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[Code S] Grand Finals: MC vs Seed

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July 26th, 2012 22:41 GMT
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Code S Grand Finals: MC vs Seed


By: Fionn & Waxangel

For those of you who find PvP boring, we recommend NrGmonk's PvP viewing guide for a breakdown of the strategies and tactics that make the maligned mirror much more interesting than it may seem at first glance.

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Photo credit: Ethan Ahn, www.leveltory.com. Art: shiroiusagi



  • (P)SK_MC

    Strengths
    – The best Protoss player in the world.
    – Unsurpassed experience in front of huge, live audiences.
    – Completely fearless and unpredictable in multi-game series.
    – Excellent small scale battle micro, especially force-fields.

    Weaknesses
    – Very inconsistent against other top level Protoss players.
    – Possibly overconfident, though he could just be playing mind games.
    – SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.

    Ideal winning scenario: Proves that PvP can be epic and entertaining, regardless of the final score.

    Craziest winning scenario: Literally flips a coin inside the booth before each game, proceeds to win.
  • (P)LG-IM_Seed

    Strengths
    – Showed a total lack of fear in his second GSL run ever.
    – Huge heart, coming back from serious deficits against more highly rated opponents.
    – Has the full support of LG-IM as the team seeks to complete a T-Z-P GSL grand slam.


    Weaknesses
    – Has only played in front of a GSL studio crowd, not thousands at a live final.
    – PvP has been largely untested in the GSL.
    – Never played a highly competitive best of seven.



    Ideal winning scenario: Proves that PvP can be epic and entertaining, regardless of the final score.

    Craziest winning scenario: Goes down 0 - 3, comes back with a reverse-sweep to solidify his position as the gutsiest player ever.



MC: Everything to gain, nothing to lose

MC's 'Protoss President' nickname never really made much sense. No one can recall ever voting for him, nor was anyone made aware of any alternative, opposition candidates on the ballot. Also, the length of his term was also a matter of dispute – don't most Presidencies come with some kind of constitutional limit?

However, after this week's press conference where Seed declared himself as the leader of the rebellion and MC made comments like "Might over right," things suddenly became much clearer. MC may be a man of the people, but he's no democratically elected leader. He came to power through a military coup d'état and has appointed himself the President-for-life.

You must admit, he's had a hugely successful reign so far. After taking office in December of 2010, MC has managed to stay in power for around eighteen months, which is longer than some actual South Korean Presidents. Though his military might has waxed and waned with time, it's always stayed powerful enough to keep his foot on his opponents. Like any good dictator, he's accrued an obscene amount of money in his slush fund through lucrative international ventures. And despite his despotic ways, el Presidente has remained hugely popular with the people, wisely keeping them entertained with plenty of bread (figuratively) and circuses (literally?). It's a regime so secure and so expertly run that it's expected to last forever.

One might think complacency and boredom would have caused MC to decline by now, but he has resisted erosion even though his traits runs counter to everything our pro-gaming common knowledge tells us a champion should have. From engaging ridiculously frequently in international travel, having a high-profile girlfriend, to streaming a few days before the finals, MC's approach to pro-gaming doesn't make it look like the life and death affair other champions make it out to be. Though it's not hard to envision Nestea polishing his three GSL trophies, muttering "good work, idiot" as he watches MC's stream, the winner prediction polls suggests that there's nothing flawed with MC's approach.

"I'm naturally good at everything" sounds like a boast from MC's pro-wrestler-like public persona, but it's uncannily close to the truth. Here he is, sitting on the most prize money earned in Starcraft II, in position to surpass Nestea as the second best player ever and to further his lead as the reigning greatest-Protoss-of-all-time. On top of that, no one even seems to resent him like some of the other wildly successful people in the world, and instead he receives almost pure adulation from his fans. Also, he's a pretty decent dancer, and chases down robbers and chastises them in foreign languages. No wonder Seed said MC was his role model.

It's part of what makes running the hype machine for MC so difficult. He's the man who already has everything. Anything he gains is just icing on the cake, reconfirmation of the greatness we already know exists. The other factor is that not only does he enjoy all the positives of pro-gaming, but he seems immune to its negatives. The last time MC was seen truly feeling the pain of defeat was when Jinro eliminated him from GSL January, back when he had only one title. Since then, he's just transcended all the negativity of pro-gaming, celebrating his victories and basking in the spotlight while taking all of his losses in stride. Yes, this has removed the possibility of tragedy, the chance that someone might break down in tears is which make some of these grand finals. What has been gained in return? The best showman in the business, the most outward enthusiasm and love for the industry you'll ever see, and a man who appreciates the fans more than anyone.

Perhaps you might never cry if you decided to cheer for MC as a fan. But you will always be entertained, and more importantly, you will never lose.


Seed: Sometimes, the world is wrong

Living up to a legacy is hard. Any player who plays on a team with arguably the two best players to ever touch Starcraft 2 is going to have a difficult time. While Mvp and Nestea ruled the Starcraft 2 world, winning title after title and filling up the Incredible Miracle house with trophies galore, Seed was for the longest time, nothing but a once-hyped up player who turned out to be a bust. A long fall for a player who was in line to become the top Protoss for Incredible Miracle when he first sprouted onto the team.

During the first season of GSTL, Seed was the backbone of IM's Protoss line and formed a three -headed monster alongside Mvp and Nestea. Incredible Miracle won the first GSTL championship and was proclaimed by all to be the best team not only in Korea, but the strongest team by far in the entire world.

Nestea and Mvp continued on, taking their thrones as the best Zerg and Terran in the world. They would go back-and-forth trading GSL titles and setting records that no other player could match. So, with two heads of the Incredible Miracle Cerberus reigning over Korea, where was the third? Seed simply vanished from the scene. Not able to qualify for Code A. Not able to do well in online tournaments. It was as if the first GSTL was a dream we all had together, from which we suddenly woke.

It wasn't till almost a year later that Seed finally re-emerged, qualifying for the GSL. By then, Seed was no more than another washed up Protoss hope that turned out to be nothing. Parting, Squirtle, and Hero were the new hopes people put their faith in to now to capture a title for Protoss, and Seed was just another player in Code A that people didn't really know what to make of. He was able to secure his spot in the GSL for a second season by beating Monster in the first round, and then took out an ailing Boxer in the second round. While he was able to pick up some wins, it wasn't the most impressive feat beating a relative unknown in Monster and then beating up Boxer who was known to be suffering from a bad shoulder.

In fairness to Seed, it wasn't his fault that he had such high expectations to live up to. Even when he was able to qualify for Code S through his win over Leenock in the final stage of Code A, people thought of him as a solid player, but not someone you could even begin to compare with his two living-legend teammates. While Seed had spent the past year being completely anonymous, Mvp and Nestea had already built their legacies, and the Protoss line of Incredible Miracle was known for being good in team league, but notorious chokers when it came to qualifiers and the GSL.

Seed tried to change that. From getting into Code S, to getting second place in RaidCall Invitational after losing a close series to Alive by a 2 – 3 scoreline, Seed was picking up steam. Unfortunately for him, his debut in Code S didn't go exactly as planned, losing in the opening series to Supernova, taking a 2 – 0 win against the equally inexperienced BboongBboongPrime, and then falling in the final series to Genius in a close 2 – 1 scoreline where he just barely failed to advance. It was a so-so beginning to his Code S career, but at least Seed had cemented himself for the time being as a fringe Code S player with who had the potential to get better depending on how he responded to this setback.

