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[GSL] Code-A/S July Review

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August 4th, 2011 21:42 GMT
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Code-S Finals Review

Farewell to Code-S July: Lessons Learned

Mind over matter. That is the founding axiom of Nestea's new dynasty.

They say pro-gaming is a young man's game, requiring the hand-speed, twitch reflexes, and keen hand-eye coordination that only youth can provide. But that is merely the excuse of those who are too impatient to read past the first two letters of "RTS," knowing only of "real-time" and forgetting the "strategy."

Yes, bludgeoning your opponent death with a hail of keystrokes and mouse clicks remains a viable and often impressive way to win a championship. But it is more elegant is to win through guile alone. Ten minutes of thinking can undo even the most intense weeks of training, especially if the the mind behind the thinking is astute.

And no mind is more brilliant than that of Nestea. We say players are intelligent too often, when we really mean to say they are clever, cute, or devious. But Nestea's mind is truly deserving of every accolade. He is not the strongest man or fastest man, but he is surely the smartest man.

God bless the the enlightened age of Nestea, and may all enjoy the fruits of his intellect.



Results and Reviews

Grand Finals: (Z)NesTea vs (Z)LosirA


by WaxAngel


Game One: Bel'Shir Beach -
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2.5/5
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Nestea > Losira

Nestea started bottom-right while Losira spawned top-left on Bel'Shir Beach. Both players opened with hatch first, which has become the norm on long distance maps in ZvZ. After the naturals were up and running, the two players' plans seemed to diverge as Nestea dropped down a roach warren while Losira built a baneling nest.

Losira went for a little bit of early ling harassment, and in the process scouted out Nestea's roach tech. Deeming an early double-ling attack to be too risky, Losira just followed with his own roach warren while both players decided to go up to lair.

The real tech split occured once the two IM zergs reached lair stage. Nestea went for an unusual muta switch while Losira went for the more standard infestor tech. Though they were both playing semi-blind versus each other, Nestea ended up in a better situation.

This occurred due to Losira's pursuit of many upgrades and tech off just two bases (duo chamber, burrow, overlord speed, infestor mana), which put him behind on army size and strength before those upgrades completed. Though it's unclear as to how aware Nestea was of this situation, he took advantage of it by taking a fast third base. And while Losira wasn't caught unaware by the mutalisks due to a good suicide overlord scout, Nestea was still able to use his mutalisks and roaches to delay Losira's third base considerably before he had the proper roach-infestor combination to take it safely.

So going into the end-game, Nestea and Losira were both on three bases and taking their fourths, with Nestea about twenty to thirty supply ahead due to his faster third expansion. Nestea had a mixed army of muta-roach-infestor while Losira had roach-infestor with better upgrades and more built up mana.

It looked like the perfect set up for some gigantic roach battles decided by infestor micro, or perhaps the start of passive play until hive tech was reached. However, the game ended up being swiftly decided by an unintentional and extremely one-sided 'base trade.'

Losira sent in a large group of infestors beneath the ground into Nestea's main and spawned a huge amount of infested terrans on top of the lair. Against the incredible DPS of infested terrans, Nestea had no chance of saving the central structure. This would have been a pretty nice move in other circumstances, but unfortunately this occurred just as Nestea was commencing with a full scale attack.

The six infestors - with zero mana on the opposite end of the map - had really been the lynchpins of Losira's army. For all their upgrades, Losira's roaches stood no chance against the full might of Nestea's army without the help of the stranded infestors. The end result was Losira having six infestors dawdling around in Nestea's main while Nestea had units with actual attacking capabilities blasting away in Losira's.

There's a Korean saying that goes:

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'Sacrifice the flesh...

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...and break the bone.'


Seeing that the battle was lost, Losira conceded game one.

Nestea:
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3.5/5
Looked very much on top of things, though he didn't actually have to do anything special to win. His tactic of sending one muta to annoy Losira and force him to use waste mana on infested terrans was pretty cute.

Losira:
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1.5/5
Was playing the game pretty well, having built up a very strong-roach infestor army before inexplicably throwing the game by wasting all of his infestors to kill... a lair.

Game Two: Dual Sight -
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4/5
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Nestea > Losira

Spawning at the right position, Nestea decided to roll the dice and went for a ten-pool build. Nestea used it in a very calculated manner, making four lings to begin with while sending out a drone scout at a precise timing to confirm whether or not the opponent had fast expanded. If the opponent fast expanded, he could quickly add another pair of lings while plopping down an offensive spine crawler, or he could just go back into drone production off his initial four lings if he saw no expansion hatchery. It ended up being the latter case as Losira had gone for a normal gas-pool build.

Despite having a contingency plan for a fourteen-pool build, Nestea was still unquestionably behind in build orders. Losira had more drones, a faster expansion, and faster tech. But with typical Nestea brilliance, the two time champion evened it up. As roaches began to hatch in his main, Nestea sent out a large force of speedlings to attack Losira's natural. Everything went just perfectly for Nestea, as Losira once more made the mistake of attacking when he should have been 100% focused on defense. He had sent four backdoor banelings to Nestea's base while just two remained on defense. Nestea easily dispatched the four banelings with his newly hatched roaches, while taking care of the defending banelings with good speedling micro. This allowed Nestea to force Losira to hatch a lot of zerglings, net an important early-game queen kill, and put Losira in a defensive posture.

Nestea could probably have followed up from here by making a ton of drones and playing very standard, but instead he decided to produce just enough drones to finance a follow-up offensive. With a fast evolution chamber, Nestea went for a strong +1 roach timing attack while Losira was still catching up in the roach numbers.

The game looked nearly over when Losira decided to make quite a few more drones while defending with spine-crawlers and roaches, but he managed to barely hold off Nestea's attack (though whatever drone advantage he gained was negated when they were lost in the defensive effort). Undaunted, Nestea start preparing for another attack, this time designed to hit with +2 range attack.

With more than enough gas from his four geysers, Nestea made the very smart decision to create four overseers. His goal was to cause massive damage or end the game with one big attack, and his four gas geysers meant that he had four hundred gas sitting around that needed to be converted into some kind of combat advantage.

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In retrospect, contaminating the hatcheries was helpful, but gooping the evo-chambers actually did nothing.


It would give him only a marginal advantage, but marginal advantages were what Nestea needed as the ensuing battle ended up being extremely close. Nestea attacked with a huge amount of roach-bane while Losira defended once again with roach-spine.

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In the end, Nestea won by barely a large enough margin to stay ahead of Losira's newly produced units (thanks to some nice contaminates), allowing him to stream in constant reinforcements of his own and force the GG.

