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[TSL] Qualifier #2 Recap

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[TSL] Qualifier #2 Recap

Text byHeyoka
January 16th, 2011 23:11 GMT

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Love him or hate him, you can't deny that (P)Empire.Naniwa is one of the strongest players in the world today. He sky-rocketed to fame after he became the first person to win three Zotac Cups back to back during the beta, using an extremely powerful 4 Gate build. Infamous for his bm, he was also nicknamed "Naniwahhh". As time went on, he was pegged as a one trick pony and some even referred to him as "Onebaseiwa" since he would play one base every game. Knowing that this style wouldn't work forever, Naniwa carefully re-evaluated his play once SC2 was released and began to work on a style which didn't revolve around the power of the 4 Gate. He eventually settled on a reactionary style which encompassed strong defensive macro play at it's core - for instance he used play 3Gate Robo Observer into an immediate expansion in PvT - a very flexible opening system.

During his rebuilding, his results suffered and he dipped slightly from the public eye. Nevertheless, he managed to perform well in the EPS before being disqualified due to accumulating too many penalty points. Since then, Naniwa's play has transformed into something magnificent. Nani's bm has been substantially reduced and his play resembles nothing of his 4Gating days. He is a straight up and solid Protoss with a flexible system of openings for every matchup. When you watch his games, it is clear that Nani is the better player from how to controls the game and consistently makes excellent decisions. It is these traits which allowed him to dominate the field in our second PokerStrategy.com TSL3 Qualifier.

We got a moment to talk to Nani after his victory:


Invasion of the Empire
An interview with Empire.Naniwa

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TeamLiquid: Congratulations! You qualified for the PokerStrategy TSL3. How do you feel?

Empire.Naniwa: I feel amazingly good after hearing about how popular this tournament was in Brood War and I'm excited to be a part of it in SC2 ^^

TeamLiquid: Give us a little background about your RTS history.

Empire.Naniwa: I used to play warcraft 3, in the teams MTW, then later fnatic. I didn't play so many LANs because of school and could therefore not put in the hours needed to be a top notch player. My only noticeable achievment would be Top3 Gamegune Spain. Before this I didn't play any other RTS.

TeamLiquid: How would you describe your play style? What are your strengths and weaknesses? Best matchups / worst matchups?

Empire.Naniwa: My playstyle is just being able to read my opponents and acting on what I see. I think my strength is my decision making. Best matchup - Zerg, worst Protoss.

TeamLiquid: Many fans know about your disqualification from German EPS. Anything you want to say about that situation?

Empire.Naniwa: I will make it short, since I mainly want to forget about this and better myself for the future, and never let such things happen again. Basically I wasn't informed of the rules as the manager ( Sunny ) was fired and they didnt find a new one. My German is very bad and the rules are not in English. This resulted in some penalty points early on and later I forgot to upload a replay which resulted in me getting above the border for maximum penalty points.

TeamLiquid: You've made more positive headlines recently. Many people speculated you were "MeatyOwlLegs," the account at the top of the Global ladder with an 80% winrate. Was this you? How did you achieve such a high rating?

Empire.Nani: Basically, I asked around to my friends for a unused account so i could practice in peace without people knowings its me. And I just got better and better the more I played, gaining alot of consistency which seems to have really helped me now later on in tournaments.

TeamLiquid: You seem to do particularly well in long tournaments. You finished Top 4 in the last TL open and now you won this one. How did you feel after your loss last week and what was your plan throughout these TSL qualifiers?

Empire.Naniwa: I felt cheated out of the win last tourney because I know that if I play my best I can beat anyone. I made the huge mistake of being satisfied with a Top 4 spot before I even played my game vs Kas. But my plan is always to win, no matter what tournament I enter, and my mindset is just to take one round at a time.

TeamLiquid: Your teammate Empire.Kas won the last TSL3 Qualifier. How is your team? Do you guys practice together often?

Empire.Naniwa: Our team is kind of spread out. I'm Swedish and he's Ukrainian, so we don't really talk a lot or practice, so it doesnt really feel like we´re teammate in that aspect. But management wise the team is great and have done everything they promised me so far.

TeamLiquid: You won the semis and finals relatively easily, were there difficult times during this tournament? Or was it surprisingly smooth to get through and qualify?

Empire.Naniwa: I was pretty close to losing to an SCV allin in Round 6 or 7 against Swu. but other than that I felt that everything went the way I planned.

