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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
March 04 2013 00:20 GMT
#601
On March 04 2013 07:00 LaLuSh wrote:
I think the new dynamics of SC2 suited some players worse than others. And one of them was undoubtedly Tyler -- who was always more of a management type of player with perfect build order execution and just... perfect economy management in general.

When I look at the most succesful players in SC2, they all have the following in common:

They spend like 90% of their time staring at their army (through streamlining their play and effictivizing actions they buy themselves the time to do what actually has the most effect in SC2: moving and microing your army looking for a superior engagement).

Look at someone like stephano and you will be amazed at how much time he spends ordering his army around and... simply staring at his and his opponents army... setting up favorable position after position after position until his opponents finally lose their patience.

When you watch Tyler and others stream (including me to a degree), we spend way too much time on the management side of things. Especially Tyler when I've viewed his stream -- won't move around his army a whole lot. He relies on his build orders and his execution of said build orders (which tbh doesn't give much of an edge anymore in SC2).

Don't take this as bashing but rather as constructive criticism. Economy and Production management is... not effective to focus on in SC2. Relentless army movement, constant prodding and constant positioning and re-positioning is what will reward you.

You gain very little in ways of economy or army leads by merely being good at perfect management. Which is a shame for certain really talented players like ret and tyler (even ret has said he has a really hard time playing the BL/Infestor style, because his engagement skills are just inherently worse than some of the top zergs').


this is a really interesting point i never gave much thought. Thx!
Cj hero | Zest
AdroiT
Profile Joined January 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 00:25:04
March 04 2013 00:24 GMT
#602
Good luck NonY. I'm sad to see you go. As a protoss player and sotg listener, you were the face of TL for me. I always rooted for you and will continue to even w/o TL. It's still a sad day though. GL HF
Khrey
Profile Joined April 2011
United States38 Posts
March 04 2013 00:25 GMT
#603
Good luck NonY!!!
BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
March 04 2013 00:28 GMT
#604
GLHF Tyler! I'll miss you!
Well, C9 is the best right now
CloudCat
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore160 Posts
March 04 2013 00:29 GMT
#605
Good luck NonY, rooting for you. Waiting for the day you rise to the top again.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
March 04 2013 00:29 GMT
#606
GL Nony! The gingerbread protoss!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
March 04 2013 00:30 GMT
#607
I sincerely wish you luck NonY, I hope that you find what you're looking for, and eventually return to liquid in the coming future after unlocking your enormous potential we all know you have from your older days

forever a fan <3
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
March 04 2013 00:32 GMT
#608
Best of luck Tyler! I hope this change works well for you.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
March 04 2013 00:32 GMT
#609
Good Luck NonY! I still remember your awesome days in BW.
Brood War loyalist
BoneDancr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States130 Posts
March 04 2013 00:36 GMT
#610
Far and away my favorite game analyzer and commentator. Hope you don't slow your roll off the TL brand.
-end of line
Gr1dlock
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States19 Posts
March 04 2013 00:37 GMT
#611
This is nothing short of a HUGE bummer Wishing Tyler all the best luck and I really hope to see him again soon. He may not have been my favorite player to watch, but I identified with his personality in a big way. I hope he knows what an influence he's had and I really hope he remains connected to the scene As best as he can. We'll miss you Tyler!
"Who put that there?!?"
Stephan24
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1 Post
March 04 2013 00:41 GMT
#612
Hey hey Tyler,

I was watching your stream lately and I was excited that you started streaming and appearing again. Now these sad news!. Thats as sad when TL announced Haypro and Jinro leaving. Nonetheless, I wish you the best in your future, may it be with loads of SC2 Hots success. I thank you, as well as any other player of TL, to enlighten my flame for E-Sports and especially Team Liquid.

my very best reagards
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
March 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#613
alright nony, its time to kickass and chewbubblegum
64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
March 04 2013 00:49 GMT
#614
Was always a fan of yours since BW, Tyler! Good luck with your future endeavours!!
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
March 04 2013 00:51 GMT
#615
Tyler, you have always been one of my favorite members of the community. I hope this new approach works out for you, and you can get back to top form. good luck
=)=
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
March 04 2013 00:51 GMT
#616
Always have, always will, Nony fighting! Bless you and your family.
Husky: Every drone you lose is like a needle in the eye. Nony: probes win $10k (Earn it! Idra Fighting) :P
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
March 04 2013 00:51 GMT
#617
It's really sad to see you leave the team NonY, but best of luck in the future and I hope to see you make a comeback and win TSL 5 :D
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
March 04 2013 00:53 GMT
#618
Tyler has by far the best taste in music of any streamer. Will continue to watch his stream, GL
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
March 04 2013 00:53 GMT
#619
I always love watching Tyler stream. Hope he finds what works best for him.
Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
March 04 2013 00:58 GMT
#620
GL in the future Tyler!!
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