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[GSL] Super Tournament Finals Preview

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GSL Super Tournament - Finals Preview
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Results and Reviews

SlayerS_MMA:
The True Heir


PoltPrime.WE
Hate Me Now


Strategies of the
Tournament:
Terran versus Terran



I wonder, now that it's all coming to a close, what this tournament was. With the top 64 players in GSL history invited for this tournament, shouldn't it have been bigger than the regular Code-S tournaments, been some kind of, well, SUPER tournament?

Alas, it seems like it's only one in name. I don't think it's any single party's fault, or if there's anything to find fault in, but there's an all-around refusal to take this thing seriously. The vibe I get from Korea and the rest of the world is that it's a fun mid-year special event, but more or less on par with the usual Code-S tournaments. Seeing that GomTV plans to hold the Blizzard Cup later this year between the top ten GSL players, maybe they're saving the "best of the best" hype for the end of the year.

I guess there's nothing wrong with that, and having the Super Tournament as a special event to break up the monotony of Code-S. But given the quality of players that competed, the way they were selected, and how damn hard it was to progress through each round, the Super Tournament is not getting the respect it deserves.

So I'm gonna ask you guys to believe OUR hype at least: If you care about skill, good players, and good Starcraft, this was the biggest event in SC II history.


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Semi-Final One: (T)SlayerS_MMA vs (T)MarineKingPrime.WE

Game One: Crossfire SE - [image loading] 3.5/5
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MKP > MMA

Both players opened 12 rax 13 gas and opted to skip scouting entirely. While this was fine for MMA as MKP was going for an entirely ordinary cloak banshee build, MKP would definitely have benefited from getting into MMA's base and scouting out his 2nd barracks and ghost academy. MMA pushed out with a ghost and a handful of marines, hitting well before banshee timing.

MKP had not even bothered to build a bunker, putting him in a very precarious situation. Having caught his opponent so off-guard, MMA chose to utilize his force in a peculiar manner.

Facing a handful of marines and a standard wall-in at MKP's ramp, MMA chose to stand there and kill the depot and barracks while MKP backed off. Though it looked odd at first, it made sense after watching the situation play out.

Running straight into the mineral line to hunt SCVs could have lead to a massacre if MKP engaged well with his workers. By hitting the barracks instead, MMA forced MKP to pull his SCVs out of the mineral line to repair, which let him kill them at his leisure.

However, the barracks was really the worst building he could have focus fired. Against MMA's unit composition, marines were the worst unit MKP could have built, and the one of least concern for MMA. Instead, killing the techlab on MKP's starport would have almost certainly ended the game, preventing the production of further banshees and removing the option of cloak.

Yet, it was not so simple for MMA, as MKP had built his starport and factory in the corner of his base. With what could have been a short window of dominance, could MMA really afford to spend time walking around his opponent's base looking for a single building? (In retrospect, the answer is yes, he could have, and he would have won if he had done so.)

The way the situation played out, MKP made the awesome decision to send his banshees straight towards MMA's base. He made one attempt to save his rax, thought better of it, and just let MMA take it down while he waited for his hellion to complete. After his hellion was finished, he cleared MMA's units from his base with the help of some SCVs. It seemed like he lost a lot of SCVs in this effort, until you saw what MKP's banshees were doing to MMA.

Without a turret in place, MKP's banshee was doing terrible, terrible things to MMA's SCVs, and once cloak upgrade finished, to the marines as well. Though MMA had taken a secret gold base, it didn't matter. With just two barracks making marines, and stim upgrade nowhere near done, MMA had to GG out to 2 banshees, a marine, and some hellions.

MKP: [image loading] 4/5
Good crisis management. There was one small slip-up when he lost around 4 SCVs trying to repair his barracks, before he realized he didn't really need it that badly. The decision to attack instead of defending with banshees was great.

MMA: [image loading] 3/5
Good creative build, but could have played it better. It seemed like he was really banking on MKP to use his first banshee in defense, when you consider the super-late timing of his turret. He was up quite a few SCVs before the banshee arrived and started doing a number on his very lightly defended main.


Game Two: Metalopolis - [image loading] 3.5/5
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MKP > MMA

MKP warmed my heart by being the third player in five match days to use a marine timing build to punish a greedy terran who tried to tech AND expand. Meanwhile, MMA disappointed me by being the victim yet again.

Both players opened gasless 1 rax expand, but even then, you could tell MMA was being greedier. MKP made almost non-stop marines, which meant he had to build a second supply depot and get his command center a bit later, while MMA skipped some marines to get his command center before his 2nd supply.

MMA's follow-up was to get a second barracks, double gas, and quickly rush to banshees, while MKP got a single gas, went up to three barracks, and rushed for a quick combat shields upgrade. MMA sealed his fate by lifting his orbital and settling it down, dismissing the idea of a marine rush and skipping bunkers entirely. Damn, I thought his opponent's ID might have tipped him off.

MKP's marines ripped through MMA's SCVs and marines, forcing a lift off the orbital command. By the time MMA had enough forces to push down his ramp and retake his natural, MKP was already massively ahead (sadly, MMA's banshee didn't do too much). MKP aggressively went for the kill, and MMA was forced to GG out.

MKP: [image loading] 4/5
Not the COOLEST version of upgraded marines rush I've seen this week (polt's two medivac, 16 double upgrade marines wins), but it was still pretty sweet. Also, his aggression and attempts to finish the match quickly deserve applause.

MMA: [image loading] 1.5/5
Thanks for showing us why greed doesn't pay!



Game Three: Dual Sight -
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4/5
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MMA > MKP

MKP decided to do a greedy tech expand, forcing me to remove every good memory about him from my mind. He received karmic punishment as MMA did a pretty nice counter build order, going for a reaper and then fast expansion at his gold base. The reaper discovered the building CC and the reactor on MKP's barracks, giving him a pretty good idea of what MKP was doing.

MMA followed by going for blue flame hellions into cloaked banshees, while MKP went straight up the tech tree to cloaked banshees. The way this worked out was that MMA's hellions stopped MKP from mining at his natural expansion for a while, but at the same time MKP was doing some pretty good damage with his banshee in MMA's under-defended main. However, with mules dropping down at the gold base, MMA was not at a terrible disadvantage. Then, MMA's banshees went on to do a fair bit of damage in MKP's base, which meant the gains and losses evened out surprisingly closely.

MMA's plan was to go for a more marine and medivac heavy style, while MKP had a larger proportion of tanks mixed into his main army. Before MMA's infantry production fully kicked in, MKP found a window to attack with his tank advantage and forced MMA to lift his gold base to a safer, regular expansion. However, once the marine production did kick in, MMA began to make the case that there was a more suitable owner for the ID of 'MarineKing.'

His judgment was superb in one engagement where he determined he could wipe up MKP's marines quickly, focus down a few of of MKP's tanks, and then pick up his surviving red HP marines before they were killed by the tanks in the rear. That engagement cut MKP's tank numbers in half, bringing him level with MMA. When MKP went for an ill-advised attack minutes later, MMA once again attacked at critical time when MKP's siege tanks were not in position. After that engagement, MKP was behind in both tanks and marines. With a third base down at his natural, MMA looked to be in a commanding position.

Refusing to die a slow, suffocating death, MKP attempted a daring 5 dropship in MMA's main. However, it only ended up being an even unit trade, much less than MKP needed in that situation. Not being in a position to do much else, MKP ended up going for a base trade as his last option. And we all know how base-trades done with smaller armies and less bases go.

MKP:
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3/5
Loved his late game 5 medivac drop, which hit before MMA's resource advantage started to show. MKP KNEW he was gonna die eventually, and he preferred to take a big risk and die sooner than drag the game out and pray for a miracle.

MMA:
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4/5
Used marines excellently before tanks reached critical mass. Also, the cheeky gold expansion was a nice decision, as it allowed him to stay even during the early harassment exchanges.


Game Four: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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4/5
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MMA > MKP

MKP opened with a cute reactor barracks, fast factory into marine-hellion drop, while MMA did reaper expand into fast blue flame hellions. Blue flame was too much for MKP's drop, and he was forced to pull back and expand.

That would have been fine if he had built his orbital in his main and waited until he had a few tanks to move down, but instead he decided to expand directly to his natural with MARINES, when he had confirmed his opponent was making BLUE FLAME HELLIONS from a REACTOR. That went exactly like you'd expect, and MKP was forced to lift his expansion after losing a ton of SCVs.

MMA switched into pure mech and started pounding away at MKP's base from the low ground, which was responded to by the threat of a marine drop counter. It relieved the pressure on MKP for a second, but he was still facing a growing tank army and a resource disadvantage as MMA prepare to take his gold.

With marine-marauader mobility the only weapon remaining to him, MKP abused it magnificently. He threatened MMA's various bases, always managing to turn around and focus down any overly hasty tanks that tried to attack before the entire group could reposition. It caused some major headaches for MMA, but in the end he still had three bases including a gold, while MKP was only playing off his main and natural.

MKP put it all on the line with a base trade, where he out-performed MMA in every aspect. However, he only had a few marine to shoot at flying buildings, while MMA had vikings. Armies were cleaned up on both sides, but MMA had three orbitals left to drop mules against MKP's one. MKP GG'd out as viking landed to wipe out his remaining miners.

MKP:
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3.5/5
I'm okay with him making marines against stuff that can be microed against, but marine expanding against blue flame hellions, before you have neither stim nor shields? Come on! Still, his late game marauder movement was excellent. Shame he was at a disadvantage of his own making.

MMA:
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3.5/5
MKP's marauders made MMA's mech look absolutely silly. MKP played better for large portions of the game, but just couldn't overcome the early game disadvantage.


Game Five: Crevasse -
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3/5
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MMA > MKP

Since this was Crevasse, the only god-forsaken map that allows it, both Terrans opened with command center before barracks.

MMA had a similar plan to the last time he played TvT on Crevasse, which was to be greedy as possible and get tech as well. He rushed up to banshees and even got a THIRD orbital command inside his main for extra mule droppage. However, he actually learned something from getting totally destroyed by SuperNova's 20 combat shield marine rush five days ago (shame he couldn't have remembered that for the Metalopolis game!) and build two bunkers at his ramp.

Unfortunately for MKP, he had banked on MMA being forgetful and had gone for a combat shield marine rush of his own. After being thwarted by the bunkers he retreated back to his base and started a command center at his natural, around the same time MMA lifted his third CC and floated it to his own natural.

Marine drops were attempted by both players, but both were ineffectual. MKP came out worse for wear, not because he had taken more damage, but because he lost more units in his pointless drop.

With faster tech and more gas, MMA jumped ahead with the tank advantage and started setting up a containment position. MKP tried to circumvent this by going around a different Crevasse path, but made a horrible mistake by sieging up his tanks in range of high ground tanks he could not see. For some reason, MKP decided to stick around rather than run the hell away, which meant that MMA was able to just run up and pound him with a crapton of marines while his tanks supported from the cliff.

Having lost a bunch of troops, MKP couldn't do anything about MMA setting up within siege range of his natural, and was forced to float his CC away. The slow, wearing death process began for MKP, and he GG'd out minutes later.

MKP:
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2.5/5
A really foolish engagement to lose the game.

MMA:
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4/5
Absolutely ruthless play when he had the lead. Also he learned to build bunkers ^_^


Semi-Final Two: (T)PoltPrime.WE vs. (T)oGsTOP

Game One: Bel'Shir Beach -
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4/5
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Polt > Top

Polt opens with a creative reactor hellion expand into banshees. The hellions allow Polt to kill a lot of Top's marines as well as soften up SCVs, opening the way for his banshee to do a lot of damage. By the time Top is done holding, Polt is up 11 SCVs. After that huge early lead, Polt is able to keep it secure with some nice attacks to ensure that Top doesn't do something crazy like double expand to make up for his deficit (hey, it worked for MMA). Polt messes up one huge engagement though, that almost let Top back into the game, but Polt manages to hold off Top's continuing attack while counterattacking to take the win.

Polt:
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4/5 Very clever opening and he was good enough to not let Top get back in.

Top:
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4/5 Was barely able to hold Polt's opening efficiently and nearly came back a few times, showing the strength of his macro.


Game Two: Dual Sight -
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4/5
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Top > Polt

Polt again uses a creative opening, a reaper expand into three barracks marine with a very fast stim upgrade. Meanwhile Top goes for a banshee expand. After the openings are complete both players are pretty much even. Polt has his units positioned in the middle of the map, going for a marine stim timing, when blue flame hellions from Top hit Polt's bases and leave him with only 9 SCVs remaining. The marine timing does some damage, but still leaves Polt behind 20 SCVs. Top is able to keep attacking with blue flame hellions to take the game.

Top:
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5/5
Ingenious move to use his banshee to force expansion SCVs into the main where the blue flame hellions were

Polt:
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4/5 it was a neat timing that he was going for, but blue flame hellions are too good against marines.


Game Three: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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4/5
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Top > Polt

Both players open this game with a fast expand, but Top does a clever little marine blue flame hellion timing that would have killed Polt had he not built a bunker. As the game goes macro, Top goes for the recently popular mech style TvT, focusing on tank, hellion, viking, while MarineKingPrime Polt goes for the MarineKing style. However, Top's positioning is just too good to allow any counter attacking all game long.

