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On May 16 2010 17:59 dukethegold wrote:
Let's not forget that Savior cheated to LOSE. Not to win.
Hence, his skills were real and so was his dominance.
It's much more likely that the throwing of the match (winning or losing) was directly related to the current odds being offered by the bookie. If Savior was a heavy favorite, there was much more money to be made if he lost. It isn't really relevant to his skills, especially since I'm noting thus far that the dates of the supposed thrown matches are all very recent (the last quarter of 2009 and into 2010), and Savior hasn't been "dominant" since 2006.
Speaking of which, I happened to be looking at Savior's recent games played... most are losses against top players, except one peculiar one against Jaedong on 11-30-09, which he won. Now that isn't to say there was obvious cheating here, because any ZvZ can be lost to build order, but this is Jaedong we're talking about, against Savior, who by most accounts is a has-been (14-26 in last 40 games). The odds on this game would've been heavily in favor of Jaedong, who just three months earlier picked up his Golden Mouse. There's no VOD of this match, but the report indicated it was an early game loss (suggests build order loss), and also part of a proleague CJ vs Oz match (as opposed to individual match).
My point is, this sort of cheating is going to bring a lot more trouble and speculation, and I hope I've helped demonstrate just how tainted everything that touches Savior is, even potentially innocent superstars like Jaedong.
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Okay I'll finally start watching SC again. Why no one asked or was pissed that nothing was being talked about for so long is beyond me. Fing ridiculous... and I hope more details come out, ASAP so we can all hate on the match fixers as much as possible.
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Lalalaland34502 Posts
It can take years for something like this to die out and for SC to 'go back to normal'. Think of the chaos that ensues when something similar happens in football, and that's something far more established than Starcraft, even in Korea.
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I don't mean to derail this thread, but people have mentioned that a cheating scandal in War 3 pretty much ruined the pro scene. What exactly was the cheating scandal? I don't follow War 3 at all, and I can't find anything about it on Google.
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Once this investigation is over, go to Boxer, NaDa, oov and YellOw, kneel down and beg for forgiveness from them.
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On May 17 2010 05:36 Qwertify wrote:
Ummmm, I dont get the comic, is Bisu known for doing stuff stuff outside of the game or something?
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Lalalaland34502 Posts
Nah we're just speculating on why Bisu didn't join Savior with this whole shenanigan.
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I wish I was an insider. I'd have made a small fortune on gosubet
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I didn't really suspect Savior to actually end up his career in jail. :-(
I don't see such a big case finishing a different way...
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On May 17 2010 04:09 SuperArc wrote:
I think the most impressive feat is Nada not being lured by money.
No player has had more ups and downs in his career than him, but he always came up with his own skill.
Nada is a true baller.
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On May 17 2010 06:49 Radical wrote:
I don't mean to derail this thread, but people have mentioned that a cheating scandal in War 3 pretty much ruined the pro scene. What exactly was the cheating scandal? I don't follow War 3 at all, and I can't find anything about it on Google.
Basically they were editing some maps to help against some perceived imbalances. Maybe you'd find more about it by searching here on TL, I read about it somewhere here too.
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Edit: I regret my comment... I was tired and stupid.
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and also all the younger progamers involved were forced a korean friend of mine told me that the korean news said that savior have local gangs force them to do the illegal gambling
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On May 17 2010 08:18 XsebT wrote:I still get giggly when I see it and I still think the "I will destroy everyone in 2009, ok?" is so utterly amazing. Savior was fucking amazing... A scandal can't take that away from him.
I don't understand people that say things like that. Its just a challenging statement that utterly failed. Get over it.
You can even say that it was just an attempt to get more tv time.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
faggot fanboys will be faggot fanboys.
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Dam, the amount of money involved is so little. I would assume the progamers involved had very little faith in their future as sc or in the esport in general to risk so much for so little. Maybe they just had this feeling their career were over anyhow?
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No doubt there were more players involved, and certainly larger sums of money involved. This is purely all that they can PROVE... This scandal no doubt runs deeper than we'd like it to.
I was never a fan of Savior in the way I was of other great name players, so I really couldn't care less if they stripped him of titles and handed out a life-ban from esports related projects.
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Anyone consider that maybe after getting 3-0'd by Bisu, Savior thought to himself "Man I could of made so much money from this"
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EPT![[image loading]](http://hoozah.net/etc/BisuNSavior.jpg)
