For those of you who find PvP boring, we recommend NrGmonk's PvP viewing guide for a breakdown of the strategies and tactics that make the maligned mirror much more interesting than it may seem at first glance.
Strengths – The best Protoss player in the world. – Unsurpassed experience in front of huge, live audiences. – Completely fearless and unpredictable in multi-game series. – Excellent small scale battle micro, especially force-fields.
Weaknesses – Very inconsistent against other top level Protoss players. – Possibly overconfident, though he could just be playing mind games. – SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.
Ideal winning scenario: Proves that PvP can be epic and entertaining, regardless of the final score.
Craziest winning scenario: Literally flips a coin inside the booth before each game, proceeds to win.
Strengths – Showed a total lack of fear in his second GSL run ever. – Huge heart, coming back from serious deficits against more highly rated opponents. – Has the full support of LG-IM as the team seeks to complete a T-Z-P GSL grand slam.
Weaknesses – Has only played in front of a GSL studio crowd, not thousands at a live final. – PvP has been largely untested in the GSL. – Never played a highly competitive best of seven.
Ideal winning scenario: Proves that PvP can be epic and entertaining, regardless of the final score.
Craziest winning scenario: Goes down 0 - 3, comes back with a reverse-sweep to solidify his position as the gutsiest player ever.
MC: Everything to gain, nothing to lose
MC's 'Protoss President' nickname never really made much sense. No one can recall ever voting for him, nor was anyone made aware of any alternative, opposition candidates on the ballot. Also, the length of his term was also a matter of dispute – don't most Presidencies come with some kind of constitutional limit?
However, after this week's press conference where Seed declared himself as the leader of the rebellion and MC made comments like "Might over right," things suddenly became much clearer. MC may be a man of the people, but he's no democratically elected leader. He came to power through a military coup d'état and has appointed himself the President-for-life.
You must admit, he's had a hugely successful reign so far. After taking office in December of 2010, MC has managed to stay in power for around eighteen months, which is longer than some actual South Korean Presidents. Though his military might has waxed and waned with time, it's always stayed powerful enough to keep his foot on his opponents. Like any good dictator, he's accrued an obscene amount of money in his slush fund through lucrative international ventures. And despite his despotic ways, el Presidente has remained hugely popular with the people, wisely keeping them entertained with plenty of bread (figuratively) and circuses (literally?). It's a regime so secure and so expertly run that it's expected to last forever.
One might think complacency and boredom would have caused MC to decline by now, but he has resisted erosion even though his traits runs counter to everything our pro-gaming common knowledge tells us a champion should have. From engaging ridiculously frequently in international travel, having a high-profile girlfriend, to streaming a few days before the finals, MC's approach to pro-gaming doesn't make it look like the life and death affair other champions make it out to be. Though it's not hard to envision Nestea polishing his three GSL trophies, muttering "good work, idiot" as he watches MC's stream, the winner prediction polls suggests that there's nothing flawed with MC's approach.
"I'm naturally good at everything" sounds like a boast from MC's pro-wrestler-like public persona, but it's uncannily close to the truth. Here he is, sitting on the most prize money earned in Starcraft II, in position to surpass Nestea as the second best player ever and to further his lead as the reigning greatest-Protoss-of-all-time. On top of that, no one even seems to resent him like some of the other wildly successful people in the world, and instead he receives almost pure adulation from his fans. Also, he's a pretty decent dancer, and chases down robbers and chastises them in foreign languages. No wonder Seed said MC was his role model.
It's part of what makes running the hype machine for MC so difficult. He's the man who already has everything. Anything he gains is just icing on the cake, reconfirmation of the greatness we already know exists. The other factor is that not only does he enjoy all the positives of pro-gaming, but he seems immune to its negatives. The last time MC was seen truly feeling the pain of defeat was when Jinro eliminated him from GSL January, back when he had only one title. Since then, he's just transcended all the negativity of pro-gaming, celebrating his victories and basking in the spotlight while taking all of his losses in stride. Yes, this has removed the possibility of tragedy, the chance that someone might break down in tears is which make some of these grand finals. What has been gained in return? The best showman in the business, the most outward enthusiasm and love for the industry you'll ever see, and a man who appreciates the fans more than anyone.
Perhaps you might never cry if you decided to cheer for MC as a fan. But you will always be entertained, and more importantly, you will never lose.
