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[MLG] Day 3 Recap - Winter Championship ('13) - Page 2

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Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
March 18 2013 11:59 GMT
#21
Astonishing play by Life, loved every second of championship Sunday. The other two days were a lot of one-sided games, but hey, who cares with such an awesome final.
Thanks for the article, I really like those recaps.
[Terran] mvp | maru | innovation | mma [Protoss] mc | squirtle [Zerg] nestea | soo
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
March 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#22
U noe it is 7.30am at +8GMT time zone when Finals happened. MOnday! Go work, and missed the finals. And didnt slp whole night, slp at work. Almost get caught...

Reached home, didnt sleep, read the article. Hoping to watch Vods...
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 18 2013 12:09 GMT
#23
Really enjoyed watching the new units, though it could've been more swarm host.
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
March 18 2013 12:13 GMT
#24
This was a great event. Hots proved to be a great competitive expansion to an already great game. I hope more tournaments like this keep happening!
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
March 18 2013 12:18 GMT
#25
This final is just another set up for another Life vs Flash future game.

I'm glad it is Life who made it through not MC.

Aw, Flash lose. I cant wait for another rematch of both of them. I will support Flash, and hope he win.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
_zesty
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
March 18 2013 12:20 GMT
#26
On March 18 2013 20:46 HooK2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 19:30 p14c wrote:
Unfortunately for Flash he had like 2-3 weeks to practice HOTS..He had awful Widow mines control or maybe widow mines are really that unreliable? ..Who knows.
PS: I'm sad that another tournament was won by a Zerg yet again.


Haha^^ There were two Terran, one Zerg and one Toss left in the semis and people are still able to complain about zerg or balance? :D Have you ever thought about that maybe Life is a freakin' beast and played better than his opponents?


More importantly, in the Round of 16, Every Zerg left facing a terran (excepting Life) was 3-0'd, and before you scream Korean vs Foreigner, so was leenock. Additionally, the Zerg facing a toss was 3-1'd, and even Life had to pull out a 3-2 victory (though admittedly he was playing Polt).
_zesty
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
March 18 2013 12:21 GMT
#27
To be clear, I'm not saying Zerg is UP, but I am saying the current meta still favors Terran even though Life is a beast
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
March 18 2013 12:27 GMT
#28
On March 18 2013 19:20 Gihi wrote:
Great games! One of the better MLGs in a long time.
I thought Innovation vs Flash was one of the best TvTs I've ever seen.
Finals had a lot of suspense but Flash tore my heart going the same strat vs muta ling bane 3 games in a row while he didn't even come close to winning.

I don't know - previous one was pretty epic as well...
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
March 18 2013 12:29 GMT
#29
Good event but I still feel it's quite a terrible game at the moment.
PvZ and TvP feel fucked to be honest. Couldn;t help but feel P is forced to play aggressively in TvP or just die to medivacs, if they invest in too much defense against drops they just die on the ground (phoenix for example are nice at stopping drops but just suck for anything else). Z is also forced to play aggressive in PvZ to not die to the deathball, for example MC just died to 3 aggressive early plays which are not difficult to stop at all.

Despite Z winning they are definately weakest, they just hardly get anything useful while there are a couple more openings to surprise them with. Their lategame composition is pretty much nerfed to death as well. Life won the event but basically on WoL units alone and by being aggressive or gaining big advantages early on. I feel if flash used tanks / widow mines for defense a little better early on he would have beaten Life too
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
March 18 2013 12:35 GMT
#30
On March 18 2013 20:20 einohr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 19:30 p14c wrote:
Unfortunately for Flash he had like 2-3 weeks to practice HOTS..He had awful Widow mines control or maybe widow mines are really that unreliable? ..Who knows.
PS: I'm sad that another tournament was won by a Zerg yet again.

You're funny. If i remember correctly Day9 said he ranked first in the HotS beta.


Yeah that was MarineKing, not flash. Flash stated that he hadnt played the beta at because of proleague all when it was already ended, and that he just now felt he was starting to get a grasp on wol. So yeah...

