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[WCS EU] Ro16 - Group C Preview/Group B Recap (S1)

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[WCS EU] Ro16 - Group C Preview/Group B Recap (S1)

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May 16th, 2013 10:35 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 1 - Premier League




Ro16: Group B Recap
Happy and BabyKnight advance.


Ro16: Group C Preview
Mvp, SaSe, Nerchio, Lucifron


Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Premier League Ro16:
Group B Recap

by Waxangel

Results from Live Report Thread by ibo422.
+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
Happy vs. VortiX
(T)Happy < Daybreak > (Z)VortiX
(T)Happy < Bel'Shir Vestige > (Z)VortiX
(T)Happy < Neo Planet S > (Z)VortiX

Happy wins 2-0!

NaNiwa vs. BabyKnight
(P)NaNiwa < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)BabyKnight
(P)NaNiwa < Akilon Wastes > (P)BabyKnight
(P)NaNiwa < Star Station > (P)BabyKnight

BabyKnight wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(T)Happy < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)BabyKnight
(T)Happy < Akilon Wastes > (P)BabyKnight
(T)Happy < Daybreak > (P)BabyKnight

Happy wins 2-0 and advances!

Losers' Match
(Z)VortiX < Star Station > (P)NaNiwa
(Z)VortiX < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)NaNiwa
(Z)VortiX < Newkirk Precinct > (P)NaNiwa

VortiX wins 2-0 and NaNiwa is eliminated!

Final Match
(P)BabyKnight < Bel'Shir Vestige > (Z)VortiX
(P)BabyKnight < Daybreak > (Z)VortiX
(P)BabyKnight < Star Station > (Z)VortiX

BabyKnight wins 2-1 and advances. VortiX is eliminated from the Premier Division!



\o/ Happy \o/ and BabyKnight advance to Quarterfinals!


(T)Empire|Happy surprises with first place finish, (P)Na`Vi.BabyKnight comes in second place in Group B.

After (P)Alliance.NaNiwa's second place finish at DreamHack Stockholm, many saw him as one of the favorites at WCS Europe. Alas, it was not to be, as consecutive losses to BabyKnight and VortiX saw the Swede fall down to the Challenger League. Instead, it was the 2012 WCS Russia runner-up (T)Empire|Happy who took top honors in group B, not dropping a single map as he earned himself a quarter-final spot.

Great fundamental HotS Terran play allowed Happy to get by his first opponent (Z)K3.VortiX, as he used the power of drops and widow mines to the fullest. Even going down several dozen supply to a baneling bust couldn't faze Happy, as he powered his way back with methodical drops. It was basically the same story against BabyKnight, as Happy used the power of drops to the fullest to make the Danish Protoss miserable. Overall, Happy brought an overpowering brand of standard Terran play that his opponents could not overcome.

The second place spot in the group was decided in a close battle between VortiX and BabyKnight, who had both defeated NaNiwa earlier in the group. After trading a map piece in two quick games, BabyKnight came out on top in the final set as his combined Protoss army ripped VortiX apart before he could successfully transition into hive units.

Round of 16: Group C Preview

by Waxangel

kr (T)LG-IM_Mvp

We've already seen one Korean great from the past fall in MMA – now all eyes are turned to see if Mvp will suffer the same fate. Actually, Mvp would probably laugh at the comparison. He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace, and he used his veteran savvy to stay in title contention during the BL-Infestor era while MMA was nailed to Code B.

It's undeniable that Mvp has looked bad both on paper and in terms of gameplay over the last six months, possibly worse than he has in his entire SC2 career. Forget the IEM World Championship, a tournament that took place under special circumstances (before HotS release), the results of which have proven to be an awful indicator of HotS form. If you take that away, you're left with a player that got knocked out of Iron Squid by Goswser, went 0 – 4 in the Blizzard Cup, and fell instantly from Code S to Code B at the hands of soO, Keen, and RorO. He recently lost to Scarlett in the GSTL, and was crushed by DIMAGA in the Ro32 of WCS EU (albeit, there was KR-EU lag).