After getting kicked out of Code S, Seed ran into a freight train known as Symbol who knocked him all the way back down to the Up-and-Down matches where he would have to play for his Code S life.

As it turns out, this was the pivotal point in Seed's career. If he failed to get through the Up/Downs, then his brief appearance in Code S would only have been a flare-up, a short lived revival from a player who had peaked long ago. If he could persevere the unspeakable rigors of the Up/Down matches, show that he was hungrier than the rest, then he could prove that he deserved to take a step beyond the first.

Seed rose to the challenge and never looked back. Starting with against none other than MC, Seed reeled off three straight victories and pole-vaulted himself back into Code S for another season.

From that point on, it was Seed vs. The World. Every week he would be picked to lose by the majority of people watching, Seed would start off slow and make everyone believe that their doubts were well founded. Then he would suddenly come alive, turn into an invincible force and advance into the next round. After getting through the Ro32 from only defeating the Code S impaired Curious twice in a row, Seed started gaining some credibility by beating Violet and then Taeja to make it out of his Ro16 group in a surprising first place.

Still, no one believed in him. The other seven players left in the tournament were all far more attractive picks to win it all. Compared to Mvp's Superman and Nestea's Batman, Seed was Aquaman at best. He could still be a hero in his own right, but would make everyone laugh if he tried to pretend he was equal to the two legends of Starcraft 2. With just 1% of the TeamLiquid community picking him to win it all, Seed began his march through the knockout rounds.

Falling down 0 – 2 to Symbol, the player who already eliminated him once the season before, things started to look very bad for Seed. However, it was then that we got a true glimpse of who Seed really was for the first time in his career. We had seen the ceremonies he performed in earlier rounds, we knew he was a solid Protoss player, but we had never seen him with his back against the wall, face to face to adversity. What Seed showed us was a level of confidence only possessed by a handful of players in our time, as he punched adversity straight in face to pull off a magnificent reverse-sweep to take the series 3 – 2.

The most impressive display throughout the comeback was how ridiculously confident Seed was in the face of elimination. Usually when you are down 2-0, you don't show any emotion when you've only clawed one game back. Not true for Seed, as he actually did performed a manner Nexus ceremony on Symbol in the middle of a close game. Not even Bomber would have dared to drop manner mules that early. after taking his first game back and setting the entire tone for the rest of the series. The only other time in GSL where you can recall a player having such an irrational sense of confidence in his ability before actually winning anything would have to be MC all the way back in the early seasons before he beat Rain to win his first championship.

This continued into the semifinals. Getting a quick first win against Byun due to some nice defense against his opponent's all-in, Seed fell behind for the second straight week after letting multi-prong attacks involving hellion drops roast his economy in two consecutive games. When it seemed time for Seed to fade away into the night and get thrown in with the other Protoss pretenders of this era, we saw the never-say-die attitude come in once again. Down 1 – 2, he fell behind for the third straight game, letting Byun's hellions take down his economy, but he didn't wave the white flag so he could catch bus home in time.

With some DT harassment, some terrible indecision by Byun, and amazing defense at home, Seed turned the tides for a second series in a row and forced a fifth deciding map. Just like Symbol, Byun couldn't take the heat once he was the one getting grilled, and he choked out in the fifth set. Seed won, claimed his spot in the final, and forced the world open their eyes to the fact that a champion could be emerging right in front of them.

The thing that sets Seed apart from Squirtle, Parting and Hero is his sense of confidence. Yes, we've seen Parting talk big in interviews and Squirtle run an absolute clinic until the final game of last season's finals, but neither can hold a candle when we're talking about Seed. This is a player who has come back two straight weeks in situations that almost no player could come back from. Even when a desperate hail Mary is the only chance he has at surviving, he still believes that there is no way he can be stopped. This is what makes him the perfect opponent for MC.

They're both cocky. They both believe they're the best. They both think that by the time the finals end, they will be doing an epic ceremony on the beaches of Busan with the championship trophy in their grasp. It's been 500 plus days since Protoss finally had a champion and on this night, that curse will finally come to an end once and for all. If the old king takes the victory, he will not only take his third championship, but solidify himself as the Protoss President for not only the time being, but for the distant future as well.

The current ruler of Aiur will be coming into this series as the heavy favorite, but that's alright with Seed. Everyone picked against him in his last two series, he fell behind, but he came back to win both in the end. For the past year, all comments about him were that he was never going to be anything and that all the hype he got from Tastosis in the GSTL was nothing but a lot of hot air. Now, standing at the gates of the final and having a chance to win his first championship, Seed knows what he has to do.

For 500 days Protoss have suffered, but no longer. For a new savior has come to save everyone from their old king. At the start of the tournament, Seed was nothing more than a commoner trying to find his place in the vast lands of the GSL. With his victories and experience along the way, he is finally ready to take on his final test to try and claim the only prize Incredible Miracle have yet to claim.

Bright lights? Biggest crowd ever for a GSL finals? On a beach? For many, this would be a burden. The spotlight would blind them, the roaring of the crowd would put fear in their hearts. Not for Seed, though. This is what he has dreamed for since he started playing. He wants the spotlight. He wants the fans. Bigger the moment, the bigger Seed will perform and the better he will do when everything is on the line.

This season, the world was always wrong, and Seed was always right. You're welcome to pick against him again, if you'd like.







Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and shiroiusagi.
Front page photo: Ethan Ahn (leveltory.com)
Editor: Waxangel.
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Australia54784 Posts
July 26 2012 22:50 GMT
#2
WOOOOOOOO
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Estonia33 Posts
July 26 2012 22:50 GMT
#3
great article
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Canada2497 Posts
July 26 2012 22:51 GMT
#4
ill be pulling an all nighter cant wait
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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 26 2012 22:52 GMT
#5
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1612 Posts
July 26 2012 22:53 GMT
#6
Seed looks so similar to Jaedong in that picture :D Really looking forward to this finals. Being uninterested just because it's a mirror means that you're an impure SC fan!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33298 Posts
July 26 2012 22:53 GMT
#7
even superman has bullshit daddy issues, MC should just change his ID to PerfectMan
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An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
July 26 2012 22:54 GMT
#8
"Perhaps you might never cry if you decided to cheer for MC as a fan. But you will always be entertained, and more importantly, you will never lose"


Hah, simply, one of the greatest lines i've read in a long time.


Great write-up!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33298 Posts
July 26 2012 22:54 GMT
#9
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote:
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though


it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
July 26 2012 22:55 GMT
#10
On July 27 2012 07:54 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote:
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though


it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today

lol that is probably true. Thanks for clarifying it.
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United States31 Posts
July 26 2012 22:56 GMT
#11
AAAHHHHHH MCMCMCMCMC!!!!!!!!!! the BOSSTOSS Is Back In The GSL White House ... Its Time For REELECTION!
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Bangladesh21 Posts
July 26 2012 22:57 GMT
#12
excellent write up!!! im so hyped!
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United States12 Posts
July 26 2012 22:58 GMT
#13
Amazing article!
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GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
July 26 2012 23:00 GMT
#14
AGH.

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I'm an MC fan.

On the other hand, I'm british, and that means I'm honour bound to always root for the underdog.

...

...



