EPT[OSL] Offline Prelims Recap - Page 3
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
 And to get back on topic again - one of my subscribers told me I should post my hype video here, so I suppose I finally will - | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I have played Super Smash Bros Melee competitively for almost 6 years. I used to be the best player in Finland for quite a while and had no problems beating the other good players in my home or when visiting their houses or such. However, once I played on stage in a large tournament organized by Nintendo, I made a lot of fuck ups I'd never, ever make normally and played like shit. It's a lot different from playing offline. Even if my problem with playing in front of an audience might be bigger than most, I'm sure it's a factor for almost everyone. I'm not sure what your point is. That you've watched a lot of 815 replays? Well, good for you. He can be good in practice but that doesn't matter much in the OSL. They're not my predictions, but a recap? Well, read again. Seems like we get to look forward to your amazing recap of the next prelims with your extensive knowledge of the practice games and iccup games, since we all know that those matter more than how well you do under pressure and in broadcasted games. Last reply to you, don't care about amazing practice games until they achieve something useful. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On October 07 2009 03:39 Shikyo wrote: NukeTheStars: I thought I introduced you to SC2GG/SC2GG to you(at least you conveniently found them after I commented on your vid to contact them), and if you didn't know, I've been primarily from SC2GG since I got into Starcraft. I have played Super Smash Bros Melee competitively for almost 6 years. I used to be the best player in Finland for quite a while and had no problems beating the other good players in my home or when visiting their houses or such. However, once I played on stage in a large tournament organized by Nintendo, I made a lot of fuck ups I'd never, ever make normally and played like shit. It's a lot different from playing offline. Even if my problem with playing in front of an audience might be bigger than most, I'm sure it's a factor for almost everyone. I'm not sure what your point is. That you've watched a lot of 815 replays? Well, good for you. He can be good in practice but that doesn't matter much in the OSL. They're not my predictions, but a recap? Well, read again. Seems like we get to look forward to your amazing recap of the next prelims with your extensive knowledge of the practice games and iccup games, since we all know that those matter more than how well you do under pressure and in broadcasted games. Last reply to you, don't care about amazing practice games until they achieve something useful. Yeah sure, so let's call everyone trash, because they are so bad they don't deserve to be in the OSL, because they haven't achived anything. Great. Oh and you know the title reads 'Offline Prelims Recap' | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
So who wants to put bets on FBH beating another toss? | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Romad, idk why you are making these comments when he obviously put in a lot of effort to do this writeup. Who gives a shit what a player does offline in practice? You say a player is good in practice, but not in games? That means he is not a good player. Of course he is "good", but obviously not the favorite over S and A class players who Shikyo was predicting to win the group. He did the best he could with the information that was given to him. He doesn't have these secret replays like you do. Its far better to base a players results off of on stage (and prelim) games that actually count for something. You can't tell me Frozean is good because he beat Effort on iccup when Effort doesn't even care. You have to use the fact that did horrible im proleague. I mean are you honestly trying to say that a players is good if does well in practice as opposed to a player who delivers in pressure filled, important matches? You have got to be joking. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Group A  Pusan can do it beating  fOrGG and then Canata consecutively. Pusan should try really well even thought he was on fire in OSL/MSL prelims.Group B Bisu should take his group easily no matter who is it, Really or  Shine, he will win if he will not overrate himselfGroup D Barracks is not main problem for JangBi, he will win him if he want while Kwanro can be real obstacle. In last PvZ JangBi lost even to YellOw[ArnC], so it's really hard to predict who will win. It only matters who will prepare better.Group E This group is similar to Group B. After beating Jaedong 2-0 it is no problem for Stork to beat unknown Zerg ggaemo. Also after beating fantasy 2-0 it is no problem to beat sKyHigh. All that Stork should do is to play his standart play and don't chokeGroup K Who is Pure? No matter because Hyuk is nobody too. Leta is not king of TvP so Pure has at least a chance to surprise usThese Protoss will probably fail  :Group C BackHo is so middle player now while Calm is S-class player lately. Calm will probably destroy