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Milkis
5003 Posts
On April 02 2011 07:47 infinity2k9 wrote: Jaedong's vP this year only looks low because literally only the top P players even play him. Yup, and the best out of 5 series with Snow which was pretty epic and pretty close. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:57 hacklebeast wrote: Yay the awards for FPL came back  I missed those.Harems part was entertaining, but then he started saying lots of wrong things, lol. No way best plays, bisu gets sent out before fantasy due to the more favorable P maps, No way in hell fantasy loses to an oz protoss (espehialy one who is 11-17 vT in dream leauge and prelims), and where is S2? Oh, and you have seem to have killer confused with a good player, because the only SKT players killer has beat in the last year are ssak and soo. How can you call something "wrong" when you're not the coach and don't know exactly just how people are doing in practice atm, what their current mental state is etc. A lot of Best's issues seem to be confidence related and just one win could help bring back the DJW of old. T1 needs an in-form Best if they really want a shot at beating KT and Sun going out first wouldn't help with Best's mental issues at all. The next few maps being nice for protoss is a bonus as well. Fantasy himself has already hinted at being sent out before Bisu as he said, Q: During the Playoff you get to meet Hwaseung's Jaedong. You lost often against him so you must have quite a different resolve. Fantasy also has had tvp issues on Empire so if you're going to quote stats then why not also quote how he is 1-4 tvp there while Dear is undefeated? T1 would also rather try to have Fantasy on Circuit Breaker (which adds more fuel to why Fanta should be sent out first) as opposed to Bisu as that is where Bisu previously lost to Hiya, has had a string of pvp losses and it also being a really nice map for zvp (is also really nice for any kind of mech transition tvz be it early game when still on 2-3 base or later game management when another main is taken) Fantasy going out before Bisu also means that a potential Bisu sniper (Hiya) can be stopped preemptively.A: I played against him a lot and I lost against him in many important matches. If I meet him this time I definitely want to get revenge. I'm really looking forward to this match. I also have confidence I can win. I think I'm playing well recently. But because Bisu hyung said he would take care of Jaedong, I will take care of the other players (laugh). There is no 8th map so S2 can't be sent out? Plus Icarus which has been the map he has done best on isn't being used. Killer vs T1 players: vBest 1-0 vBisu 1-1 vSun 3-0 vFantasy 1-0 vSoo 4-0 vParalyze 2-0 vS2 0-2 vSsak 1-1 Total =13-4 (that was recently even higher until Kwanro decided to quit) | ||
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Render
United States249 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
In order: Wasn't suggesting that sun goes out instead of best. Neither of them should play (I can think of 7 people I would send before sun or best), and while best does need to get confidence up, I don't think that WL playoffs is the place to do it. I think you are vastly overestimating the protoss line of oz, which is probably the second worst in the league. perfectman < 50%, backho < 50% ,shy < 50%, dear < 50%, sky < 50%, anytime < 50%. the last time that either fantasy or bisu lost to a protoss close to their caliber was back in january when jaehoon looked good for about a month. Dear is undefeated on EotS the same way that EVERY member of SKT is undefeated against EVERY member of oz this playoffs -_- And as to bisu: 1) He still has only lost to good tosses (kal stork free stats) since august, so I'm curious which of the oz tosses you find comparable to which of those four. 2) bisu is 5-1 pvt on circut breaker, so a loss to hiya is more of the exception to the rule. and 3) I don't consider 24-23 a "really nice map" for zvp. If you think that the map is not accurately reflected by the games that have been played on it (I personally thing benzene is really bad pvz despite its stats), I can respect that. But your going to have to explain your logic just a little. I'm taking s2 as my third guy (not order, but the guy I think would do the third best vs oz) and the last guy is either ssak, hyuk, or soo (preferably ssak) depending on which is hot in practice right now. And if you want to have fun with stats that aren't indicative of skill, lets look at S2. He's undefeated against oz's 4 best players (JD, hiya, killer, PM). Not even one loss. Jaedong at least beats fantasy and bisu SOME of the time, he should really be practicing his ZvZ hard. Edit: oops, forgot about fox's train wreck of a protoss line, so third worst. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/50671_Calm_vs_JangBi (also see the second Jaedong vs Jangbi on Aztec as many of the above problems on Circuit also apply to Aztec ((Protoss also has to deal with potential positional imba with drops into main ie zerg spawns at 9 and protoss spawns at 12 which can really end the protoss if they try to take the highground ramp by minonly for third gas as well as ridges that are perfect for lurker swarm to just starve the Protoss out)) and Calm essentially copied what JD did and Jangbi later said that he lost to "an unbeatable strat" after the Calm game) | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
I think that thirds are hard to take, but they are hard to take on most of the maps. La mancha and benzene have third gasses in similar locations, with similar choke structures. You had said that aztec has a hard third gas, and the third gas on benzene is even farther away than any of the others. So that leaves only fortress and blody ridge with "easy" third gasses (and even bloody ridge is only slightly easier imo). Even pods are not unique to circuit breaker ( BR, LM, benzene and EotS). If the protoss is losing units on the double bridges, something has gone wrong because those are just death traps in any MU that are only compounded by lurker splash and goon AI. So, yea there are things that make it hard, but not harder than the other maps (other than fortress which has none of the stuff you talked about). | ||
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n.Die_Ardi
Peru8 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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Yurie
11818 Posts
firebathero Iris Also did pretty decently for being part of ACE. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
I really hope Jaedong gets back his killer stare and shows some muta-tasking(vs Upmagic on BS?!!!) again! | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On April 02 2011 16:47 Yurie wrote: You should have mentioned best team to bet on. Airforce ACE. 0 cost, 2 points. Losing nothing in cost and gaining score. Overall Ace was a decent team to bet on their players in, not good, but not horrible either. Sadly I had a wonderful anti team, them on my main team would have made my score much better. ^^ firebathero Iris Also did pretty decently for being part of ACE. Wasting a spot on your team to get 2 points is defenitely not worth it... | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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moopie
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Yurie
11818 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:03 swanized wrote: Wasting a spot on your team to get 2 points is defenitely not worth it... Well the winner went -1 on his team. Which cost points. ^^ Getting two points for no cost is worth it if you get a better player for it. Sadly I suck at this so I can't use it. :/ | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On April 03 2011 22:56 Yurie wrote: Well the winner went -1 on his team. Which cost points. ^^ Getting two points for no cost is worth it if you get a better player for it. Sadly I suck at this so I can't use it. :/ Yeah but the winner traded Hwaseung for Samsung after hwaseung earned him 57 points... | ||
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Arrowsun
United States55 Posts
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webessay
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