Waxangel

Ladies and gentlement, it's time. The first "Code S" of a region outside Korea, the WCS Europe Premier League, is approaching its grand finale. Seven of the best StarCraft II players in Europe, and one greatest player of all time, have gathered in Cologne to play out the final rounds of first WCS Europe season. Day one of the event features the quarter-final round, with four best-of-five series being played back to back. To the bracket!

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ua (Z)DIMAGA vs. [image loading] (T)Empire|Happy - 11:00 GMT (+00:00)

The first quarter-final match features a battle between Russia and Ukraine. DIMAGA, one of the most well-known and successful foreigners throughout StarCraft II, faces Happy, a player who is finally starting to attract a lot of international attention through the WCS Europe tournament.

If you ask DIMAGA, he'd probably say his chances are not good. Talking to Aceresports after getting through his Ro16 group, the Ukrainian mentioned that he loses around 80% of his games to Happy on the ladder. Looking at Happy's TvZ games throughout this tournament, it's not hard to see why. He played the marine-mine-medivac style very effectively, using great micro and multitasking to put his opponents in uncomfortable situations where he can trade efficiently. It's the most "Korean" style of TvZ we've seen from all the players in the tournament, except maybe MMA (who's actually Korean).

You might think DIMAGA is exaggerating a little with that 80% number, considering he managed to get all the way here by beating two excellent players in ThorZaIN and Mvp. But on the other hand, both of them played considerably different styles from Happy. ThorZaIN went for hellbat drops and more hellbat drops, which DIMAGA predicted and countered by playing roach and roach-hydra styles. As for Mvp, he had KR-EU lag to deal with, and played a more slow, methodical style reminiscent of WoL, making big, lumbering pushes with large armies. Neither of them played with the kind of aggressive mindset Happy showed in WCS.

The other thing that leads us to believe that DIMAGA is in for a lot of trouble is that Happy has not lost a single TvZ series to a European in HotS tournaments. Alright, so the linked Aligulac.com database isn't 100% comprehensive, but it does manage to catch most tournaments of note, including online cups some people have never heard of. Happy has defeated every single European Zerg he has faced since he started playing HotS, and against DIMAGA specifically, he is 2 - 0 (3 - 0 on maps).

Prediction: There's no doubt that Happy is a TvZ beast, whether you're checking his gameplay or checking his stats. DIMAGA might have beat more methodical Terrans in Mvp and ThorZaIN, but he will have trouble here. Look for Happy to play a lot of reaper-hellion openers into the MMM style, and maybe a mech style on one of the maps. As for DIMAGA, it's hard to know what approach he'll take. He may very well try to pull a Symbol and prepare a ton of early-mid game all-ins, which could work out well if he masks them carefully. If he wants to play straight up then muta-ling-bane is probably the way to go, but it's doubtful that he'll get far trying to stand and trade blows.

Happy 3 - 1 DIMAGA


de (Z)Liquid`TLO vs. kr (T)LG-IM_Mvp - 12:45 GMT (+00:00)

Since the second half of 2012, TLO has really come into his own. After facing speedbumps early on in his career, including a race change and severe wrist injury, he has finally started to release that potential so many players saw in at the very beginning of StarCraft II. Often typecast as a 'creative' player, TLO seems to play his strongest in standard games where he mixes in bits of his own personal style that allows him to surprise and ambush his opponents.

In a lot of ways, TLO is becoming the 'gatekeeper' of Europe. You always consider him one of the stronger players and someone you expect to pass the group stages with ease. But once the going gets tough, the tough beat on TLO. He’s made numerous good results, often dominating the group stages and reaching the bracket phases. However he has never reached the top four of what we would call a major tournament.

For TLO this will be his best chance to make the final push and establish himself as a championship contender. He has only played TvZ in this tournament and has sharpened it into his strongest weapon cutting through some of the best Terrans EU has to offer: Kas, ForGG and Strelok. His play against Bio has been very strong and standard. His play against mech is perfectly Zerg-like, with tech switches from mutalisks to swarm hosts to drops to broodlords. That will serve him well as he plays against the exiled King of GSL, Mvp.

