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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2008 03:14 GMT
#2841
This is all before Day 2.

Empryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
HeRoS)Pink
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
March 26 2008 03:14 GMT
#2842
On March 26 2008 12:09 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 12:07 Ace wrote:
THis dude is very odd, as even when logic stares him in the face he refuses to look.



Was that part added after or before the way he chose to vote on Day 2?

Probably when i was talking against the town, as the * we all tell him our role* and stuff like that. also that i wasnt really cooperating*** with him

***dunno if thats an english word
Addicted
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
March 26 2008 03:24 GMT
#2843
I kept up with this thread after it reached 1000 posts but now.....*sigh*
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 26 2008 03:32 GMT
#2844
On March 26 2008 12:24 Masamune wrote:
I kept up with this thread after it reached 1000 posts but now.....*sigh*


dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony.

anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 26 2008 04:55 GMT
#2845
On March 26 2008 12:32 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 12:24 Masamune wrote:
I kept up with this thread after it reached 1000 posts but now.....*sigh*


dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony.

anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm


Chuiu has a kidneystone. Dapperdan is AWOL. Chill.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
March 26 2008 05:09 GMT
#2846
Ahh damn headache again from reading too many pages!. Still GG town for getting a mafioso, keep up the good work Ace. Gotta go study.
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 26 2008 05:57 GMT
#2847
I'll get day up tomorrow afternoon. Sit tight.
♞
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-26 06:07:11
March 26 2008 06:06 GMT
#2848
well, if we're sitting loose that implies anal rape :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 26 2008 06:10 GMT
#2849
sit lose then
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2008 06:12 GMT
#2850
On March 26 2008 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:
sit lose then


loose not lose, no Ninja edit 4 u!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 26 2008 06:35 GMT
#2851
Presumably, this is the post a whole lot of you bored folks have been waiting for.

----------

By now, Ace has enough information on us, and enough of us trust him to lead the opposing side to an easy victory. Assuming he's mafioso that is, it's unlikely but still plausible.

Imagine this scenario, if you will.

1) Ace is a member of the Death Company.
2) Ace is roleblocked by fellow cult member.
3) His word leads Town to an early lead.
4) No detectives speak out about him.... causing the town to trust Ace absolutely.
5) Ace sets up two blue townies, and we all follow him like lemmings.
6) The dead's allegiances are revealed, and all Ace has to do is say "huh"

Now i'll explain why this is possible.
1) Obvious, he was given the role.
2) A clever ruse, to help Ace gain our trust. Here is what chuiu has to say about Saboteurs: "he may disable one players [sic] abilities" It doesn't say that this person may not be a fellow Satan Worshiper.
3) Again, a clever ruse.
4) Look again at the detective's ability. The detective has 3 powers, one of which would be useless in determining Ace's colour. The other two are:

-You have the ability to ask me whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer.
-You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has.

If a detective used the first ability, chances are he's going to get back a "no". If he uses the second, chances are that he's going to get "no special role" returned. In both cases, the detective will not speak up. Leading us, and the detectives, to believe Ace walks in the light.

5) Judging from the reaction to wurm's denouncement, Ace has deduced correctly that he is able to kill off two important townies tomorrow afternoon, simply by having the majority follow him like sheep.

6) If two townies are hung, or two blues... Ace is still in the clear. All he needs to do is sight wurm's behavior and the action will be justified. From this point on, all that he needs to do is implore people to vote for X, and X will be hung. By the time we figure out what is going on, it will be too late.

So, there you have it... Ace COULD be a Viper, playing the role of his life. It's unlikely, but I implore everybody to consider the fundamental theorem of this game: Only trust yourself, the dead, and confirmed teammates (Diablo's fellow minions, Bodyguards if Mayor).

Keep in mind that Ace is a very intelligent person. Isn't it possible that Ace thought through this logic before me and discovered a sure fire way for the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad to win the game. Wouldn't it be damned fun to play the way Ace is now?

-----------------

That being said, I by and large trust Ace and I have a large dose of respect for many of his ideas... but what has prompted me to speak up is this plan of his for tomorrow's vote.

IT'S RETARDED.

You're splitting up two different lists, in the hope that the demon's will present themselves in a more obvious light. This in itself has nothing wrong with it, but (assuming your town) haven't considered the ramifications.

1) More than likely, more than a few people will not vote... and claim they were away. Leading to the whole system being a farce.

But it gets worse...

