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Please try to keep the discussion civil. And while I can't ask everyone to write a huge essay like tree.hugger, try to write out your opinions in a substantive, well-thought way.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 08 2011 08:28 GMT
#21
A depressing article but one that i can relate to. Protoss really do have some serious issues atm.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 08 2011 08:29 GMT
#22

If you haven't noticed that protoss sucks against terran, and has profound cost-efficiency difficulties against zerg, it’s because you're blind. It has taken imbalance on such an appalling scale as the 1/1/1 family of builds to cast MC down, to make him look mortal and prove once and for all that protoss is absolutely trash at the highest level of competition.

So true. I nearly cried while watching MC get torn apart in the Up and Downs. Protoss is once again cost inefficient and easily abused. My heart is broken. Blizzard needs to fix something
Long live the Boss Toss!
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
September 08 2011 08:30 GMT
#23
Wow, didn't this tournament ended like three weeks ago?
Thank God and gunrun.
MrSandman
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia188 Posts
September 08 2011 08:32 GMT
#24
MOONGLADE FIGHTING!!!
Can't believe there was no mention of him as this was his best finish in a long time. He came into it only playing part time after personal issues held him back and stormed through the group stages. Ah well....
TeamLiquid: Teaching trolls latin since 2002 || Before every post ask yourself, how would I feel if someone else said it? ||
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
September 08 2011 08:34 GMT
#25
<3 treehugger and <3 MC. Great article. I'd love to see MC play just one tournament as Terran, to see what happens.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
September 08 2011 08:35 GMT
#26
Now I want to see a ukraine vs germany showmatch. We really need a proleague (not winner's league) style global team league.
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Monocle
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1509 Posts
September 08 2011 08:36 GMT
#27
Great article Tree.Hugger, I agree with absolutely everything that you said.
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 11:23:33
September 08 2011 08:36 GMT
#28
I'm surprised to see such a cry for imbalance at the front page of TL. Not that I disagree with it entirely. It's a good thing to say "at the highest level of competition" but a lot of people will miss these few very important words.

EDIT : Looks like the that article opened up a new balance whine thread. Balance whine on the front page, TL changed
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
September 08 2011 08:39 GMT
#29
MC got a girlfriend, then MC's form dropped. Seems straight forward enough to me =p

I'm rather surprised you went as far as to say MC outmicroed and outmultitasked Puma because I didn't see either of those in the finals at IEM. He had an excellent shot to beat the 1/1/1 twice but failed to capitalise on the ample advantages he was given, and his control blunder in game 2 allowed a fully loaded warp prism to be sniped by Puma's vikings (Puma also won the standard ghost vs templar war again) really changing the momentum of the game.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
September 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#30
Not much to say. Fellow Protoss brothers, I hope we once again will conquer the World together as the Overmind and God has hit us with such force that we're no longer capable of fighting on equal grounds.

http://i.imgur.com/bdP2e.png
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Loodah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
335 Posts
September 08 2011 08:40 GMT
#31
Fantastic article. Depressing point, but fantastic article

PROTOSS FIGHTING !
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
September 08 2011 08:42 GMT
#32
On September 08 2011 17:15 Jinsho wrote:
That whining about PvT is absolutely unnecessary in what would have otherwise been a good article.


If you haven't noticed or seen it you must be blind or ignorant. Sorry but the writer just told us the cold hard truth.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
September 08 2011 08:42 GMT
#33
On September 08 2011 17:36 MandoRelease wrote:
I'm surprised to see such a cry for imbalance at the front page of TL. Not that I disagree with it entirely. It's a good thing to say "at the highest level of competition" but a lot of people will miss these few very important words.


Exactly. Its not worth talking about balance unless you're talking about the top. As a diamond player myself, anything I lose to is not imbalanced, because there are people out there who are clearly better than me who would stomp all over my opponents. There's always room for improvement...
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
September 08 2011 08:43 GMT
#34
Ctrl + F

'mOOnGLaDe' not found.

Awwww, I thought he would at least be mentioned since he advanced out of his group when everyone expect him to go 0-3...
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
September 08 2011 08:43 GMT
#35
Mana finished Pokemon League on second try :O No wonder he is so good in PvT.
Nothing to add.
dennistoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore155 Posts
September 08 2011 08:44 GMT
#36
Nice.

Straight forward to the point where Protosses is struggling at the highest stage now. Obviously something is wrong and tweaks has to be done to encourage more peoples on playing Protoss as their main race. The numbers of Protoss Code-S is miserable.

Now matter how strong the Protoss deathfall is, a money EMP or money fungal growth is enough to demolish the deathball.

I'm sad, very sad to be a Protoss player. In fact, i've stopped laddering due to the fact that Protoss simply can't win anymore late game against Z/T.

This not not a balance discussion rather that thoughs on how the current metagame is producing. Please deepest apologizes to mod if my contents do shows like a whinning balance respond.

User was temp banned for this post.
MC to Idra: 2-0? You Dream. I 4-0, you cry.
razorblade79
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany79 Posts
September 08 2011 08:46 GMT
#37
'toss forever! Let's hope the next patch gets MC back on his feet!
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
September 08 2011 08:52 GMT
#38
Wow. I feel so sad now for the player who has won the most money in SC2.

Ok I'm sure you have a lot of good points but making a sob story out of MC and saying less successful Zerg players "leaves open the possibility that zerg does in fact have a fighting chance in SC2" while Protoss players are "utter failure[s]" is a little much.
devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
September 08 2011 08:54 GMT
#39
Sad for MC. That's why I switched my race on ladder from Protoss to Terran because I would never win, maybe like 1 win for every like 6 losses. Now that I'm Terran, I only lose games to Zerg, which the matchmaking system almost never pairs me with for done reason.
(ノ `Д´)ノ︵┻━┻
akari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States65 Posts
September 08 2011 08:58 GMT
#40
Great article, MC and Puzzle are the only hopes for Protoss at the very top level. I hope MC gets out of this slump soon.
When I say Korean, I mean plays on the Korean server. I don't care what you think it is, that's what I mean when I say it.
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