What more can be said about Mvp? He is the greatest, and most mysterious of all SC2 champions. Most champions have had hot streaks, winning all of their championships during a short period where they were just playing the best SC2 of their life. Mvp is not most champions. 1 year ago, everyone thought he was done. His era was over and it was time for the next generation.

And then he made the comeback. He took out his would-be pretenders and swept them aside to take his 4th GSL. And he did it with iron resolve, mind games and willpower. That is the type of champion MVP is. No matter how much his mechanics declined, he could defeat his opponents by just being smarter, more intimidating, and totally fearless in finals.

Prediction: This is a quote often said by players of that era in pre-game interviews before they got slaughtered by Mvp, “Oh Mvp is good. I mean he’s won the most titles, but there’s really nothing special about his macro or micro. I should win this 3-0, but maybe it’ll be 3-1. Cause he is Mvp.” Mvp has an ineffable quality to him that makes him wins games. And while those days seem long behind him, he showed he still has some of that left in him as he used star sense to kill SaSe. So while I think TLO will take this, anything can happen when Mvp is playing.

TLO 3 - 2 Mvp


es (T)K3.LucifroN vs. kr (T)Mill.ForGG - 14:30 GMT (+00:00)

Sometimes people just get lucky. Just ask Socke, the one time champion of the only Coin Toss tournament ever run. Other people just have no such luck. Just ask Bischu, who got coin tossed out of a Dreamhack after playing only a few tiebreaks and then subsequently lost the coin toss tournament where he was seeded into the finals.

You could say Bischu was unlucky, but at least he's not Lucifron. The Spanish Terran spent the last year of WoL constantly eliminating or being eliminated by his brother VortiX. At Dreamhack, he got coin tossed out and hasn't even gotten a coin toss tournament as an apology. Now he’s drawn the one player in the tournament he believes to be the best Terran in Europe. Yup, he's up against ForGG, the Korean of France, the man with a 90% TvT winrate and who is just a few games away from causing ForGGeddon. In some ways this will almost be like a team kill. Both players frequently use ladder to practice and at the very top of the EU ladder stand the 3 IIIIIIIII Terrans: ForGG, Lucifron and Happy. Even just head-to-head Lucifron knows this will be hard as he admitted that ForGG beats him about 60:40.

Prediction: To Hellbat drop or not to Hellbat drop? While Lucifron is a big proponent of the Hellbats, ForGG opts to play anti-hellbat drop. But with the both players being so close to each other in skill and this just being a bo5, anything goes. If Lucifron can pull out another one-shot strategy like his proxy Thor rush against Happy, he could win this handily. If not, he should try to coerce Seltzer to come to the studio and give ForGG another one of her kisses of death. With so many hellbats, medivacs, and so much bad luck flying around, anything goes and this match is nearly impossible to predict. So I flipped a coin. Sorry Lucifron.

ForGG 3 - 2 Lucifron


fr (Z)EG.Stephano.RC vs. dk (P)Na`Vi.BabyKnight - 16:15 GMT (+00:00)

The final Ro8 match is the only one that's a rematch from an earlier round. Back in the Ro32, BabyKnight defeated Stephano 2 - 0 to take the #1 spot in his group and advance to the Ro16. It looked like a straight-forward, impressive win for BabyKnight, who overwhelmed Stephano's swarm-host corruptor turtling on Akilon Wastes, and then crushed him with blink-stalkers on Daybreak. However, it wasn't without a little bit of controversy, as BabyKnight took issue with some perceived excuse-making from Stephano. Thankfully this is one of those rare occasions where we can actually settle a dispute in-game, with several thousands of dollars on the line ($3.5k+ to be more specific[/url]).

At first glance, things look pretty good for BabyKnight. He won convincingly in his earlier series against Stephano, in both long and short games, and was very good against VortiX in the Ro16 as well. The most striking thing about BabyKnight's PvZ's in WCS so far is that he seems to have a better sense than his peers about how to put together efficient compositions, with just enough of each unit he needs to defeat whatever his opponent happens to have assembled. He also has a good repertoire of timing attacks, including some of the gate-first builds that are vexing Zerg players everywhere.

