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[Code S] Ro4: TaeJa vs. RorO Recap (S1)

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[Code S] Ro4: TaeJa vs. RorO Recap (S1)

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March 1st, 2013 16:36 GMT

Code S

GSL 2013 Season 1 Code S



Code S: Semi-Final Recap
TaeJa vs. RorO


Brackets and results at Liquipedia

Code S Semi-Finals Recap

by: Waxangel


1

TaeJa

(T)TaeJa <Cloud Kingdom> (Z)RorO
(T)TaeJa <Whirlwind> (Z)RorO
(T)TaeJa <Akilon Flats> (Z)RorO
(T)TaeJa <Icarus> (Z)RorO
(T)TaeJa <Daybreak> (Z)RorO

RorO advances to the Code S finals.
4

RorO



(Z)Samsung_RorO defeats (T)Liquid`TaeJa to reach the first major final of his career.

With the Wings of Liberty door closing shut, the elephant finally entered the room. Samsung KHAN's (Z)RorO scored an impressive 4 –1 victory over Team Liquid's (T)TaeJa to win the last GSL Code S semi-final of the WoL era, becoming the first KeSPA player to reach the finals of the most prestigious StarCraft II league in the world.

It was a momentous achievement for RorO, a five year pro-gamer who was often acknowledged as a skillful player, but had never been considered a championship contender in his original Brood War career. KeSPA's official switch to StarCraft II in mid-2012 turned out to be the chance of a lifetime for the Samsung Zerg, who quickly distinguished himself as one of the best 'elephants' – KeSPA players who made the belated transition to StarCraft II. After a swing and a miss in the previous season of Code S, where a costly nydus error saw RorO tumble down into Code A, he has now earned himself a chance to immortalize himself in WoL history,

However, for many StarCraft II fans, the biggest story of the night was not of RorO's personal triumph, but the confirmation of a second straight Zerg vs. Zerg Code S final after (Z)HyuN vs. (Z)Sniper in the previous season. With Azubu's (Z)Symbol having clinched the other final spot the night before, RorO's win also confirmed the third consecutive Zerg Code S champion in a period where no topic was hotter than that of Zerg imbalance. Though the imminent arrival of the Heart of the Swarm has calmed the unrest to some degree, the murky specter of imbalance will inevitably loom over the finals on March 9th.

After poor start, RorO takes four straight games.

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The first match of the night saw TaeJa bring his best play and RorO his worst, and unsurprisingly it ended with Team Liquid's golden boy going up 1 – 0. A sneaky, delayed hellion drop on Cloud Kingdom caught RorO off guard in the early minutes, and while it was not a crucial factor in determining the outcome of the game, it set the tone for one where RorO didn't look entirely warmed up. After a military build up on both sides, TaeJa began to encroach on Zerg territory, triggering a disastrous defensive engagement from RorO with hive units not far off. TaeJa only had to fend off a vain backdoor attack from RorO before sweeping through his bases to take the first game.

Unfortunately for TaeJa, that victory ended up being the sole highlight of his night. RorO found his groove in game two on Whirlwind, rolling with a mobile, muta-ling-bane style of play. Initially, TaeJa seemed to be holding out reasonably well, despite having to scramble frantically to keep up with RorO's multi-prong attacks. However, continual prodding from RorO eventually paid off, and he caught TaeJa's army out of position to kill off his crucial third base. TaeJa played well to keep himself in the game after taking such a severe economic hit, but was effectively on a timer as RorO bought time with the threat of backdoor attacks and continued to build his economy and tech. A series of desperation attacks for TaeJa went better than expected, but he had no choice but to GG out in the end.

After a pair of protracted games to open the series, games three and four went by in a breeze as RorO pulled the rug out from beneath TaeJa's feet with consecutive early attacks. On Akilon Flats, a two base roach rush caused severe damage to TaeJa and forced him into a failed, all-in counter attack. RorO then followed with an old-fashioned baneling bust on Icarus, going up 3 – 1 in the blink of an eye.

