EPT[OSL] Round of 36, Week 4 - Page 2
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Il1idan
Canada95 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/fearowsprite.png){kind=icon} Hydra is FEAROW! Fearow is a Pokemon I barely remember being in the game, and one that wasn’t particularly remarkable at that. He was kind of just there to fill out the roster, because they needed another bird themed Pokemon other than Pidgeot (and Pidgeot was actually given a starring role in the anime at least). With some decent (but not great) speed and attack stats, you could talk yourself into how to make Fearow work, but in reality he’s just trapped in mediocrity. Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/dragonitesprite.png){kind=icon} Stork is DRAGONITE! Dragonite is everyone’s favorite cuddly wrecking ball. Even though he’s usually a peaceful, 210 kg of huggable bulk, no one takes this dragon lightly. Give him some motivation, and he’ll beat the stuffing out of you in no time (for a dragon, Dragonite really seems to enjoy thwacking people rather than just breathing fire at them). Despite being an all around powerhouse, he has fallen out of favor lately due to his tremendous weakness to ice. Even so, Dragonite’s awesome strength means he has to be respected in any battle. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Not to mention competition from other Dragon types like Latias and Garchomp. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: ![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/rayquazasprite.png){kind=icon} Jaedong is RAYQUAZA! Yeah, I know you generation Y folks don’t want to learn anything new outside the original 151 Pokemon. But look, Rayquaza is practically a goddamn mutalisk that goes around destroying everyone. It even learns moves called “Scary Face,” “Outrage,” and “Extreme Speed.” Also, it’s a top two pokemon in its generation. I think this one picks itself No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash to be Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. I also think the main reasons people use Rayquaza should deserve Mention. Stuff like Dragon Dance (+1 Attack +1 Speed) is comparable Jaedong's ability to attack Powerfully and Quickly. And Draco Meteor is comparable to throwing a HUGE force at once. | ||
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seRapH
United States9795 Posts
 I really wanted to see Ssak do well, but damn. jaedong... On July 21 2010 15:05 dabom88 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: Hydra is FEAROW! Fearow is a Pokemon I barely remember being in the game, and one that wasn’t particularly remarkable at that. He was kind of just there to fill out the roster, because they needed another bird themed Pokemon other than Pidgeot (and Pidgeot was actually given a starring role in the anime at least). With some decent (but not great) speed and attack stats, you could talk yourself into how to make Fearow work, but in reality he’s just trapped in mediocrity. Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: Stork is DRAGONITE! Dragonite is everyone’s favorite cuddly wrecking ball. Even though he’s usually a peaceful, 210 kg of huggable bulk, no one takes this dragon lightly. Give him some motivation, and he’ll beat the stuffing out of you in no time (for a dragon, Dragonite really seems to enjoy thwacking people rather than just breathing fire at them). Despite being an all around powerhouse, he has fallen out of favor lately due to his tremendous weakness to ice. Even so, Dragonite’s awesome strength means he has to be respected in any battle. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. On July 21 2010 12:18 KwarK wrote: Jaedong is RAYQUAZA! Yeah, I know you generation Y folks don’t want to learn anything new outside the original 151 Pokemon. But look, Rayquaza is practically a goddamn mutalisk that goes around destroying everyone. It even learns moves called “Scary Face,” “Outrage,” and “Extreme Speed.” Also, it’s a top two pokemon in its generation. I think this one picks itself No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. i'm pretty sure that if wax wrote this using actual stats and shit, almost no one would understand it. | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