Stephano's preferred HotS ZvP style is the remarkably boring swarm-host turtling. You can't blame Zergs for using it, given how effective it's proven to be, but you get the feeling it's headed in the direction of brood lord-infestor. While it was good enough to chip Grubby and Feast to death, BabyKnight showed he could deal with the composition much more efficiently in their one meeting. Also, Stephano is showing a lot more weakness than before to early game attacks. He's still generally good on defense, but he's not totally bullet-proof like he was against the all-ins of the WoL era.

Prediction: Overall, it looks like BabyKnight has all the weapons to defeat a diminished Stephano. However, we just can't predict against Stephano until he conclusively shows he's lost it. Yeah, he's fallen from his peak where he ruled Europe with an iron fist, but even Stephano at 75% of his prime would be a contender on the continent.

In a strange way, Stephano's 2013 is like Mvp's 2012. He's much diminished from his prime where he crushed all comers, but he still commands a lot of respect. Even if his gameplay is weaker, you believe he has the confidence, experience, and mental strength to make it through. Stephano until proven otherwise.

Stephano 3 - 2 BabyKnight


Writers: stuchiu and Waxangel.
Photos: ESL and Jiuguang Wang.
Editor: Waxangel.
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ilraheeb
Profile Joined August 2012
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 00:22:48
May 25 2013 00:21 GMT
#2
Poor TLO, it will be hard for him to focus when Bayern v Dortmund is tomorrow.
Leave Nothing.
Xerxes657
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
May 25 2013 00:24 GMT
#3
[image loading] Confused me for a second...
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33316 Posts
May 25 2013 00:28 GMT
#4
On May 25 2013 09:24 Xerxes657 wrote:
[image loading] Confused me for a second...


I'll call it an FP update bug
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 25 2013 00:34 GMT
#5
ForGG is French not Spaniard !
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 25 2013 00:39 GMT
#6
GOGO TLO!
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 25 2013 00:47 GMT
#7
Hoping for a TLO Victory this season! That would be so sick for him
Jaedong <3
Baalthersar
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany239 Posts
May 25 2013 00:53 GMT
#8
Nice summary, one thing though. Didn't TLO beat Naniwa this tournament?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 25 2013 00:57 GMT
#9
I think people might be overestimating TLO's chances, and underestimating Mvp. Again
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
May 25 2013 01:09 GMT
#10
I really want to see TLO getting a good result. Will be hard but TLO has a good chance to beat his opponent!
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
May 25 2013 01:29 GMT
#11
My predictions:
Happy 3 - 1 Dimaga since he's playing his best matchup against Dima.
Really huge chance for multiple flames and drops through all the series.
TLO 1 - 3 Mvp TLO basically hardcounters Mvp as a player, but once Mvp's in his reign (Bo5 or superior) there's nothing you can do about that. Plus, being in europe Mvp can actually study his opponent. But again, TLO sometimes goes full random and you can't really predict a series like that. I suspect Mvp will prepare a lot of mid game all-in or be open to transition into all-in whenever possible. Let's see...
Lucifron vs ForGG No idea, may the better player win. I don't like ForGG as a player that much, but not respecting his TvT win rate would be ridiculous.
Still hoping for Luci because if there's someone who can do it (and deserves it) it's him.
BabyKnight 1 - 3 Stephano because the higher the prizepool, the more Stephano focuses.
This is one of the last chances of still get lots of dosh and Stephano doesn't dicks around when money's involved.
At least, not every time
But BabyK will make it hard, so may the better player win.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 25 2013 01:30 GMT
#12
TLO 3-0 Mvp
Happy 3-0 Dimaga
Stephano 2-3 babyk
lucifron 3-0 forgg yo
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SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 25 2013 01:33 GMT
#13
Dimaga 3 - 2 Happy
Gotta figure that Dimaga is doing his research on Happy, who remains predictable.

TLO 3 - 1 MVP
It's TLO's time. Everyone always underestimates him. Always. Not anymore, he deserves this, and MVP not looking nearly as sharp as he used to be.

