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May 9th, 2010 17:27 GMT
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The Teamliquid Invitational tournament brought some of the best gamers in North America together for a no-holds barred brawl for $300 and status as a top player on the US server. Our two finalists, CauthonLuck and Slush, both battled through difficult opponents to meet in a great set of final games. CauthonLuck started his run off with a W/O over Tasteless, who unfortunately ran into technical problems before the tournament. He then proceeded to take a series off of both LzGamer in the quarterfinals and Huk in the semis to arrive in the finals undefeated. Slush, on the other hand, went through Incontrol and advanced after a controversial series with Artosis to face the rampaging Louder in the semifinals.

Battle tested and ready to rock, the two warriors met on the high tech futurescape of Metalopolis, with CauthonLuck's command center located at the 6 position while Slush spawned at 2 o'clock. Cauthon elected to open with reactor hellions for some early harass but was repelled by some early roaches and spine crawlers after minimal damage.

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Game One - Cauthon draws first blood

Behind this harass he transitioned into a fast expansion and a five barracks ground army of marines and marauders. Slush opted for an early burrowed roach attack that did moderate damage but was mopped up fairly quickly by Cauthon's reinforcements thanks to a nice SCV surround.

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Surprise!

Cauthon added some medivacs and applied some pressure soon after, but his attack was overwhelmed by Slush's large roach and hydra force as Slush simultaneously got an expansion at the 12 o'clock main online.

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You've got some fungal growth on your face, yeah right there...

Slush took the left gold expansion quickly after that and, despite having lower supply, managed to crush Cauthon's next attack handily, leaving him well ahead in both army count and economy. CauthonLuck executed some small drop harass while also taking out Slush's natural expansion hatchery but, unable to secure his own third and almost completely mined out, succumbed to Slush's final attack of hydras and burrowed roaches. He tapped out, bewildered and wondering out-loud how Slush was able to defeat his attacks so easily.

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I've seen the replay, and I'm not sure either


The Lost Temple has been found! Can you be the one to destroy your opponents and secure it? This challenge was issued as the game began on this Brood War throwback, with CauthonLuck getting the 3 o'clock position and Slush apparating at 12. Cauthon opened with a standard barracks tech lab build, opting to get two reapers and a bunker at Slush's morphing hatchery placed in his natural expansion. The reapers managed to kill a couple of zerglings and levy a fair amount of damage on the hatchery, but unfortunately for Cauthon, Slush had elected to get an early roach warren, and had roaches out in time to take care of the pesky bunker and it's D-8 demolition charges.

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Have at you!

After the initial action ended, Cauthon expanded and transitioned into a three barracks starport build while Slush went for a fast lair, placing his spire behind his natural minerals. Cauthon missed the spire with his scans, and the newly spawned mutalisks soared into Slush's base to find a single viking and extremely marauder heavy army. The glaive wurms rained down on the defenseless SCV lines and Cauthon was forced to GG.

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I'm tellin' ya Frank, it was a massacre out there...


We move on to game three, which took place on the tight quarters of Steppes of War. Both players opened fairly standard, with Slush taking an early expansion after his spawning pool while CauthonLuck went for his factory reactor build again. A spine crawler, some roaches and a queen held off the hellion's daring attempt at harassment, but back at home Cauthon was preparing a little surprise. Banshees!

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Ah nuts.

The first of these powerful heliplanes flew towards Slush's natural just as Slush sacrificed an overlord to get a look inside the terran's base. The banshee sniped a queen at the natural before retreating back home for a little repair action. Slush threw down a few spore crawlers, thinking he was safe from the airborne hellraisers, but he was unprepared when Cauthon returned with three banshees. They made short work of a forward spore as well as both queens before destroying the natural hatchery. Slush attempted to immediately rebuild it, thinking his newly arrived spore would protect it, but Cauthon quickly razed it before it was cancelled. The banshees then took their leave, but the damage was done. Slush was left to rebuild his expansion as Cauthon's expansion came to life and five barracks poured marines and marauders out onto the battlefield. Slush tried to make use of burrow, but Cauthon was having none of it, easily squishing the hydra roach counter before continuing on to win soon after.