Seed: Sometimes, the world is wrong
Living up to a legacy is hard. Any player who plays on a team with arguably the two best players to ever touch Starcraft 2 is going to have a difficult time. While Mvp and Nestea ruled the Starcraft 2 world, winning title after title and filling up the Incredible Miracle house with trophies galore, Seed was for the longest time, nothing but a once-hyped up player who turned out to be a bust. A long fall for a player who was in line to become the top Protoss for Incredible Miracle when he first sprouted onto the team.
During the first season of GSTL, Seed was the backbone of IM's Protoss line and formed a three -headed monster alongside Mvp and Nestea. Incredible Miracle won the first GSTL championship and was proclaimed by all to be the best team not only in Korea, but the strongest team by far in the entire world.
Nestea and Mvp continued on, taking their thrones as the best Zerg and Terran in the world. They would go back-and-forth trading GSL titles and setting records that no other player could match. So, with two heads of the Incredible Miracle Cerberus reigning over Korea, where was the third? Seed simply vanished from the scene. Not able to qualify for Code A. Not able to do well in online tournaments. It was as if the first GSTL was a dream we all had together, from which we suddenly woke.
It wasn't till almost a year later that Seed finally re-emerged, qualifying for the GSL. By then, Seed was no more than another washed up Protoss hope that turned out to be nothing. Parting, Squirtle, and Hero were the new hopes people put their faith in to now to capture a title for Protoss, and Seed was just another player in Code A that people didn't really know what to make of. He was able to secure his spot in the GSL for a second season by beating Monster in the first round, and then took out an ailing Boxer in the second round. While he was able to pick up some wins, it wasn't the most impressive feat beating a relative unknown in Monster and then beating up Boxer who was known to be suffering from a bad shoulder.
In fairness to Seed, it wasn't his fault that he had such high expectations to live up to. Even when he was able to qualify for Code S through his win over Leenock in the final stage of Code A, people thought of him as a solid player, but not someone you could even begin to compare with his two living-legend teammates. While Seed had spent the past year being completely anonymous, Mvp and Nestea had already built their legacies, and the Protoss line of Incredible Miracle was known for being good in team league, but notorious chokers when it came to qualifiers and the GSL.
Seed tried to change that. From getting into Code S, to getting second place in RaidCall Invitational after losing a close series to Alive by a 2 – 3 scoreline, Seed was picking up steam. Unfortunately for him, his debut in Code S didn't go exactly as planned, losing in the opening series to Supernova, taking a 2 – 0 win against the equally inexperienced BboongBboongPrime, and then falling in the final series to Genius in a close 2 – 1 scoreline where he just barely failed to advance. It was a so-so beginning to his Code S career, but at least Seed had cemented himself for the time being as a fringe Code S player with who had the potential to get better depending on how he responded to this setback.
After getting kicked out of Code S, Seed ran into a freight train known as Symbol who knocked him all the way back down to the Up-and-Down matches where he would have to play for his Code S life.
As it turns out, this was the pivotal point in Seed's career. If he failed to get through the Up/Downs, then his brief appearance in Code S would only have been a flare-up, a short lived revival from a player who had peaked long ago. If he could persevere the unspeakable rigors of the Up/Down matches, show that he was hungrier than the rest, then he could prove that he deserved to take a step beyond the first.
Seed rose to the challenge and never looked back. Starting with against none other than MC, Seed reeled off three straight victories and pole-vaulted himself back into Code S for another season.
From that point on, it was Seed vs. The World. Every week he would be picked to lose by the majority of people watching, Seed would start off slow and make everyone believe that their doubts were well founded. Then he would suddenly come alive, turn into an invincible force and advance into the next round. After getting through the Ro32 from only defeating the Code S impaired Curious twice in a row, Seed started gaining some credibility by beating Violet and then Taeja to make it out of his Ro16 group in a surprising first place.
Still, no one believed in him. The other seven players left in the tournament were all far more attractive picks to win it all. Compared to Mvp's Superman and Nestea's Batman, Seed was Aquaman at best. He could still be a hero in his own right, but would make everyone laugh if he tried to pretend he was equal to the two legends of Starcraft 2. With just 1% of the TeamLiquid community picking him to win it all, Seed began his march through the knockout rounds.
