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Where's Palmar? JUST NEED ONE MORE WB Keis Lots of the old crew - was fun times and ready to do it again! | ||
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On June 05 2024 11:12 AlphaZero wrote: /in Are you a smurf? Very interesting you would show up here. | ||
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What a cute yorkie! | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ha! Still not mafia. Mason me pls! I've never been in a Mason game before. I understand what it is, but what are the advantages for town on its usage? | ||
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Why wouldn't you want to read the OP? | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote: Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful. Scum-meter vibrates slightly. Oats with acceptable vibe so far. It was an honest question and Rayn answered what I was looking for. | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:23 Trfel wrote: Oh right, I forgot that because I moved, the deadline is at a different time  Anyway, we seem to have some issues in our good town. Specifically, people decided to confirm in the thread, despite a lack of direction to do so by the host. This indicates that these people are easily swayed by the actions of others, even without any factual basis. It is very important for us to eliminate these people immediately, because even if they are not mafia, they are clearly susceptible to being influenced and controlled by others. This is terrible reasoning. Plus I was the first to post a /confirm on my own. So am I swayed easily as well?  Or did everyone follow me? | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: amagaad is trfel actually having fun??? Hopefully he got his IRL situation squared away. Or it's really suspicious. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:26 rsoultin wrote: Dude, I didn't not register it was Scott who said both things until you pointed it out and I was like oh! What a nice catch! Then I realized maybe it's not as significant just cause the masons he's talking about are the town masons where they're essentially confirmed? And then I waffled back because that doesn't explain his first post where he's never been in a mason game before, and what are the advantages. Regardless, it makes me like you so that's a win.Also, scott, haven't I played with you before? How have you been around this many years without ever playing a mason game? Because I took a long break and I played mostly newbie games. It's all in my profile. Those were in 2016. Since then I've gotten married, a better job, and moved to the country for a quick eight year summation. Plus, like I mentioned, the random option isn't really a mason - it's more like a neighbor (Since you aren't confirmed). Rayn already answered my question. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote: The real question here is if we are lynching scott31337 today or waiting until tomorrow? Go find the real mafia. Unless you already know who they are | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote: It would be easier if you would stop pretending to be mafia Why tell me to go find mafia when you can (presumably) do it yourself? Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of the situation regarding you scott? Do you get Alpha's argument? I think it's helping to drive discussion. I kind of get it, but, it really was a question for someone more experienced to give a point of view of how it helps. That's all I was looking for. I liked what you said and it made sense. I thought Alphazero was doing the red flags to call me scummy at first. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: But what you said you think is not what i said? You literally said On June 07 2024 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think there are really that many advantages, unless the situation is very specific. It's just fun to talk privately with someone. Could you explain further? I must be missing something. | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: You said you wanted an opinion, and said i gave the answer youre looking for. But this is definitely NOT what i said. That is my own opinion, not what you said. | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you also said "rayn gave the answer i was looking for" when Vivax confronted you. Whats that about then, if your opinion is basically the opposite? Because these aren't "Masons" I think that's a disingenuous term for the random "neighbor" meetup. I think neighbor is a better term. Just because I haven't played with a Mason game, doesn't mean I don't understand what they are. It doesn't confirm anyone in this game. "It's just fun to talk privately with someone." I trust your wisdom that this is really all the extra perk is about. | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay maybe all this hassle is pointless. I have a few more minutes before I call it a night. Has anything else stuck out at you? | ||
