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zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
May 16 2010 18:45 GMT
#461
Man I'd slit my wrists for Bisu man... That kid is legit it's heartbreaking thank god.
kamicom
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States180 Posts
May 16 2010 18:46 GMT
#462
(whispers) let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor

Kespa better go on a league-banning spree + fines. I wanna see heads roll!
I ragequit if my split fails.
taxi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States8 Posts
May 16 2010 18:53 GMT
#463
For those of you who keep saying these programmers shouldn't have done it for so little money, you have to understand that while $2k - 5k USD may not seem much to you, it's worth a lot more where the standard of living is lower. Chinese food, portion wise, in the USA that normally costs $5-10 USD only costs < $1 in Taiwan. So 2k - 5k could easily feed a family for half a year, at least in Taiwan. I don't know if the situation is different in Korea, but motive definitely depends on circumstance and location.
They told me “Practice makes perfect.” Then they told me “Nobody’s perfect.” So I stopped practicing.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 16 2010 18:54 GMT
#464
Kim Carrier apparently wrote on his cyworld

"너희들이 무슨 자격으로

선배들의 눈물,
열정과 노력으로
일궈낸 이스포츠를
망치려 드느냐!!!!! "

"What right do you have,

To ruin what was created by
your elder player's (sunbae) tears, passion, and effort?"

Man....
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
May 16 2010 19:01 GMT
#465
On May 17 2010 03:54 Milkis wrote:
Kim Carrier apparently wrote on his cyworld

"너희들이 무슨 자격으로

선배들의 눈물,
열정과 노력으로
일궈낸 이스포츠를
망치려 드느냐!!!!! "

"What right do you have,

To ruin what was created by
your elder player's (sunbae) tears, passion, and effort?"

Man....

Fuck yeah. I vote that each cheater, starting with Savior, is held down by NaDa and Boxer, and have Reach and oov take turns repeatedly punching the shit out of them. Afterwards nalra spits on them and stomps them in the balls.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 16 2010 19:07 GMT
#466
If any of the vet gamer crowd (bonjwas, ra, reach, kingdom ect) make any statements in interviews about this please translate and post them I'm really curious about their reactions.
OMG you nasty gurl
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 16 2010 19:09 GMT
#467
I think the most impressive feat is Nada not being lured by money.

No player has had more ups and downs in his career than him, but he always came up with his own skill.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 16 2010 19:14 GMT
#468
On May 17 2010 04:01 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 03:54 Milkis wrote:
Kim Carrier apparently wrote on his cyworld

"너희들이 무슨 자격으로

선배들의 눈물,
열정과 노력으로
일궈낸 이스포츠를
망치려 드느냐!!!!! "

"What right do you have,

To ruin what was created by
your elder player's (sunbae) tears, passion, and effort?"

Man....

Fuck yeah. I vote that each cheater, starting with Savior, is held down by NaDa and Boxer, and have Reach and oov take turns repeatedly punching the shit out of them. Afterwards nalra spits on them and stomps them in the balls.

t-t anger issues much.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 16 2010 19:15 GMT
#469
On May 17 2010 01:37 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2010 13:02 writer22816 wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:55 JWD wrote:
On May 16 2010 12:19 writer22816 wrote:
To all of you who are calling these progamers pieces of shit, etc:

Most of you would have probably done the same thing given a choice.

Not saying what these people did was justified but I'm not going to come down too hard on them.

yeah because most progamers are involved in this scandal, right? I mean it's not like it's only a select group that stooped to this, right?? Like, there's not a list of only 8 or so guys that chose to fix games in the OP of this thread is there?


What gives you the assumption that every progamer was bribed to throw games?

Surely not every one, but it must be that some substantial portion of them knew that this opportunity existed, or even that some of their teammates were taking advantage of it. It just can't be that the ~8 outed players comprise even a majority of progamers who were aware they could throw games to make money. Everyone knows about the betting sites.