Nestea:
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4/5
It was a real stroke of brilliance to produce four overseers, which allowed him to make sure every last bit of his resources were being spent on increasing his combat strength. Also, his play to come back from a BO disadvantage was excellent as well.

Losira:
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2.5/5
If he had played purely defensively off his BO advantage, he 'surely' would have won (minus the Nestea factor).

Game Three: Tal'Darim Altar LE -
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3/5
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Nestea > Losira

Both players opened with hatchery first builds, Nestea starting at the lower right while Losira started at top right. For the third game in a row, Nestea decided to go straight to roaches while Losira opted to go for a baneling nest first. Losira snuck in a couple of scout zerglings which caught drift of Nestea's plan, but in an awesome bit of mindgames, Nestea pumped out one more large round of speedlings before his roach warren completed. A big speedling run-by caught Losira completely off guard, costing him a queen and a lot of initiative while he frantically made more zerglings to defend.

Nestea tried to follow up the attack by sending out his first wave of roaches, but this turned out to be his first incorrect decision in the series. Instead of droning up further after fending off the attack, Losira had actually made a large double-ling army. Nestea's roaches were surrounded and killed in the middle of the field, but he received no further disadvantages for his error as Losira quickly committed one of his own.

Instead of backing off and capitalizing on his map control, Losira tried to push his temporary troop advantage too hard with a reckless attack into Nestea's base. Nestea had a new round of roaches ready just in time, which finished off Losira's double-ling army with no trouble at all. The game see-sawed once more, as this giveaway of troops by Losira opened a window for Nestea to counter--counter attack. While Nestea went up to spire, he also started pumping out a large amount of roaches while Losira was making drones, evo chambers, and a hydralisk den.

Nestea attacked, and this time took a permanent lead. Losira had been too lax on troop production and was forced to rally his drones in a difficult defense. He held with less drone losses than one would have imagined, but the situation was still looking grim as Nestea had expanded behind this attack. Even worse, Nestea sent in a small group of mutalisks to attack just as hydralisks began to hatch, picking off several of them before they could group, sealing off any possibility of an immediate counter-offensive.

In seriously dire straights, Losira decided to go for a nydus canal attack as his last chance at victory.

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Too little, too late.


Though it was a good effort, Losira just didn't have enough units to defeat Nestea's army after nydusing into his main. Losira attempted one more nydus, but he couldn't overcome Nestea's economic advantage. Seeing that his future was bleak, Losira GG'd out.

Nestea:
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3.5/5
He actually made a mistake in this game, what a shocker!

Losira:
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2/5
Was in too much of a hurry to capitalize on Nestea's roach throwaway and ended up discarding his own advantage as well.

Game Four: Xel'Naga Fortress -
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2/5
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Nestea > Losira

Nestea went for the dual-option ten-pool build just like in game two, but this time the "opponent is going hatch first" side of the decision tree was triggered. The result?

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To make it clear, Losira died horribly.


Nestea:
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3.5/5
Such a great calculated risk to go for the same ten-pool build again.

Losira:
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2/5
Lost the flip.

Game Five: Terminus SE -
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4/5
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Nestea won 4-0.

Game Six: Crevasse -
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2.5/5
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Nestea won 4-0.

Game Seven: Metalopolis -
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3/5
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Nestea won 4-0.


Winner Interview - by PlayXP
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Original Interivew

How do you feel about winning the championship?
I'm happy to be the first three time champion. I'm glad the games went as I planned. When I was winning 2-0, I thought that I couldn't lose the third set. So even though it was 2-0, I thought of it as 3-0.

Your overseer contamination rush was impressive
I was originally planning to use it on the fifth set on Terminus. However, my rushes kept getting blocked. Still, my opponent was stopping them on a poor economy, so I thought that I had the advantage. I decided to use it then and there without waiting for the fifth set. I thought it was the most correct decision. If not at that timing, it would have been very hard to win. I used it because it suddenly came to mind.

It was a battle with a teammate. Losira came out taunting you?
Gangho (Losira) said we should play fun games, I thought it was cute. When we practiced before, I always took it easy on him because I couldn't show him everything. I thought this day might come. I thought his challenge was cute. He's a cute dongseng(younger brother), so everything he does is cute.

First three time winner, first place in GSL [ranking] points, first place in prize money: which are you the most happy about?
I'm most satisfied with being first place in GSL points. I'm glad to have the opportunity to participate in Blizzcon.

What do you think is the difference between you and other Zergs?
I'm not so sure what's different, I just want to take a break right now. I do have some years on me... If I don't do well now, my future is unclear, so I play very hard as long as I'm playing because I don't think I could survive otherwise. Other players work hard as well, but I don't think there's a player anywhere who practices more than me. I'm exhausted, with no time to take off. I want to rest.

The friends who practice with me say that I always have a lot of drones. I think that's a small difference, it's more instinct than know-how.

You went for an extreme rush in game four.
I wanted to use that strategy if my opponent took a fast expansion in game two. It was something I had thought of beforehand. Gangho has a tendency to want to play greedily, so I was aiming for that. Even if it becomes disadvantageous like in game two, you can overcome it with good management. It was a prepared build order.

Is there a reason you don't use banelings?
Everyone has a style. Whether it's banelings or roaches, the player who uses them better wins. Because I played while checking what my opponent was going for, there were no big difficulties. Whichever one you choose, it's good for the player who uses them better.

How do you rate Losira's play today?
The strategies I used today were ones I've never revealed before. I used them for the first time today, and he couldn't deal with them properly because not many players use these kind of strategies. While he was lacking in his ability to deal with them, I had my own difficulties as well.

What would happen if other players used today's strategies?
There are yet more builds that will beat these builds. If other players use them, then I would be thankful.

How many new builds did you have prepared?
They were builds that required the opponent to play like Gangho to be used. There were some that I had been thinking about for a while but hadn't been able to show. The builds I used today were builds I could win with, that's all.

There are fans that worry that Terran won't get nerfed because Zerg is strong.
It's a dilemma, I can't can't call for Terran to be nerfed after winning three championships. Honestly ZvT is tough but playable. It changes from time to time, but unconditional nerfs seem greedy. I will have to research it more.

No one's won consecutive GSLs yet.
I want it a lot. If you are a progamer, your only goal is winning. I'll work to make sure I will win, and it would be great if I did. There's no looking back.

Jang Min Chul (MC) and Jeong Jong Hyun (MVP) are on your heels for the #1 ranking spot.
As long as they don't face each other in the finals, it will be difficult for them to catch up to me. If they make it far in a tourney, then I'll just knock them out. Because I'm #1 right now, I'm not worrying about it much.

