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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:06 GMT
#1946
Hmm...Town MVP 0cz3c? I seem to think that his defense was pretty useless, inflammatory, and quite frankly mafiaish but maybe I'm missing something?
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:10 GMT
#1950
On May 24 2009 15:09 Tricode wrote:
MVP Ocz3c?

most valuable player?


I meant why is he MVP not what is mvp...seriously I should start ignoring your posts.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:13 GMT
#1956
Oh also was the two BGs dying luck or was there behavior analysis/claiming involved?
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:17 GMT
#1963
On May 24 2009 15:14 L wrote:
That's why i switched the vig to him. I figured MBH would be killed 100% the next day because if i died it was so obvious he was mafia.

In all fairness, there was a HUGE bandwagon attempt, but town should be running the numbers on their chances of survival to see how ambitious mafia are going to be with the votes.


And you still medic protected him...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-24 06:24:10
May 24 2009 06:23 GMT
#1972
On May 24 2009 15:16 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 15:06 Incognito wrote:
Hmm...Town MVP 0cz3c? I seem to think that his defense was pretty useless, inflammatory, and quite frankly mafiaish but maybe I'm missing something?

Absolutely you are. He outplayed everyone else this game by a decently large margin. Reread his posts. He only got agressive in his posting when people ignored his first posts. His reads were 100% correct. He caught MBH Showtime! and BloodyC0bbler but nobody listened to him.



It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:26 GMT
#1975
BC when did you get in contact with the mafia?
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:27 GMT
#1977
On May 24 2009 15:26 Caller wrote:
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On May 24 2009 15:26 Incognito wrote:
BC when did you get in contact with the mafia?

he wrote MBH as mafia a long time ago

apparently he didn't suspect me as red until the night i died


Hardly anyone (except MTF?) knew you were mafia until the end...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:33 GMT
#1983
When you act bulldoggish nobody wants to listen to you. Even if you're right. So just don't do it.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:34 GMT
#1985
And I'm still confused maybe MBH can clarify? What did you exactly think I was? Since you did say you thought I was DT then disappeared. Were you ever sure of this?
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 06:36 GMT
#1988
On May 24 2009 15:33 Ace wrote:
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On May 24 2009 15:33 Incognito wrote:
When you act bulldoggish nobody wants to listen to you. Even if you're right. So just don't do it.



nah, I'll keep doing it. I like to see the looks on your faces after.


I feel no regrets on killing you if you do it.

My face:

before your lynch : -_-

after your lynch: -_-
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 07:24 GMT
#1997
Anyway, Mafia played a great game and should have won.


Actually...

Town played a terrible game and should have lost.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 07:28 GMT
#2001
On May 24 2009 16:26 Tricode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 24 2009 16:24 Incognito wrote:
Anyway, Mafia played a great game and should have won.


Actually...

Town played a terrible game and should have lost.


seconded


My only regret was not being able to get you killed like i wanted.


Maybe I should have just not switched my joke vote of killing BC...

And 0cz was kind of right at the end. Bad presentation and bad timing though. MVP probably should be MTF...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 24 2009 07:34 GMT
#2006
On May 24 2009 16:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Town mvp should be 0cz3c, the guy had our numbers, and hard. MTF as a close second.

Mafia mvp should be L for the obvious work he did for us.

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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 25 2009 00:01 GMT
#2067
Sigh. The end of game comments. The time where everyone yells about how they knew X and Y were mafia and how Z was MVP because he guessed correctly that X and Y were mafia...

A while ago (don't remember when, but I think it was after a game where mafia got completely destroyed), we discussed how most people didn't know how to play mafia well. Well, now that's kinda different. People know how to play mafia decently, they don't know how to play town well. Seriously all of this "I knew X and Y were mafia from day 2" BS doesn't matter if nobody can trust you as town. The yelling and other chaotic tactics employed by L/0cz3c/Ace don't help the town either. This style behavior makes it fairly easy for them to hide when they are in fact mafia. The ambiguity and chaos caused does not help the town.