Our fourth battle takes place on the lush, fertile world of Kulas Ravine. The valiant terrans gently awaken to find themselves at the top right of the map, while the hard partying zergs jolt out of their stupor, dizzied and at bottom left. Both races collect themselves and proceed into fairly standard openings, with Slush opting for a typical FE after pool, while Cauthon opened with his factory reactor build again, this time electing to get two barracks with tech labs also. In an unfortunate turn of events for Cauthon, two of Slush's scouting zerglings charged into his main as the building switch was happening, giving Slush unfettered access to the base and Cauthon's plan. This was no simple harass build, Cauthon was going to put real pressure on with a mixture of hellions and marauders. When he arrived at Slush's front door, he found some of the spine crawlers out of place and quickly ran behind the natural expansion's minerals, hammering away at the drones before the roach army arrived to engage.

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Those spine crawlers, always fashionably late

Despite killing off this initial attack, Slush was forced to place down more spine crawlers as Cauthon showed signs of keeping up the aggression, rallying hellions and marauders to just outside the range of Slush's base. Cauthon, seeing this increased defense, pulled back and expanded to his natural while Slush teched up to mutas and took the left side gold. Slush's mutas attempted to deal some damage, but were easily handled by Cauthon's mixture of marines, vikings and turrets, and he was forced to try to escape.

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I'm tellin' ya Frank, it was a massacre out there...

Meanwhile, though, Slush's Zerg had shed its hangover and was fully charged, pumping out a mass of hydras complimented by infestors. Cauthon engaged and took out the infestors before any fungal growths could be cast, but the hydras overwhelmed the marauder heavy army.

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Uh, Sarge, that's a lot of hydras

Slush laid a hatchery at bottom right and pushed into Cauthon. Knowing he couldn't hold and was defeated, CauthonLuck tapped his GG and the series was decided, Slush was the champ!

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And the victor is...

I managed to grab Slush for a few minutes after the tournament had ended and briefly got some of his thoughts.

TL: You played very well in the finals, taking home a 3-1 victory over CauthonLuck. Did you expect to win like you did?

Slush: Well I know pretty well the game style of cauthonluck, so I was pretty confident, he did suprise me though the 3rd game with his banshees, so I had to adjust a bit in the 4th game.

TL: At the end of the metalopolis game, Cauthon seemed just both impressed and exasperated by the sheer amount of units you produced. Do you think that was a result of mistakes by him or just very strong macro by you?

Slush: I got ahead by a base mid game that gave me the win. I think I was ahead too in the upgrades so I just had to keep pumping units and have a good position when I was attacking.

TL: Were you suprised at how unprepared he was for your mutas on LT?

Sluth: Well I made my lair and my spire at my expansion hoping he wouldnt see it, and I think he didnt scan my expo so he had no defense what so ever. I was pretty shocked though he didn't think I had lair at that point.

TL: Do you think any of the recent patch changes played a big part in your games today?

Slush: I don't think so. The corruptors new ability didnt help that much. I cant deny planetary fortress but the 20% buff is only great vs colossus maybe.

TL: Is there anything you'd like to say in addressing the issues with artosis and the disconnect game?

Slush: In ANY sport, the call is up to the referee to make, not the player. I just stood by the ref call. I had a small chance to comeback and he was the one to disconnect. Yes, he had the advantage, but you never know. I respect Artosis a lot and he has done a lot for the community. Cheers to him, he'll get his chance next tournament i'm pretty sure. The game isnt even released yet...


In our third place match, the prodigious protoss HuK battled wits with our resident terran terror Louder. Louder took game one with two starport banshees backed up by marines into mass ground, despite some nice blink usage by Huk. After that, though, it was all HuK, who took nice games on Lost Temple, Metalopolis and Scrap Station to claim the third place position.

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Unfortunately for Louder, medivacs can't attack

From everyone at Teamliquid, thanks for reading and watching! We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. VODs will be up shortly, so don't worry if you missed out on the action! Also, please keep comments regarding the Slush/Artosis issue in the appropriate thread.


This post was made by the Team Liquid Starcraft 2 Coverage Team. For more of TL's coverage, please visit the Team Liquid Starcraft 2 Beta Page.
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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 09 2010 17:30 GMT
#2
good games
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
May 09 2010 17:33 GMT
#3
great games! I'm excited to see artosis' thoughts on Slush winning
"Minerals being mined. Minerals being mined. Minerals being mined." Learn how to post: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 09 2010 17:33 GMT
#4
Good games, fun to read.
Shame that the disconnect had to happen for Artosis, but that's how life goes...
GJ TL for another great tournament.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
BabaBlackSheep
Profile Joined April 2010
United States29 Posts
May 09 2010 17:37 GMT
#5
Fun tourney to spectate, guys. Well played by all.
What does this field mean?
Felby
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway81 Posts
May 09 2010 17:40 GMT
#6
sweet games
tho was hoping for a louder tourney winner

grats to slush tho, very good play vs cauthon
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
May 09 2010 17:40 GMT
#7
Good read
i dunno lol
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
May 09 2010 17:43 GMT
#8
the ones I saw were pretty entertaining
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2662 Posts
May 09 2010 17:55 GMT
#9
SLush is the Cheater Zerg.