It then turned out that RorO had saved his best for last, clinically dismantling TaeJa on Daybreak in a game that he said went as perfectly as it had in his dreams. From start to finish, RorO controlled the tempo of the game, and was almost entirely untroubled as he took his half of the map, built up, and crushed TaeJa to finish the series 4 – 1.

Writers: Waxangel.
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Editor: Waxangel.
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StuDToSs
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 16:50:34
March 01 2013 16:49 GMT
#2
Coincidentally, the finals for this season brings the same theme to the table as Hyun vs Sniper: a fan favourite vs an anti-fan favourite.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 01 2013 16:49 GMT
#3
Disappointing but not entirely unexpected. Taeja was still one of the best Terrans in WoL, good luck to him in HotS
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monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
March 01 2013 16:49 GMT
#4
FailFish -.-
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
March 01 2013 16:50 GMT
#5
On March 02 2013 01:49 StuDToSs wrote:
Coincidentally, this final brings the same theme to the table as Hyun vs Sniper: a fan favourite vs an anti-fan favourite.

It's going to bring the same results too, most likely.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#6
Congrats Roro!
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
March 01 2013 16:52 GMT
#7
I'm not happy about the result, but nothing I can do about it.
Let's just hope for some good games at the finals.
erby
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
464 Posts
March 01 2013 16:58 GMT
#8
I'm especially crushed because Fionn's prediction was 100% correct (down to the games won) and Artosis also predicted RoRo.

It's okay, little prince. You are still my favorite progamer and with better balance in HotS, you shall rule the world once more!
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 01 2013 17:15 GMT
#9
I'm hoping Symbol wins it.
I don't want Kespa to have the last WoL title..
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HaniStream
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
March 01 2013 17:22 GMT
#10
In the light of all the past GSLs, I'd like to phrase some irony: Protoss OP.

GL Roro, would be nice to have a kespa winner.
trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
March 01 2013 17:26 GMT
#11
well if any of the kespa guys deserves it, it should be roro. he has shown good games from the start of the transition and he never let up. I feel like he and Rain represent kespa better than JD and Flash ever did during WoL, but I dont wanna start a who is better conversation.
Probably not gonna watch the finals as I found ZvZ not entertaining to watch, but I'm crossing my fingers for Symbol and Azubu. Would be a great start for their whole team.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19223 Posts
March 01 2013 17:28 GMT
#12
On March 02 2013 02:15 Noocta wrote:
I'm hoping Symbol wins it.
I don't want Kespa to have the last WoL title..

But the elephant must go on!
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
March 01 2013 17:37 GMT
#13
On March 02 2013 02:22 HaniStream wrote:
In the light of all the past GSLs, I'd like to phrase some irony: Protoss OP.

GL Roro, would be nice to have a kespa winner.


The most ridiculous period in all of Wings was around the time of the one PvP final when everyone thought Protoss was OP. lol.
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oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
March 01 2013 17:38 GMT
#14
Feel bad about the loss but I am proud to be a Taeja fan. The ironic thing is how different Taeja vs Roro would look in HotS
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
March 01 2013 17:45 GMT
#15
Nice games today. Glad that Roro won, but kinda sad we will have another zvz finals. Oh well, guess some games in the match up can be good. Just gotta hope it happens for the finals too.
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Mozzery
Profile Joined January 2012
United States140 Posts
March 01 2013 17:49 GMT
#16
Guess Scarlett might've been right when calling RoRo the best that Kespa had to offer way back when.
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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
March 01 2013 17:54 GMT
#17
I don't know why people are so upset about this happening . Roro played awesome and Taeja is still injured , if this was summer Taeja it might have been closer or a win for him . personally I am excited to see Symbol vs Roro, this should be good!
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
March 01 2013 17:58 GMT
#18
Nooooo, god damnit
Well, go Symbol
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
March 01 2013 18:01 GMT
#19
Goddamn Roro, all-inning like a baus
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FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
March 01 2013 18:01 GMT
#20
RorO is on fire recently I can't see Symbol beating him.
Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
March 01 2013 18:09 GMT
#21
Hurray another ZvZ finals like in last GSL and nearly any other Major event, what a surprise :-/
Luckily that WoL BL Infestor shit is now over! I won't even watch the finals and don't care who wins, like last season...

