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xSTaRFiSHx
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany176 Posts
April 07 2012 12:51 GMT
#41
Gogo Prime&MKP! :D:D:D
I wonder if there will be cake...
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
April 07 2012 13:06 GMT
#42
Prime team story is very touching

go go Prime

if i can get up in a middle of the night i will certainly watch it :>
UF fight!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 07 2012 13:46 GMT
#43
Considering MKP's TvP as his weakest matchup simply because PartinG (maybe the best PvT in the world) took a game off of him is a testament to how monstrous the Cute Marine Sith Lord is atm.

Gogogo MKP!
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 07 2012 13:51 GMT
#44
I'm glad you guys defended Choya. Being a playing coach is difficult as it is.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
April 07 2012 14:03 GMT
#45
There's another side of Choya which makes him a good pick for a team league clutch situation: he's seriously fucking weird.

No, really. If you think about what it would be like to face up against Choya, it's not a nice place to be. Can you really predict with any confidence what kind of kooky bullshit he's going to throw at you - as a spectator?

Now imagine the difficulty of working that out, and now try to empathise with what it'd be like sitting in the other booth.

That alone gives Choya an edge at least in a team league situation, and when you factor in the fact that Oz doesn't really have an aura in the PvT matchup, I think, combined with all the other factors, it really wasn't a bad choice at all.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
April 07 2012 14:04 GMT
#46
really like the write-up on Choya. The guy deserves the credit.

this is going to be some sick finals. too bad you didn't do actual match predictions but it's going to be close either way.
well won
unnar
Profile Joined April 2011
Iceland211 Posts
April 07 2012 14:13 GMT
#47
i miss anypro so much..
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
April 07 2012 14:30 GMT
#48
i'm going to have to agree with the write up on Choya. I thought and still think that he's one of the best coaches in the sc2 business. His love and passion for the team is undeniable. I was a bit sad that it was only gonna be either FXO or Prime in the GSTL finals (my two favourite team), but since it has come down to this: Prime! Fighting!
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
April 07 2012 14:52 GMT
#49
What? Foxer's tvp is his weakest matchup?? Don't know how you guys came to that conclusion, as it's pretty ridiculous.
His TvP is actually his strongest matchup atm, even stronger than his amazing tvz I would say. He has consistently beaten all the top protoss players in the last 2 months, showing spectacular play. His tvp win% overall is (67.96%) and his tvp win% in the last 2 months is (72.73%) , and that is vs players like Parting, MC and Genius.

If anything, his tvt would historically be his weakest matchup (59.54%), even though we have not seen him play a lot of tvt's vs top koreans lately.

Do your research guys, please
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
April 07 2012 14:57 GMT
#50
In the writeup about Prime, you mention about how they unpartnered with WE and how that was bad, but on their rise you didn't mention their partnership with Tt esports, and how that helped MKP go to forreign events and also helped expand Primezzang.
esports
n0ah
Profile Joined June 2011
United States250 Posts
April 07 2012 15:17 GMT
#51
Nani looks awesome with that blonde thing he's got going on. GOGO STARTALE!
If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together
ashLoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States202 Posts
April 07 2012 15:29 GMT
#52
Go Go Prime !

MKP<3
sneep
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 07 2012 15:41 GMT
#53
On April 07 2012 18:48 FXOBoSs wrote:
Thanks for the article. Good to see our champion (choya) has some support. A few very ignorant people, notably one specifically from Korean media, has whipped the crap out of him. But his and oz's decision was what was best for the team. It just didn't turn out well.

I can't help but think what the world would think if Choya had won vs byun.


Its unfortunate to hear he has such an obvious detractor in the Korean media. Considering how he has helped make the team so successful I would think he got more credit over there. I for one have a lot of respect for the guy. Cheers on getting so far this season!

Will this be casted on the IPL stream or on Gom tv?

Also, did naniwa come with them, I noticed he wasnt in the IPL tournament?
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 07 2012 15:43 GMT
#54
If Prime gets 2nd in the GSTL again, can we say that MKP's Kong status has transferred to the whole team as well :p ?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 07 2012 16:24 GMT
#55
On April 07 2012 18:48 FXOBoSs wrote:
Thanks for the article. Good to see our champion (choya) has some support. A few very ignorant people, notably one specifically from Korean media, has whipped the crap out of him. But his and oz's decision was what was best for the team. It just didn't turn out well.

I can't help but think what the world would think if Choya had won vs byun.


Honestly, looking at it even more now, I think Choya's decision was the best. Oz lost 2-1 to Illusion at IPL4. Overall, I think Oz is the stronger player, but Oz's PvT just hasn't been looking that good lately. Choya might not be the greatest PvT'er, but he's shown he can and will cheese or pull out a sneaky strategy to take a win or two. If he could have taken out GKP and/or another Terran, it would have made Leenock's work easier.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
April 07 2012 16:36 GMT
#56
Go StarTale!... it' probably a good omen that Bomber beat MMA... should be the perfect kryptonite for MKP. Prime's chances hang on MKP, Creator... and probably Maru's lil cheeseballs...
Stormbringer!!!
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
April 07 2012 16:46 GMT
#57
wow both ST and Prime looks so scary at IPL, Likely one of them will win the IPL4.
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 18:12:35
April 07 2012 18:04 GMT
#58
With MarineKing’s exceptional run against Zerg and Terran recently, it leads to the conclusion that maybe his TvP is slightly off,


Um, what? MKP's best matchup in 2012 has been his TvP. He's gone 46-9 this year and has beaten pretty much every single big name protoss. It's his TvT that's questionable since he hasn't played that as many high caliber terrans as he has other top z/p lately.


Anyhow, the point of all this is to say that Choya probably had a good reason to play himself ahead of Oz, even if it was for reasons that's not entirely visible to a spectator.* At least match-up wise, you can start to see some of the reasoning. Oz has had a very poor record in recent PvTs (5 – 9), and while Choya isn't so hot historically in that match-up, he was definitely picking up the slack in that match-up during this season of GSTL.


Waxangel this was the only paragraph you needed to defend Choya sending himself out instead of Oz. The Stats/Flash comparison isn't anything like the FXO situation at all since Choya and Oz play the same race.
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 18:47:09
April 07 2012 18:46 GMT
#59
On April 08 2012 03:04 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
With MarineKing’s exceptional run against Zerg and Terran recently, it leads to the conclusion that maybe his TvP is slightly off,


Um, what? MKP's best matchup in 2012 has been his TvP. He's gone 46-9 this year and has beaten pretty much every single big name protoss. It's his TvT that's questionable since he hasn't played that as many high caliber terrans as he has other top z/p lately.


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Anyhow, the point of all this is to say that Choya probably had a good reason to play himself ahead of Oz, even if it was for reasons that's not entirely visible to a spectator.* At least match-up wise, you can start to see some of the reasoning. Oz has had a very poor record in recent PvTs (5 – 9), and while Choya isn't so hot historically in that match-up, he was definitely picking up the slack in that match-up during this season of GSTL.


Waxangel this was the only paragraph you needed to defend Choya sending himself out instead of Oz. The Stats/Flash comparison isn't anything like the FXO situation at all since Choya and Oz play the same race.


I think he was alluding to the fact that there are many reasons to send out a "worse" player, even if those reasons weren't applicable to this specific situation.

ST will most likely win if Bomber kills off MKP and maybe 1 more, if not I expect Prime to take it.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 07 2012 18:55 GMT
#60
Good defense of Choya. BW fans understood the mindgames that go with teamleague. :D
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