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On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.
GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.
GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).
GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.
I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.
I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.
Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)
Well you won't have to worry about Nestea's GSL August run. He has MMA in his group and will likely either face MC or MVP in the Ro16.
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If you bribe your player with a puppy as a reward, he will more than likely make the semifinals of a GSL.
LOL
Nice write-up! Thanks!
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SAVE MSL!!!!!
ROFL such a good read. Thank you so much!
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On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.
GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.
GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).
GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.
I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.
I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.
Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)
It's not luck his competition keeps failing, on either meeting him or getting beaten by him.
He is the best player in the world, so called easy way or not.
Blame MC/Bomber instead.
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How come no one has mentioned it yet?
Definite GSL Fact:
"If a couple hundred people on TL bet their lives on you winning a match against a severely un-favored opponent, you will simply lose!"
Great writeup btw!
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I loved the lessons learned.
Great read
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>Any time Artosis starts saying you're the best at something, and your name isn't Nestea, you will more than likely get eliminated right after.
I love you.
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great read thanks  #19 soo true. i really like him too
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On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.
GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.
GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).
GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.
I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.
I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.
Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)
Well, you do realize that every opponent that Nestea faced that was not "real" actually beat the "real" or someone who beat the "real" opponents to get there right?
Imo, the fact that any player can beat some generally higher skilled in a boX just goes to show how tough competitive SC2 is.
Nestea is good because he can keep the consistency by not losing to lesser player and can still beat "real" opponents when it counts.
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So many ASoIaF references in this thread... did I miss something?
EDIT: It's in the Proleague hype post as well and I feel stupid for forgetting that a television series has just been made on it. Ignore my stupid question.
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The 20 things to remember made me laugh like hell !! awesome thread
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Kudos to the OP man, great read lots of hilarious moments, especially the artosis mvp elimination joke. Also to the guy that said Nestea had the easiest path to the finals, you clearly don't watch enough GSL and underestimate the talent of all the players in Code S.
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On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.
GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.
GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).
GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.
I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.
I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.
Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)
I know statistics dont say much but look. The man is 70-25 in the GSL so indeed a great record. Not to mention this GSL he didn't drop one fucking game and that says more that a lot, i mean really, how can you not drop 1 game, 1.
Great read, 10x for posting, and yeah Nestea is the best player in the world atm. Too bad you didn't mention it 
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On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history
I think your post might be the worst, most inane post on any major website at any point of time in the history of the internet. Always some noob who just doesn't get how hard it is to make it look so easy.
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just so you guys know you spelt tournament wrong in the preview of this post on the home page.
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On August 05 2011 06:51 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Nestea is good
You sir, have a flair for understatement.
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one day somewhere we willll have a 4-3 final lol with a comback included perhaps 2012? lol
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Really happy for NesTea. Truly is the best player, absolutely confirmed by his 3 GSL titles. Can't wait to see him in action in foreign tournaments someday, hopefully while he's still such an amazing player.
EDIT: 100th post =)
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EPT