...Just sad that Blizz could'nt make it possible to have an epic last WoL Code S :-(
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 01 2013 18:10 GMT
#22
Good writeup. Poor Taeja but sounds like RorO played better than him so it can't be helped. GL to RorO!
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ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
March 01 2013 18:12 GMT
#23
troroll incoming
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
March 01 2013 18:39 GMT
#24
On March 02 2013 02:54 Shakattak wrote:
I don't know why people are so upset about this happening.

Really? Two very obvious reasons: People were rooting against a ZvZ finals (all balance aside, mirror matches are just not as popular), and Taeja is a Team Liquid player.
R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
March 01 2013 18:42 GMT
#25
HOTS can't come quickly enough....
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 01 2013 18:49 GMT
#26
Congrats to Z for securing the fourth straight championship.
Savor the moment, for HotS will hit soon
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1nSo
Profile Joined November 2011
4 Posts
March 01 2013 18:50 GMT
#27
zerg so op (

User was warned for this post
IronL
Profile Joined January 2012
United States34 Posts
March 01 2013 18:50 GMT
#28
Call me a troll but innovation or soulkey would have been much better kespa representatives for the finals, proleague record non-withstanding I find roros play lackluster compared to the other two. Anyway, go symbol, TSL forever
yourepicend
Profile Joined August 2010
United States36 Posts
March 01 2013 19:24 GMT
#29
ah spoiler on the main page graphic Usually you guys are a little more subtle so glancing at main page doesnt provide a spoiler
randomusername85
Profile Joined February 2013
3 Posts
March 01 2013 19:25 GMT
#30
Still f:ing hate the GomTV vods for the video ratings showing. Tried to avoid it, but accidentally saw it and knew RorO won because TaeJa was the fan favourite.
RoberP
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom101 Posts
March 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#31
On March 02 2013 04:25 randomusername85 wrote:
Still f:ing hate the GomTV vods for the video ratings showing. Tried to avoid it, but accidentally saw it and knew RorO won because TaeJa was the fan favourite.


So right. There's a forum topic on GOM about the ratings - I encourage everyone to respond to it!
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=230559&cid=0&kind=1

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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 01 2013 19:38 GMT
#32
gratz roro~
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 19:59:55
March 01 2013 19:58 GMT
#33
On March 02 2013 01:49 StuDToSs wrote:
Coincidentally, the finals for this season brings the same theme to the table as Hyun vs Sniper: a fan favourite vs an anti-fan favourite.

Just curious, which is which? Lots of people like both of them (relative to eachother, not comparting to, lets say, teaja)

Though personally I don't like Symbol too much, for very little reason, but people tend to prefer esf over kespa for no real purpose
Refer to my post.
Wyrd
Profile Joined May 2011
United States211 Posts
March 01 2013 19:59 GMT
#34
I'm still happy Taeja made it to ro4. I am going to have to go watch that last game when I get home, sounds like perfect zerg play.
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ratpac
Profile Joined May 2012
14 Posts
March 01 2013 20:02 GMT
#35
That recap doesn't do the first 2 games justice. I would highly recommend anybody to go and watch them if you can. Remember VOD 1 is always free
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
March 01 2013 20:18 GMT
#36
On March 02 2013 03:50 IronL wrote:
Call me a troll but innovation or soulkey would have been much better kespa representatives for the finals, proleague record non-withstanding I find roros play lackluster compared to the other two. Anyway, go symbol, TSL forever

RorO is way, way better than Soulkey though.