There are a few players who are asking for you to pick them during the group selection?
I've seen some interviews asking to be picked. But I'm not interested. I plan to pick the player I want. I didn't decide yet, I'll start thinking about it today.

Anything you want to say in conclusion?
I'd like to thank my team's Kim Min Seok ((Z)MinSeOk) and Kim Hyo Jong ((Z)horror), and TSL's Kim Dong Hyun (Z)RevivaL. They played so many games with me. In particular, Horror did so much, even coming to where I was staying to help me practice. Gangho took second place, and even though it's disappointing, there will be opportunities after today so I hope he can be strong. As always, thank you to sponsors Googims company and Coca Cola. I will repay it with good results in the future.


A Tale of Two Semis


(Z)NesTea vs (P)HongUn
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(P)InCa got a lot of crap of for trying (and failing) a lot of cheesy, one-shot builds against Nestea in the previous Code-S final, but can you really blame him? HongUn demonstrated for us in three short games that it's often the only option available to the underdog.

HongUn brought a cute semi all-in build order for the first game; a forge FE with an atypical two stargate follow-up. He used these to mass phoenix while preparing for a big blink-stalker follow up. Nestea held all of this fairly decently by producing well timed defensive units and structures while droning heavily all along. Once HongUn's attack failed, he immediately got trampled by Nestea's overwhelming economy.

Still, there was at least a single moment where you thought HongUn might win the game. When the blink stalkers and phoenixes came running in, there was a short window of time where doubt seeped in, where Nestea's spine crawlers, roaches, and hydras looked awfully lacking in numbers.

In the following two games where HongUn played standard, Nestea's didn't even seem remotely threatened. The second game was as standard as could be on Metalopolis saw the two playing standard-as-can-be macro games, but HongUn just rolled over and died once Nestea decided to attack. Nestea's attack was decently well timed as HongUn tried to take his third, but sadly, it felt like Nestea just decided to apply a little bit of pressure and ended up accidentally winning the game. Of course there were lots of subtle things Nestea was doing well - like splitting his forces up to attack different targets and such - but it just went to show that HongUn could never beat Nestea in a longer game where all those subtle little things had time to add up and make a difference.

The third game was probably the best example of why the strategically inferior player should never try to play straight up. HongUn played it super safe with his three gate expand, and immediately got struck with a game losing disadvantage when he had to make his first important decision of the game.

HongUn decided to take a small but fearsome ground force out to attack Nestea's third base on the opposite corner of the map, upon which Nestea simply counter attacked with roach-ling and killed off HongUn's base in return. It went from two bases vs three to one base vs two; a pretty much unwinnable situation for HongUn.

Even though Nestea is the god of defense and adaptation, HongUn still should have looked to all-in or be unorthodox in every single game (maybe a "standard" game as a rhythm changer during the appropriate set). Perhaps that was his plan, too, but his hurt wrist prevented him from preparing five such builds on five different maps.


(Z)LosirA vs (T)Byun
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Byun looked absolutely crushed after his semi-final match vs Losira and for good reason. It's one thing to lose after several games that show that your opponent clearly has more skill; most people will concede as a deserved loss. However, it's a totally different situation when you lose without being able to "play your game" at all - when you feel like you didn't even get a chance to show what you're capable of.

It was the latter case for Byun, who got completely taken off his game thrice in a row (twice by Losira, once by his own doing). The first game he went for a banshee expand in TvZ, and promptly paid the price when Losira went for a roach all-in (he survived, but at nine SCVs to thirty drones, surviving was all he could manage). In the next game he went for an 11-11 barracks bunker rush against Losira's hatch first. Losira handled it perfectly, simply letting his hatchery die while massing a large amount of speedlings. Byun had brought a lot of SCVs along to ensure his rush "succeeded," but none of them returned home due to Losira's large speedling count. It ended up being a net gain for Losira despite the loss of his hatchery. While Byun made an impressive safe, slow recovery from his poor situation, he eventually lost in an up hill macro battle. In the final game, Byun went for a CC first build on Tal'Darim Altar, only to be promptly countered by a baneling all-in.

Obviously, it was entirely Byun's fault for trying to steal the advantage with risky builds three games in a row, and it was entirely to Losira's credit that he had such a good series-wide strategy. Series planning is a very important skill, as is the ability to take calculated risks over multiple games. There's a bit of luck involved for sure, it's definitely more skill than luck if you can ride it to a high tournament finish (Losira this series, OptimusPrime the last).

Even so, it's always a bit sad to see the victims of that kind of planning, where players go out before they have a chance to show their full potential (similarly, Byun and MMA).

Note: It's amusing that Losira would be the one to employ this "underdog" style of series strategy, considering that he was the favored player. It's something you would have thought HongUn would have tried to do against Nestea.


Interviews by PlayXP, translated by Phosgene


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Farewell to Code-S July: Lessons Learned

By: Fionn


Another GSL is over and what a surprise, it ended in a 4-0 stomping. Luckily for us, the games were good, but it marks the third straight final where one player couldn't win a single game. Now, with the tournament behind us, it's time to look back on the things that we've learned from this GSL:

  1. First and foremost, Nestea is the best player in the world.

  2. Code-S is becoming a really even competition. All of the "upsets" this season weren't so much about the underdogs getting lucky; it's just that the gap between the underdogs and favorites has closed significantly. Except Nestea, he's still 500x better than everyone.

  3. If you pick Clide into your group expecting to beat him, you'll end up getting knocked down to Code A while he makes it out of the group stages.

  4. Immediately after getting out of the group and looking great doing it, Clide will then fall apart and never make the quarterfinals.

  5. Wolf and qxc are the best Code A tandem GOM has put together so far. Many houses have been burned in their wake.

  6. MarineKing can not only get 2nd place in countless GSL's, but he also can go 0-2 in the Round of 32 as well.

  7. Putting makeup on kids who play video games for a living wasn't the greatest idea in the world.

  8. It doesn't matter if he never wins a GSL title, Nada will always be a champion to me.

  9. Real ESPORTS fans care.

  10. sC's decision to pick MVP first in his group can be summed up in one word: oops

  11. Optimus is beatable in TvP, just don't fall for his tricks.

  12. It doesn't matter if Huk is Korean, American or Canadian. All I know is that he's a really good Starcraft 2 player.

  13. Foreign pro-gamers clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their horrifying deaths to unexpected blue-flame hellions at MLG shows.

  14. Foreign fans clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their surprise at the horrifying deaths of foreign pro-gamers at the hands of blue-flame hellions at MLG shows.