Falling down 0 – 2 to Symbol, the player who already eliminated him once the season before, things started to look very bad for Seed. However, it was then that we got a true glimpse of who Seed really was for the first time in his career. We had seen the ceremonies he performed in earlier rounds, we knew he was a solid Protoss player, but we had never seen him with his back against the wall, face to face to adversity. What Seed showed us was a level of confidence only possessed by a handful of players in our time, as he punched adversity straight in face to pull off a magnificent reverse-sweep to take the series 3 – 2.
The most impressive display throughout the comeback was how ridiculously confident Seed was in the face of elimination. Usually when you are down 2-0, you don't show any emotion when you've only clawed one game back. Not true for Seed, as he actually did performed a manner Nexus ceremony on Symbol in the middle of a close game. Not even Bomber would have dared to drop manner mules that early. after taking his first game back and setting the entire tone for the rest of the series. The only other time in GSL where you can recall a player having such an irrational sense of confidence in his ability before actually winning anything would have to be MC all the way back in the early seasons before he beat Rain to win his first championship.
This continued into the semifinals. Getting a quick first win against Byun due to some nice defense against his opponent's all-in, Seed fell behind for the second straight week after letting multi-prong attacks involving hellion drops roast his economy in two consecutive games. When it seemed time for Seed to fade away into the night and get thrown in with the other Protoss pretenders of this era, we saw the never-say-die attitude come in once again. Down 1 – 2, he fell behind for the third straight game, letting Byun's hellions take down his economy, but he didn't wave the white flag so he could catch bus home in time.
With some DT harassment, some terrible indecision by Byun, and amazing defense at home, Seed turned the tides for a second series in a row and forced a fifth deciding map. Just like Symbol, Byun couldn't take the heat once he was the one getting grilled, and he choked out in the fifth set. Seed won, claimed his spot in the final, and forced the world open their eyes to the fact that a champion could be emerging right in front of them.
The thing that sets Seed apart from Squirtle, Parting and Hero is his sense of confidence. Yes, we've seen Parting talk big in interviews and Squirtle run an absolute clinic until the final game of last season's finals, but neither can hold a candle when we're talking about Seed. This is a player who has come back two straight weeks in situations that almost no player could come back from. Even when a desperate hail Mary is the only chance he has at surviving, he still believes that there is no way he can be stopped. This is what makes him the perfect opponent for MC.
They're both cocky. They both believe they're the best. They both think that by the time the finals end, they will be doing an epic ceremony on the beaches of Busan with the championship trophy in their grasp. It's been 500 plus days since Protoss finally had a champion and on this night, that curse will finally come to an end once and for all. If the old king takes the victory, he will not only take his third championship, but solidify himself as the Protoss President for not only the time being, but for the distant future as well.
The current ruler of Aiur will be coming into this series as the heavy favorite, but that's alright with Seed. Everyone picked against him in his last two series, he fell behind, but he came back to win both in the end. For the past year, all comments about him were that he was never going to be anything and that all the hype he got from Tastosis in the GSTL was nothing but a lot of hot air. Now, standing at the gates of the final and having a chance to win his first championship, Seed knows what he has to do.
For 500 days Protoss have suffered, but no longer. For a new savior has come to save everyone from their old king. At the start of the tournament, Seed was nothing more than a commoner trying to find his place in the vast lands of the GSL. With his victories and experience along the way, he is finally ready to take on his final test to try and claim the only prize Incredible Miracle have yet to claim.
Bright lights? Biggest crowd ever for a GSL finals? On a beach? For many, this would be a burden. The spotlight would blind them, the roaring of the crowd would put fear in their hearts. Not for Seed, though. This is what he has dreamed for since he started playing. He wants the spotlight. He wants the fans. Bigger the moment, the bigger Seed will perform and the better he will do when everything is on the line.
This season, the world was always wrong, and Seed was always right. You're welcome to pick against him again, if you'd like.
Writers: Fionn and Waxangel. Graphics and Art: Meko and shiroiusagi. Front page photo: Ethan Ahn (leveltory.com) Editor: Waxangel.
Seed looks so similar to Jaedong in that picture :D Really looking forward to this finals. Being uninterested just because it's a mirror means that you're an impure SC fan!
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote: uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?
Good write up other than that though
it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote: uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?
Good write up other than that though
it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
lol that is probably true. Thanks for clarifying it.
The Protoss world needs new leadership! I would prefer Squirtle or Parting, but I'll take Seed. At least until someone else can unseat him! Anyone but MC fighting!