TeamLiquid: Now that you've qualified, are you excited to play against the other TSL players?

Empire.Naniwa: I am extremely excited about the main tournament. I haven't really seen or heard who the other players are except for there being Koreans as well. I am very eager to measure my skill with the koreans

TeamLiquid: Are you a student right now? What are your goals for SC2? Do you have plans to travel to Korea? What do you want to get out of SC2?

Empire.Naniwa: Right now I'm not a student, I have had some motivational issues after leaving Germany but those are all over now. I would love to be professional full time but for this game but I don't think this is possible at the moment. If I can go to Korea, I will go for it. No doubts there. My Goal is to go to Korea and become the best player.

TeamLiquid: Any last words to fans or teammates?

Empire.Naniwa: I want to thank every fan who has supported me, I really appreciate the support. I also want to say that I hope I can change from being known as a "bad-mannered" player to instead be known as just a good player. I know it will take time for people to believe I'm serious and forgive the stupid deeds I've done, but I hope in time people can overlook my faults in the past and aim for the future

Also shout out to team Empire, The Swedish community and Bischu / forsen / Sjow. / David.

TeamLiquid: Best of luck in the TSL.

Empire.Naniwa: Thanks.

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A snapshot of Nani's prolonged success in SC2

Of course, there are some invitations which are not included in the above graphic. Naniwa's play has been truly exceptional of late, and in particular he has reached the Winner Bracket final in Takesen's HomeStory Cup II where he will play White-Ra. Naniwa was also the first person to reach 4000 points on the ladder under the account "MeatyOwlLegs", a feat usually reserved for the Korean server. In addition to this, he was also the first person on the NA server to hit 3000 points. There can be no doubt that Nani belongs in the TSL - he is one of the best of the best. Let's take a quick look at one of his games from the PokerStrategy.com TSL3 Qualifier from today just to see how solid his game play is:


Naniwa vs KawaiiRice

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Naniwa warped in as the green Protoss at 2 while KawaiiRice set up camp at 12, the map being Scrap Station. Kawaii had played the same build in the previous two games – a marine/tank/raven push off of one base into expansion. As such it was fairly likely that Kawaii would play the same build once again, despite the architecture of Scrap Station not being as favourable as other maps for that style. Naniwa open standardly – gate core zeal warp gate – and began chronoboosting his Cybernetics Core. Despite not taking his 2nd gas, Naniwa didn’t add any more gateways – indicating that he was just going to pressure with some units while taking an expansion rather than going his ‘traditional’ 4 gate. Meanwhile Kawaii was executing the same build again – rax fact bunker reactor port – it remained to be seen whether Nani had figured out how to defeat it.

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Kawaii began his first banshee (without cloak) while Nani took his expansion. Just as the banshee completed Nani poked in with his modest force but upon seeing two bunkers he retreated, but managed to sneak a scouting Zealot into Kawaii’s main to see that he was doing the same build as the previous two games. Kawaii’s banshee was unable to do any damage, as the moment Nani engaged the ramp he warped in two Stalkers into his mineral line to deflect the pesky air unit. Unable to do anything with his banshee, Kawaii opted to change things up and expand – and so the game settled into a macro war.

Kawaii prepared to for a Tank/Marine/Raven midgame while Naniwa warped in a Robotics bay signalling his intention to go Colossus/Gateway. Since Kawaii’s build was unable to kill any probes, and the fact that Kawaii skipped a few SCVs to get everything out in time (in case Nani was 4gating), he had ended up behind in peons – he was about 10 workers behind after accounting for MULEs. Knowing this, he gathered up his 2 banshees and went to harass – Nani however was prepared and had a cannon complete just in time, making Kawaii’s harass attempt mostly useless; he was only able to kill 3 probes.

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The news wasn’t all bad for Kawaii, despite being behind in workers we was still even in army. Given the cost effectiveness of Tanks, he still had a fairly good chance. But if he couldn’t even up the worker count he would only have one push, and if that failed the game would be over since Nani’s superior economy would allow him to reproduce far better than him. He had researched Blue Flame and prepared a drop, and went for a drop in Nani’s main in an attempt to square things up. 4 Hellions dropped in, and they were able to take out about 7 probes before Nani’s growing Colossus/Stalker/Zealot ball crushed them. Kawaii now was only around 3 peons behind (after MULEs) – the match was evening up.

