EPT[OSL] Round of 36, Week 4 - Page 3
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
This OSL is pretty packed and all the groups should be kickass. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:05 dabom88 wrote: Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Not to mention competition from other Dragon types like Latias and Garchomp. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash to be Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. I also think the main reasons people use Rayquaza should deserve Mention. Stuff like Dragon Dance (+1 Attack +1 Speed) is comparable Jaedong's ability to attack Powerfully and Quickly. And Draco Meteor is comparable to throwing a HUGE force at once. I don't think anyone ever used Dodrio, and as far as I'm concerned, just about everyone picked Charmander for Charizard so another Flying type wasn't necessary. Either Charizard, or me being weird with Aerodactyl. Fearow might be fast, but it's not obviously, not as fast as Electric types which will most likely kill it due to Fearow being rather fragile. Dragonite and Salamence both have the same base stats, with Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Metagross. And Salamence's existence is not why it hasn't supposedly 'fallen out of flavor'. Generation III and Generation IV games before HG/SS hasn't exactly had the Dragonite family in their regional Pokedex, which makes it unavailable. It hasn't even fallen out of flavor, people still use them competitively and for in-game purposes. If FlaSh is Kyogre, Jaedong is Groudon, and EffOrt is Rayquaza. If you think of one rivalry for FlaSh, it's a clear winner for Jaedong. And with Kyogre and Groudon "battling" when they meet, Rayquaza is there to clear things up; in this case, EffOrt clears things up letting both of them know that he's there and that they should pay attention to him more (or something...) | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
 Heaven knows I don't have the time... You guys suck. .... joking joking... | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Storkuuu~ | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
thanks guys | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
I am really happy that Stork advanced and wuuut Hydra advanced too - gotta watch those games when i get time for it I never understood the whole pokemon thing, nobody i ever known was into it, maybe except some little kids. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On July 21 2010 23:34 SynC[gm] wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 15:05 dabom88 wrote: Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Not to mention competition from other Dragon types like Latias and Garchomp. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash to be Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. I also think the main reasons people use Rayquaza should deserve Mention. Stuff like Dragon Dance (+1 Attack +1 Speed) is comparable Jaedong's ability to attack Powerfully and Quickly. And Draco Meteor is comparable to throwing a HUGE force at once. I don't think anyone ever used Dodrio, and as far as I'm concerned, just about everyone picked Charmander for Charizard so another Flying type wasn't necessary. Either Charizard, or me being weird with Aerodactyl. Fearow might be fast, but it's not obviously, not as fast as Electric types which will most likely kill it due to Fearow being rather fragile. Dragonite and Salamence both have the same base stats, with Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Metagross. And Salamence's existence is not why it hasn't supposedly 'fallen out of flavor'. Generation III and Generation IV games before HG/SS hasn't exactly had the Dragonite family in their regional Pokedex, which makes it unavailable. It hasn't even fallen out of flavor, people still use them competitively and for in-game purposes. If FlaSh is Kyogre, Jaedong is Groudon, and EffOrt is Rayquaza. If you think of one rivalry for FlaSh, it's a clear winner for Jaedong. And with Kyogre and Groudon "battling" when they meet, Rayquaza is there to clear things up; in this case, EffOrt clears things up letting both of them know that he's there and that they should pay attention to him more (or something...) 1. Dodrio is the best normal/flying type combination, so he's right. 2. Dragonite has a lower base speed but i think he has higher base defenses. also, his ability is much less useful than salamence (dragonite:inner focus, salamence:intimidate) 3. In G3 rayquaza is easily the worst of the three. swords dance groudon rockslide will rape rayquaza, and drought owns kyogre (even in drizzle, a swords dance EQ groudon is faster and also can 2hko kyogre, whilst kyogre can only 2hko with surf in drizzle) needless to say, kyogre ice beam owns rayquaza | ||
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XFire