Excited to see if Seed can overtake MC. If he can, he will be the second player to make his first appearance in Code S and win it. I believe the first one is Jjakji?
Seed is gonna win this. He has had everyone against him all season. In my opinion all the pressure is on MC not Seed Mc is supposed to win . Thats why Seed will
On July 27 2012 08:05 Ritchie wrote: Excited to see if Seed can overtake MC. If he can, he will be the second player to make his first appearance in Code S and win it. I believe the first one is Jjakji?
Jjakji won in his second season of Code S.
This would tie Jjakji since this is Seed's second season.
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote: uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?
Good write up other than that though
it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.
whaaaaaaaaaat !?
People don't understand jokes these days XD
I personally don't care who wins. These are the best matches in my opinion, two good players going up in a matchup where they could both make anything happen. Either way, it's going to be a victory for Protoss players.
Sad Zealot? We need a happy Zealot now
EDIT: Awesome write-up, I get nerd chills everytime I do read these lol
Wow thanks for linking that PvP guide at the start. I feel like PvP is one of the matchups I understand the least, so it'll help come finals time tonight.
seed has been doubted this whole season and yet has risen to the challenge. this is just the last hurdle. even if he loses, no one can say that seed is not a quality player. I can't name any player that could be down 0-2 to symbol and come back to win.
sorry for having this stupid question, but can i watch this final for free? I just saw in gomtv.net that there is a SQ free stream but can we really watch it? it won't be smart idea when i pay 25$ for the last 2 finals
On July 27 2012 08:49 BabyChickY wrote: sorry for having this stupid question, but can i watch this final for free? I just saw in gomtv.net that there is a SQ free stream but can we really watch it? it won't be smart idea when i pay 25$ for the last 2 finals
Yeah you can. You can download it for free (just check the Website of GomTV). Tomorrow when the stream start, just select the SQ and it would be okay !
I'm honestly hoping MC takes the first three, only for Seed to have the most epic comeback ever to win it 4-3. It would probably one of the most insane things that could happen, considering the route Seed has taken. DRG and Squirtle both failed in their comebacks, Seed has shown that he's the comeback master.
Honestly with this being the first PvP finals, and the two players being so confident and ballsy, it's primed to be either the best or worse finals we have ever seen.
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote: >Best protoss player in the world
That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ
Oz is in Code A and has to go through the Up & Downs to get to Code S, why would you even bring him up? Unless he can make it to a finals he isn't the better player.
I want 3-0 MC, then Seed win 3 for 3-3, then MC wins it in epic final game where they both proxy 2 gate eachother and it comes down to 1 zealot vs 1 zealot. Yep, gogo!
On July 27 2012 09:01 draumr wrote: I'm honestly hoping MC takes the first three, only for Seed to have the most epic comeback ever to win it 4-3. It would probably one of the most insane things that could happen, considering the route Seed has taken. DRG and Squirtle both failed in their comebacks, Seed has shown that he's the comeback master.
Honestly with this being the first PvP finals, and the two players being so confident and ballsy, it's primed to be either the best or worse finals we have ever seen.
It could be not that great but worst finals? When people say that I always have to remember Nestea vs Inca...I don't think a finals could be worst than that. What will happen?! DT expand...it fails he gets stompped....Yeah that finals was terrible.
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote: uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?
Good write up other than that though
it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
On July 27 2012 10:00 CrtBalorda wrote: Amazing write up as always.
And Teamliquid needs to make the no spoilers thing actully work.
Cuz they are failing.
Hard.
By not hiding this article you mean?
The semis have been played over a week ago now... If you consider this a spoiler you're probably just too slow.
Yea but its a feature thats worth making work right. And if the no spoilers isnt ment to hide these articles, then I think it is worth making it hide these articles.
Bit scary trying to use the website when you can be spoiled at any moment.
If MC wants to mind-game Seed, he should just lose the first game. The most dangerous thing to do is to go 2-0 or 3-0 on Seed and let him start thinking "I have nothing to lose, I might as well play my best now".
I think both crazy winning scenarios will happen. MC will go up 3-0 on Seed, then Seed will mount his comeback to 3-3. Before Game 7, MC breaks out a coin and flips it in the booth. It is revealed to be a Two Face coin that says "cheese" on both sides.