  15. Despite all the gloom and doom at MLG, Sheth, Jinro, and Huk showed that success is not TOO far away.

  16. Zenio can't actually win a match when he's half asleep.

  17. If you bribe your player with a puppy as a reward, he will more than likely make the semifinals of a GSL.

  18. It doesn't matter how long a PvP series is. In the end, 90% of the games will come down to 4gate.

  19. Leenock is still the unluckiest player in the entire universe.

  20. Puzzle has a bright future ahead of himself and will be a force to be reckoned with in the upcoming Code S season.

  21. HongUn has a guardian angel following him around.

  22. Any time Artosis starts saying you're the best at something, and your name isn't Nestea, you will more than likely get eliminated right after.

  23. It doesn't matter how much you hype up a GSL final because it will always end up 0-4 or being a terrible series. It is known.

  24. While sC looks foolish for picking MVP with his first choice and getting knocked back to Code A, Losira looks like a genius for picking MarineKing, beating him, and ending up in the finals.

  25. Did I mention that Nestea is the best player in the world?


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It doesn't matter how much you hype up a GSL final because it will always end up 0-4 or being a terrible series. It is known.

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...so what you're saying is...Nestea is decent? O_o?

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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
August 04 2011 21:55 GMT
#8
Some of the lessons learned were stretches, but it was an enjoyable read nonetheless =]
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
August 04 2011 21:56 GMT
#9
Nestea = A word, IMAce
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Lotsa_Spaghetti
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany50 Posts
August 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#10
Great read. I hope the next finals will be more intense, even though this one was not too bad (at least not for a GSL final)
この俺も悲しみを背負う事が出来た。
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
August 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#11
lol these are great - thanks.

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Like
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany94 Posts
August 04 2011 21:59 GMT
#12
Thanks for the writeup!
TL Fighting~!
FranzJosefI
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland22 Posts
August 04 2011 21:59 GMT
#13
Nice write-up.
"Truth is the most valuable thing we have - so let us economize it." - Mark Twain; Proud, but sad member of the Sad Zealot Fan Club
aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
August 04 2011 22:00 GMT
#14
On August 05 2011 06:42 Waxangel wrote:

If you pick Clide into your group expecting to beat him, you'll end up getting knocked down to Code A while he makes it out of the group stages.

Immediately after getting out of the group and looking great doing it, Clide will then fall apart and never make the quarterfinals.


Fun fact: in every Code S so far, Clide has won his group 2-0 (even beating guys like MKP and Nestea), and then lost in the RO16 immediately afterwards. It's ok though, because Clide's gonna win the next GSL, I promise.
elementt
Profile Joined June 2011
Portugal36 Posts
August 04 2011 22:04 GMT
#15
I agree. NesTea is the best in the world. Bonjwa incominggggggggggggggg!
Currently working for ESFI. * NesTea/FruitDealer!!! + www.twitter.com/mjcfernandes
Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
August 04 2011 22:05 GMT
#16
On August 05 2011 06:42 Waxangel wrote:
[*]It doesn't matter how much you hype up a GSL final because it will always end up 0-4 or being a terrible series. It is known.

It is known.

at least it was 4-0 and sorta still a fun series
Team LiquidPoorUser
501TFX
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria345 Posts
August 04 2011 22:05 GMT
#17
Hey! You didnt mention that Nestea is the best player in the world!


No but seriously, great write!
Never let your dreams fade, run after them, run until you get them !
Anonymous1
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6 Posts
August 04 2011 22:06 GMT
#18
I'm surprised you didn't mention at any point how good Nestea is
StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
August 04 2011 22:07 GMT
#19
Great read, good job guys.

Oh, and NesTea fighting !
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
August 04 2011 22:09 GMT
#20
thank you for a fun read. nestea is too cool. :D
^^
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 04 2011 22:15 GMT
#21
I still die at the HongUn/Flash image every time I see it.

Also that puppy is adorable.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Darathor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States327 Posts
August 04 2011 22:17 GMT
#22
Nice write-up! Can't wait to see who gets out of there groups so I can try my best to predict who's gonna win next GSL! *cough*Nestea*cough*
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 22:22:16
August 04 2011 22:21 GMT
#23
The GSL finals can match 2 bonjwas and still somehow end up 4-0. Can't even claim racial imbalance or other crap since a lot of them are mirror matches.
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
August 04 2011 22:25 GMT
#24
I think SC2 really lets Nestea shine; less need for perfect mechanics, and more on the adaption/thinking aspect of starcraft. He plans these games/builds out so well, and also adapts based on what he sees and knows very well as well. Nestea really wins through knowledge it seems; timings, reads, and plans.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 22:30:40
August 04 2011 22:28 GMT
#25
Nestea is ruining esports!









He's just too good 8). Nice write! My personal roundabout: poor MKP, evil Losira, foolish sC, foolish MVP who picked Byun into the group (if I remember correctly), scrappy MC, HongUning HongUn (He simply rulez, hongestly!), sloppy Bomber, stupid InCa. So that's it. What will come next season? Well I don't see any vs Zerg expert, beating Nestea aside from MC and MVP. If MC's masterplan works we might have an exciting and thrilling competition, if not Nestea will win!

EDIT: And btw. I think it's wrong to say Nestea hasn't got superior mechanics. His micro and macro is of the hook, it's brilliant. You rarely see any mistake in unit control from Nestea. He is dominating his opponents in every way possible. That's what's making Nestea so strong, not just his strategies.
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
August 04 2011 22:28 GMT
#26
I rather disappointed and shocked you didn't mention Nestea is the best player in the world.... more than 5 times.
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
August 04 2011 22:29 GMT
#27
On August 05 2011 07:00 aphorism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 06:42 Waxangel wrote:

If you pick Clide into your group expecting to beat him, you'll end up getting knocked down to Code A while he makes it out of the group stages.

Immediately after getting out of the group and looking great doing it, Clide will then fall apart and never make the quarterfinals.


Fun fact: in every Code S so far, Clide has won his group 2-0 (even beating guys like MKP and Nestea), and then lost in the RO16 immediately afterwards. It's ok though, because Clide's gonna win the next GSL, I promise.


And he always loses 2-1 never 2-0.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
August 04 2011 22:31 GMT
#28
On August 05 2011 07:25 dave333 wrote:
I think SC2 really lets Nestea shine; less need for perfect mechanics, and more on the adaption/thinking aspect of starcraft. He plans these games/builds out so well, and also adapts based on what he sees and knows very well as well. Nestea really wins through knowledge it seems; timings, reads, and plans.