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Nani took the initiative and was the first to take his third at around 100 supply. The game settled for a bit as both sides took time to grow their armies. Nani however, was also adding upgrades and was researching +2 attack and Charge while adding a Templar Archives. Since Kawaii was slightly behind and had very few Vikings, Nani knew that he would be able to successful add Templars to his army and in doing so would likely be able to clinch the game. Kawaii readied another Hellion drop and went after more probes, but a second cannon drastically reduced the effectiveness of the harass and once again Kawaii was unable to kill more than a handful of probes.

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The supplies however, were now dead even – 153 a piece – and their army values were slightly tipped in Kawaii’s favour. Nevertheless, Templars has started to warp in and Storm had just finished researching. At 170 supply it was time for Kawaii to move out – and his fearsome Tank/Marine/Viking army marched forward and occupied the Xel`Naga Watchtower. But with no third in sight, this push had to deal significant damage.

Nani positioned his forces, and engaged – cleverly sending 3 Zealots ahead to soak tank fire. With all of Kawaii’s firepower being wasted on Nani’s chargelots – Nani’s Colossus and Templar were free to get significant amounts of damage off. Two deadly storms later, and Kawaii’s expensive army was completely crushed. Not even two PDDs could halt the onslaught as Nani ploughed ahead. The only thing working in Kawaii’s favour was that he was able to reduce Nani’s Colossus count to 1 – but with Templar in play it was a hollow victory.

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Kawaii had built a fresh Command Center, which he loaded up with SCVs and floated to the island – there was no way he could take his normal third since Nani had map control after winning the major fight. Nani took advantage of the fact he had map control by occupying the Xel`Naga Watchtower and expanding to the Gold base (which would further increase his economic lead). Kawaii had another group of Hellions go harass Nani’s natural – but some instant warp ins were able to save move of his probes and once again Kawaii could only grab a handful of probes.

Nani now had a 20 supply advantage and an 3 fully mining bases to Kawaiis 1 and island (which was poorly saturated). The situation was looking dire for Kawaii. He had a fresh Command Center ready to float into his third and as such positioned his tanks and units around the back of the minerals as to reduce the effectiveness of Nani’s chargelots. Nani knew he Kawaii had moved into position, and prepared to break his tank line. Lines of chargelots flooded in, soaking Tank fire and cutting through the cold metal of Kawaii’s tanks. Nani’s advantages had reached the tipping point, and there wasn’t anything Kawaii could do to remain in the game – he tapped out.

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This game demonstrates how Naniwa has completely changed his playstyle from the beta. He's playing excellent and careful Starcraft, he gained a small economic advantage and he didn't let that go despite Kawaii's continuous harass - the mark of a truly well rounded and skilled player. Even in his battles he was engaging wisely - always letting his Zealots take the Tank fire saving his Colossus from unnecessary damage. An outstanding game from Nani, and a very well played game by Kawaii as well.

You can see Nani's other games either by downloading the reppack from this thread or checking out Chill and DJWheat's commentary of the Semifinals and Finals which will be available shortly on our YouTube Channel.

The TSL Qualifier Leaderboard has been updated to reflect the results of TSL Qualifier #2. Ciara and Goody share top spot with 100 points each - with Naniwa removed from the leaderboard the chances of Ciara and Goody making the cut off have increased quite a bit. Naniwa was the only person to finish in the Top16 in both TSLs which suggests that these TSL Qualifiers are the hardest TL Opens yet; two semifinal appearances may just be enough to see you through to the main tournament!

Don't give up hope yet everyone, you still have your chance to qualifier for the PokerStrategy.com TSL. The next TSL Qualifier will be held on the NA Server on Saturday, Jan 22 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) - perhaps you will be the next person to qualify!

Best of luck.


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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 16 2011 23:27 GMT
#2
Good job Naniwa! Great to see you got the chance after our talk, and even greater to see that you've taken that chance in the best possible fashion. Train hard and do well in TSL3!
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
January 16 2011 23:27 GMT
#3
So exited for TSL3, shame we have to wait that long
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S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
January 16 2011 23:29 GMT
#4
I liked his comment about trying to change and move away from his BM reputation. Good luck in the TSL, Naniwa!
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
January 16 2011 23:30 GMT
#5
Naniwa is/was kind of an asshole in the past.. but he is very skilled. Great job man and good interview.