SEEEEEEDDDDDD FIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTIIIIINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
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Canada113 Posts
July 26 2012 23:01 GMT
#15
lets go seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
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United States566 Posts
July 26 2012 23:03 GMT
#16
I peed
Must not sleep, must warn others
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 26 2012 23:03 GMT
#17
The Protoss world needs new leadership! I would prefer Squirtle or Parting, but I'll take Seed. At least until someone else can unseat him! Anyone but MC fighting!
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United States1518 Posts
July 26 2012 23:04 GMT
#18
On July 27 2012 08:00 GuitarBizarre wrote:
AGH.

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I'm an MC fan.

On the other hand, I'm british, and that means I'm honour bound to always root for the underdog.

...

...



SEEEEEEDDDDDD FIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTIIIIINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!


british, lol

PvP Finals, who da thunk it
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Profile Joined July 2012
Canada206 Posts
July 26 2012 23:05 GMT
#19
Excited to see if Seed can overtake MC. If he can, he will be the second player to make his first appearance in Code S and win it. I believe the first one is Jjakji?
After all, we just want to be happy, don't we?
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Peru2011 Posts
July 26 2012 23:06 GMT
#20
Will Tasteless call it the best finals to date?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
July 26 2012 23:07 GMT
#21
Seed is gonna win this. He has had everyone against him all season. In my opinion all the pressure is on MC not Seed Mc is supposed to win . Thats why Seed will
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Canada263 Posts
July 26 2012 23:08 GMT
#22
sorry seed =(, but mc is the 99%, and last i checked, 99>1
GOGO MC!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 26 2012 23:08 GMT
#23
"Vote against him, if you dare."

I did it lol

BTW Today, with this and Media Day, I have seen SO MANY Seed puns that it actually disappoints me. lol
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Canada714 Posts
July 26 2012 23:08 GMT
#24
Damn Sick article gave me nerd chills It's Time for the IM Grand Slam
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2012 23:09 GMT
#25
On July 27 2012 08:05 Ritchie wrote:
Excited to see if Seed can overtake MC. If he can, he will be the second player to make his first appearance in Code S and win it. I believe the first one is Jjakji?


Jjakji won in his second season of Code S.

This would tie Jjakji since this is Seed's second season.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 26 2012 23:09 GMT
#26
you guys are fucking brilliant great job
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 26 2012 23:09 GMT
#27
Falling down 0 – 2 to Symbol, the player who already eliminated him once the season before, things didn't looked very bad for Seed.

err
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
July 26 2012 23:12 GMT
#28
Yay! Protoss represent, and first PvP finals ever ^_^ hoping MC can take his 3rd!
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United States2309 Posts
July 26 2012 23:13 GMT
#29
One of my favorite articles to date TL! Seed fighting!
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 26 2012 23:13 GMT
#30
No prediction? ;P. But yeah I laughed at the SK gaming joke xD. Hoping MC remains only toss champ!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 26 2012 23:13 GMT
#31
On July 27 2012 07:54 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote:
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though


it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today

I wonder what that's possibly supposed to mean ^^
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United States324 Posts
July 26 2012 23:14 GMT
#32
MC!!!! ALL TEH WAY BOSS TOSS. President MC!!!!
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Belgium3627 Posts
July 26 2012 23:15 GMT
#33
As always a great preview of events.
Fionn and Waxangle, you guys have some serious journalistic skills.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
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Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States35 Posts
July 26 2012 23:18 GMT
#34
MC wins hands down
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4044 Posts
July 26 2012 23:20 GMT
#35
Man, would be so amazing if MC wins 3 before any other toss wins 1. Gogo make history MC :D
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United States89 Posts
July 26 2012 23:20 GMT
#36
Its a shame they have to use that sick stage for a PvP finals.
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United States2847 Posts
July 26 2012 23:20 GMT
#37
Huuuuuh. I don't mind seeing new up-and-comers show up and dominate the scene, but I gotta go with the old-school on this one.

BossToss for the win!! :-D
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Last Edited: 2012-07-26 23:21:33
July 26 2012 23:21 GMT
#38
are we gonna see quadruple vortex? i hope so, for no reason.
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United States1373 Posts
July 26 2012 23:22 GMT
#39
all i want is a good finals
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United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 26 2012 23:22 GMT
#40
On July 27 2012 08:20 bropedo wrote:
Its a shame they have to use that sick stage for a PvP finals.


At least GSTL is the day after.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
July 26 2012 23:22 GMT
#41
On July 27 2012 08:06 Kergy wrote:
Will Tasteless call it the best finals to date?

Will they make a prediction for the new zerg bonjwa?
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 26 2012 23:24 GMT
#42
Weaknesses

– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.


whaaaaaaaaaat !?
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Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
July 26 2012 23:24 GMT
#43
On July 27 2012 08:09 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
Falling down 0 – 2 to Symbol, the player who already eliminated him once the season before, things didn't looked very bad for Seed.

err

There is like tons of errors like this. I caught the first ten and I usually don't notice everything

Doesn't really matter though. Awesome write-up and it just made me even more hyped!
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
July 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#44
HNNNNNGGGGGGG I love MC as much I love LGIM
KaRath_
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 23:25:53
July 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#45
On July 27 2012 08:24 NexCa wrote:
Weaknesses

– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.


whaaaaaaaaaat !?



People don't understand jokes these days XD

I personally don't care who wins. These are the best matches in my opinion, two good players going up in a matchup where they could both make anything happen. Either way, it's going to be a victory for Protoss players.

Sad Zealot? We need a happy Zealot now

EDIT: Awesome write-up, I get nerd chills everytime I do read these lol
I wasted my nights, you turned out the lights, now I'm paralysed, still stuck in that time...
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
July 26 2012 23:25 GMT
#46
Amazing hype article. Very well written! Too bad I can't watch the finals.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
OPdave
Profile Joined June 2012
United States30 Posts
July 26 2012 23:26 GMT
#47
The excitement is too much for my pants
Command and Conquer
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
July 26 2012 23:29 GMT
#48
On July 27 2012 07:53 Waxangel wrote:
even superman has bullshit daddy issues, MC should just change his ID to PerfectMan


And associate himself with the most disappointing BW player-to-ID relationship ever?

I hope not.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17656 Posts
July 26 2012 23:29 GMT
#49
On July 27 2012 08:26 OPdave wrote:
The excitement is too much for my pants

My excitement is also too much for your pants!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
July 26 2012 23:34 GMT
#50
On July 27 2012 08:21 jinorazi wrote:
are we gonna see quadruple vortex? i hope so, for no reason.


DOUBLE ARCHON TOILET ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FINALS
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
July 26 2012 23:35 GMT
#51
I'm waking up at 4am to watch this :D
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
bne27
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States18 Posts
July 26 2012 23:35 GMT
#52
On July 27 2012 08:29 Nuclease wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:53 Waxangel wrote:
even superman has bullshit daddy issues, MC should just change his ID to PerfectMan


And associate himself with the most disappointing BW player-to-ID relationship ever?

I hope not.


Yeah, maybe he should go with IrOnman with all that swag and money that he got.
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
July 26 2012 23:39 GMT
#53
Come on MC!!
bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
July 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#54
Wow thanks for linking that PvP guide at the start. I feel like PvP is one of the matchups I understand the least, so it'll help come finals time tonight.
Yoo Ara | Lee Min Jung /Suzy/Taeyeon/Eunji/ NaRae/ Alice
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
July 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#55
you cant go against seed
IM & EG supporter
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36999 Posts
July 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#56
LOL!

