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[MLG] Day 3 Recap - Winter Championship ('13) - Page 5

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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
March 18 2013 20:09 GMT
#81
Welcome to the future? You mean the past, right? All the zergs had been lamenting the state of HotS as they got annihilated by terrans and protoss unleashing a year of pent-up frustration, but Life seemed to be in total denial that the Lings of Liberty era was over. Whereas other zergs were trying to "adapt" with new HotS compositions like roach/hydra/viper, Life carried on like HotS had never happened, rolling over opponents with good old-fashioned muta/ling/bane and barely using the new units. Life tried out vipers game 1 but after he was just like nah and didn't touch them again. He didn't make one swarm host the entire finals.

As if to underline the point, Life cleaned up Flash in the last game with broodlords and infestors, as if completely oblivious to the fact that they, and zergs, were supposed to roll over and die in this new HotS era. There's been a lot of crying by zerg about imbalance, but in the end, only Life was able to "adapt" by simply pretending HotS never happened and winning like it was still the height of Lings of Liberty.
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 20:10:45
March 18 2013 20:10 GMT
#82
On March 19 2013 04:36 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 04:27 jeri wrote:
cant rly understand why all other zergs failed so hard. i mean vs terran lifes style its the same wol ling/bling style + mutas (not killable with mines) lategame + adding vipers swarmclowd, what makes tanks useless. why cant stefano play the same old imba style? Oo


Life makes it work because he's mechanically and strategically superior to everyone else.


imho violet is at the same level, atleast i thought so on last iem, but he couldnt get to the top aswell.
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
March 18 2013 20:13 GMT
#83
On March 19 2013 05:09 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Welcome to the future? You mean the past, right? All the zergs had been lamenting the state of HotS as they got annihilated by terrans and protoss unleashing a year of pent-up frustration, but Life seemed to be in total denial that the Lings of Liberty era was over. Whereas other zergs were trying to "adapt" with new HotS compositions like roach/hydra/viper, Life carried on like HotS had never happened, rolling over opponents with good old-fashioned muta/ling/bane and barely using the new units. Life tried out vipers game 1 but after he was just like nah and didn't touch them again. He didn't make one swarm host the entire finals.

As if to underline the point, Life cleaned up Flash in the last game with broodlords and infestors, as if completely oblivious to the fact that they, and zergs, were supposed to roll over and die in this new HotS era. There's been a lot of crying by zerg about imbalance, but in the end, only Life was able to "adapt" by simply pretending HotS never happened and winning like it was still the height of Lings of Liberty.


only use for vipers, is when terran rolling hard with tanks grip+cloud = gg.
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
theinfamousone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States103 Posts
March 18 2013 20:22 GMT
#84
It looks like it might be similar to WoL where MC is the only protoss that ever wins (relatively speaking). I think in WoL, if you took out MC's winnings, protoss would have about 1/10th the winnings of terran or zerg. It did seem like with the current dropship meta, Protoss will either have to kill the terran early on with oracles before they can get sufficient anti air or play super defensive. Innovation started figuring out how to counter MC's early air harass build. Admittedly Bly took a game off Flash, which was impressive, and Thorzain got pretty thumped by Killer, but overall, Leenock getting rolled by Innovation was actually a joke. Life's micro and game sense were absolutely absurd. Ling bane muta micro is so risky now and unless you've got multitasking of a prodigy, I doubt anyone else can pull that off for a while.

TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28095 Posts
March 18 2013 21:36 GMT
#85
quick recaps, gj guys
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rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
March 18 2013 21:57 GMT
#86
On March 18 2013 19:30 p14c wrote:
Unfortunately for Flash he had like 2-3 weeks to practice HOTS..He had awful Widow mines control or maybe widow mines are really that unreliable? ..Who knows.
PS: I'm sad that another tournament was won by a Zerg yet again.

at least it wasn't a zvz final...
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
March 18 2013 22:52 GMT
#87
I think it's interesting that many people thought that HotS would be a fresh start and that lower level players in WoL would be able to take advantage of superior experience and an unstable metagame in Hots to upset more established player, but for the most part, it's been the opposite.

MC was the only player to advance through using "gimmicky HotS strategies", but even he utilized amazing execution and micro. The other top 4 (Life, Flash, Bogus) are all players that you'd say are just innately insanely good at Starcraft. Upsets were at a bare minimum throughout the entire tournament, and it'll be interesting to see if that trend continues in future tournaments (or even increases as the metagame establishes itself)

tl;dr HotS is looking incredibly skill based thus far.
funKy_KroK
Profile Joined June 2009
France101 Posts
March 18 2013 23:08 GMT
#88

Flash, who celebrated joyfully after winning his first major championship, might have been amused by the demeanor his successor. In any case, he can be assured that until the day that he should reclaim the title of best player in the world, it rests in good hands.