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On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote: Trfel prepare to be disappointed Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did Rsoultin I'm back to neutral Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote: You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3r For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me. On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote: Good morning I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more. Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write" On June 07 2024 21:45 Vivax wrote: I‘d say that marv has likely rolled mafia based on his recent non-posts I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet. On June 07 2024 22:17 marvellosity wrote: Let’s be honest, it would be a downright blunder for maf-rsoultin to have done that. I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted* On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me See I disagree with this. On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote: I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta. If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ? Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation. On June 08 2024 00:05 Vivax wrote: This is a weak answer imo. I'm not a good judge of Scotts character imo but all of this is very weasel-y and evasive. His inner bully didn't awaken from being double prodded, so maybe it doesn*t exist altogether because it's something inherent to townies. If I got bombarded with red flags I'd be more inquisitive I think. My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. | ||
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On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote: Good morning I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more. This was four hours ago. He mentions there's so few pages, but has not posted since. Looks really bad | ||
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On June 08 2024 01:07 marvellosity wrote: Scott, just to be clear, it wasn’t a townread on rsoultin, rather that if she had attacked Trfel it would have looked bad Thank you for the clarity. | ||
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On June 08 2024 01:20 Vivax wrote: I‘m taking back the TR on Mocsta. I‘d like to understand why he seemed so focused on rso in his first two posts. I just re-read Mocsta's filter and I'm not seeing what you are talking about. I see the fifth and sixth posts On June 07 2024 19:59 Mocsta wrote: Hi mate It matters as you referenced rsoultin to bias your read on alphazero as town What's the concern to embellish? On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote: How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Are these what you are referring to? | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote: Can we lynch sandy? Possibly, but I'd like to know your reasoning for such. | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:27 rsoultin wrote: well, narcissism originally haha >< i wanted credit for my truffle read he stole and took all the nuance out of but then he stayed on your stuff after rereading the whole thread and idk feels like there's a lot more going on at this stage i was also feeling icky about the mocsta - kelsier interaction but on rereading the filters separately it seems fine Did anything else stick out in their filters? Hypothetically if Sandroba was off the table, who else would you be interested in lynching? | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:09 Trfel wrote: Worst List Post of All Time Town Maybe Town rsoultin + Show Spoiler + It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler + Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler + This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. Unknown Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler + Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this scott31337 + Show Spoiler + Made you look die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler + I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad  Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better.Vivax + Show Spoiler + He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler + Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Maybe Mafia Alakaslam + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote: Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler + I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote: Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. Mafia Idk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet. I appreciate the work here. Most I can understand and follow. On June 08 2024 03:14 Kelsi3r wrote: Do i need to read anything? Sigh. On June 08 2024 03:19 Trfel wrote: Like, EVEN IF we ignore the big juicy reason to suspect Kelsi3r: He hasn't really done anything? List of what he's done:
Not having any scumreads/suspicions, sure. But in combination with actually being somewhat present and posting? And in combination with the other thing, townreading rsoultin for liking with something that he didn't agree with himself? Would very much like to discuss this. Kinda already am (Since I'm voting for him) but could sheep this On June 08 2024 04:19 Alakaslam wrote: Is this not the person YOU want to lynch? Wtf A good catch. Instead of explaining your mindset, you say this? On June 08 2024 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck it i actually think Oats is town here. I still don't get who Oats wants to lynch though. I mean we got another day, but still... I kind of don't want to lynch Slam anymore either. But I'm not fully won over on Oats. Rayn and Sandroba are like "ta da Let's call Oats town" - uggg | ||
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I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote: Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote: I knew someone (probably mafia) would makes this argument before I even posted my thoughts on vivax. And I did it anyway. What does it mean?? That DP rolled mafia again? | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote: Scott not considering the game state with my vivax read and what it means about my alignment is the second scummiest thing that happened this game. The first being Scott’s opening posts. Town circle activate! What fucking Vivax read? Your only posts about Vivax I put in my post that you lol'ed. Did you post them in Discord instead? Because I've thread your thread again and I don't know what you are talking about. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:07 rsoultin wrote: mmmeeeh i don't wanna lynch scott tho -_- Then don't unless you are Mafia with DP/AZ Even if I get mislynched (But I'm a lot better at defending than I was as a newb) it'll give town plenty of info to work with. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:16 die_meatbaby wrote: can you link me an old game where you rolled a mafia role? (not Newbie Student Mafia VIII your filter and game was to small to compare it or get anything about how you play as mafia) I'd recommend the database. Remember these were eight plus years ago too. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database There's only four (Three if you throw out the one you are talking about) https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=474146&user=scott31337&view=all https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=498066&user=scott31337&view=all And this one I remember was weak too (lynched day 1) https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=485267&user=scott31337&view=all | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote: you did mention issues with viva before voting though so hrum, i guess i can see how you'd see that as a scum!scott reaction. though then my question is what was your post about 'knowing' someone (probably scum) would mention that? frankly i'm just confused -_- I would attempt to explain more than what's already in my thread but I think that horse has died at least twice already. | ||
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Give me a little bit. | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:01 rsoultin wrote: Yet thats how i perceive your scott case I also find it genuinely mindboggling how anyone is hard townreading sandy like you and marv are and yet i think you're town so pfft This is defintely on my mind as well... On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote: I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈 That make sense trfel?? What kind of rainbows would you like to see? On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote: Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different. This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either. On June 08 2024 23:16 Vivax wrote: The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate. I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game. The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff. On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote: If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch. What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it. | ||
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In a few I'm going to take a nap/rest and be back a few hours before deadline. I'm content with my vote on keisl3r still at this time. | ||
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I meant it at the time - but Trfel is one of my higher town reads now. | ||
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I haven't liked Sandroba from the start. Probably my #3 scum behind AZ. (Keis is 1st ATM) Rsoul is a townlean at the moment and having quite a few of the same thoughts as I am. Rayn is a slight town lean as well - but he is usually more inquisitive/scum hunting (like our last game) D1 - but with his announced commitment, I'm not lynching him today. | ||
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On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote: Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons. Well you still need to vote too Who would you like to lynch today in a perfect world? | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 10:21 EDT I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me And then went to On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 16:41 EDT I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today There was a post from Keis - On June 08 2024 04:05 Kelsi3r wrote: I like sandro on a filter dire dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null. | ||
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I've done that mistake before. Sorry sandroba | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote: I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me. Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:52 Mocsta wrote: that was an unexpected lurk Are you up to date with thread? LOL I've been posting for the last three hours since I got back from my festival. You have been reading the thread, right? I mean I did get my wife's bird camera installed as well in between. | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote: ? Why would you want him to die after you? Because I think he is mafia pushing my mislynch. He's my #2 at the moment. | ||
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One of my biggest pet peeves is repeating myself. Just think from a town perspective - What are his reads? Besides lynch scott? Yes, he's probably #2 in posts/forums but.. what's it consist of? You slipped and said jat, and that makes sense too. I thought it was DP - but it was definitely someone who obs'd the last game i was in and likes to use the word "sus". But JAT makes sense too. Anyway, not super important who AZ actually is, but I just see mafia jumping on the scott mason and GG'ing me out. | ||
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It's "probably" - means a got a cop out when none of it's true And I only suspect maybe one mafia in that list | ||