And Innovation couldn't beat SymboL, so he doesn't deserve to be a finalist.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 01 2013 20:24 GMT
#37
I hope RorO and Sniper are good friends
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Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
March 01 2013 20:36 GMT
#38
My money would be on RorO for the finals. Symbol's good but RorO is just too hot at the moment.
Too bad it's ZvZ and I can't be bothered watching another ZvZ game/finals.
hotcoco
Profile Joined January 2013
United Arab Emirates20 Posts
March 01 2013 20:44 GMT
#39
Symbol just beat the best zvz pro player in Korea. And he didn't win through cheese. He'll probably take the title, 4-2 I'm guessing.
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Kryt0s
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany209 Posts
March 01 2013 20:57 GMT
#40
On March 02 2013 02:26 trada wrote:
well if any of the kespa guys deserves it, it should be roro. he has shown good games from the start of the transition and he never let up. I feel like he and Rain represent kespa better than JD and Flash ever did during WoL, but I dont wanna start a who is better conversation.
Probably not gonna watch the finals as I found ZvZ not entertaining to watch, but I'm crossing my fingers for Symbol and Azubu. Would be a great start for their whole team.


Please go back and watch Flash vs Rain and say that one more time...
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
March 01 2013 21:03 GMT
#41
Everyone believed the Elephants were Flash/JD/Bisu

Roro defies predictions once again.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
March 01 2013 21:08 GMT
#42
i want symbol to win, because I've always liked symbol and if I want a zerg to win it's him.
hmm... let's think about it
Kryt0s
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany209 Posts
March 01 2013 21:09 GMT
#43
On March 02 2013 05:44 hotcoco wrote:
Symbol just beat the best zvz pro player in Korea. And he didn't win through cheese. He'll probably take the title, 4-2 I'm guessing.

Never bet against a KeSPA player...
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
March 01 2013 21:38 GMT
#44
On March 02 2013 06:09 Kryt0s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 05:44 hotcoco wrote:
Symbol just beat the best zvz pro player in Korea. And he didn't win through cheese. He'll probably take the title, 4-2 I'm guessing.

Never bet against a KeSPA player...


I have a really good feeling about Symbol's chances.

Which means Roro is going to win
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
March 01 2013 21:42 GMT
#45
the end of wol will be the beginning of rising elephants
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FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
March 01 2013 21:46 GMT
#46
noooo Taeja
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 21:54:08
March 01 2013 21:53 GMT
#47
On March 02 2013 02:26 trada wrote:
well if any of the kespa guys deserves it, it should be roro. he has shown good games from the start of the transition and he never let up. I feel like he and Rain represent kespa better than JD and Flash ever did during WoL, but I dont wanna start a who is better conversation.
Probably not gonna watch the finals as I found ZvZ not entertaining to watch, but I'm crossing my fingers for Symbol and Azubu. Would be a great start for their whole team.


lol flash 2-0 rain. so get your facts straight.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 21:57:52
March 01 2013 21:56 GMT
#48
It's a shame that TaeJa had trouble finding the practice partners he needed as everyone rather wanted to play HotS. I guess that's where a strongly organized team such as KHAN helping out and extensively supporting their player shows the most.

Oh well. Too bad it's another ZvZ finals. Farewell, WoL.
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Quincel
Profile Joined August 2012
119 Posts
March 01 2013 22:20 GMT
#49
I've got to say, as a fan of both Taeja and Roro, that Roro really deserved his win. He didn't just win with macro games, he won with macro, timing attacks, cheese, everything. It was an impressive display, and made Taeja look like he didn't deserve to be in the final - and that's not a small achievement.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
March 01 2013 22:27 GMT
#50
This series was like a mirror of Innovation v Symbol. Both terrans were renowned for their zerg-killing abilities and superb lategame macro-oriented style. Both zergs scouted this and prepared a variety of aggressive builds and all-ins to keep it from going to the terran's favoured lategame every time.

I feel that Roro won because he did his homework in this series and Taeja did not. As I wrote earlier, Roro's only loss to terran this GSL was to MKP, both games to early timing attacks that caught him off-balance. # of timing attacks Taeja made this series: 0. At the same time, if Taeja watched the VOD's, he would see that Roro has gone for a lot of early aggression in zvt. Yet he was caught unprepared both times by early all-ins. The worst example was on Icarus, which is basically a 2-base all-in map, and he went triple-cc and went down to a simple baneling bust.