Lucifron 3 - 2 ForGG
Very tough to call this one, but have to give the creative European a slight edge.

Stephano 3 - 0 BabyKnight
Seems like Stephano has ZvP down very well now based on his recent play.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 25 2013 01:58 GMT
#14
Not so sure about MVP vs TLO. MVP is really hard to beat in a BO5/BO7. Hoping tho.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
May 25 2013 02:19 GMT
#15
I don't see mvp losing another series from this point onwards... :S bet against him all you want, he'll prove you wrong time and time again
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
May 25 2013 02:33 GMT
#16
Its always going to be Mvp <3
<3 Hyvaa
BlackPride
Profile Joined July 2012
United States186 Posts
May 25 2013 02:40 GMT
#17
TLO is the best he's ever been. MVP is the worst he's ever been. Easy series for TLO.
I've never waited in line at the DMV [YVNG]
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
May 25 2013 03:01 GMT
#18
lol Mvp looks so much more superior than the others. only cause i still haven't given up on his godly-ness
rip prime
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 25 2013 03:03 GMT
#19
gogogo yoorooppp!
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
May 25 2013 03:33 GMT
#20
Such a fantastic write-up for such a fantastic group of players... god I wish I didn't work tomorrow
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
shikasta
Profile Joined December 2012
Argentina3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 04:41:55
May 25 2013 04:38 GMT
#21
lailaiwd
Profile Joined October 2012
United States65 Posts
May 25 2013 04:48 GMT
#22
anyone saying Mvp's not good must be insane. Look at his recent results, winning go4sc2 without dropping a single map
In Mvp I trust.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
May 25 2013 05:07 GMT
#23
So I flipped a coin. Sorry Lucifron.

HAHAHAHA this was pretty good
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 25 2013 05:29 GMT
#24
Ah people everywhere are starting to doubt mvp again and think his era is over, lets see him prove everyone wrong once again!
gogogo mvp!!!!
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Chigum
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia3 Posts
May 25 2013 05:45 GMT
#25
Adidas.DIMAGA, calling it now
Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
May 25 2013 06:26 GMT
#26
Mvp vs. TLO is heartbreaking either way it goes.

Never bet against mvp.
ELlminator1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia344 Posts
May 25 2013 07:07 GMT
#27
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
May 25 2013 07:10 GMT
#28
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.

Ok then! Bon appétit!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
May 25 2013 07:22 GMT
#29
Dimaga-TLO-Lucifron-Stephano would be a crazy ro4 for europe.

Altough it looks hard for luci and TLO to make it through , I still have hopes though.
Icemind
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany570 Posts
May 25 2013 07:29 GMT
#30
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.

Can i quote you on that?
Neonico
Profile Joined May 2013
France24 Posts
May 25 2013 08:07 GMT
#31
My predictions :

TLO < MVP : I have alot of respect for TLO's actual shape, he is as good as he has never been, but i still think he hasn't what it takes to beat the best player in the world. And he isn't that good in championship brackets play, while it's MVP's playground, so I'll go with MVP on this one.

Dimaga < Happy : Considering how Happy's TvZ is actually, i see an easy win from Happy in this one. I consider that it's allready a nice surprise to see DIMAGA going through Ro16 group play.

Stephano > Babyknight : there is a really really big difference in Stephano's ZvP comprehension between the match babyknight won in group stage and it's actual comprehension of the matchup. you allways have the all-in factor from protoss, especially in a Bo5, but even against this, Stephano shown that he is ready. I cannot go against him in this match.

Lucifron < ForGG : Just because he's the Millenium player, and his TvT is just unreal actually, I have to go with ForGG there. Considering how well he plays actually, he's even my favourite to win the whole thing actually.