Calling it now.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
kudlaty_true
Profile Joined November 2009
Poland158 Posts
May 09 2010 17:59 GMT
#10
So how can I watch those now? Some youtube or something?
University
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States263 Posts
May 09 2010 17:59 GMT
#11
Great recap. It is interesting to hear Slush's thoughts on the topic. Obviously congrats go out to all players who participated - if they weren't already talented then they would not have been invited. Thank you to everyone who participated - casters, admins, players, writers - for helping to make this event awesome.
Lighioana
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway466 Posts
May 09 2010 18:08 GMT
#12
Is there any replay pack?
And forgive me nothing for I truly meant it all
b0rn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States28 Posts
May 09 2010 18:09 GMT
#13
congrats to slush! good job to everyone in the tourney yall did awesome!!
"i like turtles"
UbiNax
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark381 Posts
May 09 2010 18:15 GMT
#14
Was some awesome games, big thanks to TL for putting this together and running it for 7-8 hours straight :D awesome tournament

Pretty funny slush still thinks he had a small chance in the game 3 vs artosis :D but whatever GG

Awesome stuff.
kudlaty_true
Profile Joined November 2009
Poland158 Posts
May 09 2010 18:18 GMT
#15
SO, ANY WAY TO WATCH THE GAMES NOW?
Seriously, does anyone answers here?
Infernus
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway222 Posts
May 09 2010 18:23 GMT
#16
GG's, was some really good games!
sup ;o
oopserv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States37 Posts
May 09 2010 18:27 GMT
#17
where can i find filled out bracket?
yay
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 18:29:33
May 09 2010 18:29 GMT
#18
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Replays will be released a few days after the vods are up.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
renchak
Profile Joined April 2009
209 Posts
May 09 2010 18:30 GMT
#19
Really liked the streams. Nice writeup and congrats to Slush!
jgju
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States454 Posts
May 09 2010 18:36 GMT
#20
Very nice write up, and thanks for putting on an entertaining tourney
"For you biting zealots, here's a quote" - Lauryn Hill
rhap
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil136 Posts
May 09 2010 18:56 GMT
#21
Very nice read. Thanks. :D
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
May 09 2010 18:59 GMT
#22
Nice write up. Interested to see Slush's replays.
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
May 09 2010 19:03 GMT
#23
I want replays T.T
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 19:23:36
May 09 2010 19:18 GMT
#24
tt too bad us average newbies wernt able to play in this tourney
popularity contests are hard . . . .
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
BoBite
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland16 Posts
May 09 2010 19:23 GMT
#25
Very nice. Thanks for this writeup. awaiting VOD's. GG
What comes around, goes around.
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
May 09 2010 19:29 GMT
#26
? TT1 you won craftcup, gj, but that's the first thing you've done since the beta came out... maybe you'll be invited to the next one... i didn't get invited either, we need to become more popular, yes, but that's only up to us.
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
University
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States263 Posts
May 09 2010 19:37 GMT
#27
This thread really needs the link to the Miley Cyrus video to validate the title.
Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
May 09 2010 19:42 GMT
#28
Well-played Slush. Thanks for the tourny TL.
Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
May 09 2010 19:44 GMT
#29
Congrats Slush
WOW cant believe LT gave me BETA KEY thx thx thx thx thx
badmmk
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada8 Posts
May 09 2010 19:50 GMT
#30
Slush played extremely well, he deserved the win. No hater or whiner can deny that.
drugs are bad, mmk?
DimZ
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom30 Posts
May 09 2010 19:53 GMT
#31
Nice write up, and thanks for the awesome tourney TL
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 09 2010 20:20 GMT
#32
I was slightly less sad when I found out I lost to the eventual champion

My game 1 vs him ain't bad too, worth a gander.