I'm sorry Seed - you're a very likeable guy and I can definitely see myself cheering for you in any other series, but MC's got this and he's going to go Gangnam Style around your booth after he wins.
I picked seed out of the group for ro32 and ro16; picked seed to beat the "new zerg bonjwa" (artosis voice) symbol and picked seed to beat the guy who 3-0 nestea that is byun. But, sorry seed. Even I think you have no chance against MC. I'm with the world on this one.
is there any chance I can only listen to the GSL finals tonight? I have a really bad connection on my phone and listening to the cast would be enough for me.
Can you change settings in the gomplayer to make this happen or are there any other ways?
On July 27 2012 10:19 DoNotDisturb wrote: amazing writeup, TL never disappoints
I'm sorry Seed - you're a very likeable guy and I can definitely see myself cheering for you in any other series, but MC's got this and he's going to go Gangnam Style around your booth after he wins.
For the sake of watching MC go all Gangnam Style around Seed's booth, I'm rooting for MC.
This season, the world was always wrong, and Seed was always right. You're welcome to pick against him again, if you'd like.
Gave me chills, yo.
I've been picking seed every round and he hasn't let me down yet. I've been an MC fan since GSL3 though, so I can't decide who I want to win. I just hope it will be good. I'm fairly confident that it will be.
After 8-0 and qualifying his first ever code A (2012 GSL Season 1), Seed just streamrolled and 6-0 beating monster, Boxer, Leenock, securing his first ever Code S (2012 GSL Season 2).
In a word, Seed just entered the Code S right after he qualified Code A without losing a single set in the whole round (14-0)
After 8-0 and qualifying his first ever code A (2012 GSL Season 1), Seed just streamrolled and 6-0 beating monster, Boxer, Leenock, securing his first ever Code S (2012 GSL Season 2).
In a word, Seed just entered the Code S right after he qualified Code A without losing a single set in the whole round (14-0)
Hey guys, something prophetic happened to me today. I was at my job cleaning an office building, and I found this plastic gun in the trash that had printed on it, " BOSS TOSS." No lie. Sorry Seed fans, but it is destiny that MC gets his 3rd GSL tonight.
Thank you for the wonderful article teamliquid Fionn, Waxangel, and Meko (And anyone else involved)! Although I haven't been paying much attention to the GSL's as of recent times this piece has revitalized my interest in the finals.
The most impressive display throughout the comeback was how ridiculously confident Seed was in the face of elimination. Usually when you are down 2-0, you don't show any emotion when you've only clawed one game back. Not true for Seed, as he actually did performed a manner Nexus ceremony on Symbol in the middle of a close game. Not even Bomber would have dared to drop manner mules that early. after taking his first game back and setting the entire tone for the rest of the series. The only other time in GSL where you can recall a player having such an irrational sense of confidence in his ability before actually winning anything would have to be MC all the way back in the early seasons before he beat Rain to win his first championship.
Does this mean we've had every single matchup in the Final now? I definitely remember TvT, ZvZ, ZvP, PvT and now this gives us PvP. I'm also sure there's been a TvZ, right?
On July 27 2012 13:33 althaz wrote: Does this mean we've had every single matchup in the Final now? I definitely remember TvT, ZvZ, ZvP, PvT and now this gives us PvP. I'm also sure there's been a TvZ, right?
1st and 2nd ones were TvZ Fruitdealer vs Rainbow Nestea vs MKP
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote: >Best protoss player in the world
That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ
How can someone say he is NOT the best protoss player in the world???? It MAY be that there are some P with better pvt skills or pvz skills, but you gotte be kidding. He is the only toss so far to win a GSL, he is the SC2 player with the highest earnings overall with the most consistent high rankings in all tournaments he is playing in and you consider him NOT to be the best protoss alive? That has to be a bad joke sir
Will MC win his 3rd GSL championship and remain the only Protoss to ever win a GSL to date, or will Seed take the victory and make LG-IM the first ever team to win the GSL with the 3 different races ?
On July 27 2012 09:11 Chainedsage wrote: >Best protoss player in the world
That's not really accurate there are better PvT and Oz probably has better PvZ
k did Oz win anything noteworthy? ANYTHING? nice try tho.