Anyway, it will be a sick weekend of Starcraft 2. I'm really happy how WCS turned out to be a great tournament, especially in Korea (but we all know how good GSL is) and in Europe.
And I want Stephano to qualify for the Europe Final so badly... It's perhaps what could keep in in the game, even without a team.
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
May 25 2013 08:10 GMT
#32
TvT Ro4 incoming ...
21 is half the truth
epicanthic
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong295 Posts
May 25 2013 08:26 GMT
#33
Gotta love that picture of TLO in the banner photos.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 08:42:59
May 25 2013 08:41 GMT
#34
People are forggeting that LucifroN is 100% vs. ForGG in tournament games. :D
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=&before=&players=lucifron
forgg&eventtext=&bo=all&offline=both&game=all



And to the writers, when you refer to someones match history saying stuff like: "Has not lost a HotS TvZ versus a non-korean". Please use the right link.

http://aligulac.com/players/95/results/?after=&before=&race=z&nats=foreigners&bo=all&offline=both&game=HotS
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 25 2013 08:52 GMT
#35
Damn, I will miss the final match though I am sure the first 3 will deliver.
Hantypen
Profile Joined January 2013
Norway17 Posts
May 25 2013 08:56 GMT
#36
Winner of ForrGG - LucifroN wins it all! That match is going to be sick!
Other predictions: Happy > Dimaga, Mvp > TLO, Stephano >Babyknight
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
May 25 2013 09:15 GMT
#37
On May 25 2013 17:10 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
TvT Ro4 incoming ...

There can be TvT in top bracket (Happy vs. Mvp)
But not in lower bracket since the winner of ForGG vs. LucifroN plays either Stephano or BabyKnight
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
May 25 2013 09:33 GMT
#38
It's a great day when you can predict TLO over MVP wholeheartedly.
BlueLagoon
Profile Joined February 2011
France28 Posts
May 25 2013 09:39 GMT
#39
I love to see TLO going through this tough game ! He can do it. He never played so well since he played some Big Mech games! MVP is a decent player to face off... no one can predict the end of the story but TLO can mark the HotS young history!!

GOGOGO TLO, For the swarm.

Also support: ForGG / Dimaga and Stephano for a 3Z 1T round of 4 !!
tahiti
ELlminator1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia344 Posts
May 25 2013 09:45 GMT
#40
On May 25 2013 16:29 Icemind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.

Can i quote you on that?

You just did :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
May 25 2013 10:13 GMT
#41
Great write-up.

Good insights, relevant information, a bit of hype, I love it!

Overall, I agree with the predictions, with a twist :
Happy > Dimaga
TLO > Mvp
ForGG > Lucifron
BabyKnight > Stephano
Arantior
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark5 Posts
May 25 2013 10:18 GMT
#42
On May 25 2013 10:33 SCST wrote:
Dimaga 3 - 2 Happy
Gotta figure that Dimaga is doing his research on Happy, who remains predictable.

TLO 3 - 1 MVP
It's TLO's time. Everyone always underestimates him. Always. Not anymore, he deserves this, and MVP not looking nearly as sharp as he used to be.

Lucifron 3 - 2 ForGG
Very tough to call this one, but have to give the creative European a slight edge.

Stephano 3 - 0 BabyKnight
Seems like Stephano has ZvP down very well now based on his recent play.


I can agree to most of this, but I don't believe that Stephano, brilliant as he may be, will take BabyK 3-0. He might prepare better for this encounter, but I still think BabyK can take him. I know BabyK is a newcomer and when compared to Stephano, he's not really that noteworthy, but he has proven himself in this WCS. However, I can see them both advancing, so I'll hold my tongue and just have fun watching the games and rooting for BabyK (Gotta root for my countryman)
Mess with me and I'll be terran you a new one!
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 25 2013 10:27 GMT
#43
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.