Empire is lookin good too daaamn
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
January 16 2011 23:31 GMT
#6
Great recap and nice interview. Im not ashamed to say that I've been one of those who've really disliked Naniwa for his former attitude, but if he's true of the change in manner then I might, MIGHT, forgive him for it. But im in no denying his skill. He's surely one of the best Europeans as of late and he continues to show really strong performances. I wish him good luck for the future career
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 16 2011 23:41 GMT
#7
Well done Naniwa. Good luck in the TSL.
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
January 16 2011 23:49 GMT
#8
Love the interviews after every Open, really hyping up TSL3 for me. Naniwa did well in this interview, I'm sure he made some new fans.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
January 16 2011 23:53 GMT
#9
Really hope he preforms well in this tournament and gets an invite to the GSL, bar white-ra i think hes definitely the best preforming foreign toss at the moment and hes eager to go, also i dont think he will ever stop 4gating he understands the game too well not to:D
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
January 16 2011 23:58 GMT
#10
Naniwa played extremely well yesterday.
Good Luck in the TSL
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MrPello
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden187 Posts
January 17 2011 00:06 GMT
#11
Yeah, really good games both days. TSL will be awesome!
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
January 17 2011 00:08 GMT
#12
A great player who has a bad reputation that hes put behind him gotta respect that, as a protoss player i love watching him as hes so solid now. Will be great to see how he does in the actual TSL (so pumped for TSL)
grats
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States184 Posts
January 17 2011 00:19 GMT
#13
Go naniwa!!!! You showed good game!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#14
Naniwa is a really good player, definitely deserves his win and spot in the TSL. Great job man, keep it up!
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debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
January 17 2011 00:36 GMT
#15
It really seems like he changed a lot. I always kinda liked him and his style, so grats to him :D
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2011 00:45 GMT
#16
Interview definitely paints him in a different light. He seems almost likable now. XD
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universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
January 17 2011 00:49 GMT
#17
no doubt he played extremely well yesterday. i was impressed by how clean and polished his play was.

and i'm glad he's trying to move away from his BM image. he sticks to his word, i'm more than willing to change my opinion of him.
bLuR
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada625 Posts
January 17 2011 00:52 GMT
#18
love u nani <3
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
January 17 2011 00:53 GMT
#19
I'm glad he's talking about changing his attitude. If he's serious about it and he sticks to his word, I'm willing to forgive him for his past BM.
I'd always avoided watching his games because of said BM - but I'll definitely check out his TSL games now.

Gl in the TSL. ^^
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
January 17 2011 00:54 GMT
#20
Wow, he's really changed, both his play style and his overall approach to the game.
Damn, I'm a fan.
hi. big fan.
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
January 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#21
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MeatyOwlLegs.....?

Meaty owl legs.... What a name!

Very good write up. I have to admit that I'm very new to the competative SC scene, so I haven't heard of this player. This write-up really makes me like him. Lord knows, I like to BM a little bit when I've fired myself up! Just keep doing what you're doing. Really pleased to hear another good long-macro player is out and about. Its a sign of the times, and I think that SC2 is finally evolving into the next stage where macro is the more popular style.
Play the games!
TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
January 17 2011 01:24 GMT
#22
Holy crap he's top of the world ladder. and an 80% win rate is crazy.
He sounds so sincere when he said he wanted to change his attitude, and hes adapted such a great style.
I hope he does well in TSL, because im his newest fan
You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
January 17 2011 01:38 GMT
#23
congrats naniwa, really nice job yesterday
mappiechampion
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden155 Posts
January 17 2011 01:49 GMT
#24
You deserve it Naniwa, now win TSL and then go to GSL and prove all the haters wrong!
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
January 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#25
GJ Nani!
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AkobeS
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden25 Posts
January 17 2011 02:02 GMT
#26
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Nani!
Great interview, good job!
Thanks for the wonderfull writeup, this tour sure as hell will be awesome!
he droon droon me win
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
January 17 2011 02:13 GMT
#27
I think he deserves a shot in korea. Due to the language barrier he can't bm the koreans so easily :D
MousecL1ck1
Profile Joined January 2011
187 Posts
January 17 2011 02:36 GMT
#28
He has changed his attitude drastically, we are going to see beastly play by Naniwa.
Counting clouds just floating by ~
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
January 17 2011 02:36 GMT
#29
Wow, Nani should go to Korea right now. The window is now, he's at the top now. I say go there while you have momentum and build upon your amazing talent with a Korean practice regimen and talent pool for practice partners.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 17 2011 04:42 GMT
#30
Love the interview; great to see his mature response to what happened in the ESL - i think he just converted me i look forward to seeing more from you Mr. Wa
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 17 2011 04:47 GMT
#31
On January 17 2011 13:42 bkrow wrote:
Love the interview; great to see his mature response to what happened in the ESL - i think he just converted me i look forward to seeing more from you Mr. Wa