The game goes super late, and Polt goes battlecruiser to try and break the tank. Polt stays a base behind Top the entire time, and due to that he never has a viking lead over Top. There are a few epic air to air battles, but Polt is never able to seriously threaten Top's mass viking with a BC-viking mixture. Polt has no way of exerting map control, and is forced to GG.

Polt:
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3/5 Wasn't quite active enough to pull off the MarineKing style

Top:
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5/5 Played the mech style near flawlessly all game long on one of the hardest maps to pull it off on.


Game Four: Terminus RE -
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4/5
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Polt > Top

The game starts off with some pro gardening tips from our favorite casting duo. Both players go one rax expand with Top going for a mech style and Polt a marine marauder tank style. A combination of harass and superior macro has Top with almost 30 more workers than Polt.

Top tries to do a huge hellion run by but it is denied doing no damage to Polt. Polt goes for a huge counter attack, and manages to pick off 5 out of position siege tanks, tons of workers, and plenty of hellions. After that counter attack, Polt has enough to just straight up attack Top's low tank numbers and take the game.

Polt:
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4/5

Top:
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4/5


Game Five: Crossfire SE -
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3/5
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Polt > Top

Polt does a banshee opener with cloak that puts him 11 SCVs ahead of his opponent right at the beginning of the game. TOP has a chance to do the same with his own banshee, but screws up massively by having his banshee grouped with his defending marines and having it uselessly return to defend his own base after having crossed half the map.

Polt continues with the harassment, and again gives himself a huge worker lead over his opponent, who is managing, through better macro, to keep almost catching back up. Just as Top is finally equalized with Polt in terms of SCVs, Polt gets a huge marine flank and is able to efficiently kill a tons of Top's marines and SCVs. After this engagement, Polt is able to do one final attack and take the game.

Polt:
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4/5
Great banshee harass but kept falling behind in workers despite the huge lead

Top:
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2/5
Top almost caught up to Polt several times, despite messing up the first 6 minutes so badly.



Semi-final interviews by PlayXP, translated by Phosgene




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by WaxAngel

Years ago, we thought that we had discovered Boxer's heir. His name Jung Myung Hoon aka 'Fantasy,' and he was a rising Terran star on Boxer's then team SKT1.

Though a few other prominent Terrans had played on Boxer's team (known over the years as Orion, 4U, and finally SKT1) since the early 2000's, there hadn't been a real need to find a successor while the Emperor was still a force to be reckoned with. But by 2008, a greatly deteriorated Boxer had gone into voluntary exile with the Korean Air Force's e-Sports team, leaving a massive spiritual void in hearts Brood War fans.

Though SKT1 was still one of Brood War's powerhouses with an abundance of talent and history, a large part of its identity was as 'Boxer's Team.' The idea of SKT1 as a formidable team with Boxer at its helm was such a deeply ingrained part of pro-gaming culture that it just felt wrong for things to be any different. And so, fans scrambled to find an heir to force into the royal line, anyone that would restore some semblance of order to the Brood War world.

Fantasy had even less in common with Boxer than his predecessors iloveoov and Midas (who were in their time, discussed as teammates and not heirs), but nonetheless he was shoe-horned in out of necessity. And while the so called "crown prince" proved to be an excellent player, his play style would always show that he was no Boxer (he actively tried to get around using marines, for God's sake!). Once Boxer left for SC II, the idea of succession died down for good, while Brood War fell into another sort of spiritual disarray.

In 2011, when we had stopped looking for an heir, he found us.

Moon Sung Won aka 'MMA' left the ranks of SKT1 to join Boxer's new SC II team, SlayerS. As part of team SlayerS, he immediately proved that he was their most valuable member by playing as the team's anchor in GSTL, defeating many other 'established' SC II pros and delivering two championships to (because SKT1 was always an 'ace by committee' team, Boxer was never their designated ace in team leagues. MMA's accomplishments as the SlayerS Ace are purely personal, no romanticizing here).

There isn't any forced belief, any looking aside while marines get bloodily killed by lurkers, or similar sorts of nonsense. This guy is so much like Boxer, he might as well be Boxer's mental imprint transferred to a younger body.

First, he's obsessed with drops to the point that it becoming a liability. Like Boxer, MMA goes about trying to medivac drop his Zerg opponents not just because it's a good tactic (it is), but because it's something that he can't help doing. Yes, he could use those extra 16 marines and two medivacs to just straight up crush his opponent in a fight, but it that wouldn't be MMA. Boxer knew that while winning was the most important thing, winning with an identity was almost as important. MMA has caught on.

Second, MMA makes instant, accurate marine decision. Everyone loves to compliment Boxer's amazing marine micro, but in large part it was an illusion caused by his incredible judgment. He could see lurkers start to burrow, and in a fraction of a second, know whether or not to engage. You can't hesitate in those situations, because getting caught in the middle ground between fight and flight means certain death.

The margin of error is even smaller against range 13 siege tanks, but MMA handles them perfectly. It looks risky when he charges his marines into a group of tanks beginning to siege up, but it's actually a foregone conclusion. MMA knew the outcome of the battle the moment his opponent pressed "E," and just followed with the logical decsion.

Third, even his character is eerily reminiscent of a young Boxer. Not many people remember this, but before Boxer became the well-groomed and even more well-spoken icon of e-Sports, he was one the shyest, soft-spoken pro-gamers out there. And despite his fame and success, Boxer never gave way to cynicism (no one's left more tears on stage).

While Slayers is trying to bring MMA up to speed on ceremonies and ways to be an engaging pro-gamer outside the game, at heart he's still a kid who's trying to come to terms with his fame. That much was transparent when he stood on the stage after winning the championship at MLG, trying to answer interview questions when the crowd broke into a chant of "MMA! MMA!" There, you could pinpoint the precise moment when all rational thought left his head, with only the raw emotion of the situation remaining.

So, what's left then for the heir apparent? Oh right, more championships.

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One, going on two.




I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.


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by Fionn

Every single time you want him to go down, he doesn't. You think he's about to get knocked out? He fights back. How many times will you have to bet against this guy until he changes your mind? Polt has made his first Grand Final and many of the Team Liquid faithful are looking at him like he doesn't belong. Who the hell does this guy think he is? He was supposed to lose in the first round! Losira was supposed to mop the floor with this guy and fight for the honor of winning the group against Alicia! How the hell did this guy, someone who was a laughing stock of the GSL months ago, get to the final?

There's thousands of reasons why you might hate Polt. Let's go through a few, shall we?

A. He trash talked Jinro months ago before their GSL match, saying that our Swedish Gorilla Terran got lucky by getting into the semifinals two seasons in a row. Polt then promptly got embarrassed by Jinro in their match.

B. He eliminated one of the most popular zergs, Losira, in the first round.

C. He knocked out Team Liquid's Huk in the next round with a resounding 2-0 victory, flexing his TvP muscles.

D. He fell down against the lovable Maka, but then made a comeback to knock him out in decisive fashion.

E. He rolled over one of the most popular protoss, and the only protoss left in the tournament, Alicia, in the most lopsided best-of-five series in GSL history that didn't involve TheBest.

F. He broke thousands of sad Korean fangirls' hearts by defeating TOP in the semifinals.

G. He has a freakishly long neck.

H. He gets to hug and touch MarineKing while you can't.

I. He might take away the OptimusPrime ID that many thought was destined to be MarineKing's.

J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.

K. He's also the owl in those Tootsie Pop commercials that steals the boy's candy and eats it in front of him.

Okay, okay, those last two might not be totally 100% factual, but you get the picture. A lot of people (not all, mind you) think that Polt is just another Inca in waiting. He got here just because of one strong match-up (TvP like Inca's PvP) and will get crushed in the final when he can't rely on that anymore.

While it is true that Polt's TvP is probably the best in the world (10-0 all-time in the GSL), he didn't get here just by beating protoss. Unlike his opponent, MMA, who got to the finals by only beating terran, Polt had to go through every single race. He took down one of the best zergs in the world, Losira, and two tough terrans in Maka and TOP. Of course he looked brilliant in his TvP, but his other two match-ups haven't been shabby at all. Nothing like Inca's horrendous PvZ that he showed us in the last final.

When you watch Polt play, you might not get out of your seat like when you watch MMA or MarineKing with the amazing builds they prepare, but you can tell the guy is smart. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's solid. His decision making is amazing, and he knows what to do in any situation you put him in. He knows how to counter these wonky builds that are thrown at him. He might not always win the battle, but lately, he's the one winning the wars.

MarineKing has been helping Polt for this final. Who better to be your main training partner than the guy who just faced your opponent a few days earlier in a series that could have went either way? The builds that MarineKing probably prepared for the finals if he got there, are now getting passed on to Polt. Can he show us that his bio play is as good as his teammate's? At times this tournament, especially against Maka, it looked like MarineKing was in the booth playing with the micro that Polt was showing.

There is one thing that Polt might have over the king of marines. Polt hasn't tilted. He's the same as MMA in that way. When Polt looked like he was down and out against TOP, losing a gigantic air battle in Game 3 where he went Battlecruisers, and going down 2-1 in the Bo5, a lot of people would have been shaken. Losing a long, intense game that went thirty minutes? Being one game from elimination? That would shake a lot of players. You could see it with MarineKing against MMA. When MMA started making his comeback, MarineKing looked like he was about to throw up.

Polt, instead of falling to the pressure, came back and won the next two games. Even down in Game 4, on the brink of elimination, he made a brilliant decision in sandwiching TOP's mech army with his marauders and checkmating him right there and then. After that, TOP was the one who tilted and let Polt almost kill his entire supply of SCV's with two banshees in the deciding game.

So why should Polt have any chance against MMA? The same MMA who swept MLG Columbus and took down MarineKing in one of the best comebacks in GSL history? He should get crushed! MMA's drops and macro will totally destroy him, right? Polt is a flash in the pan!

Look at Polt's record since Jinro embarrassed him all those months ago. Counting the Champions Trophy Tournaments (where he bested the highly regarded terran, TheStC, twice in both finals), he has an amazing record of 41 wins and 14 losses. Yes, you read that right. He's been on the hottest streak in SC2 for the longest time and it is only now people are realizing how good he is.

Hey, MMA is also on an incredible streak, going 32-9 in both MLG and GSL/GSTL and not dropping a match in that time since losing to Huk in the Up-and-Down matches a month ago. These two are currently the hottest players in the scene. Yeah, yeah, Nestea, MVP and MC might be the best players in the world, but these two are playing out of their minds at the moment. Together, their streaks would be 73 wins and only 23 losses between them. A fifty win difference? Heh, not too bad. Not Flash, but still good.

So when it comes down to it all, can Polt beat MMA? Can Polt become OptimusPrime? Is there an actual possibly that MMA doesn't win the GSL?

In my opinion? Yes, Polt has a good shot at taking this entire tournament and $100,000 prize. Neither player is invincible. In this tournament, it looked like MMA might get knocked out by Lyn in the first round, but MMA did his magic trick where he makes an epic comeback out of nowhere and went through to the next round. I thought Supernova was going to beat MMA in the second round, but Supernova stumbled and another comeback was completed. There are times when MMA looks like he's down and out, but he always rises up again to turn the tide. If Polt can exploit the weak early game play by MMA and not tilt when he makes his routine comeback, he'll win this series. Polt has the skills. Polt has the training partners to win this. He has the drive that he didn't have months ago. If MMA gets too over confident, he will lose. This won't be a walk in the park by any means.

Hey, Polt has been the underdog in almost all his matches this tournament. Look at Liquibet. Most of you thought he would get crushed by Losira, Huk, Alicia and TOP. Why stop betting against him now? Keep on wanting him to go way. This isn't just for himself anymore. This is revenge for taking away MarineKing's chance at getting his first title, MMA. This is for every fan of MarineKing who wanted to see him finally have his moment in the sun. You might have beaten MarineKing, but can you beat MarineKing and Polt as one? If Polt wins this, it'll be a team effort to take down The Son of Boxer and The Emperor, Lim Yo-Hwan.

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Haters gonna hate.


So the people who hate Polt, keep hating. The hate makes him stronger. It fuels him. When this final is over, we'll see who was right. Was it just luck and bad play by his opponents that got him here or was he the real deal? Will we see the rise of the true OptimusPrime or the Polt that was a laughing stock of the GSL?

Only time will tell, but one thing is for sure: I'll be watching. But will you?


P.S: You better watch or TheBest will haunt you in your dreams.

Strategies of the Tournament

TvT build orders and strategy trends, as understood through the games of the
Super Tournament


by WaxAngel


Bread and Butter Builds

One Barracks Expansions
[Barracks - Orbital - Command Center]

The "standard" build TvT at present. I would have called it the "gasless" expand,but there have been some variants (listed below) that include a refinery.

The most normal variant is to pump straight SCVs and marines until about 18 population, put down a CC, and immediately get two refineries. It allows for a very safe second orbital, as you can just hole up behind your wall-in against anything immediately dangerous, and once the danger is over you can simply float down to expand. Because double orbitals are so incredibly economically superior to single orbitals, a cheese rush has to do a massive amount of damage to really be worth it. It follows up nicely into anything off its strong economic basis, but has rather late tech as a drawback.

Despite its supposed status as the standard opener, fast expanding was actually slightly LESS popular than tech openings in the Super Tournament. I presume it's because it's been the most popular build on ladder for months, and by now everyone is very used to playing against it. It was the slight variations on this build that were more interesting.