God these write ups just get better and better!

<3 Wax + Fionn
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
July 26 2012 23:42 GMT
#57
seed has been doubted this whole season and yet has risen to the challenge. this is just the last hurdle. even if he loses, no one can say that seed is not a quality player. I can't name any player that could be down 0-2 to symbol and come back to win.
CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
July 26 2012 23:43 GMT
#58
READY TO ROAR
Team owner of team QTLing
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 26 2012 23:44 GMT
#59
Personally, I hate PvP, that's for me, the worst match up in SC2 ... and I'm still wondering why i'm so exciting for this Final ! ^^

Anyway, I think it's going to be very Close between those 2 guys ! And I hope that Seed's gonna take this.

Prediction : Seed 4 - 2 MC
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 26 2012 23:44 GMT
#60
Good write up. SEED HWAITING!!!!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2012 23:46 GMT
#61
gonna say MC 5-2. his pvp is shaky? come on, its almost 70%. seed is at 40%.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
BabyChickY
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany17 Posts
July 26 2012 23:49 GMT
#62
sorry for having this stupid question, but can i watch this final for free? I just saw in gomtv.net that there is a SQ free stream but can we really watch it? it won't be smart idea when i pay 25$ for the last 2 finals
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 26 2012 23:49 GMT
#63
oh mannn.. EPIC FINALS

GO SEED!!!!!!!!
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 26 2012 23:53 GMT
#64
On July 27 2012 08:49 BabyChickY wrote:
sorry for having this stupid question, but can i watch this final for free? I just saw in gomtv.net that there is a SQ free stream but can we really watch it? it won't be smart idea when i pay 25$ for the last 2 finals


Yeah you can. You can download it for free (just check the Website of GomTV). Tomorrow when the stream start, just select the SQ and it would be okay !
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
July 26 2012 23:57 GMT
#65
I didnt even realize it was today! Isn't the finals usually on friday? Either way- the BossToss has got this easy!
Long live the Boss Toss!
Checkm8
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan627 Posts
July 26 2012 23:57 GMT
#66
On July 27 2012 08:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
gonna say MC 5-2. his pvp is shaky? come on, its almost 70%. seed is at 40%.


Lol, not sure if intended or just a typo...
Regenerating brain cells, please wait - - -
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
July 27 2012 00:01 GMT
#67
I'm honestly hoping MC takes the first three, only for Seed to have the most epic comeback ever to win it 4-3. It would probably one of the most insane things that could happen, considering the route Seed has taken. DRG and Squirtle both failed in their comebacks, Seed has shown that he's the comeback master.

Honestly with this being the first PvP finals, and the two players being so confident and ballsy, it's primed to be either the best or worse finals we have ever seen.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 27 2012 00:07 GMT
#68
Go Seed!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Chainedsage
Profile Joined June 2011
United States37 Posts
July 27 2012 00:11 GMT
#69
>Best protoss player in the world

That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ
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NihilisticGod
Profile Joined March 2011
Northern Ireland174 Posts
July 27 2012 00:21 GMT
#70
come on the BossToss!
Too weird to live... too rare to die.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 00:22:58
July 27 2012 00:21 GMT
#71
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote:
>Best protoss player in the world

That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ


Oz is in Code A and has to go through the Up & Downs to get to Code S, why would you even bring him up? Unless he can make it to a finals he isn't the better player.
Moderatorlickypiddy
s1ege
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)123 Posts
July 27 2012 00:23 GMT
#72
So where are the predictions?
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 00:25:01
July 27 2012 00:24 GMT
#73
nice writeup.

i wouldnt be happy for any of them if they win.
mc is an entertainer, but he won enough
seed is the underdog, no one knows him, no one cares :s


lets just hope the best on this finals will not only be the stage, but also maybe some good games ¬¬
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 27 2012 00:26 GMT
#74
I care. Seed hwaiting
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
July 27 2012 00:27 GMT
#75
I want 3-0 MC, then Seed win 3 for 3-3, then MC wins it in epic final game where they both proxy 2 gate eachother and it comes down to 1 zealot vs 1 zealot. Yep, gogo!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
July 27 2012 00:32 GMT
#76
On July 27 2012 08:00 GuitarBizarre wrote:
AGH.

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I'm an MC fan.

On the other hand, I'm british, and that means I'm honour bound to always root for the underdog.

...

...



SEEEEEEDDDDDD FIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTIIIIINGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!


wait so how about that american revolution thing? #HUEHUEHUEHUE

go Seed. I remember wayyyy back in GSTL season like 1/2 he was sent out and I told myself "someday that guy will win big"
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
ArchangelJada
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada910 Posts
July 27 2012 00:45 GMT
#77
This is gonna be freakign amazing!!
ShampooSuicide
Profile Joined June 2010
United States58 Posts
July 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#78
On July 27 2012 09:01 draumr wrote:
I'm honestly hoping MC takes the first three, only for Seed to have the most epic comeback ever to win it 4-3. It would probably one of the most insane things that could happen, considering the route Seed has taken. DRG and Squirtle both failed in their comebacks, Seed has shown that he's the comeback master.

Honestly with this being the first PvP finals, and the two players being so confident and ballsy, it's primed to be either the best or worse finals we have ever seen.


It could be not that great but worst finals? When people say that I always have to remember Nestea vs Inca...I don't think a finals could be worst than that. What will happen?! DT expand...it fails he gets stompped....Yeah that finals was terrible.
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
July 27 2012 00:49 GMT
#79
I have a 5$ bet with stimilant that MC will win
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 27 2012 00:55 GMT
#80
On July 27 2012 07:54 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote:
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though


it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today


Eve just couldn't resist Crank's charms.
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:03:08
July 27 2012 01:00 GMT
#81
Amazing write up as always.

And Teamliquid needs to make the no spoilers thing actully work.

Cuz they are failing.

Hard.

MC wins 4:0 cuz he cheese.
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 27 2012 01:03 GMT
#82
So pumped. But MC will take it. Sorry 1%ers but it won't last.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 27 2012 01:04 GMT
#83
On July 27 2012 10:00 CrtBalorda wrote:
Amazing write up as always.

And Teamliquid needs to make the no spoilers thing actully work.

Cuz they are failing.

Hard.


By not hiding this article you mean?

The semis have been played over a week ago now... If you consider this a spoiler you're probably just too slow.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:09:47
July 27 2012 01:08 GMT
#84
On July 27 2012 10:04 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 10:00 CrtBalorda wrote:
Amazing write up as always.

And Teamliquid needs to make the no spoilers thing actully work.

Cuz they are failing.

Hard.


By not hiding this article you mean?

The semis have been played over a week ago now... If you consider this a spoiler you're probably just too slow.


Yea but its a feature thats worth making work right. And if the no spoilers isnt ment to hide these articles, then I think it is worth making it hide these articles.

Bit scary trying to use the website when you can be spoiled at any moment.
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
July 27 2012 01:11 GMT
#85
Wow the hype for seed in this article is amazing.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 01:18:54
July 27 2012 01:18 GMT
#86
If MC wants to mind-game Seed, he should just lose the first game. The most dangerous thing to do is to go 2-0 or 3-0 on Seed and let him start thinking "I have nothing to lose, I might as well play my best now".