Haha I like how Oz wins 4-1 against stephano and people start calling him the best pvzer on the planet. Anyone saying that MC isn't the best protoss player is a fool. In 2012 alone he's won 3 tournaments, made several deep runs in foreign tourneys (top 3 nasl, top 3 HSC for recent events) and he is in the finals of the GSL this season. Which protoss is close to him ? None.
– SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.
is there precedent to say something like this? otherwise that's sort of weird. how can they sabotage him? e-- okay it is allegedly a joke, must be a bw reference
Haha, I like the description of how MC became the Protoss President. I'm pretty certain that's how it would go down on Aiur too. The baddest Protoss of them all gets to sit in the High Chair in the Citadel of Adun. By right. Elections don't figure.
It's the first time i will miss a GSL Final and it's not even because it's a PvP. Why on friday ? =( , OK we will have gstl final tomorrow but i'm working today ) I understand that in Korea it will be friday night but I'm kind of dissapointed ...
On July 27 2012 07:52 mrtomjones wrote: uhh Fionn/Wax, do you honestly think there is even a hint of a chance of SK somehow trying to sabotage MC or was that a joke I somehow missed?
Good write up other than that though
it's a joke, but not the worst one you've seen today
SK Gaming may sabotage him to keep his contract affordable.
Even though that's a joke, that won't happen. I can assure you that under reis' leadership, the best players have been treated with nothing short of dignity. Hell, MC's like his little brother, to be honest.
Seed 2-0 ! May be MC want to make a "Seed". Lose 3-0 and then a Big Come Back from the Boss Toss !
I don't see that happen, but that could be awesome. Anyway i'm cheering for Seed who's showing very interesting games (even if those games are not so long ^^)
Come on guys, That's part of the game. And there are counter to cheeses ... MC Didn't saw it, that's his fault. And we all know that 75% of PvP is one Base All-in ...
On July 27 2012 19:55 NexCa wrote: F*** YOU SEED !
too afraid to play standart against MC ? Seriously ? 2-0 by just cheesing ? **** YOU
Calm down Dude, 50k one the line...what do you think the players care for? And stop whine about cheesing. Cheeses on this lvl of play are as good as every other strat/tac cause if MC is vulnerable to it its his fucking fault and not Seed's..
God damn I hate crying Kids...
*edit* and pls no Gold-League shit about imba Cheeses...players like MC have to think of every possibility and are known for best reflecting stuff like this...so they have to do it also in a 50k GSL-Mega-Summer-Beach-Final...thx.. *edit*
On July 27 2012 20:07 Waterboarding wrote: hope the gomtvt haters realise how good the old days were.....
Nah, TvTs tend to be in the other extreme category of hour long tank standoffs. Seed is preparing good builds, and MC is playing greedy. Not Seed's fault here.
And to the people mentioning about how they put up this huge stage and it's going to be such a short series, I'm pretty sure they are doing GSTL finals there tomorrow night as well.
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote: i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t
lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?
one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.
Just Because you're a FanBoy of MC doesn't mean that Seed's playing like a noob with Ridiculous Tactics. MC knows better than everyone else that PvP is very Cheesy. And, Oh Yeah, 50 APM ? MC is known for his incredible Micro with small group of units, but in those game, we didn't see this micro.
MC too Greedy, wrong choice of tactics and I think his Micro's not as good as usual ===> MC's Fault if he looses !
On July 27 2012 20:13 conut wrote: i like this final idk why people are being so bitchy, very tense, just happens to be fast t-t
lol a better question would be how are some people not being bitchy?
one player being up 3 0 with 50apm tactics is plain ridiculous.
Just Because you're a FanBoy of MC doesn't mean that Seed's playing like a noob with Ridiculous Tactics. MC knows better than everyone else that PvP is very Cheesy. And, Oh Yeah, 50 APM ? MC is known for his incredible Micro with small group of units, but in those game, we didn't see this micro.
MC too Greedy, wrong choice of tactics and I think his Micro's not as good as usual ===> MC's Fault if he looses !
i'm in no way a fanboy of MC. i like good starcraft and am upset of seeing horrid games in what's supposed to be the finals of the most skilled competition around.
again i blame protoss, the very wrongly designed race.
lalala I cant hear you..... -.- ..srsly dude, calm down. Take it easy and stop being whiny like this.... you look like the fat guy at comic-con that has _allways_ a Question and something to say... :D
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen. 4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.
gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now
... what a wasted season of code S :-/
Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen. 4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.
gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now
... what a wasted season of code S :-/
Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.
oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.
the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.
yeah,, Seed simply win 3 games out of Build order win,, but don't forget that the first game is because he scouted that MC went for double gas,, and he tricked MC and thus gets the win,,, and the last game was all about positioning,,, Seed pulled one or two Colossus of MC out of position by sending Zealots to the Natural of MC !!