Like, if you expect your opponent to do the normal 1 rax expand, how do you one up him? You get faster tech! So there were some variations that snuck in a refinery, like barracks - gas - orbital - CC, or one very strange instance of a barracks - gas - gas - orbital - CC build. Another version saw MMA try to squeeze in the CC even faster, cutting SCVs and marines at 16/18 population and quickly saving up for his CC.

Followed by:

  • Lotsa marine medivac tank
    The normal TvT army. The maximum amount of firepower you can cram into a small space. However, it was uncommon in the Super Tournament for players to go straight up FE and then directly start playing the macro game. Many players preferred to try some techy, harassing tactics before transitioning into standard macro.

  • Banshees
    With the threat of ravens, vikings, etc, going for late banshees against someone who's already teched tends to be a bad idea. But when the opponent is fast expanding as well, and you don't plan to attack soon (and don't expect to die soon, I should say), it's a pretty good option. Techlab and starport are all things that will be needed later anyway, so basically only the banshee itself is really being invested in.

    Unless the defender is really overloading on defense, banshees vs pre-stim marines is a pure micro battle, and plenty of progamers are confident that their micro is better than the opponent's. That opened up the Super Tournament's most popular mini-game "how many range 5 marines can range 6 banshee kill?" Though in the past, players prioritized SCV kills heavily, Super Tournament players seemed to know know how to exploit a low marine count better, and didn't mind going for marine kills on occasion.

    Of course, if you're spending too much of your gas on tech crap, there's a timing where your opponent might just kill you with an actual army (see MKP vs MMA game two).



Fast Tech
[Gas - Rax - Factory // Rax - Gas - Factory]

One of the more interesting points this tournament was that Gas - Rax became the more popular build for going factory tech or above, overshadowing the previous standard of Rax - Gas. With players doing more and more 1 rax - fast tech/expansion variants, it was an easy decision for players to be one marine behind and have a faster factory instead.

Given the tendency towards passive early game play, some players opted to cut significant amounts of marines with this already low-defense build, if they thought their scouting indicated a lack of aggression. Of course, they were not always correct, and occasionally 1 rax marines + hellions and other such early pressure proved to be trouble for excessively greedy techers.

Though there were a few 1/1/1 all-ins, most of the time the tech builds were followed up by a fast expansion. In many cases, the techer did enough early damage that by the time his expansion was complete, the game was in a very even state.

Followed by:

  • Banshees
    Aggressive harass was the trend during the Super Tournament, with banshees from both players being a common sight. Until players start over-committing on defense, going for flying, ranged DTs will continue to be a TvT mainstay. Since banshee vs banshee is pretty much a pure micro and multitasking duel, it's not surprising that highly skilled players who are confident in their skills keep steering games this way.

  • Blue Flame Hellion
    Automatically punished anyone who rolled the dice and decided to play risky with only early marines as cover. Even progamers make blind, intuition based moves on occasion. Gave map control until the opponent had something better than regular marines, which was sometimes a very long time given the current trends.

    Followed by:

    • Banshees
      Combined with banshees and marines, blue flame hellions offer a pretty interesting 1/1/1 attack option that still transitions into expand pretty well.

    • Drop
      This one didn't work so well this tournament, as progamers were all well prepared. Perhaps the players who used this build didn't mask it well enough?

    • Mech
      One base blue-flame expand seemed to be the most popular way to setup a mech transition.

      And as long as we're talking about mech... let's talk about mech.

      Mech was surprisingly popular this tournament, though it didn't clear a 50% win rate. Besides MMA, none of the "top" terran players used this strategy. These elite players seemed more than happy to pick apart mech's weaknesses with a mobile marauder-medivac force. The problem with mech, for being so goddamn powerful when it's actually set, is that it gets totally, absolutely obliterated by marauders when it's not. It seemed that the best players with tip-top mechanics were always on top of when and where their opponents' tanks were sieged, and reacted to mistakes very quickly.

      Against those players, you couldn't just unsiege half your army, move a screen away and re-siege. You had to siege un-siege, siege un-siege leapfrog your tanks the entire distance, or else 8 marauders were going to kill two exposed tanks and leave. And when that was forced upon mech, it became even MORE agonizingly slow.

      Still worth it, for the ability to kill your enemy's army in a single volley.



Less Common but not Particularly Interesting Builds

Reaper Expand
For players who just couldn't live without knowing what their opponent was doing. The last time someone actually got hurt by a reaper in TvT was when Nada went two barracks reaper (one in proxy position) during the previous Code-S season. One rax reaper expand is purely a scouting build at this point.

DeMuslim's lame reactor barracks + hellion medivac elevator
MKP, 2010 called and said it wanted its build back.

Two Rax cheese into expand
With so many Terrans fast expanding, this might seem similar to playing two rax vs Zerg. However, you absolutely must do damage with two rax versus an expanding Terran or you'll get economically overrun very quickly.

Going CC before rax on Crevasse
When both players did this (happened twice), all it did was add another 1~2 minutes to the time it would take for the players to actually start doing interesting things. The problem with Crevasse is that its easy expansions aren't even necessary anymore to make games more macro-centric, because the game has naturally moved towards FEing and macro since the map was created.


Less Common but More Interesting Builds

Two rax ghost rush
Again, exploiting the fact that right now people are relying too hard on plain marines for defense and skipping bunkers. Like any other prolonged one base TvT build, you better do a lot of damage fast.

Any shield marine rush against banshees
A normal looking expand build that suddenly rushes into getting a massive amount of combat shield marines against a careless banshee expander. Now that this strategy has been used four times, I guess players will start building precautionary bunkers, or at least scout harder.

11 rax - 11 gas - slightly faster banshee
An exceptionally cute build that tries to exploit the fact that everyone knows the timing on the standard banshee builds, and prepares their turret timings and marine counts based on that. By cutting SCVs, this build LOOKS like a 12 rax 13 gas banshee build, but pushes the banshee ahead by a small but significant window (30 seconds or so). This build actually results in a pretty significant economic hit to oneself, but the wager is that getting in before the opponent is ready makes it well worth it. Note, this is actually slower than a gas first build, but gets a scout deny marine faster and looks very similar to a 12 rax 13 gas build.

Rainbow's blue flame hellion and thor drop
This didn't actually DO anything, but it was by far the coolest way to set up a mech transition.

Mech in general Vs. Anti-mech marauder-medivac-tank
Something that's just so fun for the sheer contrast. One is immobile, long ranged, impregnable when set. The other is quick and fragile, but can pack a serious punch when it finds a weakness. The marauder player might look better by virtue of having to be active and moving around, but it's more of a fine dance between two partners who have to know their roles well.


Hopefully, TvT will get some more love.
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Clannadxd
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Last Edited: 2011-06-16 21:56:43
June 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#2
truly awesome <3 TvT

edit: H. He gets to hug and touch MarineKing while you can't.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#3
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?
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Profile Joined March 2011
Ukraine90 Posts
June 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#4
i really hope mma wins. ♥
Waxangel
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United States33302 Posts
June 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#5
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?

It's been... 4 days?
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Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
June 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#6
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?


Aw boo hoo the semis happened like 5 days ago. If you're not gonna bother following the GSL, why do you even care about spoilers? There's almost nothing I hate most in the forums than people who whine about spoilers and contribute nothing else.

Anyway, great writeup, I haven't even noticed Polt's neck before. I really think that this will be one of the more less-lopsided GSL finals ever and I'm excited.
Kracklings
Profile Joined March 2011
United States116 Posts
June 16 2011 21:39 GMT
#7
semis were so long ago dude, either catch up in a reasonable fashion or don't but its a bit late to be complaining about this shit. Youve only had like 5 days (not sure) since the semis
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 16 2011 21:40 GMT
#8
On June 17 2011 06:29 Waxangel wrote:
Mech in general Vs. Anti-mech marauder-medivac-tank
Something that's just so fun for the sheer contrast. One is immobile, long ranged, impregnable when set. The other is quick and fragile, but can pack a serious punch when it finds a weakness. The marauder player might look better by virtue of having to be active and moving around, but it's more of a fine dance between two partners who have to know their roles well.
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Hopefully, TvT will get some more love.

I heard that Cella was trying to get a GoOdy's skype number....
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 21:41:55
June 16 2011 21:40 GMT
#9
On June 17 2011 06:38 Jtn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?


Aw boo hoo the semis happened like 5 days ago. If you're not gonna bother following the GSL, why do you even care about spoilers? There's almost nothing I hate most in the forums than people who whine about spoilers and contribute nothing else.

Anyway, great writeup, I haven't even noticed Polt's neck before. I really think that this will be one of the more less-lopsided GSL finals ever and I'm excited.



It's funny because I was watching Polt vs TOP (already did watch MKP vs MMA) in another tab, when I opened TL and saw that graphic. I had just finished the first game. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are behind in "catching up" on the GSL. And your evidence that I contribute nothing to the forums besides whining about spoilers is very compelling.
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3327 Posts
June 16 2011 21:41 GMT
#10
TvT is the best Match-up to watch after TvZ, which gets #1.
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United States3584 Posts
June 16 2011 21:43 GMT
#11
Gonna be cheering for my man MMA.
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United States52 Posts
June 16 2011 21:43 GMT
#12
MMA FIGHTING
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 21:45:10
June 16 2011 21:44 GMT
#13
Great write-up. I also appreciate the use of Georgia.

Doodsmack: The games happened like a week ago, there's a practical statute of limitations on these things 'cause the news teams have to do their jobs.
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Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
June 16 2011 21:45 GMT
#14
Excellent write up, I also believe that polt isn't really getting the credit he does deserve. That still doesn't mean i like him, gogo mma.
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
June 16 2011 21:46 GMT
#15
Hmmm, I read most of it .... and what I'm left with is my memories of Midas.I love that guy^^
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
June 16 2011 21:46 GMT
#16
Nice writeup!
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Dayrlan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States248 Posts
June 16 2011 21:47 GMT
#17
Great preview! MMA fighting!!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 16 2011 21:48 GMT
#18
Thanks for the hype feed!

SlayerS_MMA hwaiting!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 16 2011 21:49 GMT
#19
Second, MMA makes instant, accurate marine decision.

This stood out the most to me. (I even got temp-banned posting an image macro in response ~_^)

In his TvZ vs July on Metalo, when he has 10 marines and 2 reapers vs 20 lings.

Go watch that MLG rep, that guy is a fucking legend already, and he's gonna stay the best TvZ player for 2011 at least.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 16 2011 21:51 GMT
#20
Awesome write-up! The build section is especially interesting!
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Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
June 16 2011 21:51 GMT
#21
Rooting for MMA, but I'd be ok if Polt wins too.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
June 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#22
Excellent write-up. Go MMA!
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cpmoney
Profile Joined September 2010
34 Posts
June 16 2011 21:55 GMT
#23
Spoiler right on the front page (the player names...)? Not everyone is fully caught up... :/
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
June 16 2011 21:57 GMT
#24
Probably one of the best write ups i'll ever see.

Kudos!
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
June 16 2011 21:57 GMT
#25
GO POLT!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
June 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#26
It's interesting how your match ratings compare to the ones in the thread. In the thread, MKP vs MMA was far more recommended than TOP vs Polt. Do you think it is because the popularity of the players involved influences the recommendations more than how good the actual matches were?
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 22:04:13
June 16 2011 22:01 GMT
#27
Congratz fionn for writing or TL, loved your ro8 and ro4 hype articles.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33302 Posts
June 16 2011 22:02 GMT
#28
On June 17 2011 06:59 redFF wrote:
It's interesting how your match ratings compare to the ones in the thread. In the thread, MKP vs MMA was far more recommended than TOP vs Polt. Do you think it is because the popularity of the players involved influences the recommendations more than how good the actual matches were?


ah it's because different writers rated the matches

i'm super stingy, confusedcrib is more generous
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 16 2011 22:03 GMT
#29
I'm ok with different people writing the wrap-ups, and ok with different emphasis placed on games of different caliber, but the write-up of the second semifinal is downright lackluster. The game had gigantic air battles and a ton of cattlebruisers (!!!), and gets less interest than the openers of any of the MMA v MKP games.
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Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
June 16 2011 22:04 GMT
#30
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?


The final is barely a day away. If you haven't caught up by now you probably never were.



Fantastic write up on the strategies, I really enjoyed that part
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 16 2011 22:05 GMT
#31
I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.


Wow, genius...would have loved to read it.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 16 2011 22:06 GMT
#32
Awesome write-up! Hopefully, I can sneak watching the finals while I'm at my parent's house.

I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.

Great analogy, but who would be analogous to Fredo?
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godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 22:09:32
June 16 2011 22:07 GMT
#33
On June 17 2011 06:55 cpmoney wrote:
Spoiler right on the front page (the player names...)? Not everyone is fully caught up... :/

lol, its nice the TL already gave you couple of days as a grace period to catch up, don't whine. Can you name any sports/news website which has does not allow spoilers on their website? just imagine, the front page of the guardian football selection after the champions league finals "A team won and another team did not, click to view spoilers."
The whole world is not going to wait for you to catch up.
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
June 16 2011 22:07 GMT
#34
On June 17 2011 06:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:38 Jtn wrote:
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?


Aw boo hoo the semis happened like 5 days ago. If you're not gonna bother following the GSL, why do you even care about spoilers? There's almost nothing I hate most in the forums than people who whine about spoilers and contribute nothing else.

