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Please try to keep the discussion civil. And while I can't ask everyone to write a huge essay like tree.hugger, try to write out your opinions in a substantive, well-thought way.
DanCaek
Profile Joined July 2011
Lebanon71 Posts
September 08 2011 09:58 GMT
#61
Oh wow.. Didn't imagine TL would go all the way !!! Still Poor MC
Anything unrelated to elephants
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
September 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#62
Nice article Tree.Hugger, it was a great read.
Protoss T___T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
September 08 2011 10:03 GMT
#63
On September 08 2011 17:15 Jinsho wrote:
That whining about PvT is absolutely unnecessary in what would have otherwise been a good article.
Precisely. A little bit of resentment exuding from Tree.hugger's keyboard. Understandable, but Mana's attitude is ultimately more helpful. Whining doesn't get jack done.
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
September 08 2011 10:18 GMT
#64
Nice write-up and high quality as usual. However, I was a bit surprised over the somewhat unfortunate MC-article. I liked most of it, it was a good summary of how MC has been doing lately but there are some things that I did not quite like in the article: It is masked as a discussion on IEM results, when in fact it boiled down to balance discussion on protoss, when MC actually did finish second in the tournament. I agree that he has been in a slump lately and it is sad that he fell out of code S, but that can be based on a lot of things. As stated in the article, it did not look like he brought his A-game into some of his matches lately. And even though loosing the final in the tournament makes him the “first looser”, it is still better than everyone else that participated, saved one. I would still like to state it like he won second place, which is a nice achievement.

I myself is not the right person to judge whether there is a balance issue in the game, but if you want to write about these things I just think there are better ways to do it. In the tournament covered here three out of top four was Protoss after all..

Congrats to Puma, MC, and Mana!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
September 08 2011 10:20 GMT
#65
On September 08 2011 18:16 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 17:10 elmizzt wrote:
zatic looks completely different from what I envisioned...why is all of TL staff so sexy? :p

Looks are part of the staff recruitment policy. True story.

That is so biased! looks like ill never make it on the staff now
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HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 10:24:39
September 08 2011 10:22 GMT
#66
I don't think the problem is really with Protoss being underpowered, it's with terrans being far too powerful. I honestly feel like PvZ is decently well balanced.

The problems I see with Terrans is marauders. They just do such insane, just blatantly stupid damage to armored units it's beyond me. I think they do about three times the DPS roaches or stalkers do, combined with a really powerful snare versus melee units for kiting, and with stim researched they have more movement speed than stalkers do as well.

I'm surprised at the article being so blunt and straightforward about the balance issues. Whenever I see this get mentioned, mods often intervene and say "no balance whining please", but I really feel like this doesn't get discussed nearly often enough because of this. There is just a huge problem with Terran, from my point of view as a spectator. And something drastic needs to be changed by blizzard to fix it, because a large part of the enjoyment from watching SC2 comes from several different races all being viable and competing. I do not have an interest in watching 20 TvTs for every 3 other matchups we see.

Edit: To summarize, at some point you just have to talk about the elephant in the room. It's bad for the game to outright call everything balance whining when there are, very apparent, issues with the balance between the races.

/whine done.
Morphie
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands4 Posts
September 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#67
Job well done on the article. Makes me sad to see so few protoss in code S. I <3 Protoss, My life for Aiur!
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough
shouri
Profile Joined May 2010
90 Posts
September 08 2011 10:29 GMT
#68
Mana's PvT is pretty inspirational. I love all his tech timings and I find it funny that terran can claim imbalance when he's running at terran who are still on 100% bio with collosus, storm, and massive gateway armies with blink/charge.
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
September 08 2011 10:29 GMT
#69
Protoss vs 1/1/1: Your options are all terrible and you have to pick the one that is the least terrible, micro 100x better than your opponent, and hope they mess up to win.
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
Loodah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
335 Posts
September 08 2011 10:34 GMT
#70
On September 08 2011 19:29 arterian wrote:
Protoss vs 1/1/1: Your options are all terrible and you have to pick the one that is the least terrible, micro 100x better than your opponent, and hope they mess up to win.


This

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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 08 2011 10:36 GMT
#71
Mondragon is such a cutiepie ^____^
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
emsy
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia34 Posts
September 08 2011 10:42 GMT
#72
The patch will be welcomed.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
September 08 2011 10:46 GMT
#73
Great article, I'm really sad about the fall of MC though.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Larryx
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland148 Posts
September 08 2011 10:48 GMT
#74
send this to blizzard, maybe they nerf terran someday
MANA & NERCHIO HWAITING!
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
September 08 2011 10:57 GMT
#75
Um:

"If you haven't noticed that protoss sucks against terran, and has profound cost-efficiency difficulties against zerg, it’s because you're blind. It has taken imbalance on such an appalling scale as the 1/1/1 family of builds to cast MC down, to make him look mortal and prove once and for all that protoss is absolutely trash at the highest level of competition."

Balance whine?



LOL?
"En taro adun, Executor."
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
September 08 2011 10:58 GMT
#76
i think this actualy was needed . wich terran in the world knows how hard is for protoss to deal with bio , how hard our colossi get countered by vikings , how 8 ghosts can emp forever your army , and how marauder and marines can kite our entire army with stim even with charge upgrade .
as nestea sad at 5:30

btw if il get banned i wanna add one more thing : how we suppose to throw forcefield and storm and pull back our zealots and blink good in the same battle where terrans just press T and right click behind hitting H to kite . rly micro ballance .

User was temp banned for this post.
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
September 08 2011 10:59 GMT
#77
This is what makes me sad I play protoss ._. I would rather not know lol
I am Latedi.
tombola
Profile Joined September 2011
41 Posts
September 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#78
I really enjoyed the article until the whining about game balance. Protoss is going through a rough time now, sure, but I don't think they are underpowered. Protoss is just not figured out as much as Terran or Zerg. Warp Prisms haven't been used for months and I think they still aren't used to their fullest potential. Remember when Zerg whined about the "Protoss Deathball"? The weeks passed some high level Zerg figured something out and nobody is whining since. Protoss just needs more innovators. Sure MC is good and did a lot developing the race but who else is there now? I think Protoss needs some creative players more then any patch to garantuee a balanced matchup.
Prostyle
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria2 Posts
September 08 2011 11:23 GMT
#79
Big deal -_- MVP dropped to code A too but he's on his way of another champion trophy now, MC will bounce back with greatness too. MC FIGHTING!
FTW
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
September 08 2011 11:24 GMT
#80
Front page balance whine?
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