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On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 06:22 CDRdude wrote:On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. Perhaps you didn't see what happened in the last game; it was a worse rape than the OSL finals. The town needs to get it's act together this time, and start making a comeback. Also, the plan isn't that bad. It gives a known townie information, which always helps, and he can use that to reduce the odds of hitting town instead of mafia. I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. errrr...actually the reason most people don't lose to that is because if you can see it coming (and usually from the first move you can) it's pretty easy to stop. (unless you're thinking of something else)
Anyways, it kinda sounds like someone's just sore that mafia is gonna lose
...hmmm? 
Also if we were doing anything illegal I'm sure Chuiu would've just stopped us, and it's not like this strategy is insta-win (far from it). If mafia is even slightly clever they'll be able to get around this.
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lol yeah, I don't really see where this is supposed to be cheap. All the mafia has to do is just PM "yeah I'm a regular townie" and bam, we're back at square one.
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On March 21 2008 07:18 decafchicken wrote:
I bet ace's plan is actually just annoy the mafia members into an outrage at how easy he makes it look for the town, giving themselves away. Whether or not that's his plan, it seems to be working =D
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On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 07:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. You must suck at starcraft and every other competitive game out there. The best players always find cheap exploits to gain a slight advantage over their opponents. Mafia is no exception, especially since this is a competitive forum for one of the most competitive games ever. If you wanted to lose, you shouldn't have joined in this game. Unless, that is, you are mafia. Not neccessarily accusing you, you might just be really, really stupid. Same goes for HeroeS)Pink (should we be paying attention to the mr. pink clue or is that too obvious? Damn you for picking a clue like that chuiu). Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. That's a horrible example. We're playing this game perfectly within the boundaries of the rules, for your analogy to make any sense we would've had to do something drastic like hacking into everyone's accounts and checking their PM's.
If you want to talk about SC examples. We're 4pooling you mafia guys, and you're complaining about how we're ruining the game because of a "cheap" strategy that you can't get around (it's not that hard).
Edit: and obviously we're going to keep looking out for clues, but since there are like 130 guys, there are going to be times where clues point to more than one guy. So we need other tactics to narrow down the choices.
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On March 21 2008 07:43 French_Toast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 07:31 Falcynn wrote:On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote:On March 21 2008 07:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. You must suck at starcraft and every other competitive game out there. The best players always find cheap exploits to gain a slight advantage over their opponents. Mafia is no exception, especially since this is a competitive forum for one of the most competitive games ever. If you wanted to lose, you shouldn't have joined in this game. Unless, that is, you are mafia. Not neccessarily accusing you, you might just be really, really stupid. Same goes for HeroeS)Pink (should we be paying attention to the mr. pink clue or is that too obvious? Damn you for picking a clue like that chuiu). Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. That's a horrible example. We're playing this game perfectly within the boundaries of the rules, for your analogy to make any sense we would've had to do something drastic like hacking into everyone's accounts and checking their PM's. If you want to talk about SC examples. We're 4pooling you mafia guys, and you're complaining about how we're ruining the game because of a "cheap" strategy that you can't get around (it's not that hard). Edit: and obviously we're going to keep looking out for clues, but since there are like 130 guys, there are obviously going to be times where clues point to more than one guy. So we need other tactics to narrow down the choices. Of course you are playing by the rules, you just chose to go the wrong way to go about it. You are not hacking, or cheating, a better way to describe it would be glitching. Look, let's say everyone responds truthfully except for the Mafia. Unless the Mafia are stupid they will all claim to be townies. Now, what you have is, all special roles are safe and medics can be assigned via PM. Also you have 31 innocents and you know everyone's special role. So, then you could also coordinate attacks with vigilantes, investigations with detectives, and other stuff. HOW CHEAP IS THAT? You are pretty much assembling an organized army and reducing possible suspects by 31! This game is set for you! Unless the mafia are super awesome you are pretty much 4 pooling them. I'm sure you guys will come up with something to counter this  I'd rather not share how the mafia can counter this since I don't want to give them ideas, but it is possible. Town will gain a slight advantage, but mafia can still win easily.
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Sorry, meant to say "At worst, town will gain a slight advantage..."
However despite that, this plan isn't 100% fool proof like you seem to be trying to make it out to be.
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If I can come up with counters to what the mafia might be able to do, then I'll post what I'm thinking of right now. However if the mafia does what I'm thinking of, I'm not sure if there's a decent way to catch them. So until I can think of a way to close this hole, I'd rather not discuss it (since I'm hoping that the mafia won't think of it).
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On March 21 2008 08:15 French_Toast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 07:54 LucasWoJ wrote:
Jeez, it sounds like you're against the town winning. If it's by the rules, why complain about what you feel is inevitable victory? Sure sounds like your against the interest of the town. It sounds like you're a mafioso who's having trouble deciding on what to do. I think I already addressed this, whatever I'll say it again. In the previous posts I made, one of my arguments was that it would make the game less fun. Mafia is supposed to be about digging up clues and dirt on people, convincing your theory is right to other people, and having fun in general. These kind of games can become epic and fun to read, but if you use a cheap win you will lose all of that. TBH mafia is originally supposed to be played without any clues and you usually win using strategies like what we're using (ok...not really like them, but close enough). Clues are only used for large internet games where it's hard to personally get to know people and understand their character.