Anyway, great writeup, I haven't even noticed Polt's neck before. I really think that this will be one of the more less-lopsided GSL finals ever and I'm excited.



It's funny because I was watching Polt vs TOP (already did watch MKP vs MMA) in another tab, when I opened TL and saw that graphic. I had just finished the first game. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are behind in "catching up" on the GSL. And your evidence that I contribute nothing to the forums besides whining about spoilers is very compelling.


Then every single thread on TL should jsut be titled [Spoiler] because it might spoil something for someone, somewhere.

Whatever, back on topic, great post there guys, really liked the preview. Gotta say I'm rooting for MMA just because of his MLG performance, although I would be ok if Polt wins too. Just wanna see some great games.
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 16 2011 22:07 GMT
#35
On June 17 2011 07:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
Awesome write-up! Hopefully, I can sneak watching the finals while I'm at my parent's house.

Show nested quote +
I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.

Great analogy, but who would be analogous to Fredo?

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em0rej007
Profile Joined May 2011
France36 Posts
June 16 2011 22:10 GMT
#36
SlayerS_MMA hwaiting !!!

And nice preview :-)
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Profile Joined January 2011
United States29 Posts
June 16 2011 22:11 GMT
#37
MMA should win in convincing fashion
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MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 16 2011 22:12 GMT
#38
I'd rather have Polt win, but all I truly want is a good finals from the GSL for once
Oh.Canada
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada139 Posts
June 16 2011 22:13 GMT
#39
GOGOG MMA! Thanks for a great write up aswell
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Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil14 Posts
June 16 2011 22:14 GMT
#40
"MMA, MMA, MMA, MMA"

I bet he's waiting to hear this again!
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
June 16 2011 22:14 GMT
#41
On June 17 2011 07:12 MechKing wrote:
I'd rather have Polt win, but all I truly want is a good finals from the GSL for once

And at the end MMA wins 4-0!
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Bubbas
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden76 Posts
June 16 2011 22:15 GMT
#42
Polt hwaiting!
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
June 16 2011 22:16 GMT
#43
I loved "Hate Me Now" by Fionn. It pretty much said what everyone is thinking: Polt has been the underdog and has fewer fans than most; however, it took that concept and made it into much more than most could.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 16 2011 22:16 GMT
#44
On June 17 2011 07:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
Awesome write-up! Hopefully, I can sneak watching the finals while I'm at my parent's house.

Show nested quote +
I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.

Great analogy, but who would be analogous to Fredo?


Midas?
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aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
June 16 2011 22:16 GMT
#45
Wow, I never noticed Polt's freakishly long neck until now. That turtleneck sweater of his doesn't even reach his chin...
Mip
Profile Joined June 2010
United States63 Posts
June 16 2011 22:18 GMT
#46
MMA has been so fun to watch, hope he delivers for me. Also, I hope for a more exciting finals than last GSL. It's TvT, it'll at least be longer lolol.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 16 2011 22:26 GMT
#47
What a godawful finals, at least name-recognition wise. Ironically I think it's gonna be the most interesting to watch though.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 16 2011 22:29 GMT
#48
You might have beaten MarineKing, but can you beat MarineKing and Polt as one?


Hardly the strongest argument considering that MMA is in by and far the most preparation-oriented team with the strongest organization and leadership in Starcraft 2. =)

On a more general note, I'm really scared for MMA, much more so than if he were facing mvp or NesTea. Those would be glamorous finals, with a lot of hype, a lot easier mentally for MMA. Instead he plays in the finals where the fans worldwide all have their eyes on him and want - expect - him to win.

It would be such a huge momentum break if he lost now. I feel horrible even thinking about it.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 16 2011 22:30 GMT
#49
On June 17 2011 07:16 DeltruS wrote:
I loved "Hate Me Now" by Fionn. It pretty much said what everyone is thinking: Polt has been the underdog and has fewer fans than most; however, it took that concept and made it into much more than most could.


People are so odd too. Polt is just so freaking solid. How can people not love how he is just a rock. He doesn't try be fancy and flop on himself. He just goes with the "I'll play my solid game without making mistakes and if you make a mistake I'll be there". It's lovely to see a solid player. In a way you can look at a guy like Nada and see a similar trait.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
June 16 2011 22:34 GMT
#50
On June 17 2011 07:30 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 07:16 DeltruS wrote:
I loved "Hate Me Now" by Fionn. It pretty much said what everyone is thinking: Polt has been the underdog and has fewer fans than most; however, it took that concept and made it into much more than most could.


People are so odd too. Polt is just so freaking solid. How can people not love how he is just a rock. He doesn't try be fancy and flop on himself. He just goes with the "I'll play my solid game without making mistakes and if you make a mistake I'll be there". It's lovely to see a solid player. In a way you can look at a guy like Nada and see a similar trait.


Yeah but just being solid doesn't compare to MMA. A guy who looks like he gets behind on purpose just to rub a win in your face after he comes back from 50+ food deficit. A guy who drops even with mutalisk out and still gets shit done.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
June 16 2011 22:35 GMT
#51
MMA got this will be so epic
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TripleCow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States240 Posts
June 16 2011 22:35 GMT
#52
On June 17 2011 07:26 mierin wrote:
What a godawful finals, at least name-recognition wise. Ironically I think it's gonna be the most interesting to watch though.


How do you consider MMA to be "godawful" when it comes to name recognition? MMA is the hero of the GSTL and just won MLG for fuck's sake. Polt has also been around for quite a while as well.
Tyler: "I only needed one probe to take down IdrA. I had to upgrade to a zealot for Strelok."
Gumbos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada55 Posts
June 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#53
MMA ftw...what a beast of a terran he is!
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
June 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#54
This was really well done guys kudos! i usually never read these hype threads and shit but damn... such an interesting read!

especially the build section...very well done
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
June 16 2011 22:41 GMT
#55
Hope Polt wins just so people can shut up about him being bad in the LR threads...
tehguy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States41 Posts
June 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#56
It's great to see the SC2 writing and coverage coming up to par with the BW writing and coverage. Great job guys.
I like Starcraft
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#57
On June 17 2011 07:34 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 07:30 Numy wrote:
On June 17 2011 07:16 DeltruS wrote:
I loved "Hate Me Now" by Fionn. It pretty much said what everyone is thinking: Polt has been the underdog and has fewer fans than most; however, it took that concept and made it into much more than most could.


People are so odd too. Polt is just so freaking solid. How can people not love how he is just a rock. He doesn't try be fancy and flop on himself. He just goes with the "I'll play my solid game without making mistakes and if you make a mistake I'll be there". It's lovely to see a solid player. In a way you can look at a guy like Nada and see a similar trait.


Yeah but just being solid doesn't compare to MMA. A guy who looks like he gets behind on purpose just to rub a win in your face after he comes back from 50+ food deficit. A guy who drops even with mutalisk out and still gets shit done.


Hey I'm not trying to say who will win. Just saying how silly people are to just care about flashy names and flashy strats instead of some solid shit.

Seems being a big name is more important than playing like a boss! Although MMA does both oO
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 16 2011 22:45 GMT
#58
I'm expecting a 4-0 to MMA, that guy is just too good at the moment. Hopefully I am wrong and it's not too one-sided, MMA to take the win though.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 16 2011 22:50 GMT
#59
On June 17 2011 06:29 Waxangel wrote:
Together, their streaks would be 73 wins and only 23 losses between them. A fifty win difference? Heh, not too bad. Not Flash, but still good.


The funny thing is...

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=9&from_day=1&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=15&action=Update

Haha. Flash's record over the past 9 and 1/2 months=75 and 23. Tail end of his last OSL win and including his MSL win just last week.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
June 16 2011 22:54 GMT
#60
polt 4eva yo

everlasting fan here
Osh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States48 Posts
June 16 2011 23:00 GMT
#61
I was immersed reading this article. What really stimmed me was "Boxer knew that while winning was the most important thing, winning with an identity was almost as important".

Thank you Waxangel!
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
June 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#62
I've forgiven Polt for the insults towards Jinro but his freakishly long neck still pisses me off to no end.

On a serious note, I just hope we finally have a final that is worthy of being a final! I hope MMA wins but I'm hoping Polt can give him a good run for his money.
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
.Mthex-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States168 Posts
June 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#63
GOOOO MMA!!!!
"If you tricked him, then he is tricked" - Artosis
ZUR1CH
Profile Joined February 2011
United States108 Posts
June 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#64
MMA FIGHTING!
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
June 16 2011 23:11 GMT
#65
So exited! It has potential to a great final for once. I really hope Polt can live up to all the hype I have build up towards him doing this tournament

Polt Fighting!
anthraxalfa
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 23:22:20
June 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#66
I approve of the TheBest bashing in the OP.

Also, MMA is too handsome to lose!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
June 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#67
I don't know if people remember, but during the group ceremony for the last code S, there was something that truly stood out. I remember every pro gamer saying "I want to avoid Protoss", and picked a Terran or a Zerg, leading to the group of TvTvTvT and all that. I remember Huk being picked last as every single Protoss was feared by the pro gamers. Tthere was only one person who no one picked, and everyone was really confused.

Poltprime. For someone many considered really mediocre, the viewers of the LR thread were surprised Polt wasn't picked early and that he was being left with the feared pro tosses. The signs were there that Polt was not a joke, no one noticed.
joeking2
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
June 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#68
great article MMA Fighting!!!
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 16 2011 23:21 GMT
#69
very nice writeup, I just wish you wouldnt of spoiled it in huge letters on the main page. I understand most people are caught up with the games, but other people, myself included havent gotten that far when watching the VODS, and it has now been spoiled My own fault I guess.
Osh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States48 Posts
June 16 2011 23:24 GMT
#70
The factor of who won may be spoiled but the great play is still there for you to enjoy!
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 23:29:14
June 16 2011 23:28 GMT
#71
oh, what the banner. i havnt seen the semi's yet...i guess i know who wins now. (not that it matters much)
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isospeedrix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States215 Posts
June 16 2011 23:31 GMT
#72
Polt will go 3-0 against MMA, leaving him behind. MMA then goes in to super saiyan mode and comes back 4-0 to win it 4-3.
http://www.youtube.com/isospeedrix
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
June 16 2011 23:32 GMT
#73
Wow, so MMA just had all TvT this entire tournament? I did not even notice. Honestly, that is kinda lame. I think just because of that I would much rather Polt win. I get that it is not up to MMA who he faces, but it's just kinda disappointing.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 16 2011 23:34 GMT
#74
Great write-up. Loved the reasons not to like Polt and the builds to look for too. Thanks.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
GT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)141 Posts
June 16 2011 23:34 GMT
#75
polt is in the finals?!?! WHAT THE FUCK? WIN IT POLTTTTTTTTTT
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 23:36:08
June 16 2011 23:35 GMT
#76
On June 17 2011 08:31 isospeedrix wrote:
Polt will go 3-0 against MMA, leaving him behind. MMA then goes in to super saiyan mode and comes back 4-0 to win it 4-3.


Totally agreee !


MMA Fighting ! !
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
rexob
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden202 Posts
June 16 2011 23:36 GMT
#77
one of the more interesting mirrors, if not the most.
but it still is a mirror
it's a good day to die
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 16 2011 23:37 GMT
#78
On June 17 2011 08:32 flowSthead wrote:
Wow, so MMA just had all TvT this entire tournament? I did not even notice. Honestly, that is kinda lame. I think just because of that I would much rather Polt win. I get that it is not up to MMA who he faces, but it's just kinda disappointing.

Well, 45% of all the tournament was Terran (a percentage that increased each round of the tournament), so MMA's schedule was fairly representative.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
June 16 2011 23:39 GMT
#79
I hope Polt is not another Inca/MKP/July/Rain/Rainbow.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
June 16 2011 23:42 GMT
#80
H. He gets to hug and touch MarineKing while you can't.

I. He might take away the OptimusPrime ID that many thought was destined to be MarineKing's.

J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.


That freaking bastard !!!
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 16 2011 23:43 GMT
#81
On June 17 2011 08:31 isospeedrix wrote:
Polt will go 3-0 against MMA, leaving him behind. MMA then goes in to super saiyan mode and comes back 4-0 to win it 4-3.

Which is why I'm especially excited for these finals.

MMA has a tendency to win when he is one game away from losing, and nothing is more exciting than a close series. I'm looking forward to a 7-game slugfest.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
June 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#82
I wish MKP and MMA were on the other side of the bracket, seems like a lot of the semis should have been the finals. I feel MMA is just gonna destroy polt.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 02:55:47
June 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#83
Let's hope this finals is a good one.

Also why do people complain about the spoilers when the title itself says its a finals preview...

Edit: Nevermind, I notice it now.
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
June 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#84
Awesome write up wax! =D TL wouldn't be the same with out you guys <333 =D
Tahts halo dont worry
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
June 16 2011 23:47 GMT
#85
On June 17 2011 06:29 Waxangel wrote:

H. He gets to hug and touch MarineKing while you can't.

I. He might take away the OptimusPrime ID that many thought was destined to be MarineKing's.




These two, I still hope he wins though.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
June 16 2011 23:51 GMT
#86
One cool thing about TVT: Even when it's lopsided, the games won't end in <10 minutes! :D
BradenKuntz
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada59 Posts
June 16 2011 23:54 GMT
#87
Now that NaDa, MarineKing and TOP are all out, I don't know who to cheer for...
Regardless, still gonna be an amazing final. Good luck to both!!!
nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
June 16 2011 23:54 GMT
#88
I hope its a 4-2 or 4-3 close series.

