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[SC2B] Gas Matters - Page 9

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Vhoidz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1 Post
April 30 2010 00:31 GMT
#161
This is a great article. Keep up the good work!
Its hard to argue with someone who seems so happy.
Jack_Acer75
Profile Joined April 2010
United States95 Posts
April 30 2010 04:56 GMT
#162
The biggest question I have is is there any difference between a 1(2) and a 2(1) because honestly the fact that the 2(1) jumps so much higher than the 1(1) is blowing my mind. Is this the same rate that a 1(2) would have though? It could possibly change my entire starting strategy!
Fear the Crackling Tsunami!
eLy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1 Post
May 01 2010 01:16 GMT
#163
I think gas consuption needs to be balanced early game by race. Terran seems to be very "eco-friendly" as far as this goes, whereas zerg requires a much more vasp/min ratio.
Fu-Fo-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7 Posts
May 01 2010 16:00 GMT
#164
U should work for newspaper. Or like Randy in SP. Nice article, but too much information and effort to have little point in the end.
Tiptup
Profile Joined June 2007
United States133 Posts
May 01 2010 22:56 GMT
#165
Very informative analysis. Till now I had only two starting options for gas. Either 3 on 1 or 6 on 2. Now, however, I might go with 2 on 1 or 5 on 2 if gas isn't desperately needed.
So certain are you.
Knollercoaster
Profile Joined May 2010
United States6 Posts
May 02 2010 00:00 GMT
#166
From what I have seen in the game, the rate at which you collect gas still works pretty well with various build orders.
rmolin88
Profile Joined January 2010
United States11 Posts
May 02 2010 03:05 GMT
#167
super hot article. that really shows how dedicated the starcraft fans are!!!! :D
Your only allies, are now your enemies
tjoonz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States11 Posts
May 02 2010 18:21 GMT
#168
i'm glad someone actually did this! thanks for going through this trouble
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
May 03 2010 01:11 GMT
#169
wow nice job, you definitely used your effort into this
정명훈 FIGHTING!!! Play both T and P.
NinetyWhon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States20 Posts
May 03 2010 16:28 GMT
#170
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Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
May 04 2010 08:35 GMT
#171
Someone should doublecheck me on this because if it's true then I'm honestly surprised that this data's gone this long undisputed. I ran a bunch of tests on blistering sands comparing 2 drones to 3 on an extractor and I found the 3rd drone to be just about as valuable as the 2nd. The 3 drones mined ~155gas/minute (2.58/s) and the 2 drones mined ~105gas/minute (1.75/s). This is considerably different than OP's data: 3(1) | 2.00 gas/second and 2(1) | 1.50 gas/second.

I ran the test a few times for 5 minutes each, but that should be accurate enough. I'm not sure if the discrepancy with OP is because of the geyser location, human error or some other unknown factor, but considering how a lot of the different trials in OP don't add up correctly, I'd say the data's a bit questionable. If you watch 3 drones mine a geyser, the wait period is practically nonexistant so I'm a little skeptical.
Old Sagat
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-04 19:38:48
May 04 2010 19:38 GMT
#172
On May 02 2010 01:00 Fu-Fo- wrote:
U should work for newspaper. Or like Randy in SP. Nice article, but too much information and effort to have little point in the end.

Yo, this guy is putting together a data and drawing a conclusion and all you can say is that it wasn't a big enough impact? How would he know what the impact would be if he hadn't done the data collection. Maybe there could have been a big discovery here. Like if Edison hadn't actually ever make a light bulb, it still wouldn't have been a waste because there was possibility of him actually making something happen. Now we know that there is a subtle difference between gas collection rates. G-d, just thank this guy for doing this on his own time for you. If you want it done better, shut up and do it yourself
if it isn't obvious, the above is a post I made to TL
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
May 05 2010 00:59 GMT
#173
On May 02 2010 01:00 Fu-Fo- wrote:
U should work for newspaper. Or like Randy in SP. Nice article, but too much information and effort to have little point in the end.


I dunno, I kind of like that he didn't make his point clear. I kind of feel that he's trying to get us to think of what we could do, now that we have all of this information on hand. This is the kind of information players will need to come up with truly innovative and creative builds.
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
NET
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States703 Posts
May 05 2010 04:51 GMT
#174
Appreciate the information you found. Even though the outcome may not have been a crazy breakthrough, it did clear the air of a lot of uncertainty I had regarding the two vespene geyser system in SC2.

I'm sure in due time there will be some sort of minuscule timing window where it may be effective to abuse. Then again its probably all map, race, and circumstance dependent.
"Dark Templar are the saviors of the Protoss Race." -Artosis
shoop
Profile Joined November 2009
United Kingdom228 Posts
May 05 2010 08:34 GMT
#175
On May 04 2010 17:35 Beakyboo wrote:
If you watch 3 drones mine a geyser, the wait period is practically nonexistant so I'm a little skeptical.


This IS strange: if it is because of geyser location, then either your geyser is further away than the OP's, or it is closer. Since you mine more gas per second with two drones than the OP did, it appears that your geyser is closer. But if it's closer, then the third drone should have at least as large a delay before it can get into the geyser, so the effectiveness of three drones should be decreased even more than in the OP. The only explanation I can think of is that your extractor is in fact further away AND you tested with a faster game speed.

As you may have noticed reading the previous posts in this thread, I think the analysis in the OP is in fact pretty bad, even though it is long and looks complicated and most people seem to love it to bits. I'm in favour of the following heuristic, which is safer, simpler and relies more on common sense than blindly adopting the figures from the OP: "if I see a drone waiting at the geyser, I'm not mining at optimum efficiency so I should consider placing more extractors". Sorry if that sounds simplistic. It's either that or test and memorize how far away the geysers are on all maps.

yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
May 05 2010 11:06 GMT
#176
the graph is missing the line for 3(1)
Fredoq
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden206 Posts
May 10 2010 14:15 GMT
#177
Great article and imba mathing skills!

You're awesome!!!
aaaaaah
Profile Joined May 2010
45 Posts
May 10 2010 21:53 GMT
#178
Very good analysis and everything =D Makes me think about how i start in SC2 beta nao.
=D
holybad
Profile Joined January 2010
United States9 Posts
May 12 2010 05:20 GMT
#179
this stuff reminds me of my physics labs. Exel ftw!!!
asking whymakes you wiser
Fizbin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada202 Posts
May 13 2010 20:47 GMT
#180
well after reading the whole thread im a little confused.... because in sc2 everything is so gas expensive.. ur going to want to saturate ur gas pretty quick. ontop of that all this talk about 4/2 5/2 pretty much only matter around 25 food or so and only lasts for like 5 food or so.. so in the grand scheme it really isnt important. u need SOOO much gas that if this article was about a 4th miner per gas node it would be much more interesting.

its even funny cause i see shoutcasters saying oh hey this guy has 4 guys on gass what an idiot. when the fact is on far gas it makes a difference.

im always gas starved and i play platinum. forces you to expand and get more tech building i guess.

ever notice with only 3 guys on a gas node u run outa mineral nodes earlier then gas even when they start at the same time.

woulda been nice if u guys had ANY data on what really matters... 4th miner.
just the tip
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