Gg's!
VereZ
Profile Joined April 2010
France34 Posts
May 09 2010 20:27 GMT
#33
Very nice to read, and VERY VERY nice to watch, with the three commentators Day9, ChillS and djWheat. They did a very nice job and it was truely entertaining. I look forward to TLI#3!!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 20:55:15
May 09 2010 20:40 GMT
#34
On May 10 2010 04:29 iG.CatZ wrote:
? TT1 you won craftcup, gj, but that's the first thing you've done since the beta came out... maybe you'll be invited to the next one... i didn't get invited either, we need to become more popular, yes, but that's only up to us.


thats the first thing ive done because ive been playing since 3 weeks while everyone else has been playing for almost 3 months, also half of the players in this tourney got invited because of their clantag.. they havnt done shit either, its kinda gay when you see people getting invited to tourneys because of their connections
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Korpze
Profile Joined March 2010
United States27 Posts
May 09 2010 21:00 GMT
#35
Very awesome. Grats to Slush on winning!
Grape
Profile Joined April 2010
145 Posts
May 09 2010 21:01 GMT
#36
Congrats Slush!

Huge thanks to TL Staff for organizing it and to DJWheat, Chill and Day[9] for the live-cast!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 21:07:28
May 09 2010 21:06 GMT
#37
On May 10 2010 05:40 iamtt1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 04:29 iG.CatZ wrote:
? TT1 you won craftcup, gj, but that's the first thing you've done since the beta came out... maybe you'll be invited to the next one... i didn't get invited either, we need to become more popular, yes, but that's only up to us.


thats the first thing ive done because ive been playing since 3 weeks while everyone else has been playing for almost 3 months, also half of the players in this tourney got invited because of their clantag.. they havnt done shit either, its kinda gay when you see people getting invited to tourneys because of their connections


I think it's funny that within the very post where you explain your complaint you answer the WHY.

You've played for 3 weeks. Won a single tourney with proxy gates and other nice all ins.

Everyone else has been playing for 3 months and winning more than one tourney and getting their face around.

Scapegoating on the clan tag doesn't really function as a complaint when you wear the fnatic tag, perhaps the most recognizable tag in esports.

I think you are a good player and you will certainly be around for future invites but bitching that you weren't invited to this one after 3 weeks of faceless gaming THEN complaining that people were invited on name alone (ironic, since that would be the ONLY way you'd get invited at this point) is bad.

TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 21:29:36
May 09 2010 21:22 GMT
#38
k your right, end of discussion
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 09 2010 21:24 GMT
#39
I honestly believe, that in the hands of really really really good macro players, Zerg is going to be considered imbalanced. This is only a guess. But, when it comes time for Pro-Players in Korea and hopefully elsewhere- if there hasn't been a nerf to Zerg macro (Larva spawn time, energy, total larva limit or something) there will be shortly after.
When its done right, I have seen Zerg do insane insane macro that doesn't seem right. I could be wrong of course, but this is my guess.

Fantastic work SLush. GJ to everyone who played
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
May 09 2010 22:01 GMT
#40
Where can i see the games?
really?
Qwerty.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
May 09 2010 22:55 GMT
#41
they're going up on youtube.com/nevake
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
May 09 2010 23:21 GMT
#42
I loved the games I had a great time watching Slush play very exciting player and also big big shoutout to Louder who played amazing games that were really fun to watch. More from those two please :D
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 10 2010 00:53 GMT
#43
Congratulations Slush. Had a great time watching the tournament and I can't wait for the replays.
DoctorHelvetica <3
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
May 10 2010 01:40 GMT
#44
GG's Slush. Really well played against Louder and Cauthonluck FTW.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
krowe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States184 Posts
May 10 2010 02:02 GMT
#45
Waiting on the vods and replays
Schryver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States29 Posts
May 10 2010 03:11 GMT
#46
Did someone say party in the USA?

NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
May 10 2010 04:36 GMT
#47
Lol awesome captions for those pics there!
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
fantomex
Profile Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
May 10 2010 04:38 GMT
#48
Where are the replays?
Replay or GTFO
DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
May 10 2010 05:07 GMT
#49
Nice read, i watched the games.

and about this

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I've seen the replay, and I'm not sure either


I honestly think that now the game is a little more balanced forcing terran to put new units into the mix.
The change to the tank has been very good, the splash damage rape small/middle sized units like hydras marauders, etc.

If cauthon added some tanks into that mix he would have raped that army with the same army size or less.