No more of this 4-1 4-0 slaughter bullshit
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
June 16 2011 23:59 GMT
#89
I'm not going to lie, I've been rooting against Polt in a lot of his matches, but I still believe that he's earned his spot in the finals. He's played very well so far, should make for a great final against MMA. Great write up!
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 16 2011 23:59 GMT
#90
On June 17 2011 08:47 Meteora.GB wrote:
Let's hope this finals is a good one.

Also why do people complain about the spoilers when the title itself says its a finals preview...


People are not complaining about clicking this article and then seeing it spoiled. They are complaining about it being on the front page in big letters, so as soon as you goto teamliquid its the first thing your eyes are staring at on the main page. That is all.
rugrat
Profile Joined October 2010
United States15 Posts
June 17 2011 00:09 GMT
#91
for the record, i totally understood the Godfather reference...
Quantum617
Profile Joined June 2011
United States37 Posts
June 17 2011 00:19 GMT
#92
TvT is one of my favorite matchups in SC2 so far. Here's to a good finals!
-Master's Zerg. Go Celtics!
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:27:04
June 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#93
On June 17 2011 09:09 rugrat wrote:
for the record, i totally understood the Godfather reference...


Well, the reference contains a hidden assumption (or not so hidden) that BW is fading into the background in Korea, which is patently not true at the moment - and while the scene isn't growing like SC2, SC2 isn't all that successful in Korea either, and still far from BW's status. Another obvious difference: Fantasy is actually almost 3 years younger than MMA, and just won the most recent OSL. So really, I don't understand the Sonny/Michael analogies at all.

On topic: well written article, and GO POLT!!!!
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
June 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#94
I really love MMA, but I can't resist to pick the dark horse.
GO GO GO Polt !

I'm hyped !! hoping for ggs !
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:28:50
June 17 2011 00:28 GMT
#95
Guys this is going to be a Proxy final. It's truly BoxeR vs. Marineking, the very same match-up that NesTea stole from us Season 2.

Also, please Polt win
MKP||TSL
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
June 17 2011 00:34 GMT
#96
I actually bet on Polt. Whenever someone is an underdog in a hyped match, I normally never bet
(nor cheer) on the underdog, but this time I will get them liquibet points!

MMA fighting~
really?
DontSpoilGSL
Profile Joined June 2011
2 Posts
June 17 2011 00:34 GMT
#97
Dude WTF? I respected all of the tl forumers, but I seriously hate you... my respect is gone and I will never visit again. Isn't this against forum/posting rules??? Please bann this guy or change the title page so that other people won't get spoiled by this douech bag.
WHY YOU SPOIL GSL, NEWB?
qwazar
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia45 Posts
June 17 2011 00:45 GMT
#98
On June 17 2011 09:34 DontSpoilGSL wrote:
Dude WTF? I respected all of the tl forumers, but I seriously hate you... my respect is gone and I will never visit again. Isn't this against forum/posting rules??? Please bann this guy or change the title page so that other people won't get spoiled by this douech bag.


The semis were 4 days ago. The finals are tomorrow. I'm sure there are legitimate reasons that you haven't watched the semis yet but no one has any sympathy for you and no one wants you here.

It's like if you are reading today's newspaper and the headlines are 'Local Sports Team Get to Grand Finals, 4 Days Ago'. Seriously, stop making yourself look bad.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#99
This is what happens when you introduce the "no spoilers" culture on the forums. It's a slippery slope, the censorship requests only get worse. =p

The world won't stop turning because someone didn't watch the semifinals several days ago.
Verror
Profile Joined March 2011
261 Posts
June 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#100
With 1 day left b4 the finals, you're mad about finding out whos in it?

?_?

On topic, poor Polt - I feel bad that main point the article manages to get across is "boy, TL sure hates this guy!"

sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
June 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#101
Every final except for MKP v NesTea has been a one sided beat down... some of them have clearly revealed that one person doesn't belong (sorry Inca and Rain) on the same stage... although i can see (frighteningly) Polt taking this, i hope MMA wins without racking our nerves... I'm a P and there' few T's that I respect... so please MMA do your best to make this tourney worthy of "Super"...
Stormbringer!!!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:49:52
June 17 2011 00:49 GMT
#102
On June 17 2011 09:25 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 09:09 rugrat wrote:
for the record, i totally understood the Godfather reference...


Well, the reference contains a hidden assumption (or not so hidden) that BW is fading into the background in Korea, which is patently not true at the moment - and while the scene isn't growing like SC2, SC2 isn't all that successful in Korea either, and still far from BW's status. Another obvious difference: Fantasy is actually almost 3 years younger than MMA, and just won the most recent OSL. So really, I don't understand the Sonny/Michael analogies at all.

On topic: well written article, and GO POLT!!!!


It's way deeper than what you listed. If you read the article it's basically saying while Fantasy might hold the reigns(Sonny) and be the muscle(OSL/BW) he isn't like his father(Boxer). Meanwhile there's this new face(MMA) on the block whole is like his father and could potentially take over the reigns. Disregard physical age and actual scenes and just look at the symbolism.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:59:17
June 17 2011 00:57 GMT
#103
On June 17 2011 09:49 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 09:25 Qaatar wrote:
On June 17 2011 09:09 rugrat wrote:
for the record, i totally understood the Godfather reference...


Well, the reference contains a hidden assumption (or not so hidden) that BW is fading into the background in Korea, which is patently not true at the moment - and while the scene isn't growing like SC2, SC2 isn't all that successful in Korea either, and still far from BW's status. Another obvious difference: Fantasy is actually almost 3 years younger than MMA, and just won the most recent OSL. So really, I don't understand the Sonny/Michael analogies at all.

On topic: well written article, and GO POLT!!!!


It's way deeper than what you listed. If you read the article it's basically saying while Fantasy might hold the reigns(Sonny) and be the muscle(OSL/BW) he isn't like his father(Boxer). Meanwhile there's this new face(MMA) on the block whole is like his father and could potentially take over the reigns. Disregard physical age and actual scenes and just look at the symbolism.


But, that's my problem with the analogy. On what level are we assuming that MMA can take over the reigns, when we're comparing two different games in two different scenes, where the scene Sonny/Fantasy is in has shown no signs of slowing down? Sure, in a few years, such an analogy might be prudent and accurate, but when we reach that point, who knows how successful MMA will be?

Anyways, I understand the bigger picture with the analogy, but was just a little puzzled by the fact that MMA has a long way to go before becoming "Michael," and Fantasy certainly isn't going to get metaphorically gunned down any time soon either. This is basically you guys looking at the first hour of Godfather, while I skipped ahead and viewed the first two movies.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
June 17 2011 00:58 GMT
#104
awesome thread, love tvt and love the players here. didn't realize polt had such a dominating record but i knew he was good. how could someone who so easily demolishes protoss NOT be good. if I could play even half as good as he does in tvp I'd be a very very happy terran.

MMA FIGHTING though. SlayerS fanboi right hurr.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
June 17 2011 00:59 GMT
#105
while i love the Boxer/MMA writeup, i can't help but point out that you skipped out on Oov and went straight to Fantasy to describe his heirs.
a little dab will do ya
jimmydu444
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 01:15:29
June 17 2011 01:00 GMT
#106
In PoltPrime I trust. It is about time that a warcraft 3 player show the rest of the world that we too can triumph over broodwar players. And for crying out loud, this guy has to balance his programing career with that of his university schedules at the prestigious Seoul University.

Here's to the hope of Warcraft 3 players in Starcraft 2 everywhere. Here's to the high achieving Professional gamer who also excels academically at the highest level. Here's to the alpha-nerd Poltprime!

I BELIEVE!.
I believe in Sets, The Rationals, LQG and PoltPrime.WE
TripleCow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States240 Posts
June 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#107
On June 17 2011 09:34 DontSpoilGSL wrote:
Dude WTF? I respected all of the tl forumers, but I seriously hate you... my respect is gone and I will never visit again. Isn't this against forum/posting rules??? Please bann this guy or change the title page so that other people won't get spoiled by this douech bag.


Your troll-fu is weak. Take your shitty troll account with you.
Tyler: "I only needed one probe to take down IdrA. I had to upgrade to a zealot for Strelok."
Bawert
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16 Posts
June 17 2011 01:05 GMT
#108
I would feel so bad if Polt won a tourney befor MKP, so I'm actually rooting for The Heir
iinsom
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia339 Posts
June 17 2011 01:11 GMT
#109
Lets go MMA, should be a sick series regardless

Im hoping 4-2 MMA
UnceL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland73 Posts
June 17 2011 01:13 GMT
#110
very interesting writeup! well done!

I also feel sorry for Polt. If he was to read the part about him, he sure would hate the most of TLers.
Analog_now
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada14 Posts
June 17 2011 01:28 GMT
#111
Way to spoil the damn tournament on the main page, way to go tl ruined my super-tournament fun.
You see things; and you say, "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
June 17 2011 01:33 GMT
#112
gooo MMA! Though I must say Polt has impressed me this season
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
June 17 2011 01:35 GMT
#113
Hope Polt goes 3-0 just so MMA can come back and CRUSH him 4-3 in the end >:D
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I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
June 17 2011 01:49 GMT
#114
On June 17 2011 10:35 Stanlot wrote:
Hope Polt goes 3-0 just so MMA can come back and CRUSH him 4-3 in the end >:D


That would seriously give me a heart attack. It's so stressful to root for MMA when he does his last minutes comebacks @__@
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 01:52:09
June 17 2011 01:50 GMT
#115
On June 17 2011 09:59 ed21x wrote:
while i love the Boxer/MMA writeup, i can't help but point out that you skipped out on Oov and went straight to Fantasy to describe his heirs.


I had some lines in an earlier version that went into a little detail about iloveoov and midas, but doing that sort of made the BW part overlong.

Basically Midas was too dry, and iloveoov was a force of nature in his own right and pretty much defied comparisons to anyone else. Iloveoov is the first iloveoov, not the second anyone.

BTW the finals are TOMORROW, and I'm damn sure going to be openly talking results by the time we have group selection ceremonies ^^
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Frequencyy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States344 Posts
June 17 2011 02:01 GMT
#116
Still coping with MKP's loss, I love MMA, Polt, and MKP hard to say who I want to win, can't choose, just gonna be happy to see good games, but I really wish MKP woulda made it again...
You will not do incredible things without an incredible dream
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 17 2011 02:02 GMT
#117
Oh, I forgot to say, I loved the Brood War part of the MMA hype!

I like it when connections are made to bring the scenes together and storylines that span both games rather than the whole "it's two different worlds" approach a lot of people have today. =)

Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
June 17 2011 02:17 GMT
#118
On June 17 2011 09:25 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 09:09 rugrat wrote:
for the record, i totally understood the Godfather reference...


Well, the reference contains a hidden assumption (or not so hidden) that BW is fading into the background in Korea, which is patently not true at the moment - and while the scene isn't growing like SC2, SC2 isn't all that successful in Korea either, and still far from BW's status. Another obvious difference: Fantasy is actually almost 3 years younger than MMA, and just won the most recent OSL. So really, I don't understand the Sonny/Michael analogies at all.

On topic: well written article, and GO POLT!!!!


Other differences between Fantasy and MMA

* MMA does not suddenly play incredibly horribly and lose badly
* MMA will not GG 10 minutes after he has lost
* MMA can use bio

Yes you'll see I have the T1 badge but it's mainly for the T1 toss players who I root for
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
June 17 2011 02:18 GMT
#119
Awesome hype thread, I hope MMA curbstomps Polt.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
June 17 2011 02:21 GMT
#120
This is THE BEST writeup I've seen on here. I especially enjoyed the Polt section. SUPER hyped for the SUPER tournament now!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 17 2011 02:27 GMT
#121
I liked reading about the builds.
I wish so hard i was going to the party in toronto.
i have to work saturday and when i went to the gsl3 party i ended up calling in sick the next day.
have fun everyone going.
and good luck MMA!!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 02:28:36
June 17 2011 02:28 GMT
#122
The best part of the godfather analogy I was thinking of: Fantasy drives up to a toll booth, and gets ambushed by a dozen hold-lurkers that repeatedly spike him to death. (funny because it happens regularly)
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 17 2011 02:28 GMT
#123
Really enjoyed the bios this time.

I still hope the finals will be fantastic (but I'm still a doubter at this point on GSL finals).
the farm ends here
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
June 17 2011 02:30 GMT
#124
Although I loved MMA's play lately... I'll stay loyal to the MKP fan club. : D
I just hope there isn't many one-sided games in the finals or that would be disappointing. ~
GET SM4SHED
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
June 17 2011 02:47 GMT
#125
really liked the hype about the players! Thankuuuuu!
Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
June 17 2011 02:48 GMT
#126
I would say oov is not oov is not Tom, but Michael
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 17 2011 02:54 GMT
#127
Prove everybody wrong once and for all polt!
The Notorious Winkles
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
June 17 2011 02:55 GMT
#128
I already voted for Polt even before this preview comes out.
Polt was right about luck
JunkkaGom
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)855 Posts
June 17 2011 03:20 GMT
#129
I'm supporting polt, but whoever wins please let our final be great for once
Workload overwhelming. It is a good day to work
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
June 17 2011 03:24 GMT
#130
Hahaha i think it will take this finals victory for people to 100% take Polt seriously.