Get some spices ready and please be so kind to make a video of it.
You underestimate TLO's current TvZ form and overestimate MVP's overall form. I still think MVP will take the series - he is a mastermind after all - but it will be quite close.
MVP 3 : TLO 2
I hope for TLO though, even though I love MVP and despise Z, but you gotta like TLO, such a hard worker and intelligent player.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 25 2013 10:31 GMT
#44
I think Mvp even in his worst state could 3-0 TLO in the best shape. Mvp almost took down Life which was much more superior than him mechanically in the final when Mvp was in the worst of his form..
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 25 2013 10:32 GMT
#45
I want both Mvp and TLO to do well. Damnit. I mean... predicting against Mvp is something you just never do, ever. So I'm gonna say 3-2 Mvp
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cheerful
Profile Joined December 2012
78 Posts
May 25 2013 10:36 GMT
#46
I don't really understand why people are underestimating mvp so much.. sure it would be nice to have TLO win, but come on.
eipeifeetS
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands17 Posts
May 25 2013 10:39 GMT
#47
Starting soon, GET HYPEDDDD
yoshi7319
Profile Joined December 2011
76 Posts
May 25 2013 10:51 GMT
#48
Considering he´s gone out of so many tournaments 3rd placed in groupstages just due to mapscore in recent months using Socke as an example of someone who "gets lucky" seems a bit weird....just sayin´, cointoss or not.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 25 2013 10:52 GMT
#49
im hypin this one cant wait!
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SC2_Comeback
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany19 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 10:54:26
May 25 2013 10:54 GMT
#50
Holy Shit...WCS Europe finals, Championsleague FInal and the F1 GP of Monaco in one Weekend...gonna be insane
eipeifeetS
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands17 Posts
May 25 2013 10:58 GMT
#51
Hope the stream will run smoothly today, WCS EU stream is having some hickups for me lately.
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
May 25 2013 11:05 GMT
#52
woah TLO wont be able to watch football, and nobody in europe gonna watch his match :/
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 11:19:53
May 25 2013 11:17 GMT
#53
On May 25 2013 19:51 yoshi7319 wrote:
Considering he´s gone out of so many tournaments 3rd placed in groupstages just due to mapscore in recent months using Socke as an example of someone who "gets lucky" seems a bit weird....just sayin´, cointoss or not.


Yes, that bothers me as well, Socke is the guy, who always end up last in a three-way-tie for two spots in the next round, calling him lucky, really does´nt fit.

On May 25 2013 20:05 3point14 wrote:
woah TLO wont be able to watch football, and nobody in europe gonna watch his match :/


His match is scheduled 6 hours before the CL-Final, so if he wants to watch it, that should´nt be a problem.
eipeifeetS
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands17 Posts
May 25 2013 11:38 GMT
#54
DIMA!
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
May 25 2013 12:21 GMT
#55
On May 25 2013 09:21 ilraheeb wrote:
Poor TLO, it will be hard for him to focus when Bayern v Dortmund is tomorrow.


It's today, actually^^
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
May 25 2013 12:39 GMT
#56
Being Russian is always such a disappointment. our pros just waste time playing sc2, NEVER won a lan.... just sad how much they suck over all.
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
May 25 2013 12:55 GMT
#57
On May 25 2013 20:17 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 19:51 yoshi7319 wrote:
Considering he´s gone out of so many tournaments 3rd placed in groupstages just due to mapscore in recent months using Socke as an example of someone who "gets lucky" seems a bit weird....just sayin´, cointoss or not.


Yes, that bothers me as well, Socke is the guy, who always end up last in a three-way-tie for two spots in the next round, calling him lucky, really does´nt fit.

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 20:05 3point14 wrote:
woah TLO wont be able to watch football, and nobody in europe gonna watch his match :/


His match is scheduled 6 hours before the CL-Final, so if he wants to watch it, that should´nt be a problem.


thought it was European 8.45 pm but its American 8.45 am :/
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
May 25 2013 12:59 GMT
#58
Wow this is amazingly well done. Great content between matches. I'm impressed.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
May 25 2013 13:00 GMT
#59
Haha, MVP says he's unpredictable in an interview about his match against TLO. No.
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
May 25 2013 13:28 GMT
#60
Lucifron - ForGG

0 - 3

EZPEZ, no idea how lucifron made it this far. I think he might not even show up to the games, seeing as he is in over his head by a huge margin!
-,-
hawk123
Profile Joined July 2009
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:31:20
May 25 2013 13:30 GMT
#61
On May 25 2013 22:28 SayTT wrote:
Lucifron - ForGG

0 - 3

EZPEZ, no idea how lucifron made it this far. I think he might not even show up to the games, seeing as he is in over his head by a huge margin!

