EPTEmpryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out.
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Empryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out. | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
On March 26 2008 12:09 LucasWoJ wrote: Was that part added after or before the way he chose to vote on Day 2?  Probably when i was talking against the town, as the * we all tell him our role* and stuff like that. also that i wasnt really cooperating*** with him ***dunno if thats an english word | ||
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Masamune
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 26 2008 12:24 Masamune wrote: I kept up with this thread after it reached 1000 posts but now.....*sigh* dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony. anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm  | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 26 2008 12:32 JeeJee wrote: dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony. anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm Chuiu has a kidneystone. Dapperdan is AWOL. Chill. | ||
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HotZhot
Colombia677 Posts
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Chuiu
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 26 2008 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: sit lose then loose not lose, no Ninja edit 4 u! | ||
Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
---------- By now, Ace has enough information on us, and enough of us trust him to lead the opposing side to an easy victory. Assuming he's mafioso that is, it's unlikely but still plausible. Imagine this scenario, if you will. 1) Ace is a member of the Death Company. 2) Ace is roleblocked by fellow cult member. 3) His word leads Town to an early lead. 4) No detectives speak out about him.... causing the town to trust Ace absolutely. 5) Ace sets up two blue townies, and we all follow him like lemmings. 6) The dead's allegiances are revealed, and all Ace has to do is say "huh" Now i'll explain why this is possible. 1) Obvious, he was given the role. 2) A clever ruse, to help Ace gain our trust. Here is what chuiu has to say about Saboteurs: "he may disable one players [sic] abilities" It doesn't say that this person may not be a fellow Satan Worshiper. 3) Again, a clever ruse. 4) Look again at the detective's ability. The detective has 3 powers, one of which would be useless in determining Ace's colour. The other two are: -You have the ability to ask me whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. -You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. If a detective used the first ability, chances are he's going to get back a "no". If he uses the second, chances are that he's going to get "no special role" returned. In both cases, the detective will not speak up. Leading us, and the detectives, to believe Ace walks in the light. 5) Judging from the reaction to wurm's denouncement, Ace has deduced correctly that he is able to kill off two important townies tomorrow afternoon, simply by having the majority follow him like sheep. 6) If two townies are hung, or two blues... Ace is still in the clear. All he needs to do is sight wurm's behavior and the action will be justified. From this point on, all that he needs to do is implore people to vote for X, and X will be hung. By the time we figure out what is going on, it will be too late. So, there you have it... Ace COULD be a Viper, playing the role of his life. It's unlikely, but I implore everybody to consider the fundamental theorem of this game: Only trust yourself, the dead, and confirmed teammates (Diablo's fellow minions, Bodyguards if Mayor). Keep in mind that Ace is a very intelligent person. Isn't it possible that Ace thought through this logic before me and discovered a sure fire way for the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad to win the game. Wouldn't it be damned fun to play the way Ace is now? ----------------- That being said, I by and large trust Ace and I have a large dose of respect for many of his ideas... but what has prompted me to speak up is this plan of his for tomorrow's vote. IT'S RETARDED. You're splitting up two different lists, in the hope that the demon's will present themselves in a more obvious light. This in itself has nothing wrong with it, but (assuming your town) haven't considered the ramifications. 1) More than likely, more than a few people will not vote... and claim they were away. Leading to the whole system being a farce. But it gets worse... 2) Chances are, you aren't going to catch anybody. You'll have a list of people in which some are Undead... but you could do just as well by taking a random sample. Good work. 3) You're wasting an entire day/night cycle of detective power. 4) You're setting up a situation where YOU decide who the two suspects are to be. This is a problem not only because there is still a chance you might be mafia... but you exclude the town from making up their own minds. Bad for entertainment value, and also the key precepts upon which the town should always vote. Making up your own mind about who to vote for and not jumping upon bandwagons. 5) Deserter's such as myself are required to be punished, otherwise the whole idea falls down. But what about if they have actual reasons for not doing as you wish? What if they see your idea as being flawed, or do not trust you? I shall not vote as you prescribe Ace. It's stupid and almost counterproductive assuming you are town, and truly terrible if you are satanic. I encourage you all to start thinking for yourselves once more. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
I don't mean to suggest that you are part of the multi-international corporation, simply that you could be. However, I DO mean to suggest that your plan for tomorrow's voting is stupid, because it is. If there were higher numbers of mafia in each list... I might condone it. As it stands however, if you took a random sample... your data would probably lie within 1 std deviation of what you've got. Not enough to act upon. Give up, try another tack. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
KILLLLLLLLL HEEEEEEEEEERRRRRR. KILL HER. HANG HER NOW PLEASE. HANNNNG HHHHHHEEERRR | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 26 2008 15:53 Alethios wrote: A chink in your armor there Ace? Thats the best you can come up with? I make no sense? I don't mean to suggest that you are part of the multi-international corporation, simply that you could be. However, I DO mean to suggest that your plan for tomorrow's voting is stupid, because it is. If there were higher numbers of mafia in each list... I might condone it. As it stands however, if you took a random sample... your data would probably lie within 1 std deviation of what you've got. Not enough to act upon. Give up, try another tack. explain your math, because right now it's not adding up. | ||
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Showtime!
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
On March 26 2008 16:09 Showtime! wrote: If that is the last defence of the mafia then they just failed.  Please tell me you aren't talking about Ace... If so, please go and read what I actually had to say. ----- On March 26 2008 16:05 Ace wrote: explain your math, because right now it's not adding up. Put simply... 1/7 Guilty in the first lot (this is your better sample) is still only 14.3% mafia. Compare this to the total murderers in the game, over the total players. 22/130 = 16.9% mafia Then you have your 10/58 Guilty in the second lot.... Which is slightly more at 10/58 = 17.2% but still not far from the mean. Furthermore, much more effort is required to separate out these mafia than in the first lot. Seriously... I don't buy your "math isn't adding up" for a second. I realise that (assuming you ARE town) you have to maintain the trust of the town, but persisting with this stupid scheme isn't helping in the slightest. | ||
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Alventenie
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
bye bye kiwi. | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
On March 26 2008 16:22 Alventenie wrote: I thought the saboteur and suicide bomber were included in the 20 mafia o.o, because there are 110 townies out of 130, so thats 20 left for mafia slots. therefore its 20/130, not 22/130 Ah good point. Rather misleading first post. I conceed this however. The total percentage of Mafia is infact 15.4% Doesn't change a thing however. Your lists have about the error you'd expect to find in a random sample. | ||
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