I will be rooting for MMA, but if Polt wins it would be an epic story.

As John said; please, whatever happens - PLEASE GIVE US GOOD GAMES!
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Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
June 17 2011 03:32 GMT
#131
I really enjoyed this preview. Good job.
No relation to Monsieur J.
drinking
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines281 Posts
June 17 2011 03:37 GMT
#132
good luck to the players :D
Try not. Do or do not.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10321 Posts
June 17 2011 03:48 GMT
#133
One base blue-flame expand seemed to be the most popular way to setup a mech transition.

And as long as we're talking about mech... let's talk about mech.

Mech was surprisingly popular this tournament, though it didn't clear a 50% win rate. Besides MMA, none of the "top" terran players used this strategy. These elite players seemed more than happy to pick apart mech's weaknesses with a mobile marauder-medivac force. The problem with mech, for being so goddamn powerful when it's actually set, is that it gets totally, absolutely obliterated by marauders when it's not. It seemed that the best players with tip-top mechanics were always on top of when and where their opponents' tanks were sieged, and reacted to mistakes very quickly.

Against those players, you couldn't just unsiege half your army, move a screen away and re-siege. You had to siege un-siege, siege un-siege leapfrog your tanks the entire distance, or else 8 marauders were going to kill two exposed tanks and leave. And when that was forced upon mech, it became even MORE agonizingly slow.

Still worth it, for the ability to kill your enemy's army in a single volley.


Maybe you are only talking about the top terrans here, but Ganzi used Mech in all 3 (or 2?) of his matches against MVP, and beat him.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
June 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#134
Polt will go up 3-0, then MMA will comeback and win 4-3.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
June 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#135
What an awesome article!!! It's hype time!
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
TheArtOfFugue
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada187 Posts
June 17 2011 04:30 GMT
#136
Loled at the Polt section Nice work!
74% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
RoMGraViTy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States314 Posts
June 17 2011 04:33 GMT
#137
On June 17 2011 12:20 JunkkaGom wrote:
I'm supporting polt, but whoever wins please let our final be great for once

if it isnt you'll have to bill the MKPvsMMA series as the real final.
"Khaldor is a younger version of Goro from Mortal Kombat" - Tasteless
LMPeaches
Profile Joined December 2010
United States157 Posts
June 17 2011 04:37 GMT
#138
Nice build section, it gives me so much background info to know before the finals;)
Running is the only real sport, everything else is just a game
lolsixtynine
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
June 17 2011 04:40 GMT
#139
It's sad because this is the first time that the title is going to go to someone who isn't the best player in the world.
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 04:43:29
June 17 2011 04:43 GMT
#140
MMA FIGHTING.

MMA&boxer VS polt&MKP
Siphonn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States298 Posts
June 17 2011 04:47 GMT
#141
Great read, hopefully MMA can come out on top. Got a picture with him at MLG <3
ZogaAUS
Profile Joined January 2011
27 Posts
June 17 2011 05:01 GMT
#142
Thanks for the write up, good sirs! SlayerS_MMA!
Cochoz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States185 Posts
June 17 2011 05:06 GMT
#143
+1 for MMA!
Bandreus
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy69 Posts
June 17 2011 05:27 GMT
#144
Great write up! Also, I just hope this ends up being better than last Codes S finals xD Should be a good one, given the players.

MMA, MMA, MMA, MMA ^_^
Atasu
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada98 Posts
June 17 2011 05:30 GMT
#145
I believe in Polt!! Gonna crush face!
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
June 17 2011 05:33 GMT
#146
I liquibet MMA since i feel he will win because of the strong showing at MLG and the momentum it could carry over. Although i'd like to see Polt win it over MMA. But I just hope for a good finals and i'll be happy with either honestly. Can't wait!! Great write up as usual.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
June 17 2011 05:34 GMT
#147
Thumb down is a bad omen. Polt will win
Tehbing
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Singapore99 Posts
June 17 2011 05:40 GMT
#148
On June 17 2011 13:13 TooN wrote:
Polt will go up 3-0, then MMA will comeback and win 4-3.


QFT.

That aside, yes I really hope this finals will look like a real exciting finals for once! Go MMA!
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre" - Life, the Universe & Everything
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 17 2011 05:48 GMT
#149
Shouldn't it be "Less Common and not Particularly Interesting Builds"?
I'll call Nada.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33302 Posts
June 17 2011 05:50 GMT
#150
On June 17 2011 14:48 lololol wrote:
Shouldn't it be "Less Common and not Particularly Interesting Builds"?


I imply that uncommon builds are usually interesting, but not so for these :O
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
June 17 2011 05:51 GMT
#151
Like I said before Polt v TOP started, Polt gonna upset the world with a 4-0 vs MMA, np.
gimpy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States72 Posts
June 17 2011 05:54 GMT
#152
Thanks for writing this, but I got spoiled at the TL homepage as I'm still working my way through the huge bunch of games TT
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
June 17 2011 05:59 GMT
#153
Here's the SUPER part of the Super tournament for me: For the first time in 3 GSL's we're guaranteed to have a winner who hasn't already won, and the first time since GSL 1 that Nestea, MC or MVP will not win it. Crazy to think about, and might usher in a changing of the guard so to speak.
MrSweetNess
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia312 Posts
June 17 2011 06:04 GMT
#154
IMO, Polt is probably the most underrated player in the GSL at the moment.
100% win rate in TvP in the GSL.
2nd, to only Bomber in the TLDP
Continually beats players by just being a solid player and I actually think his builds are amazing, IMO he is one of the smartest players in GSL (NesTea is the smartest of course).
I get the feeling that even if he beats MMA in the tournament with the 64 best players (even the ones who aren't in code S but are still considered better than most Code S players) that people will still say he got lucky.
Either way I'm rooting for Polt so he can prove the he is one of the best, not taking anything away from MMA, I still think this will finally be the GSL finals we have been waiting for. ^^
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mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 17 2011 06:08 GMT
#155
Polt is the most underrated played in the GSL... but I don't know if he can beat MMA.

Polt's weakest point is his TvT, and the weakest part of that is his Tank vs Tank situations, not that that is MMA's strong suit, but he's adept enough to beat Polt. I feel that Polt can get at least 2-3 quick easy victories over MMA, but actually taking home a 4th game? I don't know. Either way, I think it's be 6 or 7 games.
MKP||TSL
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
June 17 2011 06:26 GMT
#156
Thanks for the awesome write-up IMO TvT is the most interesting match-up xD
Anyway +1 for MMA
@taefoxy
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
June 17 2011 06:42 GMT
#157
POLT FIGHTING! If he wins he needs to eat a box of sabasaba chicken as his ceremony!
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
June 17 2011 06:47 GMT
#158
Amazing writeup! So pumped for the games
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Yareq
Profile Joined June 2011
United States39 Posts
June 17 2011 06:47 GMT
#159
Wow, I'm so hyped for Polt, he's been a good terran for a while he finally made it, and MMA? Good luck to him, I'd like to see either or win to tell you the truth, don't have a fav this time around.
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
June 17 2011 06:49 GMT
#160
I'm really hoping that Polt goes 3-0 so MMA can go 4-.... wait, so Polt can go 4-0
xerathul
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey12 Posts
June 17 2011 07:05 GMT
#161
fantastic read. thanks
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
June 17 2011 07:19 GMT
#162
On June 17th, 2011 06:29 Waxangel wrote:
I had a great analogy where Boxer is Don Corleone, Fantasy is Sonny, MMA is Michael, and iloveoov is Tom Hagen. Then I realized the cross section of people who watched early 2000's pro BW AND The Godfather is surprisingly small.

Oh for the love of god please bring it.

"Just when I thought I was out.... they pull me back in..." xD
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khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 07:29:37
June 17 2011 07:28 GMT
#163
AWSOME write-up! Thanks alot! Really pumped for the finals.

MMA hwaiting!
VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
June 17 2011 07:53 GMT
#164
Great Writeup. You definitely hit the nail on the head with the Polt article. I would love nothing more than to see him become Optimus Prime. It would be him metaphorically taking a giant dump all over MKP fans.
That being said, I hate that with Polt in the finals if Polt beats MMA it becomes a shared win by Polt and MKP. I know for a fact that if MKP made it instead (fighting against TOP), it would all be MKP with no mention of Polt. I sense Bias :|

This will be the first GSL finals where I would be completely okay with either side winning (Except MC v July). If MMA wins we get to see Boxer reincarnate taking titles all over the place. If Polt wins, there will be Metaphorical dumping :D
Raol
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania56 Posts
June 17 2011 08:01 GMT
#165
Excelent spoiler on front page. Thanks
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 17 2011 08:18 GMT
#166
Not that anyone cares, but Rainbow will be performing at da finals.
WriterXiao8~~
blk_hwk
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand22 Posts
June 17 2011 08:18 GMT
#167
Still bitter about MKP losing in the semis D: I'd like to see Polt win this one though ^.^
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
June 17 2011 08:19 GMT
#168
On June 17 2011 06:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Who thought it was a good idea to spoil the semi finals in a graphic on the main page of TL?


Cry moar please.
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Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
June 17 2011 08:38 GMT
#169
PoltPrime points J and K had me laughing really, really hard =D
Always smile~
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 17 2011 08:52 GMT
#170
Hate me now by Fionn


I disagree with everyones constant assessment that MMA only having to play TvT to get to the final is relevant. Interesting, but irrelevant. If it was just like InCa and he was carried on the success of PvP and cheesy builds then I may agree, but MMA has shown extreme prowess at TvT and the finals..
Are TvT.



But what I'd really like to say is thank you to all the writers. I <3 you all. Great work as always.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
EzPz
Profile Joined May 2011
Scotland64 Posts
June 17 2011 08:55 GMT
#171
nice write up thanks. Can't wait too see how MMA does! He was really entertaining too watch at MLG so by comparison this should be even better :D
18 months of travelling / journalism and sc2
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 17 2011 08:56 GMT
#172
On June 17 2011 17:52 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hate me now by Fionn


I disagree with everyones constant assessment that MMA only having to play TvT to get to the final is relevant. Interesting, but irrelevant. If it was just like InCa and he was carried on the success of PvP and cheesy builds then I may agree, but MMA has shown extreme prowess at TvT and the finals..
Are TvT.



But what I'd really like to say is thank you to all the writers. I <3 you all. Great work as always.


Oh, I wasn't comparing MMA to Inca at all. MMA totally deserves his place in the final and is probably playing some of the best Starcraft in the entire world at the moment, alongside his opponent Polt. The comment about him being in all TvT was just to show how silly some people are at saying how Polt only got here on his TvP ability, when he was the one to face all the races in his journey to the final.

Thanks for enjoying the work and hopefully you guys read the GSL Super Tournament Recap article we do after the finals. I have a good idea on what I want to write about, and I think it'll be pretty fun!
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 08:57:46
June 17 2011 08:57 GMT
#173
Aww I love both of them.

That being said, I reserved the right to make a Polt fanclub months ago. If he wins, I'm throwing that up as fast as humanly possible ^^

Good article!
EventHorizoN
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany101 Posts
June 17 2011 08:58 GMT
#174
M-M-A!
Urlacher
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
June 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#175
Great writeup, but more importantly, super sexy typeface!
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
ArdentZeal
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany155 Posts
June 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#176
wow teamliquid is even stepping up there coverage. I like!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 17 2011 09:34 GMT
#177
Just in, tweeted by GOMTV, not only will you see the epic finals between MMA and Polt tomorrow, you will also get a special opening treat in a Best-of-Five LG Cinema 3D Special League Final that will pit SC, from the team fOu, against the one and only DongRaeGu from MVP!

Hopefully more details will follow on when that match will take place and the time the stream will start. So even if you hate TvT, tune in tomorrow to see a great TvZ battle for the grand prize of $9,000 and a 55" 3D television!
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
June 17 2011 09:42 GMT
#178
People seriously need to stop proclaiming Boxer's heirs every time a terran player in a team he's affiliated with does something right. Fantasy wasn't it, and considering how volatile the sc2 rankings have been up to now, MMA probably not as well. Furthermore, it makes Boxer seem to be like a rock star without a clue about protection.

Oh, and what about Killer, JD's heir? Best, Kingdom's heir? Hwaseung Protoss, with Anytime helping them? KT Zerg? Fox Terran? It's all just a silly figure of speech, a figment of correlation.
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vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
June 17 2011 10:32 GMT
#179
MMA gonna stomp hard, Nestea vs InCa all over again. 4-0
Snidgel
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden54 Posts
June 17 2011 11:12 GMT
#180
mma got this np
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
June 17 2011 11:33 GMT
#181
I posted this in a thread yesterday that also "spoiled" the finals. While there is something to say that even with a correct title, the nature of the frontpage and graphics on teamliquid still allow something to get spoiled. In the end, it is always you that is responsible for allowing yourself to get spoiled. Keep in mind that the qoute was written where someone spoiled in the title, that's why it can have a harsh tone at times, because I feel that is simply inexcusable.