Agreed. Any time a scandal like this happens, it's easier for the people who were in charge of oversight to say "it was just a few bad apples" but it hardly ever is. I doubt it's that way in this case too. They'll make an example out of 8 players, but there's probably more involved.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
May 16 2010 19:19 GMT
#470
Klazart is not dead he´s just stoped commentating sadly
6Pool or die trying
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
May 16 2010 19:26 GMT
#471
As much as I loved savior, and example must be set. I have really mixed feelings about this, but if Nada is clean then he is the most impressive progamer to ever live imho.
mint_julep
Profile Joined October 2009
United States254 Posts
May 16 2010 19:26 GMT
#472
On May 17 2010 02:35 OneFierceZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 02:30 Volkov wrote:
On May 17 2010 01:56 Corrupt wrote:
On May 17 2010 01:47 stork4ever wrote:
klazart is rolling over in his grave

Klaz is dead? O_O

yes. Mrs Klazart killed him.


Are you serious? or just fucking around? i listened to him a long time ago...


Klazart is not dead irl. People just mean that his wife won't let him commentate anymore. Beyond being one of the most passionate foreign Starcraft fans generally, Klazart was a huge savior fan.

He is absolutely rolling in his NIRL grave right now.
I hope Plexa's sig is right.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
May 16 2010 19:28 GMT
#473
upmagic isn;t inthis ???
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
mint_julep
Profile Joined October 2009
United States254 Posts
May 16 2010 19:30 GMT
#474
On May 17 2010 04:01 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 03:54 Milkis wrote:
Kim Carrier apparently wrote on his cyworld

"너희들이 무슨 자격으로

선배들의 눈물,
열정과 노력으로
일궈낸 이스포츠를
망치려 드느냐!!!!! "

"What right do you have,

To ruin what was created by
your elder player's (sunbae) tears, passion, and effort?"

Man....

Fuck yeah. I vote that each cheater, starting with Savior, is held down by NaDa and Boxer, and have Reach and oov take turns repeatedly punching the shit out of them. Afterwards nalra spits on them and stomps them in the balls.


If Reach is involved it would be "raping", not "punching". But yeah, I generally agree with this. Afterwords Flash and Jaedong can watch an episode of OldBoy and eat pot brownies.
I hope Plexa's sig is right.
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
May 16 2010 19:34 GMT
#475
so upmagic isn't in this then why was he off the A team :O

i want to see some mech tvz again
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
May 16 2010 19:38 GMT
#476
ehehe i love this drama!
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
May 16 2010 19:40 GMT
#477
On May 17 2010 04:34 G3CKO wrote:
so upmagic isn't in this then why was he off the A team :O

i want to see some mech tvz again


he's not playing well?
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 19:51:06
May 16 2010 19:42 GMT
#478
Some "rumors" or people who are from the "inside" posting, etc.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5056720&page=1&search_pos=-5017867&k_type=1100&keyword=k관계자&bbs

So apparently Baby vs Jaedong is under suspicion

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=5055791&page=1&search_pos=-5017097&k_type=1000&keyword=쿨럭&bbs

- Hite Sparkyz's coach is in quite a bit of trouble? I'm not 100% certain why though, so I'll just leave it at that instead of guessing.
- A lot of players settled with KeSPA before going to court, so what was revealed to the public is probably a minor part of what actually went on
- Justin's dad suing the Sparkyz coach? lol

Also, Kangmin is quite baller, recognizing suspicious games in his commentary through the games

ballller
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
May 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#479
The worst ending to a great story

Starcraft started with funny looking costumes to great stadiums with fans and ending with cheating scandals. Just like every sport.

Maybe SC 2 will gain alot from this scandal.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
May 16 2010 19:46 GMT
#480
On May 17 2010 04:09 SuperArc wrote:
I think the most impressive feat is Nada not being lured by money.

No player has had more ups and downs in his career than him, but he always came up with his own skill.


On May 17 2010 04:26 minus_human wrote:
As much as I loved savior, and example must be set. I have really mixed feelings about this, but if Nada is clean then he is the most impressive progamer to ever live imho.


Yeah. Nada is basically the greatest progamer of all time. He's a champion of will, soul, and skill.
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