All that said, he's getting through this group. Even with the infamous KR-EU lag, he managed to take out Siw and Socke to progress through his Ro32 group. Also, he's f***ing Mvp, the greatest player to ever play StarCraft II. The last time we doubted him and said he was finished as a competitive player, he killed everyone at IEM Cologne and won the championship. No further questions will be taken.


se (P)Fnatic.SaSe

SaSe has the misfortune of being the first player to take on Mvp, but if we had to give any player from this group the nod to beat the 4-time champ, it would have to be SaSe. The Swede's ability to bring clever, effective builds – whether they're all-ins or greedy set-ups (or some weird combination of the two) – is well-known and admired. While he preferred to play more normal-ish games in the Ro32, this series is the perfect place to bust out something unusual. Remember, SaSe was the player who immortaled a prime-Stephano to death before the words Soul Train existed, and was one of the few to briefly put the summer of TaeJa '12 on ice (a two base blink-stalker build did the trick).

Of course, we can't talk about SaSe without the usual lines about inconsistency in big tournaments and big matches. What can we say, that's what the tournament results for his career show. However, he's been on a pretty good roll in HotS so far, killing his Ro32 group with wins against ForGG and Slivko, and then making it to the Ro16 of DreamHack Stockholm with wins against Nerchio, Jaedong, Goswser, and ForGG along the way. If he can beat Mvp here, then I don't see who can stop SaSe in this entire tournament outside of PvP.


es (T)K3.LucifroN

Lucifron was our pick as 'best post-HotS' foreigner when online results were all we could go by in Europe, but unfortunately he didn't get to prove his live stage chops at DreamHack: Stockholm. As many of you may have heard, he fell victim to the worst rule that exists in any professional competition anywhere in the world, as DreamHack coin-flipped for the winners of his Ro64 group after two rounds of tiebreakers were inconclusive (even more embarrassing because it already happened to DreamHack before). Strelok and YuGiOh were luckier than Lucifron, and thus they progressed to get eliminated in the Ro32, probably because they were afraid that Lucifron might hit them with a chair at any moment.

In any case, Lucifron has some sick online results in HotS, and it wasn't any surprise that he destroyed Bly and Happy to reach the Ro16. While multi-prong harass and relentless working hunting has become the EU Terran norm, Lucifron was doing all of that of that way before it was cool, making him the 'Gumiho of Europe' if you will. Back at his first live event since DreamHack: Stockholm, Lucifron will look to right the wrongs committed against him and prove that he is the #1 non-Korean player in the world.


[image loading] (Z)Acer.Nerchio

You know it's a tough group when Nerchio looks like the weakest player. Kas's comments on Nerchio's work ethic made the rounds on Reddit, and while we're sure the Ukrainian Terran has to be exaggerating (right?), what he said was not all that surprising. Nerchio's results have been decided 'decent' since the release of HotS, no longer at a level of a player we called a top 3 foreigner at times. A lack of practice combined with a lack of BL-infestor would certainly explain it.

That didn't stop Nerchio from making his way through his RO32 group, where he defeated Dayshi and Monchi to take second place to VortiX. Even if he's not at his peak powers, Nerchio is still talented enough to give all three of these guys some serious trouble. With the tremendous efficiency of hellbats and widow mines posing a problem for Nerchio, well calculated all-ins could be his best chance of going through a group with Mvp and Lucifron.


Overall Predictions:

Until doctors reveal that Mvp has the cartilage and nerve health of an 80 year old with arthritis, we just can't pick against him. As cliche as it always sounds, he just knows how to win. We're torn between SaSe and Lucifron as the second place finisher, but the fact that SaSe is starting against Mvp, and that Lucifron has karma on his side makes us go with the Spaniard.