I think both crazy winning scenarios will happen. MC will go up 3-0 on Seed, then Seed will mount his comeback to 3-3. Before Game 7, MC breaks out a coin and flips it in the booth. It is revealed to be a Two Face coin that says "cheese" on both sides.

Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 27 2012 01:19 GMT
#87
amazing writeup, TL never disappoints

I'm sorry Seed - you're a very likeable guy and I can definitely see myself cheering for you in any other series, but MC's got this and he's going to go Gangnam Style around your booth after he wins.
ffxiv enjoyer
RynoSoren
Profile Joined November 2011
United States32 Posts
July 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#88
The MvP Superman and NesTea Batman comment was great haha
BraveProbe
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
July 27 2012 01:26 GMT
#89
I picked seed out of the group for ro32 and ro16; picked seed to beat the "new zerg bonjwa" (artosis voice) symbol and picked seed to beat the guy who 3-0 nestea that is byun. But, sorry seed. Even I think you have no chance against MC. I'm with the world on this one.
Startale Legend Fan Club
Daok
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany97 Posts
July 27 2012 01:29 GMT
#90
Hi,

is there any chance I can only listen to the GSL finals tonight? I have a really bad connection on my phone and listening to the cast would be enough for me.

Can you change settings in the gomplayer to make this happen or are there any other ways?

Greets
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
July 27 2012 01:32 GMT
#91
I must say (nothing to do with the article of course :p), but Seed looks like a mix between Jaedong and Puzzle !

That said, the writeup is still very good. Also, love the underdog story. Seed, FIGHTING !
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
July 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#92
I am going to go against Seed, MC has the experience and he is hungry for a title, Seed will win it in a future, but not this finals.
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
EmmeCY
Profile Joined June 2012
Malaysia417 Posts
July 27 2012 01:47 GMT
#93
On July 27 2012 10:19 DoNotDisturb wrote:
amazing writeup, TL never disappoints

I'm sorry Seed - you're a very likeable guy and I can definitely see myself cheering for you in any other series, but MC's got this and he's going to go Gangnam Style around your booth after he wins.


For the sake of watching MC go all Gangnam Style around Seed's booth, I'm rooting for MC.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
July 27 2012 01:54 GMT
#94
Amazing write-up
I haven't been this hyped for a finals in a long time!
GOGO MC!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Reval
Profile Joined January 2012
United States297 Posts
July 27 2012 01:54 GMT
#95
SK sabotaging him to keep him affordable. I nearly fell out of my chair at that one
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
July 27 2012 01:57 GMT
#96
As long as it isn't a 4-0 sweep I'll be happy. Memories of last year still haunt me.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ThreeSixDrew
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada183 Posts
July 27 2012 01:59 GMT
#97
I think people will be surprised at how good this finals will be!
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
July 27 2012 02:00 GMT
#98
my prediction: 3-3, game seven is a tie.
:D
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Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
July 27 2012 02:03 GMT
#99
This season, the world was always wrong, and Seed was always right. You're welcome to pick against him again, if you'd like.


Gave me chills, yo.

I've been picking seed every round and he hasn't let me down yet. I've been an MC fan since GSL3 though, so I can't decide who I want to win. I just hope it will be good. I'm fairly confident that it will be.
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
July 27 2012 02:04 GMT
#100
After 8-0 and qualifying his first ever code A (2012 GSL Season 1), Seed just streamrolled and 6-0 beating monster, Boxer, Leenock, securing his first ever Code S (2012 GSL Season 2).

In a word, Seed just entered the Code S right after he qualified Code A without losing a single set in the whole round (14-0)

What a amazing player!
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 02:05:13
July 27 2012 02:04 GMT
#101
After 8-0 and qualifying his first ever code A (2012 GSL Season 1), Seed just streamrolled and 6-0 beating monster, Boxer, Leenock, securing his first ever Code S (2012 GSL Season 2).

In a word, Seed just entered the Code S right after he qualified Code A without losing a single set in the whole round (14-0)

What a amazing player!



Btw, his last 5 matches record is

2-0 (Curious)
2-1 (viOlet)
2-0 (Taeja)
3-2 (Symbol)
3-2 (Byun)
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
July 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#102
I'll be rooting for seed

Seriously though we need a new protoss leader
Too strange to live, too rare to die.
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
July 27 2012 02:13 GMT
#103
Wonderful article. Love it! MC!!!!
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#104
hahahaha cant believe this is happening. where are all the haters who said sk would destroy mc's career at? huh? where they all go?
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
July 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#105
MC FIGHTING. Although P v P won't be as exciting as Squirtle vs MVP (That Vortex JIZZZ) It'll still be cool :D
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
July 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#106
MC is the Protoss Dictator, Seed is leader of the Free World Rebel Forces.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
July 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#107
Hey guys, something prophetic happened to me today. I was at my job cleaning an office building, and I found this plastic gun in the trash that had printed on it, " BOSS TOSS." No lie. Sorry Seed fans, but it is destiny that MC gets his 3rd GSL tonight.
Pink Floyd's music is like a beautiful girl walking down the street who won't talk to you.
sTsCaboose
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States10 Posts
July 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#108
GOGO MC!!!!!!!
“All warfare is based on deception.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
quickclickz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
July 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#109
Was waiting for this lol. GO MC
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 03:22:20
July 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#110
Thank you for the wonderful article teamliquid Fionn, Waxangel, and Meko (And anyone else involved)!
Although I haven't been paying much attention to the GSL's as of recent times this piece has revitalized my interest in the finals.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
doomed
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia420 Posts
July 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#111
I just hope the whole thing isn't over in 40mins :/
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#112
Lets GO protoss! Hypehypehype

Even on vacay ill be waking up for this.

Great writeup!
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 27 2012 03:45 GMT
#113
Article is a tad on the long side for hype, as about 2/3rd down I had to force myself to keep reading.

oh and you forgot to capitalize an a.
+ Show Spoiler [The paragraph its in] +
The most impressive display throughout the comeback was how ridiculously confident Seed was in the face of elimination. Usually when you are down 2-0, you don't show any emotion when you've only clawed one game back. Not true for Seed, as he actually did performed a manner Nexus ceremony on Symbol in the middle of a close game. Not even Bomber would have dared to drop manner mules that early. after taking his first game back and setting the entire tone for the rest of the series. The only other time in GSL where you can recall a player having such an irrational sense of confidence in his ability before actually winning anything would have to be MC all the way back in the early seasons before he beat Rain to win his first championship.

Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 27 2012 04:09 GMT
#114
Hmm, that's a lot of hype.

Would have like to see some discussion for PvP, predictions and maybe some analysis of playstyles.

Still, hype is good. I feel hyped =D
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
July 27 2012 04:33 GMT
#115
Does this mean we've had every single matchup in the Final now? I definitely remember TvT, ZvZ, ZvP, PvT and now this gives us PvP. I'm also sure there's been a TvZ, right?
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 27 2012 04:40 GMT
#116
On July 27 2012 13:33 althaz wrote:
Does this mean we've had every single matchup in the Final now? I definitely remember TvT, ZvZ, ZvP, PvT and now this gives us PvP. I'm also sure there's been a TvZ, right?