In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 10 2010 05:47 GMT
#50
nice write up
CauthonLuck
Profile Joined July 2009
United States93 Posts
May 10 2010 05:56 GMT
#51
A little clarification on my disbelief in the first game. From my recent set against Slush in MLG It was woefully obvious that I could not match him in a long macro game. Normally I am very comfortable in macro TvZ games but I was soundly defeated using that style just a couple days prior to the TLI, so I came into this game with a different goal.

In the first game I wanted to do some minor economic harassment and try to force him to make as many sunkens as possible since I was doing a fast expand build with only small amounts of harassment units to contain him. I also know he likes to take an early third so I planned to get my natural up and running quickly, throw down an absolute ton of raxes without any thought of a 3rd base or late game tech, then hit with an extremely strong timing attack right before he reaps the benefit of his third.

The game went exactly how I wanted, I managed to do some economic damage and force at least 3 sunkens while being light on units and getting my own economy up quickly and completely unhindered. I then held off his first push while pumping non stop from 5-6 raxes, getting all the infantry upgrades and +1 weapons and attacked right about as his 3rd was getting up with a 15-20 food advantage, just as I had hoped for. That timing attack was soundly defeated, leaving me so shocked at the outcome that I continued playing for another 5-10 minutes even though my build was semi-all in and I really had no chance of winning once that timing attack was defeated.

The comments in the end were in reference to that attack where I thought I was in a great position but was still easily held off while he was at his weakest point.

I don't think I could have made that timing attack any stronger, using a couple tanks would actually have worked against me as good use of burrowed roaches will cause tanks to blast apart your infantry ball unless you tech strongly to tanks and ravens at the same time, or slowwwly push with turret hopping. Those strategies are perfectly fine, but would have greatly detracted from the strength of a massive infantry timing attack as he took his third, which was the plan for that game.

Perhaps I've been playing TvZ all wrong lately, only a couple of the games I lost to slush over the MLG/ITL series even seemed close. He outplayed me so completely that I started doing old gimmicky 1 base builds that I hadn't used in a long time out of desperation, and they worked better than any of my "solid" strategies. I really felt like I had an inferior economy and army at nearly every point when I tried to butt heads in straight up ground macro battles. Maybe I should revert to my old style of harassing constantly with banshees, thor/hellion drops etc, since Terran have many strong harassment options, they may just not be meant to settle down into a steady macro battle of "standard" armies until a lot of damage has been done.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
May 10 2010 05:58 GMT
#52
On May 10 2010 04:29 iG.CatZ wrote:
? TT1 you won craftcup, gj, but that's the first thing you've done since the beta came out... maybe you'll be invited to the next one... i didn't get invited either, we need to become more popular, yes, but that's only up to us.

lol, including yourself in the same category as TT1
hilarious
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DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
May 10 2010 06:15 GMT
#53
thanks for the reply .
Well, there were many past variables that i didn't knew.

Nice read thought
In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
BabaBlackSheep
Profile Joined April 2010
United States29 Posts
May 10 2010 06:24 GMT
#54
Thanks for the insight, Cauthon. It's nice to see how strategies unfold mentally and within the game itself. The plan behind the plan, so to speak.
What does this field mean?
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
May 10 2010 06:30 GMT
#55
GG CAUTHONLUCK.ROOT AND SLUSH.ROOT U GUYS RULE
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OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
May 10 2010 08:12 GMT
#56
all bo3 games are miror games.. feels like its rigged
i dunno lol
Housta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 15:47:06
May 10 2010 15:43 GMT
#57
Good writeup! So whens the next TLI US?
ROOTslush
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada170 Posts
May 10 2010 15:59 GMT
#58
On May 10 2010 14:56 CauthonLuck wrote:
A little clarification on my disbelief in the first game. From my recent set against Slush in MLG It was woefully obvious that I could not match him in a long macro game. Normally I am very comfortable in macro TvZ games but I was soundly defeated using that style just a couple days prior to the TLI, so I came into this game with a different goal.

In the first game I wanted to do some minor economic harassment and try to force him to make as many sunkens as possible since I was doing a fast expand build with only small amounts of harassment units to contain him. I also know he likes to take an early third so I planned to get my natural up and running quickly, throw down an absolute ton of raxes without any thought of a 3rd base or late game tech, then hit with an extremely strong timing attack right before he reaps the benefit of his third.

The game went exactly how I wanted, I managed to do some economic damage and force at least 3 sunkens while being light on units and getting my own economy up quickly and completely unhindered. I then held off his first push while pumping non stop from 5-6 raxes, getting all the infantry upgrades and +1 weapons and attacked right about as his 3rd was getting up with a 15-20 food advantage, just as I had hoped for. That timing attack was soundly defeated, leaving me so shocked at the outcome that I continued playing for another 5-10 minutes even though my build was semi-all in and I really had no chance of winning once that timing attack was defeated.

