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Please try to keep the discussion civil. And while I can't ask everyone to write a huge essay like tree.hugger, try to write out your opinions in a substantive, well-thought way.
Kishuu
Profile Joined January 2010
Brazil108 Posts
September 08 2011 09:01 GMT
#41
On September 08 2011 17:27 babylon wrote:
I don't think MC's PvT is slumping, since his PvT play is still as crisp as ever when he's not getting destroyed by the 1/1/1. (He could have beaten Jjakji if he hadn't clumped up his casters for some money-making EMPs, I feel.) We could probably talk about his PvZ, though; he used to be near-invincible in that match-up, but lately he can't even outplay good-but-otherwise-irrelevant Zergs.


If you think PvT is fine with all this 1/1/1 thing and this is the way it is supposed to be played, as tree.hugger said, you are blind.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 08 2011 09:08 GMT
#42
Awesome pics. Dimaga with his girlfriend (?) and GoOdy praying for more Tanks!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
mlevar
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia266 Posts
September 08 2011 09:10 GMT
#43
It's not just the 1/1/1, it's all it's variations; we also have the MVP 2/1/0 build and other strong early game terran builds, lategame ghost emp play is just sad to watch as protoss. I don't think the 1.4 changes will be enough to help Protoss.
This article, especially Mana's words on balance should hopefully be enough that even the worst "TvP is fine, P just need to l2p (MC sucks)" sayers see that there is a major design flaw in the Protoss race that will hopefully be fixed with HotS, a minor patch just can't do it.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
September 08 2011 09:10 GMT
#44

Am I the only one that thinks this article is very late and way to MC focused?

The writing and everything in it is very good, but it kinda misses the theme?
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
September 08 2011 09:13 GMT
#45
Protoss is not too weak. Terran is too strong
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
September 08 2011 09:16 GMT
#46
On September 08 2011 17:10 elmizzt wrote:
zatic looks completely different from what I envisioned...why is all of TL staff so sexy? :p

Looks are part of the staff recruitment policy. True story.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Rookstarz
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada136 Posts
September 08 2011 09:17 GMT
#47
Loved the article, and I have to agree with everything you said. It's pretty depressing to be a Protoss player during these times. T.T
trekala
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania25 Posts
September 08 2011 09:19 GMT
#48
when will blizzard understand that MULEs should cost minerals?
SilentShout
Profile Joined March 2011
686 Posts
September 08 2011 09:22 GMT
#49
After watching him out-micro his opponent at IEM and still lose, out-multitasks his opponent at IEM and still lose, and then go absolutely nuts and use a strategy whose gaping flaws a platinum player could identify in the third game, I believe him.


Bit of a mistake here. Otherwise great article!

Poor MC T_T
chokke
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway228 Posts
September 08 2011 09:22 GMT
#50
Because of that, Protoss players already use all the thing they can use, we can't do anything more
So, good to see carriers and motherships being used..


Why they progamers so handsome
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 08 2011 09:38 GMT
#51
so proud of puma :D
jeffvip
Profile Joined June 2011
211 Posts
September 08 2011 09:38 GMT
#52
Great article at the the beginning of the article but I feel at the end there was too much whine. Maybe a little less imba whine will make this article perfect. GJ btw
Marine is Terran strongest unit but it might be Terran's biggest weakness. Bcos of Marine so OP, other Terran unit regrettably have to be weak..
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
September 08 2011 09:40 GMT
#53
Thank god someone went out and said it. Protoss has serious problems right now. I like to think about it like this - if blizzard retroactively took back toss nerfs ie vray and amulet mainly, do you think the meta game would change all that much? I would like to think that it would... but I can't seem to convince myself. Just had to say it, I almost never ever bring up balance in the forums :3
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
September 08 2011 09:43 GMT
#54
I believe MC can come back from his slump stronger than ever, come on min chul!
The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff.
razorblade79
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany79 Posts
September 08 2011 09:47 GMT
#55
On September 08 2011 18:38 iNcontroL wrote:
so proud of puma :D

Way to derail the thread, we were just boarding the TERRAN OP train goddammit!!
Starcraftplaylist
Profile Joined May 2011
194 Posts
September 08 2011 09:47 GMT
#56
We just have to wait and see what the next minor patch will do to balance... It's hard to deny that protoss are weak atm, just looking at their representation.
chokke
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway228 Posts
September 08 2011 09:50 GMT
#57
On September 08 2011 18:38 iNcontroL wrote:
so proud of puma :D

YEa, EG training schedule seems to have helped him a lot!
THANK YOU, EG! <3
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
September 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#58
Hahaha, people should learn to handle the truth. The protoss race was badly designed and are now severely underpowered. Good article.

The first two matches of the IEM between MC and Puma were really sad to see. The 1-1-1 from Puma was a half-hassed badly executed push, with mediocre micro and plenty of units queued in the production buildings. He didn't even make a perfect BO, yet he traded super effectively with the protoss. Then, the second "all-in" was even more powerful, and one mistake cost MC the game. His macro was also perfect when Puma floated several hundreds minerals during the pushes.

Hope the next expansion will solve all this problems as i hate nerfs, and specially nerfs of terrans. it is the only well-design race and it shouldn't be dismantled.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
September 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#59
Great article and photos/videos! I'm quite shocked that someone confronted current protoss situation so loudly, gj tree.hugger. Now lets hope for some change asap...
Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
September 08 2011 09:57 GMT
#60
Good article until it starts bringing up balance bais. 1/1/1 is not the unstoppable force it seems to be, its just another obstacle for protoss players to conquer. MC is a monster with a higher understanding of the game only the very best in sc2 have, and the talent to boot. He'll rise again just like MVP.
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