Stop trolling. Forgg may win because his Tvt is godly but lucifron is the best foreigner at the moment and if he's not its a close 2-3
If you aren't the best, you aren't shit
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
May 25 2013 13:50 GMT
#62
On May 25 2013 11:40 BlackPride wrote:
TLO is the best he's ever been. MVP is the worst he's ever been. Easy series for TLO.


heh.
Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 13:59:27
May 25 2013 13:52 GMT
#63
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.


Congrats ; )

Lesson of the day: never bet against Mvp

edit: If you had to stake your life on a SC2 series, and you could choose any player to represent you - hands down Mvp would be my choice. He is Mr. Clutch
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
May 25 2013 13:58 GMT
#64
i thought Wax said before he'd never bet against MVP or was that just for last year?
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ELlminator1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia344 Posts
May 25 2013 13:58 GMT
#65
On May 25 2013 22:52 Obender99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.


Congrats ; )


Thank you. I really like my shirts. I didn't expect the games to be so one sided. I feel bad for TLO.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
May 25 2013 14:02 GMT
#66
[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I really like my shirts. I didn't expect the games to be so one sided. I feel bad for TLO.[/QUOTE]

Yea, was a lose-lose series for me too
Chloroplaste
Profile Joined February 2011
France281 Posts
May 25 2013 14:17 GMT
#67
WCS EU is amazing so far ! ESL really put amazing choice and effort into production.
RandyL
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia148 Posts
May 25 2013 14:51 GMT
#68
dem thor drops omg intense tvt
BurNIng your soul.
Manegok
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland9 Posts
May 25 2013 15:10 GMT
#69
Am I the only one who would like to see BabyKnight winning with Stephano?
RandyL
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia148 Posts
May 25 2013 15:24 GMT
#70
also it's very painful to hear just how biased the audience is towards the foreigners, like cmon it's to the point where they are barely even cheering the korean victors
BurNIng your soul.
Azaiya
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom33 Posts
May 25 2013 15:29 GMT
#71
I can't believe Europes most prestigious sc2 finals event is going to crown its champ in a theme bar in cologne. Effectively WCS barcraft champion.
What happened to all the arena venus of last years WCS. Has SC2 really fallen so low that they can't get an audience to at least fill a theatre like Iron Squid?
There is only going to be 3 WCS finals in europe this year and if this is anything to go by, none will be held in an arena,... I am gobsmacked by how far things have fallen from last year.
Khoradril
Profile Joined May 2013
4 Posts
May 25 2013 15:30 GMT
#72
Such an amazing come back by ForGG !
Rastem
Profile Joined April 2013
Poland2 Posts
May 25 2013 15:32 GMT
#73
I agree with RandyL. I'm just glad I have an opportunity to watch MVP's brilliance. I don't care if he's European or not.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
May 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#74
On May 26 2013 00:29 Azaiya wrote:
I can't believe Europes most prestigious sc2 finals event is going to crown its champ in a theme bar in cologne. Effectively WCS barcraft champion.
What happened to all the arena venus of last years WCS. Has SC2 really fallen so low that they can't get an audience to at least fill a theatre like Iron Squid?
There is only going to be 3 WCS finals in europe this year and if this is anything to go by, none will be held in an arena,... I am gobsmacked by how far things have fallen from last year.

There are 3 WCS EU's.

I am sure the Season 2 or 3 finale which will be held in Europe will have a bigger event.
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Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
May 25 2013 16:33 GMT
#75
On May 25 2013 10:33 SCST wrote:
Dimaga 3 - 2 Happy
Gotta figure that Dimaga is doing his research on Happy, who remains predictable.

TLO 3 - 1 MVP
It's TLO's time. Everyone always underestimates him. Always. Not anymore, he deserves this, and MVP not looking nearly as sharp as he used to be.

Lucifron 3 - 2 ForGG
Very tough to call this one, but have to give the creative European a slight edge.

Stephano 3 - 0 BabyKnight
Seems like Stephano has ZvP down very well now based on his recent play.