And Seed was ahead in upgrades,, he has 2 attack upgrades when MC only had +1 when the engagement happened !
But MC is not playing like he used to be,, MC is like DRG when DRG was fighting MC in the Semifinal (Oh the Irony)
ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV
On July 27 2012 20:54 Raziel44 wrote: I think it was a great final.However,i don't understand why there is such hate against Seed.He mearly played better than MC,thus deserved it.
I found it awesome how suprised he was when he won.
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i am not gona take anything away from seed but look at who MC had to beat to get to the finals....you cant say he played better then him after watchin this the match-up is very coin flipy..... idk koreans never show any emtion =/
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen. 4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.
gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now
... what a wasted season of code S :-/
Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.
oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.
the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.
Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.
Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.
Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP
Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.
Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.
Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote: ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV
On July 27 2012 20:56 ki11z0ne wrote: ya after watchin this pvp ehhh really is a bad coin flip match up. just felt like i was watchin an epic rock paper sissor games like really all the builds seed did were plat/mid dia skill LV
Your post is so full of bs it's hard to take you seriously. :/
Dunno why people are hatin' on Seed. It's just a pathetic matchup, nothing he can do about it. It's painfully obvious that allins are WAY stronger than any expo builds and frankly I'm glad he displayed it to all the naive PvP-fans.
They should just remove warpgates already and buff gate units, which will turn P into a real race. But I guess that'll never happen.
On July 27 2012 20:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: well this was by far the worst SC2 finals i've ever seen. 4 build order wins and one random laser fest after 15minutes of camping.
gotta be painful to be a protoss-defender right now
... what a wasted season of code S :-/
Please complain more. Not every series can have super mega awesome battlecruiser vortexes. I'm sorry the PvP finals completely ruined the entire GSL season for you. Maybe you should learn to relax and try to enjoy something instead of complaining about everything you see. It's hard to recognize the brilliance of Seed's PvP play in 5 short games if you don't play the race, which you obviously don't.
oh please explain me that very brilliance you're refering to, gotta admit i've missed it.
the whole season was bad overall, specially compared to the last one.
Game 1, Seed sees MC's fast second gas, shows MC his own second gas, but cancels it and disguises his build. Outsmarts MC and nabs the win.
Game 2, with Seed getting his gas taken, he makes a very good read that MC is again going for a greedy tech build, and punishes him by hitting with a build that doesn't require second gas. Proxy warp prism 4 gate is the best response to getting gast stolen because it hits quickly, but it circumvents the forcefields your opponent should have.
Game 3, I don't know how much of that was Seed as much as it was MC 1 gate expoing from a gas steal. 1 gate expanding is certain death in PvP
Game 4, again a key Seed blunder in not checking his main for probes and proxies.
Game 5, Seed opened blink obs on CK, which is the best opening for that map by far. Seed secured an economic and army advantage, and then set up a brilliant engagement at MC's third, using zealots to pull part of MC's force away, and setting up a superior concave, and using MC's own nexus as a colossus forcefield.
Seed outplayed and outwitted MC in every game except number 4, and that's what PvP is all about. It's less about flashy macro and strong, standard play, and more about outthinking your opponent and fooling them. That's why Seed won. Not because he just some cheesy scrub, not because PvP is stupid, but because he outsmarted and outwitted MC. Congrats to the new Protoss President!
Nice analysis!
I didn't think that was a bad final, just one sided because Seed outsmarted an over greedy MC. And the season was quite awesome I thought, taeja/naniwa fighting! A bit sad for the zergs tho, I would I loved to see Symbol in Finale. But great season overall
A rousing epitomization of the design that is SC2. Yes indeed, TPTB delivered terrible, terrible damage and also by sleight of hand terrible, terrible MUs.
I agree that the finals were pretty poor matches. Most games Husky or Day9 cast on youtube are more entertaining than this GSL finals. I also feel that despite winning MC is still a far better player than his opponent in every respect. Honestly even losing the finals MC still is a much better and more accomplished player than Seed. I have nothing bad to say about Seed but he is not the President.