1st and 2nd ones were TvZ
Fruitdealer vs Rainbow
Nestea vs MKP

and more recently we had Jjakji over Leenock
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
July 27 2012 04:41 GMT
#117
On July 27 2012 08:09 Dodgin wrote:
you guys are fucking brilliant great job

I agree. Hype overwhelming.

+ Show Spoiler +
Seed is gonna win.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
July 27 2012 04:42 GMT
#118
It appears, this election has our favourite "you have no choice" choice.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 27 2012 04:45 GMT
#119
I would stay away from voting for that seedy looking fellow, and go with the tried and true boss toss
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
grummel
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany46 Posts
July 27 2012 05:12 GMT
#120
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote:
>Best protoss player in the world

That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ


How can someone say he is NOT the best protoss player in the world????
It MAY be that there are some P with better pvt skills or pvz skills, but you gotte be kidding.
He is the only toss so far to win a GSL, he is the SC2 player with the highest earnings overall with the most consistent high rankings in all tournaments he is playing in and you consider him NOT to be the best protoss alive?
That has to be a bad joke sir
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 27 2012 05:26 GMT
#121
Will MC win his 3rd GSL championship and remain the only Protoss to ever win a GSL to date, or will Seed take the victory and make LG-IM the first ever team to win the GSL with the 3 different races ?
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
July 27 2012 05:27 GMT
#122
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote:
>Best protoss player in the world

That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ

k did Oz win anything noteworthy? ANYTHING? nice try tho.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
July 27 2012 05:27 GMT
#123
On July 27 2012 13:09 bittman wrote:
Hmm, that's a lot of hype.

Would have like to see some discussion for PvP, predictions and maybe some analysis of playstyles.

Still, hype is good. I feel hyped =D

There's some discussion of PvP in the first line. ^.~
Moderator
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 05:57:27
July 27 2012 05:57 GMT
#124
On July 27 2012 14:27 jkang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote:
>Best protoss player in the world

That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ

k did Oz win anything noteworthy? ANYTHING? nice try tho.

Haha I like how Oz wins 4-1 against stephano and people start calling him the best pvzer on the planet. Anyone saying that MC isn't the best protoss player is a fool. In 2012 alone he's won 3 tournaments, made several deep runs in foreign tourneys (top 3 nasl, top 3 HSC for recent events) and he is in the finals of the GSL this season. Which protoss is close to him ? None.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
July 27 2012 06:11 GMT
#125
Great writeup as always. I'm really looking forward to this.

I hope Seed takes it home for IM
What a player
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 06:23:41
July 27 2012 06:22 GMT
#126
– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.

is there precedent to say something like this? otherwise that's sort of weird. how can they sabotage him?
e-- okay it is allegedly a joke, must be a bw reference
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
July 27 2012 06:32 GMT
#127
You guys sure know how to hype PvP matchup.
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 06:44:50
July 27 2012 06:44 GMT
#128
oh just realized the match isn't for another 3 hours or so... fml
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
July 27 2012 06:46 GMT
#129
Haha, I like the description of how MC became the Protoss President. I'm pretty certain that's how it would go down on Aiur too. The baddest Protoss of them all gets to sit in the High Chair in the Citadel of Adun. By right. Elections don't figure.
KT best KT ~ 2014
it_is_rizzo
Profile Joined June 2012
Armenia12 Posts
July 27 2012 06:48 GMT
#130
On July 27 2012 15:32 Acidosis wrote:
You guys sure know how to hype PvP matchup.


Oh yes they do.

I Actually dont like 2 watch PvP matches, but i must see how MC wins his 3rd GSL Championchip ^_^
I should live up to the name © Lim Yo-Hwan - `BoxeR`
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 27 2012 07:01 GMT
#131
They both said they would make the games entertaining but I hope it doesn't hurt them I just want to see them give their all and may the best win.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Rob-ThePhantom
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia9 Posts
July 27 2012 07:03 GMT
#132
Siiiick writeup! I love this dictator v cocky rebel narrative. It's basically Han Solo v The Emperor. GO MC GO!
Give me your ladder points!
Romme
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland2 Posts
July 27 2012 07:06 GMT
#133
Ahh...Work soon going to miss finals! Why friday not saturday or sunday like usually ?
Sorsat tulloo ! PAM! PAM! PAM! Sain kaikki ! Perkele !
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
July 27 2012 07:12 GMT
#134
Sporting my IM uniform to Barcraft today :D I'd love to see MC win a 3rd, but I want that IM TZP Grand Slam
ichnaschekot
Profile Joined January 2011
380 Posts
July 27 2012 07:14 GMT
#135
MC will just stomp him. 4-0.
WespeWilly
Profile Joined July 2012
1 Post
July 27 2012 07:16 GMT
#136
think mc will win. but im looking forward...
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 27 2012 07:17 GMT
#137
Amazing read! Wish i could watch the finals...
MC FIGHTING
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
July 27 2012 07:21 GMT
#138
Great article indeed. Now I`m torn whom to root for.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
July 27 2012 07:28 GMT
#139
First GSL final ever I dont get to watch..
Jung woo Sung I hate you.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
July 27 2012 07:31 GMT
#140
Oh, I just realized GSL Finals is in 2 hours. Thought it was tomorrow initially. xD
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Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
July 27 2012 08:05 GMT
#141
Gangnam toss Hwaiting!
Rogue Deck
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
July 27 2012 08:18 GMT
#142
MC must win, it's not time yet for other protosses to achieve anything, not before MC grows wings and flies into the sunset.

i've said this before MC's second finals as well, i don't care if it's boring as shit games as long as he wins, go MC
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
July 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#143
On July 27 2012 07:53 Waxangel wrote:
even superman has bullshit daddy issues, MC should just change his ID to PerfectMan


I couldn't agree more Great article as usual!
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
July 27 2012 08:41 GMT
#144
One of those rare finals where either winner I will be equally happy with, so long as the games are entertaining. Should be good!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
CrAyZeD
Profile Joined January 2012
United States36 Posts
July 27 2012 09:06 GMT
#145
Great read! MC FIGHTING!
Nice To Meet You!<3
Motion
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany183 Posts
July 27 2012 09:10 GMT
#146
– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.

WTF Guys, pure speculation?

Well maybe Teamliquid sabotage Seed in order to get him signed to Team Liguid ...

lol
http://www.gentle-nerds.com
GuaGua
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4 Posts
July 27 2012 09:15 GMT
#147
It's the first time i will miss a GSL Final and it's not even because it's a PvP.
Why on friday ? =( , OK we will have gstl final tomorrow but i'm working today )
I understand that in Korea it will be friday night but I'm kind of dissapointed ...

MC Hwaiting !
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 27 2012 09:18 GMT
#148
On July 27 2012 09:55 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 07:54 Waxangel wrote:
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote:
uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?

Good write up other than that though


it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today


Eve just couldn't resist Crank's charms.


Who can tbh
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
DarthBotto
Profile Joined January 2011
United States72 Posts
July 27 2012 09:31 GMT
#149
SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.