Yeah, that is what I always think about Nestea. Clearly he does not have the best mechanic in this world but his strategy cannot be matched too.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Crying
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria778 Posts
August 04 2011 22:34 GMT
#29
Guys how can you actually explain why Nestea is 500000x better than everyone else.
is it that he practices 24/7.
is it that he has the best mechanics?
is it that he is just really gifted at that game?
...my head will explode just thinking about how nestea could've won 100k from foreign tournaments alone i nthe past year
Determination~ Hard Work Surpass NATURAL GENIUS!
Freak705
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada231 Posts
August 04 2011 22:36 GMT
#30
Any chance the regular "awards" post is in the works? Who is this season's TheBest?!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 04 2011 22:37 GMT
#31
-.- Come on nestea. You can win anything. I can't believe you didn't go scoop up the NASL prizepool, and DH. MC, get out of the way, Nestea is the new pirate of western esports.

And well Losira is demonstrating that he is getting pretty damn good himslf.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 04 2011 22:42 GMT
#32
I cried a little in my heart when Nestea won for the third time- MC will win August though
Long live the Boss Toss!
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
August 04 2011 22:48 GMT
#33
Nestea is a monster. I know he of all players deserves a rest, but I hope his break doesn't put him into a big slump. Zergbong for life!
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
August 04 2011 22:48 GMT
#34
Nice write up, loved the lessons learned section, especially the Hongun picture
roosten
Profile Joined August 2010
125 Posts
August 04 2011 22:50 GMT
#35
On August 05 2011 06:42 Waxangel wrote:
Any time Artosis starts saying you're the best at something, and your name isn't Nestea, you will more than likely get eliminated right after.


Actually cracked up at this point. Poor guy, but it's so true. Great writeup as ever, I'd been waiting for it so thanks guys
Bartiemus
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand84 Posts
August 04 2011 22:52 GMT
#36
Good write up im looking foward to the August preview.
Id rather just kill you and call it a day.
GGfytheWORLD
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)37 Posts
August 04 2011 23:01 GMT
#37
Amazing read as usual guys, Nestea=Bonjwa!
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
August 04 2011 23:03 GMT
#38
In retrospect, contaminating the hatcheries was helpful, but gooping the evo-chambers actually did nothing.


I'm sure it delayed both upgrades enough that they were not done for NesTea's 2nd Roach attack, NesTea's +2 wasn't finished either but the contaminate meant neither were LosirA's +1 +1. This is actually shown in your follow up screen shot on the production tab.

Else wise I think it would have been 1-1 vs 0-1 during the 2nd timing.
Hmmm
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
August 04 2011 23:17 GMT
#39
Thanks!
You should build a turtle fence!
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
August 04 2011 23:21 GMT
#40
|Foreign fans clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their surprise at the horrifying deaths of foreign pro-gamers at the hands of blue-flame hellions at MLG shows."

this is absolutely true, even for the casters at MSL who'd expect to watch GSL as part of research for their profession.

It was really pathetic to see casters getting all hyped up and surprised about mech and helions as some crazy new shit they never seen.

It's been around for a while, and the first i saw of it effectively in fact was in NASL from Strelok vs Nada, then Nada used it in the GSL and the build's been perfected since then with additions of even more helions, raven to counter marauders, better viking balance, etc.

So pathetic to see foreign casters get so shocked, even Day9. I often wonder what these guys are doing, don't they have time to at least watch the GSL and stay on top of trend and info like any professional of their trade would do, stay ontop of the trend.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
August 04 2011 23:21 GMT
#41
Excellent write up! Love both the recap and the 25 point list. TL <3
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
August 04 2011 23:22 GMT
#42
Professor T is a Boss! <3

God that entire "meme" is so stupid and makes NO sense. WHY would HongUn's guardian angel be Flash? Can nobody see the resemblance to HongUn and Stork?!(Also they both play P) Sighhhhhhhh!
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
August 04 2011 23:23 GMT
#43
On August 05 2011 08:21 MildSeven wrote:
|Foreign fans clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their surprise at the horrifying deaths of foreign pro-gamers at the hands of blue-flame hellions at MLG shows."

this is absolutely true, even for the casters at MSL who'd expect to watch GSL as part of research for their profession.

It was really pathetic to see casters getting all hyped up and surprised about mech and helions as some crazy new shit they never seen.

It's been around for a while, and the first i saw of it effectively in fact was in NASL from Strelok vs Nada, then Nada used it in the GSL and the build's been perfected since then with additions of even more helions, raven to counter marauders, better viking balance, etc.

So pathetic to see foreign casters get so shocked, even Day9. I often wonder what these guys are doing, don't they have time to at least watch the GSL and stay on top of trend and info like any professional of their trade would do, stay ontop of the trend.


The only innovation or something new i saw at the MLG was the Slayers TvP and perhaps little tweaks in the mech vs mech TvT. But the overall mech TvT itself has been around for the last 2 months.
Keap
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
August 04 2011 23:27 GMT
#44
Meh, Nestea is ok I suppose.

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just kidding hahaha
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
August 04 2011 23:33 GMT
#45
Nestea 4 lyfe
klo8
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria1960 Posts
August 04 2011 23:34 GMT
#46
On August 05 2011 08:22 Slardar wrote:
Professor T is a Boss! <3

God that entire "meme" is so stupid and makes NO sense. WHY would HongUn's guardian angel be Flash? Can nobody see the resemblance to HongUn and Stork?!(Also they both play P) Sighhhhhhhh!

Because both of them have wrist injuries.
This post is clearly not a hurr, as you can see from the graph, the durr never intersects with the derp.
theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
August 04 2011 23:42 GMT
#47
i want a little NesTea idol to worship...
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 23:47:04
August 04 2011 23:46 GMT
#48
Great write-up, but you really, really, don't need spoiler tags in an article posted almost a week after the finals titled Code A/S July review (other than for space in which case having the matches 5-7 there is useless). Someone would have to be incredibly stupid to get spoiled by this. Very minor complaint though, over-spoilficationing (yes I made that up) drives me crazy on this site, enjoyed everything else!
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
August 04 2011 23:51 GMT
#49
#21 was freaking hilarious
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 04 2011 23:53 GMT
#50
amazing writeup again, thanks =)
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
August 04 2011 23:54 GMT
#51
Nestea has better macro and micro than any other Zergs. It's true he's amazing strategically but he also has top mechanics.
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
August 05 2011 00:00 GMT
#52
it is known khaleesi
may the best of your todays, be the worst of your tomorrows
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
August 05 2011 00:07 GMT
#53
Come on nestea! 3 more titles for bonjwa! (according to himself).
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
August 05 2011 00:19 GMT
#54
Whoa, that puppy! After reading this, my conclusion is that Nestea might be a good Sc2 player. Probably.
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
August 05 2011 00:24 GMT
#55
Loved the Farewell to Code-S July: Lessons Learned article.
TVUmK
Profile Joined April 2011
United States91 Posts
August 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#56
He's trying to say that NesTea is good, i think.