Basically Innovation and Taeja were stuck on one style that got figured out, and it led to their downfall.
Wpgstevo
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada79 Posts
March 02 2013 00:22 GMT
#51
I think it would be a really positive thing for Kespa if their player wins. It will be a big event for them to hold the last WOL code S title. I could see Roro getting a ton of help basically from any other Kespa player. I sadly don't think Symbol can match the sheer preparation coming his way.
lynchkin
Profile Joined October 2012
United States14 Posts
March 02 2013 00:24 GMT
#52
I feel as if Waxangel didn't give enough credit to Taeja. It should have been noticed that Taeja was the remaining Terran in the final WoL Code S. This is just a wild accomplishment given his physical conditions.
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mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
March 02 2013 00:39 GMT
#53
I put money on another ZvZ final before the season began and I won! The problem is the odds were 1:1 so... they just gave me my money back.
Nobody is shocked by these results right?
Last 3 GSL's and MLG
GSL: ZvT -Zerg won (life)
MLG: ZVZ - zerg won (life)
GSL - ZVZ - zerg won (sniper)
GSL - ZVZ - zerg won

Those are the last 4 major tourneys with lots of top tier Koreans in the pool.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
March 02 2013 00:50 GMT
#54
where did all the balance whine go o.O
i guess people just dont care because of hots
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skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
March 02 2013 01:05 GMT
#55
On March 02 2013 09:50 jinorazi wrote:
where did all the balance whine go o.O
i guess people just dont care because of hots


Some dude named sniper won the last code S. I think thats when people stopped caring and started looking forward to hots.
tRavE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States23 Posts
March 02 2013 01:08 GMT
#56
Oh wow, another ZvZ finals match that I won't watch... yayyyyyyyyyy.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
March 02 2013 01:46 GMT
#57
On March 02 2013 01:49 StuDToSs wrote:
Coincidentally, the finals for this season brings the same theme to the table as Hyun vs Sniper: a fan favourite vs an anti-fan favourite.


Who's the anti?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 02 2013 01:49 GMT
#58
On March 02 2013 10:46 Siggen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 01:49 StuDToSs wrote:
Coincidentally, the finals for this season brings the same theme to the table as Hyun vs Sniper: a fan favourite vs an anti-fan favourite.


Who's the anti?

RorO because of how he treats antiteams in FPL I assume
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PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
March 02 2013 01:54 GMT
#59
Roro looks unstoppable
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Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
March 02 2013 02:06 GMT
#60
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
March 02 2013 02:27 GMT
#61
i dare blizzard to do their final "balance report" for wol

haha
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OMGIMNestea
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)17 Posts
March 02 2013 02:28 GMT
#62
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
March 02 2013 02:32 GMT
#63
The mind games of the Kespa player were just on another level. Roro played like a true pro.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 02 2013 02:34 GMT
#64
Darn it, I was hoping Taeja would win so we could have a final that people would watch. Oh well.
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VurnHat
Profile Joined August 2012
19 Posts
March 02 2013 02:45 GMT
#65
wtf spoiler in (sub)title!?!?!
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
March 02 2013 02:58 GMT
#66
You know what would be funny? If they made another balance patch right now before HoTS releases.

But there's no point anyway, its a mirror matchup after all.

I'm personally rooting for Symbol here, despite Roro owning Taeja 4-1, but him dissing Taeja in the last game and him being a Kespa player makes me not want to root for him.
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mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
March 02 2013 03:30 GMT
#67
On March 02 2013 11:06 Hitch-22 wrote:
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).


I 100% agree with you and yes Blizzard SHOULD do a balance patch because we all paid good money for a complete game - not a half game that is to be continued after you pay out another $50.00.
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
March 02 2013 03:37 GMT
#68
Roro's chances are very good. The guy wanted to be in Life's group for the round of 16 because he was so confident in his ZvZ, and advanced in first place.