Same here. Wasn't a fan but am definitely warming up to him.
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netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
January 17 2011 05:09 GMT
#32
Glad to see that he's trying to move away from his old BM attitude, he's been improving as a player since his eps/mym incident. I'm happy for him.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
January 17 2011 07:18 GMT
#33
Man, I used to think that Nani was just some other BM kid out there. But after reading this interview, I really think he has made a change for the better :D.

GL in the TSL, and I hope that one day you make it Korea!
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jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
January 17 2011 07:22 GMT
#34
Congratulations Naniwa. You played very well, also 2 europeans in top 2, in TLOpen US. He had a really nice run in HomeCup also, but White-Ra has a really good pvp. Anyhow you are one of the best in EURO and like i said in other topic, for the next Code A tournament you should receive a spot in the 4 foreigners.
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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 17 2011 07:54 GMT
#35
I actually like his playstyle now.
Dear Sixsmith...
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany818 Posts
January 17 2011 08:05 GMT
#36
Yay, grats to Nani ! Awesome player, and i also liked his insight while co-casting some smaller tourneys (which really surprised me as i saw it the first time, but Nani commentating on protoss games is just really great because you get a really good insight into timings/generell strats... and during his commentaries you could really get a glimpse of his great game understanding).
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Thezzphai
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1145 Posts
January 17 2011 08:17 GMT
#37
On January 17 2011 11:36 0neder wrote:
Wow, Nani should go to Korea right now. The window is now, he's at the top now. I say go there while you have momentum and build upon your amazing talent with a Korean practice regimen and talent pool for practice partners.

I second that. The longer he waits the harder it will get. I'd really like to see him in Korea, better sooner than later
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
January 17 2011 09:53 GMT
#38
On January 17 2011 17:17 Thezzphai wrote:
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On January 17 2011 11:36 0neder wrote:
Wow, Nani should go to Korea right now. The window is now, he's at the top now. I say go there while you have momentum and build upon your amazing talent with a Korean practice regimen and talent pool for practice partners.

I second that. The longer he waits the harder it will get. I'd really like to see him in Korea, better sooner than later


Indeed. I wonder if Empire has the funds to send him there though? And if he wants to himself?
I do believe that the new gom thingy with a foreigner practice house would suit him perfectly though. Hope he can keep back the BM though, as it'd probably be even less appreciated among koreans ^^
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Hellspawnl
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden103 Posts
January 17 2011 10:06 GMT
#39
Naniwa best SC2-player EU
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debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
January 17 2011 11:19 GMT
#40
EG should contract Naniwa
Hushfield
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium80 Posts
January 17 2011 11:47 GMT
#41
Aha! I was wondering who this MeatyOwlLegs was (apart from the creator of the funniest id to date). Congrats to Naniwa for qualifying.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 17 2011 12:46 GMT
#42
Gratz naniwa.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
January 17 2011 13:22 GMT
#43
the man deserves respect. and i say this as a person who used to highly dislike his public attitude and therefore the whole person. but he is being sincere with "changing" and no doubt is very talented. so gogo naniwa
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DennyR
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany379 Posts
January 17 2011 14:02 GMT
#44
I liked him before because he and socke were the only 2 protosses in europe with real skill. Now I really love him. gz Naniwa and good luck in the future!
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
January 17 2011 14:51 GMT
#45
On January 17 2011 20:19 debasers wrote:
EG should contract Naniwa


Indeed! That'd be awesome.
EGNaniwa. And if he'd get the foreigner spot in GSL, tasteless would have another guy he can say is in his team xD
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
January 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#46
Empire.Naniwa: I want to thank every fan who has supported me, I really appreciate the support.

Like at the IEM when that lone fan of you wanted to take a picture with you and you told him to "Fuck off" ?
Sorry, he might be a good player but he is and will always be a BM, selfcenterd person that gives a shit about his fans/community.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
January 17 2011 16:41 GMT
#47
i feel GREAT that a team like empire are in this tournament twice perhaps i think there are even more players could make it.

its a team with a VERY interesting lineup! they not just take STARS its like they took players like kas because they see them improve fast and be their big future
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Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
January 17 2011 17:29 GMT
#48
I really hope getting kicked from the EPS and the hatestorm he got was a wakeup call for him.