But in all seriousness, it was a good GSL, and even though the finals were one-sided, it was still fun to watch, and well worth my season pass.
"Just go (freaking) kill him!"-Day9
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
August 05 2011 00:52 GMT
#57
Nestea played great throughout the entire tournament going 14-0! The finals were only a reflection of his dominance throughout.
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 05 2011 01:05 GMT
#58
Lol gz Nestea and that Hongun+Flash pic had me loling hard
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Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
August 05 2011 01:21 GMT
#59
Great write up
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
August 05 2011 01:28 GMT
#60
Lol, Amazing writeup as usual, TL <3
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
August 05 2011 01:45 GMT
#61
I agree with #1 and #25
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 01:47:10
August 05 2011 01:45 GMT
#62
On August 05 2011 08:46 Duravi wrote:
Great write-up, but you really, really, don't need spoiler tags in an article posted almost a week after the finals titled Code A/S July review (other than for space in which case having the matches 5-7 there is useless). Someone would have to be incredibly stupid to get spoiled by this. Very minor complaint though, over-spoilficationing (yes I made that up) drives me crazy on this site, enjoyed everything else!



You'd be surprised.
mightykites
Profile Joined April 2010
United States10 Posts
August 05 2011 01:48 GMT
#63
aww i was hoping for rewards and trophys this season...its ok! still a good read
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
August 05 2011 01:55 GMT
#64
nestea: best player in the world, rated mostly 3.5/5 in zvz. ;D
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 02:02:28
August 05 2011 01:58 GMT
#65
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 05 2011 01:58 GMT
#66
One question: Where are the Junkka Awards?!
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
August 05 2011 02:24 GMT
#67
tottaly knew NesTea would 4-0 was pretty funny seeing how amazing Losira did those infested terran on his main but then NesTea pushed out :3

Fantastic Read
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 05 2011 02:29 GMT
#68
On August 05 2011 10:58 FuzzyJAM wrote:
One question: Where are the Junkka Awards?!


They will be every other tournament. So look for them in August.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
August 05 2011 02:33 GMT
#69
Who in their right mind picks MVP O_o. Being Cocky gets you nowhere.
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 05 2011 02:41 GMT
#70
Nice write-up guys!
chrissummers
Profile Joined March 2011
243 Posts
August 05 2011 02:43 GMT
#71
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.


1. MC was hyped back then in GSL Open S2. If you watch the VOD, you will see that he was the HUGE favorite and artosis even said some people claim that MC is the best player right now. Calling him mediocre is acutally not woth discussing.

2. TheWind and Zenio were very strong players at that time, especially zenio was said to be a ZvZ monster.

3. Anypro was in his prime back then, beating July beforehand. I don't see how you can claim Anypros PvZ back then wasn't good.

4. Coca is not bad at all, in fact, he beat alicia and showed very decent play. in fact, he also showed good play against Nestea.

5. Hongun showed in this tournament that he can do a lot of good timing attacks and for a good reason he almost allkilled Slayers. Not dropping a map against someone like him is so amazing.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
August 05 2011 02:47 GMT
#72
On August 05 2011 11:33 GinDo wrote:
Who in their right mind picks MVP O_o. Being Cocky gets you nowhere.

MC lol
Evilruler
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil116 Posts
August 05 2011 02:49 GMT
#73
Thanks for the write up! Very nice, looking foward to the next GSL.
Too bad I missed the finals. It was 4 AM here when the alarm started, but I could'nt wake up. Long day and that "it's ZvZ" feeling. Turns out it was awesome.
And nestea ftw.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33298 Posts
August 05 2011 02:49 GMT
#74
On August 05 2011 08:03 unoriginalname wrote:
Show nested quote +
In retrospect, contaminating the hatcheries was helpful, but gooping the evo-chambers actually did nothing.


I'm sure it delayed both upgrades enough that they were not done for NesTea's 2nd Roach attack, NesTea's +2 wasn't finished either but the contaminate meant neither were LosirA's +1 +1. This is actually shown in your follow up screen shot on the production tab.

Else wise I think it would have been 1-1 vs 0-1 during the 2nd timing.


nah, if you watch the VOD the timing works out so the armor is done regardless, unless he had chain contaminated the correct evo chamber
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33298 Posts
August 05 2011 02:50 GMT
#75
On August 05 2011 08:21 MildSeven wrote:
|Foreign fans clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their surprise at the horrifying deaths of foreign pro-gamers at the hands of blue-flame hellions at MLG shows."

this is absolutely true, even for the casters at MSL who'd expect to watch GSL as part of research for their profession.

It was really pathetic to see casters getting all hyped up and surprised about mech and helions as some crazy new shit they never seen.

It's been around for a while, and the first i saw of it effectively in fact was in NASL from Strelok vs Nada, then Nada used it in the GSL and the build's been perfected since then with additions of even more helions, raven to counter marauders, better viking balance, etc.

So pathetic to see foreign casters get so shocked, even Day9. I often wonder what these guys are doing, don't they have time to at least watch the GSL and stay on top of trend and info like any professional of their trade would do, stay ontop of the trend.


But this way we get to be Starcraft hipsters
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
August 05 2011 03:16 GMT
#76
Fionn - you are the analysis/hype bonjwa.
Excellent read.
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
August 05 2011 03:45 GMT
#77
PUPPY!!!!!! :D:D:D
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
August 05 2011 03:58 GMT
#78
On August 05 2011 11:50 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 08:21 MildSeven wrote:
|Foreign fans clearly don't watch enough GSL, as their surprise at the horrifying deaths of foreign pro-gamers at the hands of blue-flame hellions at MLG shows."

this is absolutely true, even for the casters at MSL who'd expect to watch GSL as part of research for their profession.

It was really pathetic to see casters getting all hyped up and surprised about mech and helions as some crazy new shit they never seen.

It's been around for a while, and the first i saw of it effectively in fact was in NASL from Strelok vs Nada, then Nada used it in the GSL and the build's been perfected since then with additions of even more helions, raven to counter marauders, better viking balance, etc.

So pathetic to see foreign casters get so shocked, even Day9. I often wonder what these guys are doing, don't they have time to at least watch the GSL and stay on top of trend and info like any professional of their trade would do, stay ontop of the trend.


But this way we get to be Starcraft hipsters

and I like it.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
August 05 2011 04:05 GMT
#79
On August 05 2011 07:05 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 06:42 Waxangel wrote:
[*]It doesn't matter how much you hype up a GSL final because it will always end up 0-4 or being a terrible series. It is known.

