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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I was always impressed how the hero was able to beat some guys with like 3-4 handicaps attached.  Though as was mentioned before, the skill gap isn't that great yet, so stuff like 'no MULE' or 'no reactors' could pretty much devastate the hero. (no MULE much more than no reactors of course  )I for one would like a come back of these features. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 22 2010 12:15 disformation wrote: Also: what happened to the randomized handicaps? I was always impressed how the hero was able to beat some guys with like 3-4 handicaps attached. Though as was mentioned before, the skill gap isn't that great yet, so stuff like 'no MULE' or 'no reactors' could pretty much devastate the hero. (no MULE much more than no reactors of course )I for one would like a come back of these features. That was TL Arena...this is TL Attack, they are different. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Gdarkness
United States40 Posts
I mean, if he goes mass ghost on you, what can you do? There is no response. It's just over. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 22 2010 12:59 lac29 wrote: I guess it's a silly expectation but it would have been nice to see more wins from qxc. Still I like how he actually talked (not like nony) and even took the jabs from incontrol and chill. He was def a good sport about it. but he did completely ridiculous strats right from the start man, maaaaad respect for that nony actually tried until he got an advantage then went from there. feedback ummm more questions for QXC! or whoever you have on, they're the star they need to be harassed all the time. encourage the star to random or offrace at least once especially if you are aware the person they're playing against is bad/not the smurf try to force them to use any unused/underused features of the game (though you guys did push for this often enough, it is sadly harder for a terran to get funky) | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
I'd rather see more of the nony method of doing TLA where you play normally to get an advantage and then try something fun/silly. Also I got a feeling, at least early on in this TLA, that qxc was like, "ok ..." with the jabs about Terran etc. It was more like awkwardness imo. | ||
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damon2400
United States172 Posts
Oh and some of us appreciate all the sc1 references. Thanks TL tech, Chill, qxc and incontrol. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:24 Luddite wrote: It's pretty lame when the guest tries to do some wacky strategy and epically fails at it. I mean, I know he's trying to show off how good he is by beating noobs in an entertaining way, but when it backfires and he loses to the noobs, it just looks like 2 silver league players going at it. It should be a prerequisite that the guests are good enough to actually win most of their games. ... What? If qxc isn't good enough to be on this show then you standards are absurd. | ||
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Deindar
United States302 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:31 Chill wrote: ... What? If qxc isn't good enough to be on this show then you standards are absurd. luddite, wtf??? have you even watched any of qxc's tournament matches. he's one of, if not THE best terrans on the american servers. watch his games against IntoTheRainbow in the king of the beta tournament. incredible. oh, and loved all the ridiculous strats even if they failed + chill and incontrol were phenomenal as always. | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On August 22 2010 09:32 Chill wrote: Shows definitely lack something. I don't know what it is. We either need a more talkative guest or to just wait until people get better than the average players or something. I've read the suggestions and I don't feel they would solve the problem. edit: I Missed this so I was watching the vods This took A LOT of effort for me to watch and I really wanted to watch it because I was on vent with Kevin when he was trying to think up stuff to do. Theres a few things in particular The stream had no tabs open just leave it on production the whole time or something so we can see what hte other player is doing since they tended to focus on the star which is fine. qxc didn't feel like he was the star, Incontrol kind of dominated the entire thing, and by this before he showed up with his mic being borked qxc was having fun and talking a lot and cracking jokes but the instant incontrol showed up and started constantly making fun of him for everything he said and did he just shut down. Then Incontrol tried to get him to talk more by making fun of him more so he stopped talking even more it was kind of a vicious cycle and hard to watch. I feel like the guest should be the star of the show but Incontrol was trying too hard to be the star :/ If you were using vent please don't because there were issues with not being able to hear when you guys tried to talk at the same time which the few times that qxc did try to talk I couldn't hear him because incontrol was talking at the same time that kind of thing. qxc was trying to do fun things but you guys kept focusing too much on how is this isn't going to work which takes away a lot of the suspense of knowing what he's going to do ahead of time then telling us it wont work. It's kind of like why are we watching then? | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:31 Chill wrote: ... What? If qxc isn't good enough to be on this show then you standards are absurd. I meant, good enough to win even the games where they're using ridiculous strategies. The first game was like, "oh wow an scv rush i wonder how this will turn out? Oh, it turns out that qxc got his ass kicked by a complete noob." There was no chance that could have ever worked against anyone who has played the game before. For me the most entertaining show was the one with TLO doing placement matches, since not only did he use rediculous strategies, but it was clear that he put some thought into them and actually made them work. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:56 Luddite wrote: I meant, good enough to win even the games where they're using ridiculous strategies. The first game was like, "oh wow an scv rush i wonder how this will turn out? Oh, it turns out that qxc got his ass kicked by a complete noob." There was no chance that could have ever worked against anyone who has played the game before. For me the most entertaining show was the one with TLO doing placement matches, since not only did he use rediculous strategies, but it was clear that he put some thought into them and actually made them work. Those strategies only work in placement cuz you get matched vs bronze players who have never really played the game effectively. THe thing about TLA in Broodwar was the players knew the game kind of they just weren't good at it. Go watch some of the old episodes they were trying to do proper builds but the other player just had way better mechanics and that's tougher to do in sc2 unless you bring in just bronze players. And if every player is bronze then the suspense of "OH will this work?" is gone. It becomes oh what can I bash people with today? It's actually pretty difficult to set up a good TLA and seeing as this is their second try with the new game cut them some slack. | ||
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SentrySteve
United States71 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:56 Luddite wrote: I meant, good enough to win even the games where they're using ridiculous strategies. The first game was like, "oh wow an scv rush i wonder how this will turn out? Oh, it turns out that qxc got his ass kicked by a complete noob." There was no chance that could have ever worked against anyone who has played the game before. For me the most entertaining show was the one with TLO doing placement matches, since not only did he use rediculous strategies, but it was clear that he put some thought into them and actually made them work. It's like you didn't listen to the start of the stream. They pretty much told qxc to not worry about winning and just do crazy things since Tyler was too concerned about winning and not putting on a show. The point is to put on a show of a lifetime. Your lifetime. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:59 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Those strategies only work in placement cuz you get matched vs bronze players who have never really played the game effectively. THe thing about TLA in Broodwar was the players knew the game kind of they just weren't good at it. Go watch some of the old episodes they were trying to do proper builds but the other player just had way better mechanics and that's tougher to do in sc2 unless you bring in just bronze players. And if every player is bronze then the suspense of "OH will this work?" is gone. It becomes oh what can I bash people with today? It's actually pretty difficult to set up a good TLA and seeing as this is their second try with the new game cut them some slack. How is it hard to find matches in SC2 where the other player sort of knows the game but doesn't have good mechanics? That's like, 99% of SC2 players right there. And strategies like carrier rush or ghost nuke rush... well they're not exactly great strategies, but at least I can see how they might possibly work. But an scv rush, or building 1 BC at a time in a TvT just... no matter how bad the opponent is I can't imagine that ever working. Even someone doing their first placement match would probably be able to beat that. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On August 22 2010 14:59 SentrySteve wrote: It's like you didn't listen to the start of the stream. They pretty much told qxc to not worry about winning and just do crazy things since Tyler was too concerned about winning and not putting on a show. The point is to put on a show of a lifetime. Your lifetime. I don't really care if he wins or not, but there should at least be a good chance of him winning. If he's just going to mess around with random nonsense then i mean... i can do that. Let's see what happens when I attack with 1 ling at a time and never build drones! Hmm didn't work? LOL that was fun, show of a lifetime lol. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:05 Luddite wrote: How is it hard to find matches in SC2 where the other player sort of knows the game but doesn't have good mechanics? That's like, 99% of SC2 players right there. And strategies like carrier rush or ghost nuke rush... well they're not exactly great strategies, but at least I can see how they might possibly work. But an scv rush, or building 1 BC at a time in a TvT just... no matter how bad the opponent is I can't imagine that ever working. Even someone doing their first placement match would probably be able to beat that. You know that guy who has 1000 wins in bronze? He starts the game sends his workers to attack and leaves (alt + tab) and he's at about a 45% winrate he did it to get the 1000 wins achievement. The problem is bronze players are BAD there is no contest in a player like qxc beating them with anything even a scv rush cuz he has better control. So you have to find that medium area inbetween. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
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SentrySteve
United States71 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:07 Luddite wrote: I don't really care if he wins or not, but there should at least be a good chance of him winning. If he's just going to mess around with random nonsense then i mean... i can do that. Let's see what happens when I attack with 1 ling at a time and never build drones! Hmm didn't work? LOL that was fun, show of a lifetime lol. Aside from the first game I think he had a pretty good shot winning all of them using the strategies he did. It's like you have standards that can't be met. I bet he would have won the first game if the player was different, say the one on the drop map. btw, Tinax, great point. | ||
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