Looking at him play in TSL and homestory cup really impressed me. It wasnt only good builds and strong agression, but he seemed to have a very good gamesence when his builds were countered well, and he managed to turn a dire looking situation into a win. In my eyes a top-3 protoss, maybe even second best after White-ra, in Europe at the moment.
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stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 18:05:53
January 17 2011 18:04 GMT
#49
actually, he didn't leave the EPS because he didn't upload a replay.

He left because he was over the limit (by not uploading replays, and such stuff) +
he didn't attend to an EPS game he had to play against Goody without excusing himself.

+ i think the TSL 3 has a really big problem ..

with 12 top koreans invited ... the top 12 will most likely be the 12 koreans we saw it in the kaspersky invitational .. were europe proudly lost every bo3 xD
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 17 2011 18:25 GMT
#50
On January 18 2011 03:04 stillborn wrote:
actually, he didn't leave the EPS because he didn't upload a replay.

He left because he was over the limit (by not uploading replays, and such stuff) +
he didn't attend to an EPS game he had to play against Goody without excusing himself.

+ i think the TSL 3 has a really big problem ..

with 12 top koreans invited ... the top 12 will most likely be the 12 koreans we saw it in the kaspersky invitational .. were europe proudly lost every bo3 xD


He didn't say that it was only because of one replay.
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
January 17 2011 20:17 GMT
#51
Congrats to (P)NaNiwa and Team Empire for having 2 qualifying members for the TSL3!
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
January 17 2011 21:13 GMT
#52
Always good to see people maturing, no reason he couldn't be an esteemed member of the community in the future.
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shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
January 17 2011 21:22 GMT
#53
On January 18 2011 01:07 MetalSlug wrote:
Show nested quote +
Empire.Naniwa: I want to thank every fan who has supported me, I really appreciate the support.

Like at the IEM when that lone fan of you wanted to take a picture with you and you told him to "Fuck off" ?
Sorry, he might be a good player but he is and will always be a BM, selfcenterd person that gives a shit about his fans/community.


That sounds pretty fucked up, is that true?
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
January 17 2011 21:49 GMT
#54
new Naniwa fan for sure

gl hf in TSL3
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
January 17 2011 22:32 GMT
#55
I won't jump on the bandwagon that quick, words are easy, time will tell if he really means it.

How can you possibly support him if it's true what MetalSlug posted? Acting bm online is bad, but offline it's absolutely unacceptable
Arpe
Profile Joined May 2010
202 Posts
January 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#56
Time will tell if really has done a 180 im terms of BM. Hes is definitely skilled i will give him that.
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
January 18 2011 00:24 GMT
#57
Congratz nani!! You played reallllly well, and definitely deserved this win
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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
January 18 2011 13:15 GMT
#58
Bad mannered, in starcraft context, usually means poor loser. People that get very angry when they lose and some of that rage overflows onto their opponents in the form of BM.

I'm sure Naniwa (and the other poster child for BM, Idra) are nice and mannered guys IRL. But not so nice after a game where you cheesed them to win

They get mad after losing, mostly on themselves, but they also vent their rage upon their opponents. They rationalize why they lose, like blaming imbalance, cheesy tactics, abusive play. Even when there is no reason except the BM-players own mistakes and the random variance in the game in form of attack timings and blind BO counters etc, they still take it out on their opponents. I'm thinking of the famous idra quotes: "Isn't it funny, you won without doing a single thing" and "you win by doing stupid shit; fucking skilless newbie".

But it's also their hatred for losing that drives them to be so good at this game.

I have friends that are poor losers, and I just smile and let them vent whenever I beat them in something.
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
January 18 2011 21:58 GMT
#59
On January 18 2011 01:07 MetalSlug wrote:
Show nested quote +
Empire.Naniwa: I want to thank every fan who has supported me, I really appreciate the support.

Like at the IEM when that lone fan of you wanted to take a picture with you and you told him to "Fuck off" ?
Sorry, he might be a good player but he is and will always be a BM, selfcenterd person that gives a shit about his fans/community.


hey at least give him a chance to change. Maybe he is sincere in his words.. time will tell.
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