#1 Rule of Mvp: Never underestimate Mvp
#2 Rule of Mvp: Never ever understimate Mvp
#3 Rule of Mvp: Stop doing this already -.-
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 25 2013 16:39 GMT
#76
On May 26 2013 01:33 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 10:33 SCST wrote:
Dimaga 3 - 2 Happy
Gotta figure that Dimaga is doing his research on Happy, who remains predictable.

TLO 3 - 1 MVP
It's TLO's time. Everyone always underestimates him. Always. Not anymore, he deserves this, and MVP not looking nearly as sharp as he used to be.

Lucifron 3 - 2 ForGG
Very tough to call this one, but have to give the creative European a slight edge.

Stephano 3 - 0 BabyKnight
Seems like Stephano has ZvP down very well now based on his recent play.



#1 Rule of Mvp: Never underestimate Mvp
#2 Rule of Mvp: Never ever understimate Mvp
#3 Rule of Mvp: Stop doing this already -.-


A true Mvp fan knows he gets stronger the more people underestimate him.
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Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
May 25 2013 16:42 GMT
#77
Mvp - Stephano final!!!
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
May 25 2013 17:21 GMT
#78
somebody sais that top4 gonna be only koreans....no..
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 25 2013 17:55 GMT
#79
nice prediction waxangel
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
May 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#80
Wax needs to make more of these predictions. The last time Wax horribly underestimated MVP, the guy stomped everybody at IEM.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 25 2013 18:47 GMT
#81
People underestimated Mvp again, and overestimated TLO again.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
yoojaein0131
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada7 Posts
May 25 2013 19:06 GMT
#82
On May 25 2013 16:10 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 16:07 ELlminator1 wrote:
Saying TLO will beat Mvp is madness. If he takes a game off Mvp I will eat my shirt.

Ok then! Bon appétit!


turns out no eating shirt for the man LOL
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 25 2013 19:11 GMT
#83
On May 26 2013 02:55 Dodgin wrote:
nice prediction waxangel


Hey he got 50% right that's a lot more then usually
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 22:24:09
May 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#84
(nevermind)
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 00:09 GMT
#85
Mvpppppp! :D

That's why you never bet against the King.
Long live the King of Wings
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
May 26 2013 02:39 GMT
#86
TLO ;(

Didn't we say somewhere that Wax wasn't allowed to participate in a write up that went against MVP?
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Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
May 26 2013 06:42 GMT
#87
Prediction: This is a quote often said by players of that era in pre-game interviews before they got slaughtered by Mvp, “Oh Mvp is good. I mean he’s won the most titles, but there’s really nothing special about his macro or micro. I should win this 3-0, but maybe it’ll be 3-1. Cause he is Mvp.” Mvp has an ineffable quality to him that makes him wins games. And while those days seem long behind him, he showed he still has some of that left in him as he used star sense to kill SaSe. So while I think TLO will take this, anything can happen when Mvp is playing.

TLO 3 - 2 Mvp


SHUN! SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
May 26 2013 07:38 GMT
#88
Where are the recap and day 2 previews?
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
May 26 2013 17:01 GMT
#89
On May 26 2013 00:24 RandyL wrote:
also it's very painful to hear just how biased the audience is towards the foreigners, like cmon it's to the point where they are barely even cheering the korean victors



i'm ok with this, if i'm honest.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#90
On May 26 2013 11:39 Alryk wrote:
TLO ;(

Didn't we say somewhere that Wax wasn't allowed to participate in a write up that went against MVP?


I think stuchiu wrote that particular one. Either way, I think that ended in 2012.
AdministratorBreak the chains
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 27 2013 03:03 GMT
#91
On May 27 2013 05:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 11:39 Alryk wrote:
TLO ;(

Didn't we say somewhere that Wax wasn't allowed to participate in a write up that went against MVP?


I think stuchiu wrote that particular one. Either way, I think that ended in 2012.


Revese jinx!!!
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hehewangbing
Profile Joined May 2013
Albania4 Posts
May 27 2013 06:15 GMT
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