Hopefuly he'll practice a lot with Soulkey, Effort and the other good zergs.

kenoPONY
Profile Joined March 2013
1 Post
March 02 2013 04:05 GMT
#69
Another finals I won't be watching
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 04:27:24
March 02 2013 04:21 GMT
#70
Nvm, uber fail on my side, move on people, and don't quote me
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2013 04:22 GMT
#71
On March 02 2013 13:21 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 11:06 Hitch-22 wrote:
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).

If you at least watched the dam match you would have noticed that in the whole Roro/Taeja series there was not a single Broodlord made...

there were brood lords made
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 02 2013 04:22 GMT
#72
On March 02 2013 13:21 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 11:06 Hitch-22 wrote:
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).

If you at least watched the dam match you would have noticed that in the whole Roro/Taeja series there was not a single Broodlord made...

technically like 5 brood lords were made in game 1 but TaeJa caught them with no support right as they finished morphing between the natural and 3rd on cloud kingdom when he was going for the killing blow, so they did nothing
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SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 04:29:22
March 02 2013 04:24 GMT
#73
On March 02 2013 09:50 jinorazi wrote:
where did all the balance whine go o.O
i guess people just dont care because of hots


I think most of the posts are shrouded in sarcasm. If you listen to the commentating Artosis mentions at the end of game 5 (Taeja losing 4-1) that "Turns out Zerg is a good race in WoL...there I said it!." Tastless then adds to this by saying "Its funny you can have a maxed out army and somehow have a larger maxed out army through infested terran and making rows of evo chambers and cancelling." Even the casters, whose biggest deadly sin is pointing out obvious problems in game, can't help but laugh seeing another ZvZ calling it a "fitting end to WoL."

I think most people have conceded that Zerg was the dominant race and have moved on with hope from HoTs. In the two week stretch of beta being down I think I'll go practice my mechanics on WoL against Zerg. Do I need a Zerg partner to practice you ask? No, because every game I join on ladder is against a Zerg! GL in HoTs all.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 02 2013 04:26 GMT
#74
On March 02 2013 13:22 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 13:21 Assirra wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:06 Hitch-22 wrote:
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).

If you at least watched the dam match you would have noticed that in the whole Roro/Taeja series there was not a single Broodlord made...

there were brood lords made

Really? somehow i missed it, fail on my side then.
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
March 02 2013 04:47 GMT
#75
[/QUOTE]
I think most of the posts are shrouded in sarcasm. If you listen to the commentating Artosis mentions at the end of game 5 (Taeja losing 4-1) that "Turns out Zerg is a good race in WoL...there I said it!." Tastless then adds to this by saying "Its funny you can have a maxed out army and somehow have a larger maxed out army through infested terran and making rows of evo chambers and cancelling." Even the casters, whose biggest deadly sin is pointing out obvious problems in game, can't help but laugh seeing another ZvZ calling it a "fitting end to WoL."[/QUOTE]

I am glad they showed that side because they let us know they they know what we know and now we know that they know and we all know that zerg is . . . . well you know.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
March 02 2013 05:07 GMT
#76
God dammit.

I was hoping that we'd live longer before seeing a KeSPA player take the GSL crown.

I also love Taeja so this is double sad.
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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 02 2013 05:12 GMT
#77
On March 02 2013 13:26 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 13:22 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2013 13:21 Assirra wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:06 Hitch-22 wrote:
You don't say... Two Zergs ending up in the finals in WoL? Two Zergs known for their 'amazing' BL/infestor play? Very unique and skillful BL/Infestor turtle play I might add :D

Obviously I'm being satirical, Roro and Symbol are good, but it is no coincidence that you find 3 zergs in the final 4 players (Something we all have noticed for a long time coming).

If you at least watched the dam match you would have noticed that in the whole Roro/Taeja series there was not a single Broodlord made...

there were brood lords made

Really? somehow i missed it, fail on my side then.


Only in game 1 and he lost
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JuiceBoxHero
Profile Joined January 2011
117 Posts
March 02 2013 05:12 GMT
#78
Yea fuck zerg!...Am I too late?

