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FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
March 12 2005 11:03 GMT
#81
On March 12 2005 12:13 travis wrote:
u ppl who are saying pascal is a fish prolly have no idea what ur talking about :-(

there are diff styles of tournament play, and tight-aggressive is only one of them.
odds go beyond your % chance to win


He played all ins where he knew / couldn't be sure that he was behind for a large portion of his stack. Easy folds for him he simply pushed all in. He was a lucksack this tournament, an incredibly undeserving lucksack.
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
March 12 2005 17:34 GMT
#82
lucksack? lol i thought that was only a word in dutch.. "gelukzak"
DANCE ALL DAY
pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
March 12 2005 17:59 GMT
#83
fucking gelukzak
- Evergrey - This is a fucking British flag, and these colours dont fucking run! - Bruce Dickinson
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
March 12 2005 19:57 GMT
#84
Glücksack
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 12 2005 20:49 GMT
#85
On March 12 2005 20:03 FrinkX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2005 12:13 travis wrote:
u ppl who are saying pascal is a fish prolly have no idea what ur talking about :-(

there are diff styles of tournament play, and tight-aggressive is only one of them.
odds go beyond your % chance to win


He played all ins where he knew / couldn't be sure that he was behind for a large portion of his stack. Easy folds for him he simply pushed all in. He was a lucksack this tournament, an incredibly undeserving lucksack.


first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about

and frink -
from what i read it sounded like he was doing more pushing than folding. even if u are behind, there's somethin called fold equity. you think ALL his chips were won on bad beats? you act like you were there.
trust me, if you win EPT vienna or france or wherever the hell this one was(i cant remember) chances are u aren't a fish.
jesus, so many people said the same thing about moneymaker after he won WSOP, cuz they saw T.V. coverage of him giving out some big bad beats in key hands. well guess what, moneymaker isn't a fish. He's a pretty good player.
sure, he's no john juanda or phil ivey, but how many players are? he sure as hell isn't dead money.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
March 12 2005 20:52 GMT
#86
On March 12 2005 20:03 FrinkX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2005 12:13 travis wrote:
u ppl who are saying pascal is a fish prolly have no idea what ur talking about :-(

there are diff styles of tournament play, and tight-aggressive is only one of them.
odds go beyond your % chance to win


He played all ins where he knew / couldn't be sure that he was behind for a large portion of his stack. Easy folds for him he simply pushed all in. He was a lucksack this tournament, an incredibly undeserving lucksack.


you are dumb
why so 진지해?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 12 2005 20:56 GMT
#87
some random live tourney finishes from our luck sack:

http://www.pokerineurope.com/playerprofiles/detail.php?playerid=149
pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
March 12 2005 21:17 GMT
#88
man hes lucky!!!
- Evergrey - This is a fucking British flag, and these colours dont fucking run! - Bruce Dickinson
GG15-Style
Profile Joined September 2004
Panama593 Posts
March 12 2005 21:46 GMT
#89
what is his final rank?
[GG]=best team ever
Suicide
Profile Joined December 2002
United States475 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-13 01:24:39
March 13 2005 01:21 GMT
#90
On March 13 2005 05:49 travis wrote:
first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about


Uhm... my exact words were
I disagree with Travis for defending pascal becuase Pascal made some pretty stupid plays in my opinion ( although I don't know the facts or how much he had to call cold / his chip stack at the time )

Therefore, how am I full of shit for anything, and or how can you say that with such disrespect =[ What I meant by this was that Those seemed like very stupid plays, let me elaborate incase you didn't understand:

If you have to call a raise of 1/4 of your stack with k-10 preflop, that would be a terrible call. That is why I mentioned how I didn't know how much he had to call cold ( if it was something like a fourth of his stack, or just something less which would prompt a call) and why I didn't know how much he had in chips, which are two factors <-- This was meant to be a disclaimer because I don't know the situation and am talking broad.

Next my comments about luck, if you played alot of poker, or even watched it, how many players have won back to back since Johnny Chan did it at the WSOP? None. Although this is partly due to the fact that their are sooo many great poker players every year, it is also due to the fact that luck plays a huge role in tournaments.

Not just bad beats are lucky, situational luck works, in WSOP2003 Scotty Nyguen gets dealt AA, vs a short stacked guy ( the wsop 2002 winner) who has KK, preflop events lead to an all in, thats just a lucky situation and he benefited a good amount of chips for it.

Even broader scope, the last 3 WSOP champions are amatuer as oppose to pro.
Raymer got KILLED at the Tournament of Champions becuase he made an an uncountable number of bad calls

And how do you even try to doubt that fact that with 2000++ players luck doesn't play a huge roll in the finals, since everyone is good enough to beat anyone in nearly the top 100 or even in a 500 man tourney their are still a huge group of those that are skilled.

Please don't assume I don't know anything about poker, and be a little bit more respectful?