The comments in the end were in reference to that attack where I thought I was in a great position but was still easily held off while he was at his weakest point.

I don't think I could have made that timing attack any stronger, using a couple tanks would actually have worked against me as good use of burrowed roaches will cause tanks to blast apart your infantry ball unless you tech strongly to tanks and ravens at the same time, or slowwwly push with turret hopping. Those strategies are perfectly fine, but would have greatly detracted from the strength of a massive infantry timing attack as he took his third, which was the plan for that game.

Perhaps I've been playing TvZ all wrong lately, only a couple of the games I lost to slush over the MLG/ITL series even seemed close. He outplayed me so completely that I started doing old gimmicky 1 base builds that I hadn't used in a long time out of desperation, and they worked better than any of my "solid" strategies. I really felt like I had an inferior economy and army at nearly every point when I tried to butt heads in straight up ground macro battles. Maybe I should revert to my old style of harassing constantly with banshees, thor/hellion drops etc, since Terran have many strong harassment options, they may just not be meant to settle down into a steady macro battle of "standard" armies until a lot of damage has been done.


This map really advantage me as zerg, i could get a 3rd that is so far away that it's hard for you to kill it. i found out that hdyras and infestor are REALLY good against a marauders heavy infantry which i know u like the burrow roach forces you to go raven instead of tanks and can kill any decent terran ground army if unnoticed. I'm a macro zerg so if you want to defeat me u have to be agressive early game. Watch the showmatch vs Demuslim (they will be up soon i guess) u'll see how agressive he is and how bad he raped me some games
Powda
Profile Joined February 2010
United States116 Posts
May 10 2010 16:45 GMT
#59
Picture play by plays are cool n all...but in the time it took to write up this you could have given us the VoDs.
1a2a3a4a
Erucious
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway393 Posts
May 10 2010 18:23 GMT
#60
On May 11 2010 01:45 Powda wrote:
Picture play by plays are cool n all...but in the time it took to write up this you could have given us the VoDs.


Yeah..because rendering, cutting videos, uploading doesn't take time at all.

Btw, did you know 9 women could get a baby in 1 month? True story
I'm Norwegian/Dutch. Just the awesome parts of them though :D
moretolove
Profile Joined May 2010
China3 Posts
May 10 2010 18:56 GMT
#61
amazing games
krowe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States184 Posts
May 11 2010 03:49 GMT
#62
Yes they were very good games overall and cannot wait to see the replays and vods considering there were many good players and strats.
aaaaaah
Profile Joined May 2010
45 Posts
May 11 2010 04:44 GMT
#63
sorry im new here, can someone tell me where i can find the replays for this invitational pl0x?
=D
Sansucal
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany259 Posts
May 11 2010 07:28 GMT
#64
i love battle reports
EnvoYofAiuR
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands71 Posts
May 11 2010 11:04 GMT
#65
were are the VODS/Replays?
Conquer, but dont triumph
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
May 11 2010 12:15 GMT
#66
Nice write up and congrats to Slush. A lot of great games to re-watch.
Perfect Balance
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway131 Posts
May 11 2010 16:31 GMT
#67
Great reporting, and I love the pictures. Slight problem is that I can't see what's going on in the pictures.. Too dark and too much bloom.
"Do you REALLY want chat rooms?" - You're good Blizzard! I was just fakin' it!
Powda
Profile Joined February 2010
United States116 Posts
May 11 2010 18:25 GMT
#68
It's been 4 days, took 10 min to have the vods up last liquibation, something wrong?
1a2a3a4a
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
May 11 2010 19:14 GMT
#69
On May 10 2010 14:56 CauthonLuck wrote:
A little clarification on my disbelief in the first game. From my recent set against Slush in MLG It was woefully obvious that I could not match him in a long macro game. Normally I am very comfortable in macro TvZ games but I was soundly defeated using that style just a couple days prior to the TLI, so I came into this game with a different goal.

In the first game I wanted to do some minor economic harassment and try to force him to make as many sunkens as possible since I was doing a fast expand build with only small amounts of harassment units to contain him. I also know he likes to take an early third so I planned to get my natural up and running quickly, throw down an absolute ton of raxes without any thought of a 3rd base or late game tech, then hit with an extremely strong timing attack right before he reaps the benefit of his third.

