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FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:54 GMT
#201
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.
Raziel44
Profile Joined July 2012
Estonia7 Posts
July 27 2012 11:54 GMT
#202
I think it was a great final.However,i don't understand why there is such hate against Seed.He mearly played better than MC,thus deserved it.

I found it awesome how suprised he was when he won.
AlbertHR
Profile Joined June 2011
Indonesia65 Posts
July 27 2012 11:56 GMT
#203
yeah,, Seed simply win 3 games out of Build order win,, but don't forget that the first game is because he scouted that MC went for double gas,, and he tricked MC and thus gets the win,,, and the last game was all about positioning,,, Seed pulled one or two Colossus of MC out of position by sending Zealots to the Natural of MC !!

And Seed was ahead in upgrades,, he has 2 attack upgrades when MC only had +1 when the engagement happened !

But MC is not playing like he used to be,, MC is like DRG when DRG was fighting MC in the Semifinal (Oh the Irony)
Playing to get better, Get better to Win !!
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 27 2012 11:56 GMT
#204
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV
SC > halo
FecalTank
Profile Joined March 2012
United States70 Posts
July 27 2012 11:57 GMT
#205
Boring to watch, too much cheese for my tastes.
"Why is it that one knows not what one will do in the future, nor what one thought of it back then?" | Goddamnit Oreki, it was right there.
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 27 2012 12:00 GMT
#206
On July 27 2012 20:54 Raziel44 wrote:
I think it was a great final.However,i don't understand why there is such hate against Seed.He mearly played better than MC,thus deserved it.

I found it awesome how suprised he was when he won.
y

i am not gona take anything away from seed but look at who MC had to beat to get to the finals....you cant say he played better then him after watchin this the match-up is very coin flipy..... idk koreans never show any emtion =/
SC > halo
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 12:06 GMT
#207
On July 27 2012 20:54 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.


Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.

Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.

Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP

Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.

Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.

Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 12:07 GMT
#208
On July 27 2012 20:50 ArcadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..


sry, my bad, shouldn't mess with goldies here
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poohzz
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)10 Posts
July 27 2012 12:10 GMT
#209
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote:
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV



Still better than NA GM tho.
ㅈㅈ
eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
July 27 2012 12:14 GMT
#210
excitement? sadly kinda non existent...
Leerok
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden15 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#211
Good guy Seed gave 1 point to MC out of courtesy.
Jangbi,Bisu,Stork,Nal_Ra,Reach,Zeus,AnyTime,Kingdom,MoViE,bEst,Garimito,Naniwa,Creator,Squirtle,PartinG,White_Ra,firebathero,Seed
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#212
On July 27 2012 21:07 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:50 ArcadeR wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..


sry, my bad, shouldn't mess with goldies here


Sad counter dude, just sad ~~
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#213
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote:
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV


Your post is so full of bs it's hard to take you seriously. :/
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
July 27 2012 12:23 GMT
#214
Really anticlimactic, uneventful final =/
Bizeheryer
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany307 Posts
July 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#215
''Does a postman celebrate when he delivers the mail?''
M.Balotelli

=)
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
July 27 2012 12:39 GMT
#216
Dunno why people are hatin' on Seed. It's just a pathetic matchup, nothing he can do about it. It's painfully obvious that allins are WAY stronger than any expo builds and frankly I'm glad he displayed it to all the naive PvP-fans.

They should just remove warpgates already and buff gate units, which will turn P into a real race. But I guess that'll never happen.
CV-Mackh
Profile Joined April 2012
France102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 12:46:33
July 27 2012 12:46 GMT
#217
On July 27 2012 21:06 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:54 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.


Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.

Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.

Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP

Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.

Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.

Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!



Nice analysis!

I didn't think that was a bad final, just one sided because Seed outsmarted an over greedy MC. And the season was quite awesome I thought, taeja/naniwa fighting!
A bit sad for the zergs tho, I would I loved to see Symbol in Finale. But great season overall
Just a few more drones I sware !
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
July 27 2012 12:47 GMT
#218
Good write up
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
July 27 2012 12:51 GMT
#219
Most boring finals I've ever seen. Hopefully better next season.

TvZ will always be the coolest MU.
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wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
July 27 2012 14:24 GMT
#220
A rousing epitomization of the design that is SC2. Yes indeed, TPTB delivered terrible, terrible damage and also by sleight of hand terrible, terrible MUs.
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