Even though that's a joke, that won't happen. I can assure you that under reis' leadership, the best players have been treated with nothing short of dignity. Hell, MC's like his little brother, to be honest.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
July 27 2012 09:34 GMT
#150
SEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!
Tendoi
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania62 Posts
July 27 2012 09:51 GMT
#151
I've never been so excited for a GSL finals since MMA vs. Mvp. Hopefully it'll go to all 7 games.
I sleep more than koreans practice.
rckY
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
July 27 2012 10:07 GMT
#152
Oppa Gangnam incoming! Looking forward to this! GOGO BOSSTOSS!
InGlip
Profile Joined May 2011
Greece29 Posts
July 27 2012 10:14 GMT
#153
MC so baller!
When Broodlords start shooting Banelings that day i will start playing Zerg....Until then....My life for Aiur...
Ship1t
Profile Joined July 2012
Slovenia4 Posts
July 27 2012 10:19 GMT
#154
where can I watch the match?
ashkon91
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States34 Posts
July 27 2012 10:24 GMT
#155
Is it me or are there a bunch of open seats. It seems like less than half the seats are taken.
The real #1 EGSuppy fan
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
July 27 2012 10:27 GMT
#156
"– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable."

Is the author of this article serious?

Oh and, mentioning LotF in sc2... So uncool and undeserved.
eujjjjj
Laeon
Profile Joined May 2011
France53 Posts
July 27 2012 10:43 GMT
#157
5 minutes games, 25 minutes breaks/ads.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 10:46 GMT
#158
On July 27 2012 19:43 Laeon wrote:
5 minutes games, 25 minutes breaks/ads.


Agreed. I don't think every game will be that short, but come on.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
July 27 2012 10:48 GMT
#159
Epic writeup. *-* I just have to cheer for Seed - his comebacks were far to epic to not love him.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#160
Seed 2-0 ! May be MC want to make a "Seed". Lose 3-0 and then a Big Come Back from the Boss Toss !

I don't see that happen, but that could be awesome. Anyway i'm cheering for Seed who's showing very interesting games (even if those games are not so long ^^)
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
July 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#161
Gogo Seed! ^^
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#162
F*** YOU SEED !

too afraid to play standart against MC ? Seriously ? 2-0 by just cheesing ? **** YOU
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
July 27 2012 10:57 GMT
#163
Now that was some really dissapointing games.

Gratz for MC to try and play nice macro games.

Seed just became for me the cheezzzzee champion. Hope MC will wipe the floor wih him in the upcoming games.
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 27 2012 10:59 GMT
#164
Come on guys, That's part of the game. And there are counter to cheeses ... MC Didn't saw it, that's his fault. And we all know that 75% of PvP is one Base All-in ...
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
ReD-EyeD
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation32 Posts
July 27 2012 10:59 GMT
#165
I was a fan of Seed, but now I just hate him. MC fighting!
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:05 GMT
#166
jesus this match up is horrible
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
July 27 2012 11:06 GMT
#167
Hey look another one base play.
Seed, oh seed.

This really is similar as cheezing your way into GM.
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
Waterboarding
Profile Joined June 2012
37 Posts
July 27 2012 11:07 GMT
#168
hope the gomtvt haters realise how good the old days were.....
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 27 2012 11:07 GMT
#169
On July 27 2012 19:55 NexCa wrote:
F*** YOU SEED !

too afraid to play standart against MC ? Seriously ? 2-0 by just cheesing ? **** YOU

It's part of the game. If MC can't play safe...
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:09 GMT
#170
On July 27 2012 20:07 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 19:55 NexCa wrote:
F*** YOU SEED !

too afraid to play standart against MC ? Seriously ? 2-0 by just cheesing ? **** YOU

It's part of the game. If MC can't play safe...


except playing safe in P mirror is... going one base too. fascinating.

this race is so terribly boring to watch i'm actually close to shedding a tear.
GloryOfAiur
Profile Joined October 2011
United States127 Posts
July 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#171
I feel great for MC playing safe PvP, but you know against this kid, he needs to start playing like he used to.
poohzz
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)10 Posts
July 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#172
So many crying bitches, this is game and its play to win, and u all crying bitches should stfu and learn some game. QQMOAR
ㅈㅈ
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
July 27 2012 11:13 GMT
#173
i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t
Sc2 always got your back
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 11:15:25
July 27 2012 11:14 GMT
#174
On July 27 2012 19:55 NexCa wrote:
F*** YOU SEED !

too afraid to play standart against MC ? Seriously ? 2-0 by just cheesing ? **** YOU


Calm down Dude, 50k one the line...what do you think the players care for? And stop whine about cheesing. Cheeses on this lvl of play are as good as every other strat/tac cause if MC is vulnerable to it its his fucking fault and not Seed's..

God damn I hate crying Kids...


*edit* and pls no Gold-League shit about imba Cheeses...players like MC have to think of every possibility and are known for best reflecting stuff like this...so they have to do it also in a 50k GSL-Mega-Summer-Beach-Final...thx.. *edit*
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 11:14 GMT
#175
On July 27 2012 20:07 Waterboarding wrote:
hope the gomtvt haters realise how good the old days were.....


Nah, TvTs tend to be in the other extreme category of hour long tank standoffs. Seed is preparing good builds, and MC is playing greedy. Not Seed's fault here.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:14 GMT
#176
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote:
i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t


lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?

one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 11:17 GMT
#177
And to the people mentioning about how they put up this huge stage and it's going to be such a short series, I'm pretty sure they are doing GSTL finals there tomorrow night as well.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 11:18 GMT
#178
On July 27 2012 20:14 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote:
i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t


lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?

one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.


MC 1 gate expoed in the last game... that's his fault for losing in PvP with a 1 gate expo.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
ReD-EyeD
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation32 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 11:19:10
July 27 2012 11:18 GMT
#179
On July 27 2012 20:14 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.

Well, I saw Seed blinking 2 times, so it must be about 75 apm. Get your facts right before you post.
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
July 27 2012 11:19 GMT
#180
Are people seriously being surprised by cheese in PvP?
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
July 27 2012 11:20 GMT
#181
so good we got the PVP matchup guide linked to us, cause you know, PvP ain't shit at all, it's just us not knowing what to look for. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
eujjjjj
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 27 2012 11:20 GMT
#182
On July 27 2012 20:14 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote:
i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t


lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?

one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.



Just Because you're a FanBoy of MC doesn't mean that Seed's playing like a noob with Ridiculous Tactics. MC knows better than everyone else that PvP is very Cheesy.
And, Oh Yeah, 50 APM ? MC is known for his incredible Micro with small group of units, but in those game, we didn't see this micro.

MC too Greedy, wrong choice of tactics and I think his Micro's not as good as usual ===> MC's Fault if he looses !
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 11:24 GMT
#183
And now super-epic combat games plz, would be nice..didn't catch the first three games ~~
Kinsal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
July 27 2012 11:25 GMT
#184
at least gstl finals are tomorrow to makeup for this
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:25 GMT
#185
On July 27 2012 20:20 Cartman_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:14 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote:
i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t


lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?

one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.



Just Because you're a FanBoy of MC doesn't mean that Seed's playing like a noob with Ridiculous Tactics. MC knows better than everyone else that PvP is very Cheesy.
And, Oh Yeah, 50 APM ? MC is known for his incredible Micro with small group of units, but in those game, we didn't see this micro.

