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On September 08 2011 17:27 babylon wrote:
I don't think MC's PvT is slumping, since his PvT play is still as crisp as ever when he's not getting destroyed by the 1/1/1. (He could have beaten Jjakji if he hadn't clumped up his casters for some money-making EMPs, I feel.) We could probably talk about his PvZ, though; he used to be near-invincible in that match-up, but lately he can't even outplay good-but-otherwise-irrelevant Zergs.
If you think PvT is fine with all this 1/1/1 thing and this is the way it is supposed to be played, as tree.hugger said, you are blind.
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Awesome pics. Dimaga with his girlfriend (?) and GoOdy praying for more Tanks! 
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It's not just the 1/1/1, it's all it's variations; we also have the MVP 2/1/0 build and other strong early game terran builds, lategame ghost emp play is just sad to watch as protoss. I don't think the 1.4 changes will be enough to help Protoss.
This article, especially Mana's words on balance should hopefully be enough that even the worst "TvP is fine, P just need to l2p (MC sucks)" sayers see that there is a major design flaw in the Protoss race that will hopefully be fixed with HotS, a minor patch just can't do it.
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Am I the only one that thinks this article is very late and way to MC focused?
The writing and everything in it is very good, but it kinda misses the theme?
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Protoss is not too weak. Terran is too strong
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On September 08 2011 17:10 elmizzt wrote:
zatic looks completely different from what I envisioned...why is all of TL staff so sexy? :p
Looks are part of the staff recruitment policy. True story.
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Loved the article, and I have to agree with everything you said. It's pretty depressing to be a Protoss player during these times. T.T
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when will blizzard understand that MULEs should cost minerals?
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After watching him out-micro his opponent at IEM and still lose, out-multitasks his opponent at IEM and still lose, and then go absolutely nuts and use a strategy whose gaping flaws a platinum player could identify in the third game, I believe him.
Bit of a mistake here. Otherwise great article!
Poor MC T_T
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Because of that, Protoss players already use all the thing they can use, we can't do anything more
So, good to see carriers and motherships being used..
Why they progamers so handsome 
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Great article at the the beginning of the article but I feel at the end there was too much whine. Maybe a little less imba whine will make this article perfect. GJ btw
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Thank god someone went out and said it. Protoss has serious problems right now. I like to think about it like this - if blizzard retroactively took back toss nerfs ie vray and amulet mainly, do you think the meta game would change all that much? I would like to think that it would... but I can't seem to convince myself. Just had to say it, I almost never ever bring up balance in the forums :3
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I believe MC can come back from his slump stronger than ever, come on min chul!
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On September 08 2011 18:38 iNcontroL wrote:
so proud of puma :D
Way to derail the thread, we were just boarding the TERRAN OP train goddammit!!
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We just have to wait and see what the next minor patch will do to balance... It's hard to deny that protoss are weak atm, just looking at their representation.
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On September 08 2011 18:38 iNcontroL wrote:
so proud of puma :D
YEa, EG training schedule seems to have helped him a lot!
THANK YOU, EG! <3
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Hahaha, people should learn to handle the truth. The protoss race was badly designed and are now severely underpowered. Good article.
The first two matches of the IEM between MC and Puma were really sad to see. The 1-1-1 from Puma was a half-hassed badly executed push, with mediocre micro and plenty of units queued in the production buildings. He didn't even make a perfect BO, yet he traded super effectively with the protoss. Then, the second "all-in" was even more powerful, and one mistake cost MC the game. His macro was also perfect when Puma floated several hundreds minerals during the pushes.
Hope the next expansion will solve all this problems as i hate nerfs, and specially nerfs of terrans. it is the only well-design race and it shouldn't be dismantled.
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Great article and photos/videos! I'm quite shocked that someone confronted current protoss situation so loudly, gj tree.hugger. Now lets hope for some change asap...
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Good article until it starts bringing up balance bais. 1/1/1 is not the unstoppable force it seems to be, its just another obstacle for protoss players to conquer. MC is a monster with a higher understanding of the game only the very best in sc2 have, and the talent to boot. He'll rise again just like MVP.
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