It is known.

at least it was 4-0 and sorta still a fun series


Winter is coming.

Also, yeah at least 2 of the games were pretty solid.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
August 05 2011 04:23 GMT
#80
WTF, you forgot to mention that Nestea is the best player in the world... Other than that great write-up.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
August 05 2011 04:27 GMT
#81
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)


Well you won't have to worry about Nestea's GSL August run. He has MMA in his group and will likely either face MC or MVP in the Ro16.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
August 05 2011 04:51 GMT
#82
If you bribe your player with a puppy as a reward, he will more than likely make the semifinals of a GSL.


LOL

Nice write-up! Thanks!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
August 05 2011 04:58 GMT
#83
SAVE MSL!!!!!

ROFL such a good read. Thank you so much!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 05:06:40
August 05 2011 05:06 GMT
#84
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)


It's not luck his competition keeps failing, on either meeting him or getting beaten by him.
He is the best player in the world, so called easy way or not.
Blame MC/Bomber instead.

shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
August 05 2011 05:27 GMT
#85
Yet another great read.
[Fear the leather Gracket!] // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ // Liquid'Hero hwaiting!
Eroart
Profile Joined July 2011
Greece37 Posts
August 05 2011 05:42 GMT
#86
How come no one has mentioned it yet?

Definite GSL Fact:
"If a couple hundred people on TL bet their lives on you winning a match against a severely un-favored opponent, you will simply lose!"

Great writeup btw!
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
August 05 2011 05:56 GMT
#87
I loved the lessons learned.

Great read
Aiyeeeee
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 05 2011 06:22 GMT
#88
>Any time Artosis starts saying you're the best at something, and your name isn't Nestea, you will more than likely get eliminated right after.

I love you.
ffxiv enjoyer
knightwulf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada174 Posts
August 05 2011 06:23 GMT
#89
great read thanks #19 soo true. i really like him too
AgentV
Profile Joined November 2010
United States159 Posts
August 05 2011 06:47 GMT
#90
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)


Well, you do realize that every opponent that Nestea faced that was not "real" actually beat the "real" or someone who beat the "real" opponents to get there right?
Imo, the fact that any player can beat some generally higher skilled in a boX just goes to show how tough competitive SC2 is.
Nestea is good because he can keep the consistency by not losing to lesser player and can still beat "real" opponents when it counts.
Don Rag U
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 06:59:44
August 05 2011 06:55 GMT
#91
So many ASoIaF references in this thread... did I miss something?

EDIT: It's in the Proleague hype post as well and I feel stupid for forgetting that a television series has just been made on it. Ignore my stupid question.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
GhchD
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary52 Posts
August 05 2011 07:02 GMT
#92
The 20 things to remember made me laugh like hell !! awesome thread
Xaerkar
Profile Joined January 2011
United States230 Posts
August 05 2011 07:08 GMT
#93
Kudos to the OP man, great read lots of hilarious moments, especially the artosis mvp elimination joke. Also to the guy that said Nestea had the easiest path to the finals, you clearly don't watch enough GSL and underestimate the talent of all the players in Code S.
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
August 05 2011 07:13 GMT
#94
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)


I know statistics dont say much but look. The man is 70-25 in the GSL so indeed a great record. Not to mention this GSL he didn't drop one fucking game and that says more that a lot, i mean really, how can you not drop 1 game, 1.

Great read, 10x for posting, and yeah Nestea is the best player in the world atm. Too bad you didn't mention it
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
August 05 2011 07:16 GMT
#95
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history


I think your post might be the worst, most inane post on any major website at any point of time in the history of the internet. Always some noob who just doesn't get how hard it is to make it look so easy.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 07:19:14
August 05 2011 07:18 GMT
#96
double post
Gamma4
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia75 Posts
August 05 2011 08:10 GMT
#97
just so you guys know you spelt tournament wrong in the preview of this post on the home page.
Just Huking around ;)
Harmonious
Profile Joined December 2010
179 Posts
August 05 2011 08:14 GMT
#98
On August 05 2011 06:51 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Nestea is good


You sir, have a flair for understatement.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 08:33:56
August 05 2011 08:33 GMT
#99
one day somewhere we willll have a 4-3 final lol with a comback included perhaps 2012? lol
Live and Let Die!
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 08:43:27
August 05 2011 08:43 GMT
#100
Really happy for NesTea. Truly is the best player, absolutely confirmed by his 3 GSL titles. Can't wait to see him in action in foreign tournaments someday, hopefully while he's still such an amazing player.

EDIT: 100th post =)
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
August 05 2011 08:52 GMT
#101
Code-S is becoming a really even competition. All of the "upsets" this season weren't so much about the underdogs getting lucky; it's just that the gap between the underdogs and favorites has closed significantly. Except Nestea, he's still 500x better than everyone.


This is probably true among the Terrans, but I think for Protoss, MC is still well above players like Hongun in PvT and PvZ. PvP though just has a lower skill cap than those matchups, at least in the current metagame, and there was never much of a gap to close.
Harmonious
Profile Joined December 2010
179 Posts
August 05 2011 09:19 GMT
#102
On August 05 2011 17:52 Rococo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Code-S is becoming a really even competition. All of the "upsets" this season weren't so much about the underdogs getting lucky; it's just that the gap between the underdogs and favorites has closed significantly. Except Nestea, he's still 500x better than everyone.


This is probably true among the Terrans, but I think for Protoss, MC is still well above players like Hongun in PvT and PvZ. PvP though just has a lower skill cap than those matchups, at least in the current metagame, and there was never much of a gap to close.


I am not sure about the skill cap, but mistakes are punished severely almost every time and therefore it often depends on who makes the first mistake. That often boils down to luck.

So it is not that the skill cap is low, it is that the luck factor is very high, making skill less of a factor than in the other match ups.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
August 05 2011 10:28 GMT
#103
I don't think we can blame the PvP matchup too much for MC's loss vs HongUn. MC just plain made too many mistakes and got punished for them, he had a bad day, he wasn't focussing on that matchup as he thought HongUn would be a walkover and was concentrating on his PvZ for Nestea.

I still want to see an MC vs Nestea next GSL.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
August 05 2011 12:31 GMT
#104
Great read, thanks!
MrSandman
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia188 Posts
August 05 2011 14:00 GMT
#105
So...Nestea is a baller player killing machine who feeds on the tears of nerds. Was anyone surprised?
TeamLiquid: Teaching trolls latin since 2002 || Before every post ask yourself, how would I feel if someone else said it? ||
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
August 05 2011 14:51 GMT
#106
Nestea!!!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
August 05 2011 15:08 GMT
#107
It doesn't matter if he never wins a GSL title, Nada will always be a champion to me.