both Reality and BackHo 2-0.Group F Movie is real dark horse in this OSL. He already beated Jaedong in last MSL but he is still so inconsistent. Even if he will defeat Light he will probably lose to hero who is ZvP specializer.Group H Another dark horse Jaehoon find himself with low TvPer firebathero and last-generation Zerg ZerO who will probably eat Jaehoon, maybe with queens ttGroup I Poor poor GuemChi, he will play first set with Luxury. It's pity but he has no chance to win, maybe 1%  Group J Horang2 will most likely beat FrOzean but there is EffOrt in second set. No! It's trap! Change your group, Horang2, lol | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:01 Nick_54 wrote: Great write up Shikyo, thanks for putting in the time. I really enjoyed the summary. The ro36 looks very exciting with the Stork vs Skyhigh possibility. Romad, idk why you are making these comments when he obviously put in a lot of effort to do this writeup. Who gives a shit what a player does offline in practice? You say a player is good in practice, but not in games? That means he is not a good player. Of course he is "good", but obviously not the favorite over S and A class players who Shikyo was predicting to win the group. He did the best he could with the information that was given to him. He doesn't have these secret replays like you do. Its far better to base a players results off of on stage (and prelim) games that actually count for something. You can't tell me Frozean is good because he beat Effort on iccup when Effort doesn't even care. You have to use the fact that did horrible im proleague. I mean are you honestly trying to say that a players is good if does well in practice as opposed to a player who delivers in pressure filled, important matches? You have got to be joking. Probably i am taking this too hard, but it was unnecessary to put such lines as 'Seriously, Jaehoon?', 'Oh god. FrOzean? CuteAngel? In The OSL? Oh god! That's all I can say' etc etc | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:01 Nick_54 wrote: Great write up Shikyo, thanks for putting in the time. I really enjoyed the summary. The ro36 looks very exciting with the Stork vs Skyhigh possibility. Romad, idk why you are making these comments when he obviously put in a lot of effort to do this writeup. Who gives a shit what a player does offline in practice? You say a player is good in practice, but not in games? That means he is not a good player. Of course he is "good", but obviously not the favorite over S and A class players who Shikyo was predicting to win the group. He did the best he could with the information that was given to him. He doesn't have these secret replays like you do. Its far better to base a players results off of on stage (and prelim) games that actually count for something. You can't tell me Frozean is good because he beat Effort on iccup when Effort doesn't even care. You have to use the fact that did horrible im proleague. I mean are you honestly trying to say that a players is good if does well in practice as opposed to a player who delivers in pressure filled, important matches? You have got to be joking. Bolded part is what really is important here and something certain people need to realize. Also, thanks a lot for the post! ^_^ I agree with everything you said, by the way. Romad, I believe what I said and you can disagree, but don't call me clueless if I think Iris is more exciting than Frozean. Now last reply to you, stop tempting >< | ||
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StalkerSC
Canada378 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:08 Shikyo wrote: Bolded part is what really is important here and something certain people need to realize. Also, thanks a lot for the post! ^_^ I agree with everything you said, by the way. Romad, I believe what I said and you can disagree, but don't call me clueless if I think Iris is more exciting than Frozean. Now last reply to you, stop tempting >< Stop putting words into my mouth and ignoring the point i make. Cheers. | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
So yeah youre my fucking hero atm | ||
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ImNotBisu
Canada142 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
From what I gathered your point was that although some players aren't popular and are said to be bad they're still very good compared to most people. I know that. Another possible point was that you watch a lot of offline replays and hence know about the players, to that I answer that this is a televised tournament. If it's me being too mean to bad players, well I don't want the write-up to be too fake. If it's something else, you didn't bring your point up very well. Really tired of this. -_- Write the next prelim write-up. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On October 06 2009 23:17 (paladin)roMAD wrote: Believe me, i know for sure who played on what account. And i've watched replays not just pure ICCup statistics. The OP statements about some players reflect a generalized opinion of tl.net community. It has nothing to do with comparison, they are considered bad in general. Sorry for not believing a random russian TL user who uses shared iccup accounts to judge a players skill. An all knowing guy like you wouldn't have missed that koreans mostly share their iccup accounts would you?I'm saying clearly how stupid it is to base skill off of your own guesswork about players you don't even have 100% proof is really them. Stop thinking you know something that the rest of us doesn't because you don't. Basing pure skill on TV appearances only is obviously not 100% accurate but it's one hell of a lot better than your methods which doesn't even guarantee that your observations are from the right player. Even if you would know a players iccup account how many replays have you actually watched of his? 50+? I don't think so. And please don't use "Trust me I know I'm right" as an argument again unless you want to be ripped apart by 100 nerds again. Why would I trust someone I don't know and never heard of? | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:41 StarBrift wrote: Sorry for not believing a random russian TL user who uses shared iccup accounts to judge a players skill. What? He got a frigging unique name tag ofc hes not a 'random russian TL user' | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:39 Shikyo wrote: Did you know that if I say some player is bad, I mean that he's bad compared to the good players and underdogs against the whole top 16? Not that they're bad compared to the rest of the world? No? Apparently. From what I gathered your point was that although some players aren't popular and are said to be bad they're still very good compared to most people. I know that. Another possible point was that you watch a lot of offline replays and hence know about the players, to that I answer that this is a televised tournament. If it's me being too mean to bad players, well I don't want the write-up to be too fake. If it's something else, you didn't bring your point up very well. Really tired of this. -_- Write the next prelim write-up. First of all it's not a televised tourney as PL, OSL and MSL. This is a huge difference. To summarize, my point was that you can't put it like that: 'Oh god. FrOzean? CuteAngel? In The OSL? Oh god! That's all I can say', because all your knowledge about his skill is TV games. He's bad yet somehow he did manage to win his group. Why, u think, so many upsets happen every qualifier? Because they are all damn good. There are some players who are on another level of the game, but most of them are already seeded. The good example is Sea. He is an amazing player, but he can't perform at his full potential on stage and i still think it's not too late for him to learn setting up the right winning mentality. That's why practice games mean much, they show at what level a player can potentially perform. Most of the participants can beat almost every pro given no pressure. FrOzean or Jaehoon or w/e can fail horribly in RO32 of OSL, but they can also perform to their full potential and show great starcraft. I just thought that the recap should be written in a rather neutral tone, but all i can see here is bias. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 07 2009 04:41 StarBrift wrote: Sorry for not believing a random russian TL user who uses shared iccup accounts to judge a players skill. An all knowing guy like you wouldn't have missed that koreans mostly share their iccup accounts would you?I'm saying clearly how stupid it is to base skill off of your own guesswork about players you don't even have 100% proof is really them. Stop thinking you know something that the rest of us doesn't because you don't. Basing pure skill on TV appearances only is obviously not 100% accurate but it's one hell of a lot better than your methods which doesn't even guarantee that your observations are from the right player. Even if you would know a players iccup account how many replays have you actually watched of his? 50+? I don't think so. And please don't use "Trust me I know I'm right" as an argument again unless you want to be ripped apart by 100 nerds again. Why would I trust someone I don't know and never heard of? Well, he's probably watched quite a few as he can recognize just about every pro and even most amateurs by their hotkeys in replays, I'd imagine he knows Korean and he's talked to progamers before. I respect him, however, I think his attitude is really crappy here and I do believe it's not a good idea to judge how how good players are by their offline performance. I mean, Magma was kind of known as the practice game king, but he never managed to bring it to the televised games. Now he's retired, and how many people know that he actually was really good? Not many. EDIT: Okay Romad, your last post makes no sense. I know everything you said. And I also know that they'll play significantly worse in televised games. Hence it's bad that the players who play well in TV get knocked out. Because it's useless for the players who're bad on TV to win the prelims, because when the games go online they'll just suck. And that's all we, as the spectators, care about. How well they do in the televised games. If they'll just suck, it's a bad thing. So explain that to someone who doesn't know that, I'm done. | ||
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