The game went exactly how I wanted, I managed to do some economic damage and force at least 3 sunkens while being light on units and getting my own economy up quickly and completely unhindered. I then held off his first push while pumping non stop from 5-6 raxes, getting all the infantry upgrades and +1 weapons and attacked right about as his 3rd was getting up with a 15-20 food advantage, just as I had hoped for. That timing attack was soundly defeated, leaving me so shocked at the outcome that I continued playing for another 5-10 minutes even though my build was semi-all in and I really had no chance of winning once that timing attack was defeated.

The comments in the end were in reference to that attack where I thought I was in a great position but was still easily held off while he was at his weakest point.

I don't think I could have made that timing attack any stronger, using a couple tanks would actually have worked against me as good use of burrowed roaches will cause tanks to blast apart your infantry ball unless you tech strongly to tanks and ravens at the same time, or slowwwly push with turret hopping. Those strategies are perfectly fine, but would have greatly detracted from the strength of a massive infantry timing attack as he took his third, which was the plan for that game.

Perhaps I've been playing TvZ all wrong lately, only a couple of the games I lost to slush over the MLG/ITL series even seemed close. He outplayed me so completely that I started doing old gimmicky 1 base builds that I hadn't used in a long time out of desperation, and they worked better than any of my "solid" strategies. I really felt like I had an inferior economy and army at nearly every point when I tried to butt heads in straight up ground macro battles. Maybe I should revert to my old style of harassing constantly with banshees, thor/hellion drops etc, since Terran have many strong harassment options, they may just not be meant to settle down into a steady macro battle of "standard" armies until a lot of damage has been done.


I feel the same way. I play my brother who is Zerg and I play Terran. And all we do is 1v1 each other for like 2 hours straight until we take a break then play again... and at first I could beat him soundly... but nowadays, it doesn't matter when I push. I do an early 1 base +1 weapons +combat shields push with marine/marauder, I get destroyed by roaches. I FE and he does a quick 3rd, I try to deny when my second tank comes out, he destroys me. At no point in the game do I have a army or economical advantage... and I don't know why.

Obviously we aren't at your level... but we are both fairly good/intelligent (top in our gold divisions having only installed a week ago). At first I felt really strong.. but now I just don't see a chance to attack. The only way for me to beat him is to do cheese/rush/all-ins... and even those rarely work. I honestly dont kow what to do at this point agasint him.
just here
Persev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
May 11 2010 23:42 GMT
#70
Thank you for Great write up and awesome picts with great captions!
Be nice!
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 11:04:48
May 12 2010 11:02 GMT
#71
who would've known doing the same terran strategy over and over again through out the whole tournament (while deviating very little(OOHH BANSHEES !!)) wouldve landed him this far... but really? was I the only one watching those games or did the T just not learn from the earlier games in the series...

foreigners are gonna get dominated so hard when the koreans are unleashed, I can't wait!!!!

But. shouts to TL and their amazingness! Too bad they didn't host this many tournaments with just original BW.. I hope they keep it up cause it's going to take a fantastic community like this one right here to keep a game like this going...

I wanted Louther to win cause his name is the win, but like Slush said the game hasnt even been released yet.. :D:D
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
Powda
Profile Joined February 2010
United States116 Posts
May 12 2010 18:35 GMT
#72
After watching all the slush/cauthonluck replays I fully attribute locks losses to a lack fo medivacs. Each battle he had between 3-4 vacs that slush focus the second the battle began. MM v roach/hydra/ling/infestor is noting without the 3rd M
1a2a3a4a
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 19:58:04
May 12 2010 19:51 GMT
#73
On May 10 2010 14:58 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 04:29 iG.CatZ wrote:
? TT1 you won craftcup, gj, but that's the first thing you've done since the beta came out... maybe you'll be invited to the next one... i didn't get invited either, we need to become more popular, yes, but that's only up to us.

lol, including yourself in the same category as TT1
hilarious


TheAntZ I am not comparing myself to TT1, you're always flaming for some reason, i don't even know who you are, I am making a statement, and in an effort to explain to TT1 for whom i have much respect as a player and a person, I added myself as another example, i could've used someone, or rather anyone else. But it'd seem as if i were whining about them not being invited to the event, and I was trying to do the exact opposite.

