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Please try to keep the discussion civil. And while I can't ask everyone to write a huge essay like tree.hugger, try to write out your opinions in a substantive, well-thought way.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
September 08 2011 11:31 GMT
#81
nice article - it was an awesome event
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
MattsEffect
Profile Joined November 2010
United States15 Posts
September 08 2011 11:32 GMT
#82
Thank you so much for writing this. Hopefully somebody from Blizzard will take note, as they seem to just ignore everything from the Protoss community.
blowfish
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria238 Posts
September 08 2011 11:33 GMT
#83
On September 08 2011 18:22 chokke wrote:
Because of that, Protoss players already use all the thing they can use, we can't do anything more
So, good to see carriers and motherships being used..


Why they progamers so handsome


As if those units would help Protoss at all at the highest level considering their resources and time needed compared to their real impact in the game.
If a Protoss like Mana feels Protoss has nowhere to go, players who are not playing at the highest levels should consider his opinion above their own experiences in ladder play...
The article really made me sad
moshyesim
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany31 Posts
September 08 2011 11:38 GMT
#84
nice balance whine about facts that arent facts disguised as an iem cologne thread... the tournament with 3 protoss in the top 4. but nice Interview and pictures.
MattsEffect
Profile Joined November 2010
United States15 Posts
September 08 2011 11:50 GMT
#85
I have a solution to balance the game. We find a sick child with cancer, and then via the make-a-wish foundation, have the kid use his wish to balance SC2. Then Blizzard will have to listen.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 08 2011 12:05 GMT
#86
With the game as it is, I simply cheer for any non-terran.

Regardless, it is always fun to see some players being so good that they overcome any racial disadvantage and shine (such as Puzzle or Sage). Also, nice interview.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
syrupychinadian
Profile Joined September 2010
112 Posts
September 08 2011 12:12 GMT
#87
I think the article about MC is a litte too harsh. MC is, without a doubt in my mind, one of the top 3 protosses (if not the best). Since his IEM play, I have not even seen any other protosses even try the WP Templar play.

The issue he is running into is that the other korean pros are figuring out their races and discovered how fragile protosses are before key upgrades/units. It's a thought shared by many protosses (Tyler/Incontrol) and there just is not a safe answer to some terran builds - 1/1/1.

I, personally, think that the MC swagger is an integral part of what makes SC2 entertaining. MLG anaheim would not have been the same without that MC-Idra contention. If you have MC in a tournament, you have a frontpage storyline written already. So I hope that MC does not lose his swagger and becomes FBH-2.0
rapdogg
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania16 Posts
September 08 2011 12:12 GMT
#88
i dont agree with the afirmation
Against PuMa, a better BW pro but a worse SC2 player

....puma is one of the best players in the world right now and i dont understand by what standards hes a worse player...
Playn zerg means that u will often loose to players worse than u.!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 08 2011 12:14 GMT
#89
Since when was MaNa a new hope? We knew what this guy was capable a long, long time ago O: He's just been inconsistent as fuck and hell, I'm not surprised considering there are a lot of guys who are.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 08 2011 12:16 GMT
#90
Mana is a boss. Very nice interview.
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
September 08 2011 12:19 GMT
#91
"The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming."

Even if Protoss is underpowered right now, that means great improvements are up to come. I am very excited for the changes and innovations that will come.
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
kemsley
Profile Joined October 2010
United Arab Emirates137 Posts
September 08 2011 12:20 GMT
#92
This article was really great.

Watching Trickster (Tester) right now - jesus christ he has had a rough time vs Terran from GSL 1 - but watching him now wow he is underated - hope he comes back from his 'slump' too.

firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
September 08 2011 12:27 GMT
#93
Arcanine is my fav too! i looooove mana!

And what he said about the balance of protoss vs the other races now is so true, he is so intelligent, next stop for me is his fanclub
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MurtiBing
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 12:37:44
September 08 2011 12:37 GMT
#94
If MC switched to T he would have won GSL 5 times.

My question is - what would happen if MaNa switched to T?
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
September 08 2011 12:40 GMT
#95
On September 08 2011 21:37 MurtiBing wrote:
If MC switched to T he would have won GSL 5 times.

My question is - what would happen if MaNa switched to T?


Both would likely drop out of pro scene. MC is a 2-base timing pusher, that era is terran is long gone.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#96
On September 08 2011 21:40 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:37 MurtiBing wrote:
If MC switched to T he would have won GSL 5 times.

My question is - what would happen if MaNa switched to T?


Both would likely drop out of pro scene. MC is a 2-base timing pusher, that era is terran is long gone.


MC doesn't do 2-base timing push because he can't macro, but because he thinks that it is the best thing to do. In fact, his macro is excellent. So if he was terran, he could easily just macro like the others.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
September 08 2011 12:47 GMT
#97
On September 08 2011 21:12 rapdogg wrote:
i dont agree with the afirmation
Show nested quote +
Against PuMa, a better BW pro but a worse SC2 player

....puma is one of the best players in the world right now and i dont understand by what standards hes a worse player...


I think its saying if MC played terran he would dominate puma but since his playing protoss he gets owned thats what MC said if he played terran he would win
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
September 08 2011 12:51 GMT
#98
I'm surprised teamliquid mentioned balance at all... that being said... I have to agree with the whine...
Gameplay > Personality
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 12:58:30
September 08 2011 12:57 GMT
#99
This whine has aged- it was bound to be taken from the cellar of balance and opened for consumption.
Good read. Well written.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 08 2011 12:57 GMT
#100
Its dimaga sister on this foto ? ?:D
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