[EDIT]: I do change my idea of chastizing Travis for defending him, since he definately isn't just a lucky scrub that doesn't deserve to win, but I do think that he had his fair share of luck to win this tournament.
Life drags on
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
March 13 2005 03:45 GMT
#91
if someone constantly has a big stack if he's around on day 3 it's not luck
JAM THE FUCKER!
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
March 13 2005 05:33 GMT
#92
i know im nowhere near the poker superstars you are and im not sure exactly how the hand vs elky happened. but if you call elkys push (if he pushed) when elky had a pretty good stack with KT..offsuit i think you cant think that you have more than 3 outs =\
or even if he pushed elky it was probably after elkys raise so it still wouldnt make any sense to me
maybe it just seems like bad play to me but if travis or rek could explain this to me itd be much appriciated.
PoorUser on LP
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
March 13 2005 06:02 GMT
#93
he misread elky as "weak" probably putting him on AJo which elky would need to fold
but he had jacks
JAM THE FUCKER!
FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
March 13 2005 10:57 GMT
#94
On March 13 2005 05:49 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2005 20:03 FrinkX wrote:
On March 12 2005 12:13 travis wrote:
u ppl who are saying pascal is a fish prolly have no idea what ur talking about :-(

there are diff styles of tournament play, and tight-aggressive is only one of them.
odds go beyond your % chance to win


He played all ins where he knew / couldn't be sure that he was behind for a large portion of his stack. Easy folds for him he simply pushed all in. He was a lucksack this tournament, an incredibly undeserving lucksack.


first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about

and frink -
from what i read it sounded like he was doing more pushing than folding. even if u are behind, there's somethin called fold equity. you think ALL his chips were won on bad beats? you act like you were there.
trust me, if you win EPT vienna or france or wherever the hell this one was(i cant remember) chances are u aren't a fish.
jesus, so many people said the same thing about moneymaker after he won WSOP, cuz they saw T.V. coverage of him giving out some big bad beats in key hands. well guess what, moneymaker isn't a fish. He's a pretty good player.
sure, he's no john juanda or phil ivey, but how many players are? he sure as hell isn't dead money.


Well obviously.... but i believe in elky's situation it was something like elky having 30k stack and pascal having ~100k? not exactly sure. Dunno, i dont think it's a smart play. I can't remember what elky said, but i believe each of these guys had decent sized stacks, just seems like too much risk for so many chips with such a great prize.

Rekrul, sounds like ur still a wee bit upset from when i lurped u in our HU
amoeba
Profile Joined October 2004
United States283 Posts
March 14 2005 06:14 GMT
#95
On March 13 2005 10:21 Suicide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2005 05:49 travis wrote:
first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about



Even broader scope, the last 3 WSOP champions are amatuer as oppose to pro.
Raymer got KILLED at the Tournament of Champions becuase he made an an uncountable number of bad calls






raymer did not get killed at the Tournament of champions and he did not make an uncountable number of bad calls.
FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
March 14 2005 12:47 GMT
#96
On March 14 2005 15:14 amoeba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2005 10:21 Suicide wrote:
On March 13 2005 05:49 travis wrote:
first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about



Even broader scope, the last 3 WSOP champions are amatuer as oppose to pro.
Raymer got KILLED at the Tournament of Champions becuase he made an an uncountable number of bad calls






raymer did not get killed at the Tournament of champions and he did not make an uncountable number of bad calls.


neither of you supported your claims with any proof
amoeba
Profile Joined October 2004
United States283 Posts
March 14 2005 22:56 GMT
#97
On March 14 2005 21:47 FrinkX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2005 15:14 amoeba wrote:
On March 13 2005 10:21 Suicide wrote:
On March 13 2005 05:49 travis wrote:
first - suicide ur so full of shit u have no clue what ur talking about



Even broader scope, the last 3 WSOP champions are amatuer as oppose to pro.
Raymer got KILLED at the Tournament of Champions becuase he made an an uncountable number of bad calls






raymer did not get killed at the Tournament of champions and he did not make an uncountable number of bad calls.


neither of you supported your claims with any proof


The burden of proof is on him. I can't look up and post every hand where he didn't make a bad call. On the other hand, if raymer did really make uncountable number of bad calls, Suicide can easily say post 4 hands where this occurred.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 14 2005 22:59 GMT
#98
suicide i think what u mean is that he isn't "world class"
and i said ur full of shit because you said:

"but In order to win a poker tournament skill isnt really a factor, I find that skill will only take you to about the top 10% of the field, luck carries you the rest of the way and he had it"

which obviously does show you're full of shit since you contradict it in your next post when making the reference to the fact that there have been back to back wins before
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
March 17 2005 00:25 GMT
#99
Poker is very similar to SC
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
twoez4mins
Profile Joined February 2005
United States49 Posts
March 17 2005 08:46 GMT
#100
oo my sexy elkyyyyy please win the money!!!!gogo gl hf gogo
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