In any other way you can possibly look at this, i've only played TT1 a couple times, if memory serves me right, i won with my zerg and lost with my random (T), if you must know, and to make this simple without offending anyone ; If you combined all of the players invited and added up their individual wins // loses against me, i'd be up without a doubt, so yes, using myself as an example seemed the way to go when addressing TT1 about this tour, not you or anyone else, him. I do apologize though, next time i'll make sure to say "TheAntZ wasnt invited either bro, its a'll good"


Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
DrSmoke
Profile Joined April 2010
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 13:18:31
May 13 2010 13:17 GMT
#74
I'm checking out /nevake's youtube channel right now. I see all the replays there, but none are casted so far?

Whats the deal with that, are only some of the games casted? Are the replays on this channel meant to be just replays, and casts are elsewhere?

I was wanting to just watch the whole tourny from the RO 16.
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
May 13 2010 20:08 GMT
#75
i might start an inofficial fanclub for TheLouderOne
o/
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
May 14 2010 01:47 GMT
#76
wow screenshots have epic graphics!
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
May 14 2010 01:49 GMT
#77
On May 10 2010 02:59 kudlaty_true wrote:
So how can I watch those now? Some youtube or something?

should be on Nevake channel
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
Dokemion
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines9 Posts
May 14 2010 08:37 GMT
#78
--- Nuked ---
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines563 Posts
May 14 2010 13:28 GMT
#79
and the Jay-Z song was on
and the Jay-Z song was on
and the Jay-Z song was on

so i put my hands up, they playin my song
the butterflies fly fly away
noddin my head like yeah
movin my hips like yeah
got my hands up, they playin my song
i know im gonna be ok
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its a party in the USA
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its a party in the USA
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its a party in the USA
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ZeaLL
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada53 Posts
May 14 2010 19:39 GMT
#80
Not to sound like a broken record but reading through this I am so impressed with the writeup, very descriptive but not too long and boring, great pictures to accompany the descriptions. I just wish there was somewhere to download a replay pack I'd love to see some of these matches.

Slush is good, I'd love to see more of his games, seems a tad arrogant though.
Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Overmind; the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me.
Mepper
Profile Joined May 2010
Venezuela50 Posts
May 14 2010 21:35 GMT
#81
Great writeup! If this had taken place during patch 12, Cauthon probably would've won that first match. 'Grats to Slush though ^^
Carpe Diem
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2010 23:10 GMT
#82
any updates on the release of replays?
beep boop
rAize
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany135 Posts
May 15 2010 18:15 GMT
#83
Ye was thinking same...would really like to watch those replays. Though I have to admit the vods for this tournaments are dire, I mean allright quality etc...is good but without a commentry you can just watch the replay which is much better because you can actualy check stuff out while these vods dont entertain and take away all the interactivity since they aint replays.
"You may only set your birthday once, so make sure it's correct!"
Xiphiasar
Profile Joined April 2010
United States78 Posts
May 16 2010 19:11 GMT
#84
I watched the finals, but still enjoyed the writeup.

Too bad the Artosis DC incident gives the Slush v CathonLuck a slightly bad taste.
Izzachar
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden285 Posts
May 17 2010 12:00 GMT
#85
Where are the VODs (or replays)! I'm really anxoius to see this, have been on nevakes youtube channel checking every day for the last week and still only half of r08 up there.
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
May 17 2010 14:45 GMT
#86
Really nice done!
great tour
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Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 17 2010 15:41 GMT
#87
Yeah if someone can tell us when every VODs are uploaded, should be so nice!
#1 김택용 팬 | #1 화승 오즈 프로게임단 팬 | 스타2 하자! | 나를 찢어갈겨 이 씨발놈아 왜 나를 미치게 만들어 니가 뭘 아는데?
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
May 17 2010 17:27 GMT
#88
will there be drinks served? >_<
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Elprede
Profile Joined June 2010
74 Posts
June 02 2010 00:54 GMT
#89
I enjoyed reading this
BigDatez
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada434 Posts
July 06 2010 18:20 GMT
#90
We need another one of these soon.
But, i also suggest having a huge qualifier for a couple spots instead of having it completely invitational, because (no offense to ANYONE out there) But alot of random pubs who are simply "undiscovered" are quite a bit better than some of the people whom get invited to tournaments like these, but they just aren't all "hyped up" about quite yet, and qualifying for a huge event like this would surely help that out.
Video games > sex (Proven fact)
saluber
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States22 Posts
July 12 2010 01:05 GMT
#91
sweeet
En Taro Adun :)
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