Mvp > SaSe
Lucifron > Nerchio
Mvp > Lucifron
SaSe > Nerchio
Lucifron > SaSe

Mvp and Lucifron advance.


Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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RandyL
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia148 Posts
May 16 2013 10:44 GMT
#2
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?
BurNIng your soul.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
May 16 2013 10:44 GMT
#3
Thanks for the write up!
really hoping to see mvp come out better than he did last round.
i have lucifron winning the group and mvp taking 2nd... again.
as for group b, im still dazed that naniwa and vortix are out. its ... just... idk crazy.
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 16 2013 10:47 GMT
#4
gogo luci/sase!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 10:51:14
May 16 2013 10:49 GMT
#5
On May 16 2013 19:44 RandyL wrote:
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?


www.twitch.tv

the time till match start can be seen at the side of the very page you are on now.
see the calendar on the right side close to the top? right below it is Featured On Air (which shows whats on now) and Upcoming Events. Click on [More] and browse through looking for whatever it is your looking for.

WCS EU group C is in 5h 15 min
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
eonrulz
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom225 Posts
May 16 2013 10:54 GMT
#6
Welp, so far I've managed to get every single WCS EU Ro16 group wrong, so given that I'm betting on Mvp and Lucifron as well, chances are good that SaSe and Nerchio will get through.

(I <3 SaSe though, so I'd be happy with that :D)
Boop!
mortar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden82 Posts
May 16 2013 10:57 GMT
#7
No. Because: SaSe.
The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4746 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 11:04:36
May 16 2013 11:04 GMT
#8
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

Also:Go Nerchio!
Pathetic Greta hater.
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
May 16 2013 11:29 GMT
#9
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 16 2013 11:54 GMT
#10
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 12:00:00
May 16 2013 11:58 GMT
#11
On May 16 2013 19:44 RandyL wrote:
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412957
All the info you need, streams are linked in the first post!

Thanks for the preview, Wax, this is the group I'm most excited for and probably the one I'm most emotionally invested in, too. I want LucifroN to win so badly, hope he doesn't choke.

If he doesn't choke, he wins, because he's better than both Nerchio and SaSe for sure atm in my opinion, not clear about Mvp as always because he played only four offline maps against real opponents in the last two months and one easy Bo3 against the punching bag that is MarineKing.
Artikka
Profile Joined March 2013
Kazakhstan1 Post
May 16 2013 12:03 GMT
#12
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video! NANIWA BM VIDEO
"It's not a joke, it's your life"
lue
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden27 Posts
May 16 2013 12:08 GMT
#13
MVP places first cause hes.. well, MVP.

Then Lucifron in 2nd cause of hellbats.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 16 2013 12:10 GMT
#14
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 12:15:21
May 16 2013 12:15 GMT
#15
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 16 2013 12:18 GMT
#16
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group

Talking in absolutes is always silly. He definitely stands a chance, don't be ridiculous.
iViNtaGe
Profile Joined July 2012
United States254 Posts
May 16 2013 12:19 GMT
#17
Gogo Mvp! Show everyone why you're the king on wings!
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 16 2013 12:27 GMT
#18
I have a hunch that Sase will make it through. Mvp and Lucifron have to practice all three matchups, whereas Sase could probably only practice PvT and still make it through.
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GaribaldiSC2
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain709 Posts
May 16 2013 12:27 GMT
#19
Naniwa so bm, I cant believe that he doesnt shakehand VortiX
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 16 2013 12:51 GMT
#20
Oh Nani. It feels good to see you win ( Why now?! Time to head back to Korea for EG-Alliance!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 13:23:32
May 16 2013 13:23 GMT
#21
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video! NANIWA BM VIDEO


We already gone over this in the Naniwa fan club and is in fact not BM but cultural difference. Offensive handshakes is considered very rude in Sweden
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 16 2013 13:23 GMT
#22
Mvp better tear through :/
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 13:46:06
May 16 2013 13:44 GMT
#23
SaSe > Mvp
Nerchio > Lucifron
SaSe > Nerchio
Mvp > Lucifron
Mvp > Nerchio

SaSe and Mvp advance.