2) Chances are, you aren't going to catch anybody. You'll have a list of people in which some are Undead... but you could do just as well by taking a random sample. Good work.

3) You're wasting an entire day/night cycle of detective power.

4) You're setting up a situation where YOU decide who the two suspects are to be. This is a problem not only because there is still a chance you might be mafia... but you exclude the town from making up their own minds. Bad for entertainment value, and also the key precepts upon which the town should always vote. Making up your own mind about who to vote for and not jumping upon bandwagons.

5) Deserter's such as myself are required to be punished, otherwise the whole idea falls down. But what about if they have actual reasons for not doing as you wish? What if they see your idea as being flawed, or do not trust you?

I shall not vote as you prescribe Ace. It's stupid and almost counterproductive assuming you are town, and truly terrible if you are satanic. I encourage you all to start thinking for yourselves once more.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2008 06:41 GMT
#2852
you know that makes no sense right?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 26 2008 06:53 GMT
#2853
A chink in your armor there Ace? Thats the best you can come up with? I make no sense?

I don't mean to suggest that you are part of the multi-international corporation, simply that you could be.

However, I DO mean to suggest that your plan for tomorrow's voting is stupid, because it is. If there were higher numbers of mafia in each list... I might condone it. As it stands however, if you took a random sample... your data would probably lie within 1 std deviation of what you've got. Not enough to act upon. Give up, try another tack.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
March 26 2008 06:56 GMT
#2854
Yeah what he said.

KILLLLLLLLL HEEEEEEEEEERRRRRR.


KILL HER. HANG HER NOW PLEASE.


HANNNNG HHHHHHEEERRR
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2008 07:05 GMT
#2855
On March 26 2008 15:53 Alethios wrote:
A chink in your armor there Ace? Thats the best you can come up with? I make no sense?

I don't mean to suggest that you are part of the multi-international corporation, simply that you could be.

However, I DO mean to suggest that your plan for tomorrow's voting is stupid, because it is. If there were higher numbers of mafia in each list... I might condone it. As it stands however, if you took a random sample... your data would probably lie within 1 std deviation of what you've got. Not enough to act upon. Give up, try another tack.


explain your math, because right now it's not adding up.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-26 07:09:52
March 26 2008 07:09 GMT
#2856
If that is the last defence of the mafia then they just failed.







Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 26 2008 07:18 GMT
#2857
On March 26 2008 16:09 Showtime! wrote:
If that is the last defence of the mafia then they just failed.








Please tell me you aren't talking about Ace... If so, please go and read what I actually had to say.

-----
On March 26 2008 16:05 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 15:53 Alethios wrote:
A chink in your armor there Ace? Thats the best you can come up with? I make no sense?

I don't mean to suggest that you are part of the multi-international corporation, simply that you could be.

However, I DO mean to suggest that your plan for tomorrow's voting is stupid, because it is. If there were higher numbers of mafia in each list... I might condone it. As it stands however, if you took a random sample... your data would probably lie within 1 std deviation of what you've got. Not enough to act upon. Give up, try another tack.


explain your math, because right now it's not adding up.


Put simply... 1/7 Guilty in the first lot (this is your better sample) is still only 14.3% mafia. Compare this to the total murderers in the game, over the total players. 22/130 = 16.9% mafia

Then you have your 10/58 Guilty in the second lot.... Which is slightly more at 10/58 = 17.2% but still not far from the mean. Furthermore, much more effort is required to separate out these mafia than in the first lot.

Seriously... I don't buy your "math isn't adding up" for a second. I realise that (assuming you ARE town) you have to maintain the trust of the town, but persisting with this stupid scheme isn't helping in the slightest.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
March 26 2008 07:22 GMT
#2858
I thought the saboteur and suicide bomber were included in the 20 mafia o.o, because there are 110 townies out of 130, so thats 20 left for mafia slots. therefore its 20/130, not 22/130
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
March 26 2008 07:24 GMT
#2859
You are blinder and dumber than I thought.

bye bye kiwi.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 26 2008 07:25 GMT
#2860
On March 26 2008 16:22 Alventenie wrote:
I thought the saboteur and suicide bomber were included in the 20 mafia o.o, because there are 110 townies out of 130, so thats 20 left for mafia slots. therefore its 20/130, not 22/130

Ah good point. Rather misleading first post. I conceed this however.

The total percentage of Mafia is infact 15.4%

Doesn't change a thing however. Your lists have about the error you'd expect to find in a random sample.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
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