United States131 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: Jaedong is RAYQUAZA! This made the article for me. XD | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
Jaedong should've definitely been Tyranitar. The 2nd ballerest dragon Pokemon. Also acceptable would've been Nidoking! | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On July 21 2010 23:34 SynC[gm] wrote: I don't think anyone ever used Dodrio, and as far as I'm concerned, just about everyone picked Charmander for Charizard so another Flying type wasn't necessary. Either Charizard, or me being weird with Aerodactyl. Fearow might be fast, but it's not obviously, not as fast as Electric types which will most likely kill it due to Fearow being rather fragile. Dragonite and Salamence both have the same base stats, with Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Metagross. And Salamence's existence is not why it hasn't supposedly 'fallen out of flavor'. Generation III and Generation IV games before HG/SS hasn't exactly had the Dragonite family in their regional Pokedex, which makes it unavailable. It hasn't even fallen out of flavor, people still use them competitively and for in-game purposes. If FlaSh is Kyogre, Jaedong is Groudon, and EffOrt is Rayquaza. If you think of one rivalry for FlaSh, it's a clear winner for Jaedong. And with Kyogre and Groudon "battling" when they meet, Rayquaza is there to clear things up; in this case, EffOrt clears things up letting both of them know that he's there and that they should pay attention to him more (or something...) As saltywet pointed out, though Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, T-Tar, Metagross have Base Stats that total 600 (along with Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin, and Deoxys), they have different stat distributions, with Salamence having the overall better spread of those 600 points. Salamence has the critical higher speed and a much better ability. It also has a higher Special Attack, giving it a brutal Draco Meteor and Fire Blast. It may have lower defenses, but due to its Intimidate ability, it actually takes LESS damage from physical attacks on the switch in. It has lower Special Defense, but that's rather negligible since both get pwned by Ice Beam anyway. And yes, it HAS fallen out of favor in competitive play because Salamence and Garchomp were just simply better. Hell, Flygon saw more use than it did simply because it filled a role Salamence didn't fit better, which was the problem with Dragonite. Now that Salamence and Garchomp both are Uber now, though, it'll probably see a lot more play. On July 22 2010 01:34 saltywet wrote: 1. Dodrio is the best normal/flying type combination, so he's right. Well, in Generation 1. Right now, Fearow is simply "Not horrible" when Pidgeot is. Dodrio is barely passable. All of them fall well below Staraptor and Swellow, with Staraptor being the better of the two. Togekiss and Noctowl are also Normal/Flying, but fill completely different roles than what the others are supposed to. Also, I have to agree with saltywet, Rayquaza was not one of the "top 2" Pokemon of Generation III. Kyogre and Groudon were probably considered to be the best of Generation III simply because Drizzle and Drought were HUGE abilities that you could build entire teams around. Groudon was probably considered to be the better because there were more Pokemon that could take advantage of Drought than Drizzle in Generation III. Kyogre just pulled ahead this generation due to the fact that Rain just got a lot more powerful, especially with Pokemon like Palkia and Manaphy. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Arite
United States218 Posts
On July 22 2010 01:34 saltywet wrote: 3. In G3 rayquaza is easily the worst of the three. swords dance groudon rockslide will rape rayquaza, and drought owns kyogre (even in drizzle, a swords dance EQ groudon is faster and also can 2hko kyogre, whilst kyogre can only 2hko with surf in drizzle) I'm pretty sure he was referring to their positions plotwise here, with the two always fighting with each other when awakened and Rayquaza just going there time to time to say "hai guiez, stop fighting". | ||
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WhoNeedsMacro
Canada43 Posts
Haha, i've heard of Rayquaza, because I got into Pokemon when Pokemon Emerald came out for GBA, so.... Yeah  . | ||
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s[O]rry
Canada398 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
And yes, Salamence and Garchomp have the same base stats as Dragonite. Those two had better stat distributions, though. Garchomp was moved into uber last year (?) and Salamence was just moved last week. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
I've been lurking Smogon for the last little while, and I must say I have exactly the same opinions on most of those. Also Rayquaza is an Uber, and Jaedong is an S Class Progamer. | ||
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