With the frontpage news and the graphic that obviously makes things harder. Isn't that the same exposure as a title? Most likely it is, probably even more so however. It's teamliquids site and their newsfeed. At some point a line gets drawn regarding the legitimacy of something being a spoiler or not, and I feel in cases where it's at least a few days later, they seem to always delay at least a couple days, it's more than fair and there is nothing to whine about. They are competent to make those decisions responsably.
The qoute, exploring some parts a bit more.

On June 16 2011 06:13 legatus legionis wrote:
I'm just gonna have to chip in on the spoiler topic, even though it's discussed a lot already.
Both sides are gonna have good arguments. If it was one day after, I think most would say a spoiler is not acceptable. If it is an arbitrary number of days after, it will depend on who you ask to decide if under those conditions a spoiler is still not acceptable or has become acceptable for whatever reason.

The reason I'm staying it like this is because it should reveal that there is no answer to that. You can keep bouncing back and forth, to never settle on a perfect ruleset.

What I would therefore like to say is that it only requires a little thought to make your title spoiler free. You are afterall not just making a post, you are creating a thread which includes bringing interesting points to the surface, getting the layout nice, poking into areas to help the discussion to get going. I think you can easily include making your title be spoiler free into that set.

Personally, I can't get spoiled because I don't care. When I do care, I don't get spoiled because I either watch it as a first priority or give up on caring on the spoiler and just enjoy the games or not watch at all. In ways it's really a conscious decision to get spoiled. You spoil it for yourself by allowing yourself to get spoiled. The only exclusion is leaked results and the like but that should speak for itself.

So I don't think there is much to do, except for people to take responsibility, be it shielding yourself because of other people's inconsideration or taking other people into considering when making a thread.

Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6257 Posts
June 17 2011 11:54 GMT
#182
Polt fighting!!!
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
June 17 2011 12:02 GMT
#183
A part of me really wants to see Polt take this. He's been in this scene for quite a while and always just on the cusp of greatness. I think he has the ability and the talent to win this game, although I've been burned Liquibetting against Boxer's disciples before.

And re: the spoiler, I'm really curious why the SC community cares more about them than other sports? Newspapers and mainstream media outlets print scores and results in big bold letters everywhere yet a single graphic for a finals preview gets people taking to the street. Get Real.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 17 2011 12:24 GMT
#184
And re: the spoiler, I'm really curious why the SC community cares more about them than other sports? Newspapers and mainstream media outlets print scores and results in big bold letters everywhere yet a single graphic for a finals preview gets people taking to the street. Get Real.


This, it's ridiculous. Do people write in to newspapers complaining about spoilers? If you have ever recorded a sports event that you had to miss you know the only way to not get spoiled is to avoid other people/places/websites that could potentially spoil you until you have watched it. Time zones are no exception, when the World Cup was in Korea ESPN was scrolling the results at the bottom of the screen and had them on their website just as usual. One of the few things that drives me crazy about the SC2 community is this oversensitivity to spoilers and putting the onus on the community to not spoil the individual instead of on the individual to use some common sense and not go where he could get spoiled.
PuercoPop
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Peru277 Posts
June 17 2011 12:28 GMT
#185
Not to dimishin Polt in anyway (his resounding victory against Alicia is earning enough imho) But lets not get to extreme ok calling Maka a Top Terran...

I'll still be rooting for MMA. SlayerS_Hwaiting! Avenge Alicia!
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating!
XenoKai
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada53 Posts
June 17 2011 12:37 GMT
#186
god......DAMMIT why why why did u make this the first fucking thing i see on TL!? well i guess there is no point in watching the other matches now, thanks guys :S
velocitygirl
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom64 Posts
June 17 2011 13:02 GMT
#187
In the first Bread and Butter builds section,
With the threat of ravens, vikings, etc, going for late vikings against someone who's already teched tends to be a bad idea.

should be
With the threat of ravens, vikings, etc, going for late banshees against someone who's already teched tends to be a bad idea.
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AndyGB4
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada156 Posts
June 17 2011 13:34 GMT
#188
So I live in Canada and the GSL games usually start around 4am, so knowing that i wont watch them live and will most probably watch them the next morning, I do myself a favor and dont go on TL and i dont even check my twitter because I follow tons of SC2 players that usually have something to say about games especially when its a TL or oGs player playing. If you really care that much about being spoiled, then dont get on TL.
Zeaket
Profile Joined June 2011
United States208 Posts
June 17 2011 13:35 GMT
#189
Amazing writeup. I was already hyped because MMA was in it, and I still think he'll take it, but interesting to see the perspective on Polt. I almost want Polt to win for MKP's sake. Almost.
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
June 17 2011 13:36 GMT
#190
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.


Could anyone explain this?
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Zeaket
Profile Joined June 2011
United States208 Posts
June 17 2011 13:41 GMT
#191
On June 17 2011 22:36 KillAudio wrote:
Show nested quote +
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.


Could anyone explain this?


It's pretty self explanatory. The SC2 streams at MLG Dallas were generally awful, laggy, offline half the time, etc. It caused a lot of complaint for people that bought an HD ticket (hint: a lot did).
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
June 17 2011 14:05 GMT
#192
I really want MMA to knock Polt's Huk-killing smirk off his face. Really, so much.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
June 17 2011 14:20 GMT
#193
On June 17 2011 21:37 XenoKai wrote:
god......DAMMIT why why why did u make this the first fucking thing i see on TL!? well i guess there is no point in watching the other matches now, thanks guys :S


You're complaining about a spoiler when you've had ample time to catch up....why?

Also, you make this post on the eve of the Super Tourney Finals.

Brought it on yourself, brah!
Autunno
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil147 Posts
June 17 2011 14:29 GMT
#194
On June 17 2011 22:41 Zeaket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 22:36 KillAudio wrote:
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.


Could anyone explain this?


It's pretty self explanatory. The SC2 streams at MLG Dallas were generally awful, laggy, offline half the time, etc. It caused a lot of complaint for people that bought an HD ticket (hint: a lot did).


And it was all Polt's fault. ALL.
MLG_Lee
Profile Joined July 2010
279 Posts
June 17 2011 14:31 GMT
#195
Great, great write up. Nice job.
Twitter: @MLGLee ( https://twitter.com/#!/MLGLee )
DerNebel
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark648 Posts
June 17 2011 14:48 GMT
#196
Im not liquibetting MMA. Im liquibetting Boxer.

And yes. The MLG phail was all Polt's fault. Another reason not to cheer for him.
mikrobelolle
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3 Posts
June 17 2011 14:56 GMT
#197
thats shit i wanted to look all games in the summer holidays without knowing whi wins but thanks TL now my suspense is away (Y)
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
June 17 2011 15:03 GMT
#198
On June 17 2011 22:41 Zeaket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 22:36 KillAudio wrote:
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.


Could anyone explain this?


It's pretty self explanatory. The SC2 streams at MLG Dallas were generally awful, laggy, offline half the time, etc. It caused a lot of complaint for people that bought an HD ticket (hint: a lot did).


Lololol. Thanks. Wasn't aware that MLG dallas sucked so much.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
mikrobelolle
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3 Posts
June 17 2011 15:04 GMT
#199
On June 17 2011 08:59 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 08:47 Meteora.GB wrote:
Let's hope this finals is a good one.

Also why do people complain about the spoilers when the title itself says its a finals preview...


People are not complaining about clicking this article and then seeing it spoiled. They are complaining about it being on the front page in big letters, so as soon as you goto teamliquid its the first thing your eyes are staring at on the main page. That is all.


yeah thats not good my season is now werthless
mikrobelolle
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3 Posts
June 17 2011 15:09 GMT
#200
On June 17 2011 23:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 21:37 XenoKai wrote:
god......DAMMIT why why why did u make this the first fucking thing i see on TL!? well i guess there is no point in watching the other matches now, thanks guys :S


You're complaining about a spoiler when you've had ample time to catch up....why?

Also, you make this post on the eve of the Super Tourney Finals.

Brought it on yourself, brah!

there is no time when you have to go to school or work
and problally there is no desire to watch 2-4 hours a day starcraft when the sun is shining outside
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
June 17 2011 15:24 GMT
#201
I loved the mma son of boxer thing aloooooooot
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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
June 17 2011 15:31 GMT
#202
kids need to stop whining about spoilers. the semifinals have been over for days now. its about time time somebody bought you up to date.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 17 2011 15:40 GMT
#203
On June 18 2011 00:31 stratmatt wrote:
kids need to stop whining about spoilers. the semifinals have been over for days now. its about time time somebody bought you up to date.


The time in which it was completed has nothing to do with being spoiled. If a movie came out last year that someone you know hasnt seen yet, but is going to watch it that week, would you spoil it for him simply because "its been out for a year now". Your argument is stupid.

The only problem people are having is that the article says MMA VS POLT on the front page, the very second you come to TL. It would of been very easy to leave that part out until you clicked the article. TL goes a long ways to make sure their TSL3 games were not spoiled, so why should this be any different?


Back on track, I feel that MMA is in a league of his own right now, and that Polt although a great player, wont have what it takes to put out mma's fire. I predict 4-1 or 4-2
Mairou
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland144 Posts
June 17 2011 15:52 GMT
#204
I hope to see some crazy strategies. Standard TvT is just boring.
eSports! www.youtube.com/MairouTV
ambient_orange
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
June 17 2011 15:59 GMT
#205
someone should just tell how they do in ladder.. im sure that they meet in ladder...so any information about that would be more than welcome.. should be even in first post..
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antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
June 17 2011 16:00 GMT
#206
Team effort go!

I like MMA, but Polt got avenge MK.
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
June 17 2011 16:17 GMT
#207
Is the DRG vs SC showmatch happening at 15:10, or is it earlier?
Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 16:33:18
June 17 2011 16:31 GMT
#208
I agree with people saying please dont Spoil. Theres nothing worse than having a match that you love ruined because the result is known. Honestly, it takes all the excitement out, theres no denying this. Even though the games can still be watched, anybody who says is the same thing is lying.

Our starcraft community is an online community and many of us watch the games at our own time. Teamliquid is one of the focal points of our community. Tl doesnt have to do anything they dont want to do, and if publishing results on a front page banner is something TL wants to do, im nobody to object.

Im just saying. This article is great, I love the hype and im looking forward to the finals more after reading it. None of the great things this article has to offer would have been worth less if the names of the players involved was removed from the banner. Just name it "GSL FINALS" and avoid the "POLT VS MMA" part. No one loses, and the people who havent watched the matches dont lose either.

The people saying "Its been 4 days get real stop whining" are entitled to their opinion as well. Its just not very constructive and I tell these people to place themselves in our shoes. Maybe you are travelling and dont have time. Maybe its been a rough week at work. And when that happens and youre games are spoiled. You will understand.
TheTreeKing
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:41:56
June 17 2011 16:36 GMT
#209
On June 18 2011 01:31 Sharkyloft wrote:
I agree with people saying please dont Spoil. Theres nothing worse than having a match that you love ruined because the result is known. Honestly, it takes all the excitement out, theres no denying this. Even though the games can still be watched, anybody who says is the same thing is lying.

Our starcraft community is an online community and many of us watch the games at our own time. Teamliquid is one of the focal points of our community. Tl doesnt have to do anything they dont want to do, and if publishing results on a front page banner is something TL wants to do, im nobody to object.

Im just saying. This article is great, I love the hype and im looking forward to the finals more after reading it. None of the great things this article has to offer would have been worth less if the names of the players involved was removed from the banner. Just name it "GSL FINALS" and avoid the "POLT VS MMA" part. No one loses, and the people who havent watched the matches dont lose either.

The people saying "Its been 4 days get real stop whining" are entitled to their opinion as well. Its just not very constructive and I tell these people to place themselves in our shoes. Maybe you are travelling and dont have time. Maybe its been a rough week at work. And when that happens and youre games are spoiled. You will understand.


--


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If only Protoss units cost money
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#210
So the people who hate Polt, keep hating


Will do. :D

I so hope Polt completely collapses. He's a solid player but if all it takes to win a GSL is being "solid" - no flair necessary - then SC2 is not where I want it to be. In fact, I'd almost argue that he's not necessarily all solid. How in the hell did he manage to get out-produced by about 40 SCV's by TOP on two bases? That shouldn't even be possible.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
June 17 2011 16:47 GMT
#211

@TheTreeKing

If I were a mod I would have deleted your post and banned you for life.
DrBeansy
Profile Joined April 2011
England85 Posts
June 17 2011 16:50 GMT
#212
im new to gsl (only ever watched TSL/MLG for free) and just wondered how i can watch this final? is it only through payment at GOM TV? thanks
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
June 17 2011 17:01 GMT
#213
On June 18 2011 01:50 DrBeansy wrote:
im new to gsl (only ever watched TSL/MLG for free) and just wondered how i can watch this final? is it only through payment at GOM TV? thanks


You can watch the lower quality stream for free when it goes live. When the finals start, go to http://www.gomtv.net/ and click on the 'go live' button at the top. Just remember that you will need the gom player.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
June 17 2011 17:02 GMT
#214
Terrific write-up! This was very interesting to read and learn some very valuable information about TvT play. I love TvT myself and now I love it even more. MMA is a very solid player yes, but I really hope that the underdog Polt can take this final
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Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
June 17 2011 17:03 GMT
#215
another boring tvt? thanks but no thanks
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
oriox
Profile Joined February 2011
United States240 Posts
June 17 2011 17:16 GMT
#216
On June 18 2011 00:40 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 00:31 stratmatt wrote:
kids need to stop whining about spoilers. the semifinals have been over for days now. its about time time somebody bought you up to date.