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On March 21 2008 11:20 Lysithea wrote:That's assuming mafia can't roleblock eachother.. can they? Nothing in the OP says they can't roleblock other mafias. Would be nice if Chuiu could answer this otherwise the grand plan could've been to roleblock ace for "proof" and therefore get a shitload of info on blues. Theorycrafting again, I'm pretty sure ace is legit myself, just getting my thoughts out there. I'd wait ~½-1day more before I'd completely trust him. That wouldn't work, because the detective's still gonna check him out.
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On March 21 2008 12:04 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 11:18 SonuvBob wrote:
If Ace isn't roleblocked, it'll show up when he votes tomorrow (6 votes vs 1). It'd be a bad idea to lie about that. It doesn't affect voting. ehhh...I think Chuiu might have to clear that up. It says that it doesn't affect the right to vote, not how many votes you get.
Edit: damn, beaten by opz
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On March 22 2008 00:36 BlindAlbino wrote:
I was wonder, if mafia try hit me and i am "veteran" what happen? i dont understand The next time you have a question like this, you'd probably be better off PM'ing Chuiu. Because now, if you're not mafia, the mafia are going to probably guess you're a veteran.
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True. I was mostly just getting that out there, so that anyone else with a special role should just PM Chuiu if they have a question regarding their role.
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On March 22 2008 00:53 Showtime! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2008 00:45 Falcynn wrote:On March 22 2008 00:36 BlindAlbino wrote:
I was wonder, if mafia try hit me and i am "veteran" what happen? i dont understand The next time you have a question like this, you'd probably be better off PM'ing Chuiu. Because now, if you're not mafia, the mafia are going to probably guess you're a veteran. Or perhaps he is mafia trying to pose as one. Misdirection leads to direction. I already figured that hence why I said "if you're not mafia..."
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Ok, I just want to tell something to the mafia.
I asked Chuiu and he says if I die I can continue updating my blog as long as I keep it unbiased. So if you guys put a hit on me because of that, too bad. Even if you succeeded you wouldn't stop me
 pp
Edit: still got 6 pages to read.
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On March 22 2008 15:22 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2008 15:06 Falcynn wrote:Ok, I just want to tell something to the mafia. I asked Chuiu and he says if I die I can continue updating my blog as long as I keep it unbiased. So if you guys put a hit on me because of that, too bad. Even if you succeeded you wouldn't stop me p p Edit: still got 6 pages to read. well, now we know one person who was targeted that didn't die. this wasn't a very smart post of you to make IMO... it really seems out of character for you. it also seems to follow the trend that the mafia seem to be targeting active, thoughtful posters. although neax and goldenkrnboi are exceptions, perhaps they were killed to throw us off? i'm going to bed... will catch up on clues with you guys tomorrow. Yeah, I'm sleepy and not thinking straight, and coming home to see all of this just kind of got me overexcited. I know I'm going to regret that post. Anyways, the mafia should already know that I was protected due to the fact that I'm not dead.
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Alright, now I'm REALLY going to bed. I added a new section to my blog if anyone cares, I think it might help us figure out on which clues would be good to look back on. If you'd like to help me out just PM or post anything you would like to add.
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On March 23 2008 01:28 ZBiR wrote:yeah, you are And really, I don't think the mood icon could mean anything, it's much more probable that it links to quote or abundant smiley use in posts. Yeah, it'd seem more plausible for the clue to be related to signatures than mood, because some people change their mood icons all the time. Also I guess I could just be defending it since I've had the same mood icon for the last 2~ years.
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On March 23 2008 02:41 L wrote:I hope i don't mess up my image linking.. Show nested quote +
Nah, you're wrong. Mr Pink used Mynock's head like a flail, he was holding Mynock's long hair and hitting with his head (which was attached to his hair obv)
Now that I think about it. that's kinda blatant. Holy...shit. Nice find! Yeah, it's kind of obvious, but some of the clues from last game were blatantly obvious as well.
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This recent finding along with the clue from last day.
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20#391
makes me think Ghar should be a good candidate for lynching. The only thing I'm not sure about is why would Ghar try to enact that detective plan, because he would obviously be found out. Unless maybe he was sacrificing himself to rid the town of the mayor and possibly one or two detectives, and the ability to get rid of the bodyguards to get the pardoner. Seems like a pretty damn good motive actually...alright, I'm gonna put my vote for him and change it if something better comes up.
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On March 23 2008 02:56 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2008 02:41 L wrote:I hope i don't mess up my image linking..
Nah, you're wrong. Mr Pink used Mynock's head like a flail, he was holding Mynock's long hair and hitting with his head (which was attached to his hair obv)
+ Show Spoiler +Now that I think about it. that's kinda blatant. oh shit, nice find! Could you point where is this post of Ghar located? Cause I read the whole thread, but don't remember that pic. EDIT: nvm, found it
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=17#324
Right there.
Edit: awww too late.
Oh, and it seems Ghar announced his candidacy before the game started, so in a way he was pretty much forced to continue his campaign no matter what or people would get suspicious.
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