At least Flash looked real baller in code A
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
March 02 2013 05:38 GMT
#79
Well Roro didn't really use or abuse BL/Infestor and still won. I don't see how the supposed Z imbalance has anything to do with Roro's win over Taeja.
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metzninja
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand626 Posts
March 02 2013 07:01 GMT
#80
On March 02 2013 14:38 ElMeanYo wrote:
Well Roro didn't really use or abuse BL/Infestor and still won. I don't see how the supposed Z imbalance has anything to do with Roro's win over Taeja.


It's not the BL/Infestor combo, it's the queen range which shuts down early terran pressure, as well as the viability of early heavy pressure from the zerg (games 3 and 4).
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
March 02 2013 07:29 GMT
#81
Winning much more than 50% nowadays in Sc2. I knew he had it in him
Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States545 Posts
March 02 2013 07:41 GMT
#82
Two years of balancing the game and we have dis >.>
On another note tho, Taeja played sooo well game 1 and 2.

Ppl calling Roro "patch-zerg" etc have no clue, Z is fuking imba but Roro is a damn good player. He got the macro, multi-tasking, build order preparation (micro is very good but not the best), but above all he's damn smart player and thinks on the fly. He's also infinitely patient (game 2).

PS. I can't believe ppl still refuse to acknowledge that Z is OP

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Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
March 02 2013 08:23 GMT
#83
Bring the title back to the motherland RorO!!!!!
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
March 02 2013 10:49 GMT
#84
It's now obvious that Zerg is more op than Terran ever was

User was temp banned for this post.
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Yoshirou_Iba
Profile Joined January 2013
Paraguay37 Posts
March 02 2013 11:53 GMT
#85
i feel sorry for some good zerg players, because there are truly some good and smart zerg players out there, but its alittle hard to give credit when the balance problems is so blatant and untouched. but mostly im happy we get chance to revive the game with Hots, before too many players leave or lost interest, even zergs.
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 12:47:18
March 02 2013 12:44 GMT
#86
technicaly on the paper roro has much superior zvz than symbol, but so had curios too as all predicted him better in zvz than symbol aswell. i think roro gonna take it 4:2 so gogo roro!!

ps: dont understand all the whines about zergs... ask hyun, sniper drg and life why did they not make it to finals? prob the best bets where on life/drg, but they got simply outplayed by terans.
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thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
March 02 2013 13:07 GMT
#87
The first time I heard of Roro was when Idra beat him (in an MLG?). Good on him for getting this far. Sad to see Taeja lose as I really wanted a TvZ final, but at least we get an esf vs kespa match! Really, really want a kespa player to take home a gsl trophy. That should send a little jolt into the scene.
TerranTechie
Profile Joined August 2012
24 Posts
March 02 2013 15:37 GMT
#88
On March 02 2013 07:27 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This series was like a mirror of Innovation v Symbol. Both terrans were renowned for their zerg-killing abilities and superb lategame macro-oriented style. Both zergs scouted this and prepared a variety of aggressive builds and all-ins to keep it from going to the terran's favoured lategame every time.

I feel that Roro won because he did his homework in this series and Taeja did not. As I wrote earlier, Roro's only loss to terran this GSL was to MKP, both games to early timing attacks that caught him off-balance. # of timing attacks Taeja made this series: 0. At the same time, if Taeja watched the VOD's, he would see that Roro has gone for a lot of early aggression in zvt. Yet he was caught unprepared both times by early all-ins. The worst example was on Icarus, which is basically a 2-base all-in map, and he went triple-cc and went down to a simple baneling bust.

Basically Innovation and Taeja were stuck on one style that got figured out, and it led to their downfall.


"Terran's favoured lategame?" Are you mentally ill? Never mind, your entire post reeks of ignorance of the current state of WoL.
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 02 2013 16:46 GMT
#89
Oh look, ZvZ finals. Snoooooooooze.

Sad to see Taeja fall gl to everyone in HotS!
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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
March 03 2013 00:46 GMT
#90
On March 02 2013 16:01 metzninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 14:38 ElMeanYo wrote:
Well Roro didn't really use or abuse BL/Infestor and still won. I don't see how the supposed Z imbalance has anything to do with Roro's win over Taeja.