Its not the town's responsibility to figure out what you're really trying to say. Its not the town's responsibility to "read objectively". The only reason you'd have to post emotionally is when you're mafia. Its not your job to be right then act strangely arrogantly just because you are right. Its your job to make the town think you're innocent, then proceed accordingly. I think that people like Ace play this game simply to prove that they are right. They yell a lot, get themselves lynched, then yell back at the town saying how they suck and that they were too blind to see what was in front of them...It doesn't help at all. All it gives them is bragging rights to tell the town how they were right all along and that the town is stupid. At the point where you start bulldogging you might as well be dead. They are useless to you alive. Nobody will or wants to or even should listen to you KNOWING WHAT THEY KNOW at that point. Of course in retrospect you can yell at them and say how they suck, but it makes no sense when AT THE MOMENT you are just bringing suspicion onto yourself and not helping the town.

A lot of townies did not do their job to make it clear that they were town aligned. I won't mention names but seriously you can't expect to construct poor defense, appear out of nowhere with accusations, and yell when there are better things you can be doing to help the town. Painting yourself as a target does not help the town at all. A townie's first job is not to find mafia. It is to make sure that he looks like a townie. Otherwise looking for mafia is hopeless. A lot of townies made themselves very suspicious. Mafia capitalized on this fact. As a rule, concern yourself with taking care of your own role before looking at other people's roles.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 25 2009 00:14 GMT
#2068
Also what did you guys think about the mandatory voting? Seems to me it didn't help activity all that much, it just made people more suspicious even if they were town. *cough* camlito *cough* plexa...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 25 2009 01:47 GMT
#2077
People always ignore what they did wrong and tell others that they're pointing fingers. It gets us nowhere.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 25 2009 01:52 GMT
#2079
On May 25 2009 10:50 Malongo wrote:
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On May 25 2009 10:47 Incognito wrote:
People always ignore what they did wrong and tell others that they're pointing fingers. It gets us nowhere.

I love how a DT got the other DT scared enough to roleclaim.


???
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-25 01:59:54
May 25 2009 01:59 GMT
#2081
Oh. Hahaha.

Was that my mistake...? Or his...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 25 2009 03:30 GMT
#2087
Im not complaining. Except for the fact that you were talking to mafias. Oops I was doing that too. Why do I always get screwed over talking to GFs...or be a GF myself. Hey that's pretty fun...
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 26 2009 00:21 GMT
#2109
On May 25 2009 17:51 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2009 13:04 Ace wrote:
On May 25 2009 11:53 Showtime! wrote:
On May 25 2009 04:52 Ace wrote:
@Showtime!

You guys were a lot farther from the win than you think. The game only tipped when you and MBH came out in public and started posting.

Before that, if anyone was paying attention you guys pretty much had no chance to win because you were too exposed. Once Ver died - you, Caller, and BC were all out in the open.

Also lol @ blue sniping: look at what MBH just posted. Come on man how many times do I have to tell you guys I don't believe in that shit. If people just stop trying to play the game in PM land and keep their heads in the thread they'd stop fucking themselves and the town over.


Do you want to read our MSN chat logs?

Matt not only knew who was blue (with the exception of Lucas and MM because there was no way of telling they were BGs), but he knew their exact role.

Originally we were going to get Heavon and Tricode. 9v6 or 8v6 (with Cam Modkilled). Do the math and look who was left.

It would have been easy. We had everything planned out, so don't give me that whole 'you were far from winning shit.' Qatol was going to end the game as long as we lynched off two greens. End of story. There were too many mishaps and all of us were sick and tired of it.


your talking about the very last night, I'm telling you you had it lost days before that.

If you really think you had it that easy then you wouldn't have felt the need to quit.

you fail. GG.

Well, yes and no. If town had 2-3 more players who were active, yes. But they didn't, so no.

Then again, look at the replies here. People are like 'LOL ITS NOT THE TOWN'S JOB TO THINK", "PLEASE GUIDE US IN A SHEEP-LIKE MANNER". Maybe 2-3 people wouldn't have done anything afterall :3.


I never said its not the town's job to think. But your later post did say what I was trying to get at:


This very auto-aggressive defence when criticized is exactly what I'm talking about. It makes you too suspicious as a townie, and sets you up for a mafia seeded fake clue interpretation or behavioral analysis.

Its really quite difficult when sniffing out mafia to have to sift through townies that are self incriminating.


I think we can agree that it is better to force mafia to look townish via townies making sure they look green instead of allowing mafia the luxury to appear suspicious because of townies who are doing the same. Simple activity is not enough. Mafia still hid well in this game even though most people were active. People need to be active, but they must act in the right way to force the mafia to act like the town. If townies self incriminate, we have even more problems.
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