Only if Oz has better team squard -.- | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:05 dabom88 wrote: Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash to be Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. I also think the main reasons people use Rayquaza should deserve Mention. Stuff like Dragon Dance (+1 Attack +1 Speed) is comparable Jaedong's ability to attack Powerfully and Quickly. And Draco Meteor is comparable to throwing a HUGE force at once. LoL walking pokedex under way~~~ | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:07 seRapH wrote: i'm pretty sure that if wax wrote this using actual stats and shit, almost no one would understand it. Fearow's the only one in my post in that post whose stats matter, and even then, it also has to do with stuff like a better movepool (Drill Peck), evolving a full 16 levels before Pidgeot (and only 2 levels after Pidgeotto) and both being available at around the same time. On July 21 2010 15:12 GrazerRinge wrote: LoL walking pokedex under way~~~ Consider me TL's resident Pokemon expert with several years of competitive play under my belt. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Thanks for the write-up. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 15:05 dabom88 wrote: Oh no you didn't. Fearow is actually MUCH better than Pidgeot. Pidgeot has actually always been a POS Pokemon, forever doomed to the Never-Used tier (of which it is only Stage 3 Evolution Pokemon that isn't Bug/Flying). Not only does Fearow have higher Attack and Speed Stats AND Evolve at a lower level than Pidgeot, but it also has a superior movepool with Drill Peck. Pidgeot had no good Flying Attack until all the way in Generation IV where it got Brave Bird and it's still terrible. Of the Flying/Normals in Gen I, Dodrio is easily the best with a higher attack than Fearow and getting Tri-Attack. But at the very least you had a reason to get Fearow due to being able to get it much earlier in the game. Since you get pretty much get Pidgey and Spearow at the same time, there's absolutely no reason to even bother with Pidgeot. That's not the reason it fell out of favor. It fell out of favor due to the fact that Salamence, who is also Dragon/Flying, was just an overall better Pokemon. Not to mention competition from other Dragon types like Latias and Garchomp. Anyone can see an Ice Attack coming from a mile away and though it does a good job of keeping Dragons in check, they can always just switch out. No argument there. Though I think Effort might be a better pick for Rayquaza due to his victory over Flash. I consider Flash to be Kyogre, and I think Effort's Victory over flash is comparable with the fact that Rayquaza's Air Lock ability cancels out Kyogre's Drizzle ability. I also think the main reasons people use Rayquaza should deserve Mention. Stuff like Dragon Dance (+1 Attack +1 Speed) is comparable Jaedong's ability to attack Powerfully and Quickly. And Draco Meteor is comparable to throwing a HUGE force at once. Holy crap man I could use you in this one thing im doing  | ||
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axium
Korea (South)6 Posts
I agree with the opinion Stork has to strengten his weak point, Z vs P. | ||
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seRapH
United States9795 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:13 dabom88 wrote: Fearow's the only one in my post in that post whose stats matter, and even then, it also has to do with stuff like a better movepool (Drill Peck), evolving a full 16 levels before Pidgeot (and only 2 levels after Pidgeotto) and both being available at around the same time. my point is that pidgeot is generally considered better not because it actually is, but because ash had one. or was it pidgeotto, i dont even remember. the point of the pokedex here isn't to be accurate and teach people shit about pokemon (they have smogon for that), but to entertain. i'd actually rather not see this turn into JAEDONG IS SALAMANCE and FLASH IS SHUCKLE (with power trick) because that just gets boring and very niche centered. | ||
Waxangel
United States33567 Posts
On July 21 2010 15:13 dabom88 wrote: Fearow's the only one in my post in that post whose stats matter, and even then, it also has to do with stuff like a better movepool (Drill Peck), evolving a full 16 levels before Pidgeot (and only 2 levels after Pidgeotto) and both being available at around the same time. Consider me TL's resident Pokemon expert with several years of competitive play under my belt. I left out the disclaimer this week that I don't take competitive gaming into account THAT much "Progamer pokedex is written with some knowledge of the competitive Pokemon scene, but not based solely upon it. There's too much esoteric meta-game knowledge to be explained to the casual reader. Instead, the combined portrayal of pokemon in various media are the basis for the analogies." | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
But still...newgen stuff? Meeeeeeh. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On July 21 2010 17:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Dragonite -is- huggable :3 But still...newgen stuff? Meeeeeeh. I'm not the biggest fan of new gen pokemon, but still even I have to admit rayquaza is a pretty cool guy, fits jaedong like a glove and doesnt fear anything. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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monk
United States8476 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
or A-teamers, Skyhigh and Killer are (and) really bad at TvZ and ZvT, respectively. | ||
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Finskie
Sweden412 Posts
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