MC too Greedy, wrong choice of tactics and I think his Micro's not as good as usual ===> MC's Fault if he looses !


i'm in no way a fanboy of MC.
i like good starcraft and am upset of seeing horrid games in what's supposed to be the finals of the most skilled competition around.

again i blame protoss, the very wrongly designed race.
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 11:26 GMT
#186
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:27 GMT
#187
LOL AND ANOTHER BUILD ORDER WIN

BLIZZARD DO SOMETHING PLEASE, PLEASE
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 11:28 GMT
#188
Ha, " you cheese me ? I cheese you ! IN YA FACE SEED ! "
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 11:29 GMT
#189
lalala I cant hear you..... -.- ..srsly dude, calm down. Take it easy and stop being whiny like this.... you look like the fat guy at comic-con that has _allways_ a Question and something to say... :D
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 11:29 GMT
#190
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 11:30 GMT
#191
Now for 3 45 minute epic PvP slugfests. Seed wins in game 7. Calling it right now.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 11:31:49
July 27 2012 11:30 GMT
#192
^True

This finals is cheese-o-rama.
It's funny, just becasue it's so ridiculous
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
ReD-EyeD
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation32 Posts
July 27 2012 11:41 GMT
#193
2 base! Oh, GOD, two bases! I've never been so happy to see 2 base play.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 11:48 GMT
#194
well... congratz Seed I guess ...
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
Cartman_
Profile Joined July 2012
119 Posts
July 27 2012 11:48 GMT
#195
Well played Seed ! 4-1 against the BossToss !
| SK Telecom T1 | --- | Bisu & BoxeR Forever, FanTaSy, INnoVation, Dark, soO, Dream <3 |
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 11:49:25
July 27 2012 11:48 GMT
#196
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 11:50 GMT
#197
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 11:52 GMT
#198
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
PaWnStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
Switzerland27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 11:57:11
July 27 2012 11:53 GMT
#199
Is it just asian behaviour or doesn't seed care about his win? :O Nothing agains asians at all but i've expected some more happyness and dancing :DDDD

Congratz on the awesome matches (of seed)! Didnt like how MC was playing this day
Ah nvm i think his parents are watching :DDD

And MC can still smile, awesomeness in person! Just get over it and get your 3rd batch next season!!!!
blazingblue16
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada41 Posts
July 27 2012 11:54 GMT
#200
What a terrible final, so one sided.
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
July 27 2012 11:54 GMT
#201
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
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On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.
Raziel44
Profile Joined July 2012
Estonia7 Posts
July 27 2012 11:54 GMT
#202
I think it was a great final.However,i don't understand why there is such hate against Seed.He mearly played better than MC,thus deserved it.

I found it awesome how suprised he was when he won.
AlbertHR
Profile Joined June 2011
Indonesia65 Posts
July 27 2012 11:56 GMT
#203
yeah,, Seed simply win 3 games out of Build order win,, but don't forget that the first game is because he scouted that MC went for double gas,, and he tricked MC and thus gets the win,,, and the last game was all about positioning,,, Seed pulled one or two Colossus of MC out of position by sending Zealots to the Natural of MC !!

And Seed was ahead in upgrades,, he has 2 attack upgrades when MC only had +1 when the engagement happened !

But MC is not playing like he used to be,, MC is like DRG when DRG was fighting MC in the Semifinal (Oh the Irony)
Playing to get better, Get better to Win !!
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 27 2012 11:56 GMT
#204
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV
SC > halo
FecalTank
Profile Joined March 2012
United States70 Posts
July 27 2012 11:57 GMT
#205
Boring to watch, too much cheese for my tastes.
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ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 27 2012 12:00 GMT
#206
On July 27 2012 20:54 Raziel44 wrote:
I think it was a great final.However,i don't understand why there is such hate against Seed.He mearly played better than MC,thus deserved it.

I found it awesome how suprised he was when he won.
y

i am not gona take anything away from seed but look at who MC had to beat to get to the finals....you cant say he played better then him after watchin this the match-up is very coin flipy..... idk koreans never show any emtion =/
SC > halo
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 27 2012 12:06 GMT
#207
On July 27 2012 20:54 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.


Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.

Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.

Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP

Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.

Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.

Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 12:07 GMT
#208
On July 27 2012 20:50 ArcadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..


sry, my bad, shouldn't mess with goldies here
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poohzz
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)10 Posts
July 27 2012 12:10 GMT
#209
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote:
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV



Still better than NA GM tho.
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eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
July 27 2012 12:14 GMT
#210
excitement? sadly kinda non existent...
Leerok
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden15 Posts
July 27 2012 12:18 GMT
#211
Good guy Seed gave 1 point to MC out of courtesy.
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ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#212
On July 27 2012 21:07 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:50 ArcadeR wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..


sry, my bad, shouldn't mess with goldies here


Sad counter dude, just sad ~~
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 27 2012 12:20 GMT
#213
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote:
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV


Your post is so full of bs it's hard to take you seriously. :/
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
July 27 2012 12:23 GMT
#214
Really anticlimactic, uneventful final =/
Bizeheryer
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany307 Posts
July 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#215
''Does a postman celebrate when he delivers the mail?''
M.Balotelli

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speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
July 27 2012 12:39 GMT
#216
Dunno why people are hatin' on Seed. It's just a pathetic matchup, nothing he can do about it. It's painfully obvious that allins are WAY stronger than any expo builds and frankly I'm glad he displayed it to all the naive PvP-fans.

They should just remove warpgates already and buff gate units, which will turn P into a real race. But I guess that'll never happen.
CV-Mackh
Profile Joined April 2012
France102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 12:46:33
July 27 2012 12:46 GMT
#217
On July 27 2012 21:06 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 20:54 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:52 Wingblade wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen.
4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.

gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now

... what a wasted season of code S :-/


Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.



oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.

the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.


Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.

Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.

Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP

Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.

Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.

Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!



Nice analysis!

I didn't think that was a bad final, just one sided because Seed outsmarted an over greedy MC. And the season was quite awesome I thought, taeja/naniwa fighting!
A bit sad for the zergs tho, I would I loved to see Symbol in Finale. But great season overall
Just a few more drones I sware !
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
July 27 2012 12:47 GMT
#218
Good write up
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
July 27 2012 12:51 GMT
#219
Most boring finals I've ever seen. Hopefully better next season.

TvZ will always be the coolest MU.
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wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
July 27 2012 14:24 GMT
#220
A rousing epitomization of the design that is SC2. Yes indeed, TPTB delivered terrible, terrible damage and also by sleight of hand terrible, terrible MUs.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
July 27 2012 16:13 GMT
#221
On July 27 2012 21:20 ArcadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 21:07 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:50 ArcadeR wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:29 NexCa wrote:
On July 27 2012 20:26 ArcadeR wrote:
Hahaha GG xD
Expo first? Shame on you!..

SC2 pvp..the new BW ZvZ :D



rofl, you obviouly don't know know what you're talking 'bout


A hint for you: Reverse..


sry, my bad, shouldn't mess with goldies here


Sad counter dude, just sad ~~


Just telling the truth, you shouldn't post anything regarding PvP if you know shit about this game in general
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
July 28 2012 07:06 GMT
#222
MC!
Jaedong <3
UrsusRex
Profile Joined July 2012
United States85 Posts
July 28 2012 07:51 GMT
#223
I agree that the finals were pretty poor matches. Most games Husky or Day9 cast on youtube are more entertaining than this GSL finals. I also feel that despite winning MC is still a far better player than his opponent in every respect. Honestly even losing the finals MC still is a much better and more accomplished player than Seed. I have nothing bad to say about Seed but he is not the President.
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