I think Flash will win this code S or next. It seems he still hasnt played the game long enough to perfect more than one strategy in some matchups (tvz) which shows in his lack of versatility.
Amove for Aiur
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
March 18 2013 12:40 GMT
#31
Flash was so obviously far from where he was in BW and where he will probably be in HOTS in two months. He had no build involving Tanks, he didn't know the "standard" Zerg builds, he didn't do a good job scouting Muta transitions, and his awareness of his own WMs was pretty poor.

This is just the beginning of a rivalry for the ages
sebvolc
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 12:46:31
March 18 2013 12:43 GMT
#32
Good thing that Life stepped up and showed that Zerg is useful, and patch Zergs have just practiced and mastered a useless skill set. Granted he is on another level than everyone else, but if every Zerg out there just practiced extreme defense leading to "the creeping death", also known as brofester, it is clear that their skill set will not be applicable to more aggressive styles of play (to be fair players like Nestea have said that the play style of Life is too hard to pull off). Even so I hope they don't do any balance patches to buff Zerg for the next long time, and we get allot of Zergs who play aggressively, it is really fun to watch!

Edit:
Life's play style might be really effective because he is the only one who does it, and if more zergs did it, more P and T would know what to do against it. In that case a buff would be fine.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 18 2013 13:25 GMT
#33
Hem ... ^^

With a 2 - 1 victory over the two time GSL champion MC, Bomber earned a third place finish at MLG Dallas, his best finish in a major tournament yet.


I think you meant INnoVatioN there... :p
LiquipediaWanderer
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
March 18 2013 13:33 GMT
#34
This MLG was one of, if not the most entertaining tournament for me in all of SC2. I was hoping for a Flash vs Life finals since the Ro16, and they sure delivered!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 18 2013 13:43 GMT
#35
Zerg became fun to watch again- ling bling muta into ultras is thrilling and fast paced, especially against marine/tank/widowmine.

Life's games were every bit the "fun" as WoL in its heyday- I really, really enjoyed this tournament. The BL/Infestor turtle is clearly dead. The only changes I'd make is to have a better way for Phoenix/Viking to catch turbovacs- Mutas were able to catch them sometimes between turbos.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
March 18 2013 13:59 GMT
#36
People must remember that most of the zergs where foreigners, so the race raito is a bit scewd cause they all had such a bad showing.
"Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 18 2013 14:00 GMT
#37
On March 18 2013 22:59 Nosferatos wrote:
People must remember that most of the zergs where foreigners, so the race raito is a bit scewd cause they all had such a bad showing.


Leenock is a top teir Zerg
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
March 18 2013 14:04 GMT
#38
op implies that Flash didn't "succeed"
Flash got second place. 1 month ago, he was considered a mid code-A player caliber, yet this tournament, he was able to get to second place among all the elite competition. That's top-tier code S material. I would say that's a success.

I admit, Life is hella good, but I feel this tournament gave me hope, as a flash fan, instead of disappointment. It showed me the rate of improvement of flash. From a bw legend to mild success in sc2 to a top code-s level player all within a couple months.
nothing
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
March 18 2013 14:05 GMT
#39
I think its slightly early to call anything about who the future of hots is, I mean obviously life will always be super scary, but lets not forget majority of KeSPA players have played this game counting days, not even weeks, cause thats how pl was scheduled. This tournament has made me incredibly excited for the next season of GSL, and as teams adjust strategies and actually figure some stuff out, i expect epicness beyond anything we have seen in WoL. Great tournament, Flash vs Innovation is the series to watch, games 2 and 3 are the perfect showing of how both these guys are different, but absolutely the best in their respective styles.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 18 2013 14:09 GMT
#40
On March 18 2013 23:00 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 22:59 Nosferatos wrote:
People must remember that most of the zergs where foreigners, so the race raito is a bit scewd cause they all had such a bad showing.


Leenock is a top teir Zerg


But it was 1 series. Who are we to determine balance off of 1 Bo5?

Let's give a time before we conclude that Zergs are underpowered and need range 7 queens :p
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