You can't really compare a BW 2008 Starleague to an MLG


snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
March 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#89
innovation soooo good
:O
shocked and amazed and slightly overjoyed ^^
My religion is Starcraft
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
March 19 2013 01:30 GMT
#90
On March 19 2013 08:08 funKy_KroK wrote:
Show nested quote +

Flash, who celebrated joyfully after winning his first major championship, might have been amused by the demeanor his successor. In any case, he can be assured that until the day that he should reclaim the title of best player in the world, it rests in good hands.


You can't really compare a BW 2008 Starleague to an MLG




No shit. An article that was essentially a long winded way of saying "Life beat Flash and Life is young but Flash is old now so life is the new Flash QED" after an MLG weekend tournament in a game that came out a week ago is maybe overstating the case.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 19 2013 01:43 GMT
#91
too bad life has been amazing for a while now, aye?
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 19 2013 02:17 GMT
#92
On March 18 2013 19:30 p14c wrote:
Unfortunately for Flash he had like 2-3 weeks to practice HOTS..He had awful Widow mines control or maybe widow mines are really that unreliable? ..Who knows.
PS: I'm sad that another tournament was won by a Zerg yet again.


Are you fucking kidding me? Did you even watch the games? Life won because he was far and away the much superior player than Flash. Life was easily the best player at MLG. Every other zerg got crushed by terran while he was the only one in the RO8.
Long live the Boss Toss!
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
March 19 2013 02:22 GMT
#93
good read, fine journalism.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
March 19 2013 03:27 GMT
#94
Zerg up buff queen range and overlord speed
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
March 19 2013 03:45 GMT
#95
Life was just amazing... yet he barely scraped by vs First and Polt. It certainly wasn't complete domination by him and several times I felt he might lose it. I actually think Innovation could have beaten him after watching him dismantle Leenock.

I also wanted to add that Flash's macro is a really high level... like MVP level. He does still make micro mistakes though under pressure.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
March 19 2013 05:16 GMT
#96
I'm glad life won, honestly. I think Flash is over-hyped. The guy is damn good, and he might have been the best thing ever in Brood War, but the sentiment surrounding him was the same as it was around Life when he first hopped into the scene. I think he will be very, very good in the future, but Life is still on his own level.

When you look at the 2 games Life lost as well, they weren't nearly as dominating as the games Life won. A 2 rax, poorly defended, and another game where Flash admittedly played very well. I'm not taking anything away from him, obviously getting to the finals and beating Parting/Innovation is no small feat, but I'm simply saying that he certainly isn't going to be the god of Starcraft II anytime soon.

And while I believe everything I just wrote, I'm fully prepared to eat my words if necessary.
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ZzKaelzZ
Profile Joined October 2012
51 Posts
March 19 2013 05:44 GMT
#97
you guys forgot the imba call from parting
Idra <3 Leenock <3 DRG <3 Symbol <3 JYP <3 Life <3 HuK <3
fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
March 19 2013 06:55 GMT
#98
ITT: Life being overhyped. He pretty much rolled Flash, yes, but I think that was also hugely because Flash was unprepared. You would have to be blind not to recognize that.

Life played amazing otherwise, but like others have mentioned I too felt Life could have lost it against Polt and Last. I understand that this is probably a very emotional triumph for Zerg/ESF fans though.

HOTS is still very new. While the top tier players now are likely to remain at the top, new ones are still very likely to break into these ranks. And shuffling of positions amongst the top will be inevitable.
Zululu
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany4 Posts
March 19 2013 08:57 GMT
#99
All Matches were great. But the be honest. Flash did not look to be prepared at all. he got caught so many times by this massive baneling Zergling bust. Lost twice his Helions. I dont even see the sence to Skip Widdowmines for fast Medivacs against this aggresive style.
I expected more Scouting by flash in the last series after the first game. Most of the Games would have been much closer if he had 1 or 2 Widdowmines in the right places. Especially on Cloud Kingdom. no Overseers with this huge Bane/Ling composition just overrun the depo wall and the marines with their medivacs :/
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 19 2013 09:00 GMT
#100
Great write-up. This was easily the best MLG so far. If this tournament a sign of things to come, we're in for a treat the next years.
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