It's not the BL/Infestor combo, it's the queen range which shuts down early terran pressure, as well as the viability of early heavy pressure from the zerg (games 3 and 4).

Personally, I think pre queen/overlord buff was the golden period of SC2.
Shawters
Profile Joined October 2012
France26 Posts
March 03 2013 01:20 GMT
#91
Symbol must win, for esF players.
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
March 03 2013 02:03 GMT
#92
dangit Taeja...looks like it's gonna be a ZvZ final. Still proud of him for making that far.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
March 03 2013 04:10 GMT
#93
Roro! I think Roro has the better chance to win the finals if Symbol makes the same mistake that Life and BboongBboong did. You don't fight the broodwar progamer on his own ground in ZvZ. Stop trying to harass him with zerglings in the early game... lol
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DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
March 03 2013 06:52 GMT
#94
Quote from Azubu.sc2 thread:
Supervisor IntoTheRain stated that "I am not expecting AZUBU to become a strong team right off the bat. Just like AZUBU'S LoL teams, Blaze and Frost, we are going to work Really hard and give everything we've got so that we can gradually become the world's best SC2 team."

GSTL Preseason finalist + GSL Finalist at same time, quite insane, wonder how would it be if they wanted to start strong.

Congrats to Roro, sadly a ZvZ finals so another GSL finals that i won't watch! =(
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 03 2013 10:10 GMT
#95
Ever since Ro16 I was praying that there is no ZvZ finals, too bad
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webhappy
Profile Joined February 2012
20 Posts
March 03 2013 11:39 GMT
#96
On March 02 2013 07:27 Evil_Sheep wrote:
This series was like a mirror of Innovation v Symbol. Both terrans were renowned for their zerg-killing abilities and superb lategame macro-oriented style. Both zergs scouted this and prepared a variety of aggressive builds and all-ins to keep it from going to the terran's favoured lategame every time.

I feel that Roro won because he did his homework in this series and Taeja did not. As I wrote earlier, Roro's only loss to terran this GSL was to MKP, both games to early timing attacks that caught him off-balance. # of timing attacks Taeja made this series: 0. At the same time, if Taeja watched the VOD's, he would see that Roro has gone for a lot of early aggression in zvt. Yet he was caught unprepared both times by early all-ins. The worst example was on Icarus, which is basically a 2-base all-in map, and he went triple-cc and went down to a simple baneling bust.

Basically Innovation and Taeja were stuck on one style that got figured out, and it led to their downfall.


This is a very good analysis. MKP really dominated Roro with his proxy gimmicks. In his Ro32 game 1, he 2-raxed and even got his bunker up at Roro's nat. He would've crushed game 1 but decided to put his rax add-ons outside his base where they got sniped. Game 2, he proxy-rax'ed, got scouted, but still won because he forced Roro to cancel his hatch first. Game 3, MKP won on Whirlwind (!) w/ a timing marine/stim push. The key is that he prompted Roro to cheese w/ an early pool. Taeja should mix in the occasional 2-rax.

I also agree w/ the similarity to how Innovation lost. After seeing INnovation crush Stephano, I thought he would win the GSL but he was too greedy w/ his openings vs Zergs and lost on Icarus, the same way Taeja did.

I also agree that both Taeja and Innovation have very good mid-late game w/ their multi-prong drops. The game that Innovation took down DRG on Akilon was incredible; DRG was so confused that he threw a bunch of infestors away.
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
March 03 2013 11:57 GMT
#97
Sigh it's really disappointing to see the game's balance end up this way in the twilight of the game, the top of the top are obviously loaded with Zergs. Take nothing away from Roro though, he's a great player having much less experience and caught up so well from behind. Hopefully we'll a mix of races among the top pros in hots after this season.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 03 2013 15:26 GMT
#98
RorO... truely anti-fan for me.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2142 Posts
March 03 2013 17:30 GMT
#99
KeSPA Code S champion?
Bumalate
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
March 04 2013 06:30 GMT
#100
I'm so sad right now...
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