EZPEZ the super overrated Lucifron will not win a single game.
-,-
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 16 2013 14:11 GMT
#24
MVP AND LUCIFRON GOGO
i honestly cant see how MVP is gonna not make it out of this series tbh...
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 14:21:35
May 16 2013 14:12 GMT
#25
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group


Silliest thing I've ever heard. Mvp is miles better than all of these players combined. If his wrists allowed him to practice enough and don't bother him during the matches, he 4-0s this group.

Yeah that's a little overboard but you get the point.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 16 2013 14:23 GMT
#26
On May 16 2013 23:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group


Silliest thing I've ever heard. Mvp is miles better than all of these players combined. If his wrists allowed him to practice enough and don't bother him during the matches, he 4-0s this group.

Yeah that's a little overboard but you get the point.

stephano is better than every korean combined, he would have won 20 GSLs by now if he went to korea earlier
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kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 16 2013 14:24 GMT
#27
On May 16 2013 19:44 RandyL wrote:
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?


Look on the top right of this site : there's a calandar and just down of it, a "on air" with all the relevant streams.
You can see on "upcoming events" the tournaments coming.
Welcome to TL
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 16 2013 14:30 GMT
#28
On May 16 2013 23:23 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group


Silliest thing I've ever heard. Mvp is miles better than all of these players combined. If his wrists allowed him to practice enough and don't bother him during the matches, he 4-0s this group.

Yeah that's a little overboard but you get the point.

stephano is better than every korean combined, he would have won 20 GSLs by now if he went to korea earlier

Only because the KeSPA players were still playing BW back then, you clueless eSF fanboy! :p
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
May 16 2013 14:31 GMT
#29
I do honestly think Nov 2011~July 2012 Stephano could have gotten Ro4 or more in Code S
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 14:35:07
May 16 2013 14:34 GMT
#30
Sick, sick group.

*Edit* Yes, prime-Stephano would have done great in GSL, he just bojangled too long.
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 16 2013 14:35 GMT
#31
BTW there is a minor typo on the front page for this link:


Mvp barely made it through the Ro32, and now there will be no lag excuses as he comes to play in person in Cologne. Can he made it through a difficult group with SaSe, Lucifron, and Nerchio?
Wat
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
May 16 2013 14:38 GMT
#32
The question is:Did Mvp practice for these specific players?Does he know about SaSe's PvT style and how to counter it?

If not then he's screwed and it's gonna be funny.
All I do is Stim.
Eboceixa
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium60 Posts
May 16 2013 14:45 GMT
#33
Sase will do it, Im pretty sure. I dont know about the others... anyone knows them?
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
May 16 2013 14:55 GMT
#34
Go Mvp, don't mind being ruled by the king
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
May 16 2013 15:43 GMT
#35
Is anyone really that surprised that Lucifron is having so much success in HOTS?

He was an incredibly aggressive and cheesy player in WOL, and with the changes HOTS made to the game, it really favors that kind of playstyle. Look at Drunkenboi.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
May 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#36
check em

Mvp > SaSe (tough game)
Lucifron > Nerchio

Mvp > Lucifron
SaSe > Nerchio

SaSe > Lucifron

this ez
AYSJr
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil33 Posts
May 16 2013 15:50 GMT
#37
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.
Mellon
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden917 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 15:53:31
May 16 2013 15:51 GMT
#38
On May 16 2013 23:31 Waxangel wrote:
I do honestly think Nov 2011~July 2012 Stephano could have gotten Ro4 or more in Code S


If he was peaking definately! I think alot of foreigners can go very deep in Code S if they are playing at their best level and without stagefright.