The time in which it was completed has nothing to do with being spoiled. If a movie came out last year that someone you know hasnt seen yet, but is going to watch it that week, would you spoil it for him simply because "its been out for a year now". Your argument is stupid.

The only problem people are having is that the article says MMA VS POLT on the front page, the very second you come to TL. It would of been very easy to leave that part out until you clicked the article. TL goes a long ways to make sure their TSL3 games were not spoiled, so why should this be any different?


Back on track, I feel that MMA is in a league of his own right now, and that Polt although a great player, wont have what it takes to put out mma's fire. I predict 4-1 or 4-2


Sorry, but your argument is stupid. One match in a tournament is not equivalent to an entire movie. It's more akin to one scene in a movie. It's like you go to the bathroom in the middle of a movie and comeback to find that the movie has progressed for a few minutes, and then you complain about spoilers.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
DrBeansy
Profile Joined April 2011
England85 Posts
June 17 2011 17:43 GMT
#217
On June 18 2011 02:01 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 01:50 DrBeansy wrote:
im new to gsl (only ever watched TSL/MLG for free) and just wondered how i can watch this final? is it only through payment at GOM TV? thanks


You can watch the lower quality stream for free when it goes live. When the finals start, go to http://www.gomtv.net/ and click on the 'go live' button at the top. Just remember that you will need the gom player.


thanks very much pal. i think i'll be waking up at 6am tomorrow to watch!
Web-chan
Profile Joined August 2010
Russian Federation61 Posts
June 17 2011 17:44 GMT
#218
I want to root for Polt because he can get revenge for MKP but if he wins it's gonna be awkward. Poor MKP with his 3 silvers, and Polt getting a gold? I'm at a loss now, gonna just hope for some great games.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4229 Posts
June 17 2011 17:56 GMT
#219
Great write up! Im so excited to see MMA crush Polt and take is first GSL tittle!

It will be a close series but MMA will show his true skills and will come out on top and leave no doubt about how good he is!!!

Gogogo MMA!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
June 17 2011 17:57 GMT
#220
I find it difficult to believe that MMA will ever lose another game. The man is unreal.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
lowkontrast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States855 Posts
June 17 2011 18:00 GMT
#221
On June 18 2011 00:40 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 00:31 stratmatt wrote:
kids need to stop whining about spoilers. the semifinals have been over for days now. its about time time somebody bought you up to date.


The time in which it was completed has nothing to do with being spoiled. If a movie came out last year that someone you know hasnt seen yet, but is going to watch it that week, would you spoil it for him simply because "its been out for a year now". Your argument is stupid.


I have to agree. When we read a book in english class and some faggot spoils the ending, it's still considered a spoiler regardless of the fact that the book may have been written hundreds of years ago.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
June 17 2011 18:02 GMT
#222
the concept of comparing a fictional movie or book with a real life event
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:08:24
June 17 2011 18:05 GMT
#223
Sports are not movies and books. They are meant to be watched and discussed live. You say there is no harm in just having generic GSL banners, I say there is harm. Remember this FP image? I'd say it's far better than a generic one. What you're advocating is never having relevant images on our front page. In the future there will be more time-sensitive stuff, not less.

Soon, everything will be streamed and discussed live. It will be more like a real sport (like soccer or football or w/e) and less like a delayed movie. Are you going to ask ESPN to spoil the results on their front page? I understand SC2 and ESPORTS are not there yet, but that's definitely the direction we're moving in.

So for now, our policy will be 24 hour, possibly 48 hour spoiler-free front page. After that it's on you not to visit TL until you watch the matches or bookmark the sections you want to visit. It's your choice. It's fine if you want to DVR the NBA Finals to watch 4 days later, but you wouldn't ask ESPN to not talk about it.
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RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
June 17 2011 18:11 GMT
#224
Well done Waxangel! Hope to see MMA take this, Slayers fighting!
SadStarcraft
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico56 Posts
June 17 2011 18:22 GMT
#225
i wasnt aware of the hatred of polt..nor do i see how it is warranted.
gimpy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States72 Posts
June 17 2011 18:26 GMT
#226
This TL "commandment" may need to be adjusted...

"Don't be an attention whore and give away the results of games, sporting events, movie endings, etc. in the title of the thread/post. Also, if you're going to reveal stuff in the body of your post, then be decent enough to use the - Hide Spoiler -"
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
June 17 2011 18:27 GMT
#227
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.

K. He's also the owl in those Tootsie Pop commercials that steals the boy's candy and eats it in front of him.


I lost it right here hahaha, I can't wait for these finals! I really hope MMA wipes the floor with Polt
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:29:36
June 17 2011 18:27 GMT
#228
Awesome writeup <3
Just opened the LR thread for the occasion :p
And the spoiler discussion is ridiculous, i'm sure ALL the people who complained already knew the results (or didn't care enough for the results so they shouldn't care about spoilers)
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:40:40
June 17 2011 18:40 GMT
#229
In the tradition of one-sided GSL finals I predict MMA mopping the floor with Polt 4:1.

What's interesting to me is that even if MMA wins he's still going to be Code A, right? That's quite ridiculous! The champion of the "SUPER" tournament to participate in Code A after beating both Code A and Code S...
fant0m
Profile Joined May 2010
964 Posts
June 17 2011 19:13 GMT
#230
On June 18 2011 03:40 Vadrigar wrote:
In the tradition of one-sided GSL finals I predict MMA mopping the floor with Polt 4:1.

What's interesting to me is that even if MMA wins he's still going to be Code A, right? That's quite ridiculous! The champion of the "SUPER" tournament to participate in Code A after beating both Code A and Code S...


Same thing happened to Mvp in the World Championships. I guess the powerhouses in Code A have more to fight for, considering they're locked out of more than like $1.5k in income per month until they get up into Code S.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
June 17 2011 19:17 GMT
#231
I'd say 48 hrs is good policy, I never watch any live games just VODs.
Spudone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States19 Posts
June 17 2011 19:20 GMT
#232
This was great to read and the Polt write-up was hilarious!

I want MMA to win so MKP can become Optimus.
Also, I think MMA is just going to crush face.
hi_0
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada249 Posts
June 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#233
Why does this say 15:10 KST, but its 14:10 kst in liquibet?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 19:45:39
June 17 2011 19:43 GMT
#234
Polt Fighting! The guy has struggled in the past and has worked hard to turn everything around. Seeing him win the GSL by beating MMA and avenging MKP will make his victory that much sweeter
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
June 17 2011 19:47 GMT
#235
J. He's the person responsible for the terrible streams at MLG Dallas.

Hahaha, nice.

Go SlayerS and MMA, crush Polt! ;@
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 17 2011 19:57 GMT
#236
On June 18 2011 01:17 mapthesoul wrote:
Is the DRG vs SC showmatch happening at 15:10, or is it earlier?


Apparently, the DRG vs. SC Special League Final will be at 15:10 and then the Grand Final, of Polt vs. MMA will follow at 16:30 (or directly afterward).
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Jacob666
Profile Joined January 2011
United States285 Posts
June 17 2011 20:21 GMT
#237
Always bet on the underdog Polt 4-3!
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 17 2011 20:24 GMT
#238
Wow, reading the history of these guys actually makes me look forward to this finals. I was pretty bummed before, but now I think I'tt stay up and mess up my sleep schedule to watch GSL.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
June 17 2011 20:44 GMT
#239
Oo,this is gonna be awesome. Two different T styles duking it out. I hope MMA puts this in the bag.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Giryit
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada11 Posts
June 17 2011 20:51 GMT
#240
Beast Post!

MMA fighting!
Build Build RUSH!!
Williowa
Profile Joined April 2010
129 Posts
June 17 2011 21:09 GMT
#241
HE IS THE OWL! awesome write up
It's A Zergling Lester
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 17 2011 21:32 GMT
#242
On June 18 2011 01:31 Sharkyloft wrote:
I agree with people saying please dont Spoil. Theres nothing worse than having a match that you love ruined because the result is known. Honestly, it takes all the excitement out, theres no denying this. Even though the games can still be watched, anybody who says is the same thing is lying.

Our starcraft community is an online community and many of us watch the games at our own time. Teamliquid is one of the focal points of our community. Tl doesnt have to do anything they dont want to do, and if publishing results on a front page banner is something TL wants to do, im nobody to object.

Im just saying. This article is great, I love the hype and im looking forward to the finals more after reading it. None of the great things this article has to offer would have been worth less if the names of the players involved was removed from the banner. Just name it "GSL FINALS" and avoid the "POLT VS MMA" part. No one loses, and the people who havent watched the matches dont lose either.

The people saying "Its been 4 days get real stop whining" are entitled to their opinion as well. Its just not very constructive and I tell these people to place themselves in our shoes. Maybe you are travelling and dont have time. Maybe its been a rough week at work. And when that happens and youre games are spoiled. You will understand.


ok the solution is very simple. don't visit team liquid and don't read threads about tournaments until you are caught up. so simple. why should everyone else tiptoe around for you? that makes zero sense.
georgiatypeface
Profile Joined June 2011
1 Post
June 17 2011 21:53 GMT
#243
snorwax, I feel as though you are dodging me
snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
June 17 2011 21:54 GMT
#244
I do appreciate the fact that you care enough to change it :D great article btw!
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
June 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#245
Can anyone confirm, would that be 8 am EST when the games start streaming on Saturday?
BronzeBobcat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
June 18 2011 01:36 GMT
#246
wish my internet didnt suck so i could watch
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia192 Posts
June 18 2011 02:25 GMT
#247
Great job on the write up, the build analysis overall is good to see explained in detail you all put in great effort.
I have to say MMA indeed has great marine micro decisions its really good to watch, the finals being a TvT should be fantastic hopefully a lot of back and fourth action in every game making it the most even finals (in Korea) yet.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
IronSlayer
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada30 Posts
June 18 2011 02:43 GMT
#248
Amazing write-up! As someone who doesn't play nearly enough, I greatly appreciate the build analysis =]. I'm really hoping that this series turns out to be like the TSL3 finals. Two great players on a roll, playing epic games and going to the final set. If anything like "CHILL GET OUT" happens, I will die of happiness.
KunFuSion
Profile Joined May 2011
United States189 Posts
June 18 2011 03:09 GMT
#249
When MMA whens, I'm really hoping for an arena-wide MMA chant. That would make this seemingly lackluster finals epic. Also...winner vs winner of showmatch! Haha! One can dream.
Gotta always protect them mcnuggets.
DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 06:45:02
June 18 2011 06:44 GMT
#250
I was talking about the freaking amount of strategies that a Terran can evolve to with some freinds early today lolol.
It's insane.

TvT can also be awesome.

Go PoltPrime.WE ! Win the damn finals for the Prime sake, I wanna see MKP Jumping out of happiness for the prime pride. I think they very good friends & what better than having 2 of the best terrans in your own team
In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 07:04:15
June 18 2011 07:03 GMT
#251
Just turned on the stream. Can some one explain why sc and dongraegu are playing? wtf?
Applesmack
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada680 Posts
June 18 2011 07:26 GMT
#252
On June 18 2011 16:03 d00p wrote:
Just turned on the stream. Can some one explain why sc and dongraegu are playing? wtf?


I'm confused as well. Do we have the wrong time? In how many hours is the match?
derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 07:43:35
June 18 2011 07:39 GMT
#253
i just tuned in too,
but i think the final is over and they wanna show some more games?


edit: i am wrong: tasteless just said the finals are still to come.
Hoejja - Bisu - Leenock - TLO
Protocon
Profile Joined February 2010
United States255 Posts
June 18 2011 08:03 GMT
#254
argh what a waste of time get to the main event pls so i can sleep -_-
asdf
misfit_111
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4 Posts
June 18 2011 08:33 GMT
#255
No kidding, have been checkin back every once in a while for almost 2 1/2 hrs now and they still havent started the main event. And now im too tired to stay up and watch, shoulda made that other crap just a best of 3.
WaitForIt
Profile Joined October 2004
United States22 Posts
June 18 2011 10:09 GMT
#256
grats polt 4-0
Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
June 18 2011 15:20 GMT
#257
What a let down on MMA's part. He just didn't understand that polt always always always goes for early pressure and pushes. He never prepared for it in any of the four games and paid dearly for it. Sometimes players seem so fixated on one way of doing things, completely reluctant to change things drastically to accommodate for their opponents. Polt has been playing aggressively for a while now - where's the surprise?

As for Polt - congrats, you've just taught everyone a valuable lesson - fucking adapt to your opponent's weaknesses!
If you label every single aggressive strategy 'cheese', you are officially declaring yourself an incurable mental retard.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 18 2011 22:58 GMT
#258
I feel bad for all the hype this great write-up generated lol, considering the fact that this was possibly the most one-sided finals I have ever seen with all this hype.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
June 19 2011 03:05 GMT
#259
Im so happy!!
Great play Polt. Congrats!!
ReignExia
Profile Joined February 2003
Dominican Republic54 Posts
June 19 2011 06:23 GMT
#260
gogo MMA gj as allways waxangel
ReignExia :D Reign coach :D Pain is temporary glory is forever
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