So true, so true. *tear*

(dang it, I wanted a losira upset)
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
August 05 2011 15:51 GMT
#108
B to the onjwa
"Who always takes a taxi, but never pays a fare?" - "Vegeta!?" ||||exclusively a fan of RET!! .... and perhaps ClouD !
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 05 2011 17:46 GMT
#109
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)

This is what holds me back as well and losing to players like GoOdy and other foreign compitition. We shall see after this season if he's "the best in the world" now there is actually some stiff competition ahead of him rather than walkovers.
MC for president
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
August 05 2011 19:10 GMT
#110
So excited for next season! Both Code S and Code A are freaking stacked. And even after only a year, the players by now all bring their stories along.

BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
August 05 2011 20:09 GMT
#111
I have to laugh everytime i read about artosis jinxis players theories :-)
good read.
BoxersGosuGarden
Profile Joined April 2011
Philippines155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 23:46:31
August 05 2011 23:42 GMT
#112
On August 06 2011 02:46 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 10:58 MrCon wrote:
Nestea is good, I have no problem about that.
But Nestea won 3 times the 3 times he had the most easiest path to the trophy ever.

GSL open 2 : TheBest, MC (MC was not what he is now. He was a mediocre protoss at this time, he exploded the next season (which means he was quite good during GSL2, I'll admit that)), TheWind, Zenio, Boxer, MKP. MKP was an ultimate challenge, it's true. That makes one real opponent he beat, one and half if I count MC.

GSL May : Clide, Jinro in groups. Got beat by Clide, won twice against jinro. Then FD, anypro, sC, inca. One real opponent again (sC, won 3-2).

GSL July : free win vs Rain, then July in groups. Then he got a path until the finals that July would have won too, I think it was the easiest road to any major tournament victory of anygame at any point of time in history. All the top tier players would have won this GSL (or went into the finals) with this path : ensnare, coca, hongun. Losira in the finals was his only real opponent.

I'm not saying nestea is bad. I'm saying that there's a high chance that if MVP, Bomer or any other top5 player would have had any of the paths Nestea had in his 3 victorious GSL runs, those players would likely had won too.

I'll stop the disclaimers here. But I don't hate Nestea, in fact I love him and I think he's the best player currently. My point is that he's a lucky bastard :D The difficulty of his GSL open 2 run is also open to discussion, one could argue it was not as easy as I described it.

Nestea is good, and if he keeps winning against those "real opponents" it's because he's very good. The thing is, Nestea is also very lucky. Perhaps one day we'll see Nestea draw a real group of death and meet more than one top tier code S player on his way, and then win code S. Until then, my theory is that he is an extremely talented player and also the luckiest GSL player, who basically won 3 GSL in 3 matches and 20 semi walkovers. (some of those were walkovers because he's a ZvZ god, which defeat my point a little :D)

This is what holds me back as well and losing to players like GoOdy and other foreign compitition. We shall see after this season if he's "the best in the world" now there is actually some stiff competition ahead of him rather than walkovers.

What do you mean "other foreign competition"? Nestea said it himself he hates online tournaments because of the lag and latency issues between servers. He wants to compete in other foreign tournaments by coming in personally to avoid those issues but never gets the chance because of his GSL performance. Also, heavy mech style wasn't popular in Korea at that time so Nestea already had a disadvantage. He basically had no knowledge about his opponent, and since Nestea's dominance revolves around him studying his opponent's style, it was an impressive stand. Nestea will absolutely rape GoOdy if they were to meet again. In GSL Open Season 2, it was obviously less skilled matches, but the point was he absolutely dominated DURING that time. He was ahead of everyone and MKP only won games because of his marine timings/micro. Nestea during that time macroed harder than anyone and hasn't given that title up since. His micro keeps getting more refined which makes him even more deadly. Another point to make is that he hasn't slumped as hard as the other supposed "contenders" of the best SC2 player. He tilted a bit when players couldn't cope with MC's early game pressure and MVP's multi-pronged harass, but then came back with vigor in GSL May with some amazing strats and decision-making. Nestea's style is hardest to counter I would say compared to MVP and MC because he doesn't rely on perfect micro and focuses on out-thinking and out-macroing the other player. Although ZvT is his weakest MU, Terrans still have to execute perfect timings and builds to beat him. I guess MC, MMA, MVP and Bomber weren't as lucky as Nestea by getting put against HongUn, Puzzle, sC and Byun.
Edit: If you think about it, all GSL champions have had easy routes to their championships due to the fact that they actually haven't faced each other in the finals/semis with the exception of MVP/Nestea.
zerg sad
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
August 05 2011 23:49 GMT
#113
OK so NesTea 10 pool -> 3.5/5
LosirA fast expand (coin flip) -> 2/5

way too much bias is this write-up for my taste

NesTea is such a scary zerg player. No one comes even close to his level. This has come to the point where it's hard to see objectivity when it comes to him.
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
Winston177
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada3 Posts
August 06 2011 04:57 GMT
#114
That was a great write up; thanks for putting in the effort!

Your list of "things we learned" made me chuckle as well; well played sir, well played.

Nestea is the GODZERG! FIGHTING!
chaosdarkprince
Profile Joined November 2010
Ecuador52 Posts
August 06 2011 05:14 GMT
#115
love the "artosis" remark... he really carries dense karma with him (maybe too much hating)
Khas Naradahk!!
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
August 06 2011 12:13 GMT
#116
I don't like your ratings, nevertheless, good writeup.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
August 06 2011 21:38 GMT
#117
It doesn't matter if Huk is Korean, American or Canadian. All I know is that he's a really good Starcraft 2 player.


kid's gonna do great in Korea. He's fitting in pretty well. Hope to see him more in the GSTL.
Jesushooves
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada553 Posts
August 07 2011 17:48 GMT
#118
Where is Code A review? :S
Nice Writeup on Code S though.
Lose its good, after will be win.
tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
August 08 2011 00:57 GMT
#119
I agree that wolf and qxc is an awesome casting duo, however Torch deserves a lot of hype. He is GOOD. Great write up.
FIRETRUCK
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden78 Posts
August 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#120
Nice, blurry JPEG. I like it
( ' .') ('<_' )
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
August 08 2011 11:47 GMT
#121
I dont follow the GSL that closely, is Nestea any good?
nah
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
August 08 2011 14:11 GMT
#122
What would happen if other players used today's strategies?
There are yet more builds that will beat these builds. If other players use them, then I would be thankful.


I love this answer. Go ahead... try to turn my own builds against me. I already know their weaknesses and I will crush you. <3 Nestea
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 08 2011 16:47 GMT
#123
That was great
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