Also:
Sase > MVP 2-1
Lucifron > Nerchio 2-0
Lucifron > Sase 2-0
Mvp > Nerchio 2-0
Sase > MVP 2-1

All good, Sase will win and lose 1 game in every set due to unorthodox plays and gimmicky stuff.
szpaqlec
Profile Joined June 2011
Ireland15 Posts
May 16 2013 15:55 GMT
#39
Nerchio will go through from 2nd place if he steps up his game.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3753 Posts
May 16 2013 15:58 GMT
#40
Sase and lucifron will take 1/2 with nerchio not winning a match
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
May 16 2013 16:11 GMT
#41
On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

Also:Go Nerchio!


Can you elaborate on this misconception that TL writers is spreading ? I didn't really watch dreamhack before Ro16 :/ Was it really a coin flip or not?

Thanks to anyone who clarify this.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 16:28:38
May 16 2013 16:28 GMT
#42
On May 16 2013 23:31 Waxangel wrote:
I do honestly think Nov 2011~July 2012 Stephano could have gotten Ro4 or more in Code S


I would disagree. Stephano does really well in ad hoc tournament performances where opponents just go in and play. If he went to GSL where players have time to prepare, he'd probably get facerolled. If he prepared builds and did research I think he would have stood a chance, but he's too lazy to do that kind of stuff.

Also, MVP is turning into old MC-- you think he's out, then he says JK I'm gonna win a GSL now, sup.
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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
May 16 2013 17:05 GMT
#43
On May 16 2013 19:44 RandyL wrote:
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?


You can find streams, results, schedule, and VODs here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS
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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:08:14
May 16 2013 17:07 GMT
#44
On May 17 2013 01:11 Moka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

Also:Go Nerchio!


Can you elaborate on this misconception that TL writers is spreading ? I didn't really watch dreamhack before Ro16 :/ Was it really a coin flip or not?

Thanks to anyone who clarify this.



His point is, that round robin is more fair than dual tournament (like GSL). Not saying that I agree. The coinflip did happen.
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Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#45
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#46
In any case, Lucifron has some sick online results in HotS


Hey writers, you can use the filter option to better show only online HotS results:
http://aligulac.com/players/50/results/?race=ptzr&nats=all&bo=all&offline=online&game=HotS

In these games, LucifroN is 48–17 (74%) in games and 32–9 (78%) in matches.

Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#47
On May 17 2013 02:34 Paragleiber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.

GOM's opinion > Yours. Sorry mate
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Kabutomaru
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria226 Posts
May 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#48
Pedro Potter The new European Banjo
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 16 2013 20:42 GMT
#49
I want SaSe to go through!
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:29:52
May 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#50
On May 17 2013 02:52 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:34 Paragleiber wrote:
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.

GOM's opinion > Yours. Sorry mate

It's a GSL but not a Code S

On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

it's not fair at all! dual tournament >>>> coinflip
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 16 2013 22:39 GMT
#51
About SaSe :

making it to the Ro16 of DreamHack Stockholm with wins against Nerchio, Jaedong, Goswser, and ForGG along the way


Goswser beat SaSe 2-1 at DreamHack Stockholm but was eliminated because of a worse map score. =]
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#52
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group



Alot you have to learn about mvp my young Padua
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
May 17 2013 02:58 GMT
#53
Yup, Mvp, he's just one of those guys who can still take on Life during BL-Infestor, despite a broken wrist. I mean, he's got 3 Code S championships and 2 finalist Code S positions. Nay-sayers have said that Mvp ain't gonna make it but... lol
GaribaldiSC2
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain709 Posts
May 17 2013 12:30 GMT
#54
On May 16 2013 22:44 SayTT wrote:
SaSe > Mvp
Nerchio > Lucifron
SaSe > Nerchio
Mvp > Lucifron
Mvp > Nerchio

SaSe and Mvp advance.

EZPEZ the super overrated Lucifron will not win a single game.


LOL the best prediction ever.Sase so overrated
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