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1. Yes 2. It's more than just the push - I posted the info with the Oats post and many others as well. 3. I have a lot of respect for Marv - especially as town. I mean i'm unsure what to say - I don't agree with it, but if Marv is town (and feeling him a slight town lean) It is what it is. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote: This is still relevant. His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed. That is objectively a mafia trait. What fucking foundation are you looking for? I've put it down multiple times. I swear people have the memory of... Who is your top scumread besides myself? | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Well I would love to lynch AZ but that's not going to happen today. You have to present reasonable reasoning. I mean he may go after you next, but post your thoughts as of why. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:45 AlphaZero wrote: Like what is this that keeps happening?? Why are people just removing Scott as a confidante like this. There's only two other mafia if you are one of them. If Keis1er is one of them, there's only one other you can control and chat with. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:05 Trfel wrote: Don't have much to say but I am bored so here goes anyway I could be wrong about Kelsi3r being mafia. I just think the reasons to suspect him are the strongest of anything in the thread, regardless of activity. If I wasn't so darn awful at day 1 I'd be more confident about this, but at this point it is what it is. I've said all there is to say. I reread my filter from last game, the Paint game, looking for posts about scott31337. There was an opening tonal thing which didn't make sense to me but I don't think it's too similar to anything this game. But during day 1 he did make a reads post with no read on Oatsmaster, and then later voted for Oatsmaster. This in itself isn't bad, but when I asked him what changed, he said that Oatsmaster hadn't posted much before, and now that he'd posted, he looked scummy. But over half of Oatsmaster's posts were made before scott31337's reads post, where he had no thoughts on Oatsmaster. If scott31337 had said that the new posts were scummier, that's more understandable. Or that he simply hadn't paid any attention to Oatsmaster before, that's understandable. But the explanation he gave simply didn't make sense given what had happened in the thread. But he was town. So that's kind of my hesitation, scott31337 just thinks and communicates in a very different way than I do. This makes me want to find illogical things all over the place, but I'm just not sure if that's very helpful at all here. Frankly, the reasons for suspecting scott31337 in this game don't give me reason to think it's any different, either. Sure, on the surface the things look bad, but I don't think they're any more likely to come from a mafia mindset than town? Bad and mafia are very different things. I mean, scott31337 is player number 4, Kelsi3r is player number 10, we could compromise and lynch player number 7, so raynpelikoneet? XD This is a reasonable post until you get to the last paragraph. Are you seriously going this way? | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:09 rsoultin wrote: my shitty meta paranoid reason for not liking rayn this game is he always seems to find something i've said that's just too stupid to possibly come from town when he's town!rayn and my subjective perception is he doesn't do this as much as scum but also if i mislynched rayn d1 while he's gone i'd feel like shit :/ I'm not lynching rayn today. Sandroba - Keis - AZ Maybe Slam | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:11 AlphaZero wrote: Yes but I’m town. And anyone with half a brain who is also town can see that. So when I flip town the will will lynch you tomorrow, right? | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town. my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me. now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28190396 It's fair I missed overlooked this post. DMB voting for my read? I'm a bit torn. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:50 Mocsta wrote: i think he should be concerned that his biggest advocate me, shifted my read on az so even though he is suspicious of kelsier, az and ?vivax?, maybe ?sandroba? the answer to this question is a re-evaluation of both me and az... both are lacking I don't mean to nitpick but don't use "he" "she" - use the persons name because it's more difficult at this time and in filters you see who you are speaking about | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote: gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread i still wanna lynch sandy -_- idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:09 rsoultin wrote: scooooottt if you're town convince me i'm waffling GMTA I was typing it up while you posted this | ||
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What the fuck is this? I mean, scott31337 is player number 4, Kelsi3r is player number 10, we could compromise and lynch player number 7, so raynpelikoneet? XD[/QUOTE] Calling Trfel on an RNG randomization on picking a lynch from the OP? What are you trying to do? I thought you were out drinking with your buddies | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:15 AlphaZero wrote: I’m not going to be around at deadline. I Think Scott’s the best lynch. Maybe I’ll get a vote off of something changes no guarentees Remembered. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:17 Mocsta wrote: noted, will do my best to oblige moving forward btw, i have decided to settle on ##unvote: ##vote: scott31337 nothing to do with this post FYI, although it struck me as odd that for all the stuff i have said about you past couple pages this is what was raised.. maybe, just maybe you didnt realise it was you because of the "he" This really sucks because I've been townreading you because you make sense. And I really feel you are town. I just wanted you to be more specific. Especially for filters. If/May I get mislynched or shot, Your filter is easier to understand. But if this is what it takes - | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:32 marvellosity wrote: A bookie just told me we are 100-1 to lynch mafia today regardless who gets lynched. Charming. Who are the other two mafia besides me in your/Marvellosity's world? | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:41 Vivax wrote: Marv‘s spewing himself town basically and a few days from now a bunch of dudes or gals will be thinking Az can‘t be mafia because he was on a scum wagon on D1. On June 09 2024 10:41 marvellosity wrote: AZ (town or mafia) is not the problem here There's way more involved than that. I'm here for any more questions. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote: I am sure I could get this lynch done on my main with full effort. But I’m not in the position to do that. I think you are JAT. Are you JAT? | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:54 Mocsta wrote: not being a dick. i find it unlikely. half the problem is that half the game is afk if full town was here, yeah, agree But I'm here and I think the reason from changing with me was a little weak. | ||
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I know you mentioned it was more than such, but I thought we had a decent vibe D1 and it felt like a sudden cutoff for me speaking of how to play the game. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:56 Vivax wrote: Fair. My best guess rn would be that you‘re Hapa. Hapa didn't OBS the last game. FYI | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:57 rsoultin wrote: she went down so slow lol @.@ cuz of course she did. no sandy shenannies i guess I really want you to be town and I need a town friend tomorrow - Are you? | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:58 rsoultin wrote: i mean apparently i'm a sucker for being buddied by mocsta and i can pretend i sorta remember but i don't really that game, but i just don't think that mocsta switching is scum mocsta even if kels is town and scott is mafia You are overthinking or mafia. STOP IT! | ||
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I still want AZ or Sandroba for tomorrow Marv/Rayn wild card | ||
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Who will they shoot Usually the wisest - or the one who's on to the mafia track I'll chat more tomorrow | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote: This probably isn’t going to make sense but my brain went like this: Kelsier town. Okay I’m not surprised Am I wrong on Scott? Are my expectations incorrect here? If im wrong on Scott, what does that mean for my view of the game? Is AZ mafia? Like maybe, but also i think he does believe what he’s saying about Scott so probably not (so my brain is telling me Scott town apparently?) Then why is rsoul so comvinced that Scott is lynch bait? Is this TMI maybe? Then I don’t get to question rsoul on any of this I just feel this is marv town thinking or we're screwed. This is the marv posting we need in daytime. Which sucks Keis flipped town now AZ is going to be on me more that I'm mafia. Just think realistically. | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:32 marvellosity wrote: I think the rsoul/Koshi spot is mafia tbh This could be wifom but could be realistic Rsoul was townie leaning still to me. I'm unsure what else to say until D2 to be honest. | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:41 marvellosity wrote: I don’t get why she is so surefire convinced you are town (even if you are town) Do you understand what I’m saying? I do get what you are saying,. If rsoul mafia - then she knows both wagons are town Rsoul in my experience plays well as both alignments (But this is eight years ago, never looked into other games) I wouldn't say she was surefire convinced, but she was understanding where I was coming from. Mosata (sp) was at the beginning as well. I'd rather spend more energy tomorrow though. | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote: Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p Who's your top three mafia? | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience. Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. Sandroba? AZ? An experienced like rayn/koshi? Alakaslam? | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote: hi scott can you please respond to the following which is why i voted you maybe you were looking for mosata and didnt see? ;P #1 = Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing. Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote: town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote: salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. On June 09 2024 09:12 Mocsta wrote: i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds. rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott? #2 = so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town. my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me. now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. On June 09 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote: [..] tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote: idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? On June 09 2024 10:01 Mocsta wrote: pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view: 1. i am town 2. kelsier scum read has relation to me 3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me 4. az scum read has relation to me 5. other scum reads are policy: no activity in short. i matter so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view I bookmarked and will before D2 I'm too crispy and on substances to ATM | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:48 Vivax wrote: If it isn‘t obvious to you then you must be engaged in hate speech. hate speech does not exist | ||
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The United States of America at this time is basically the same way. The "elites" and xxxx have taken over the government and it's a very difficult situation. Our debt is out of control. Normies believe most of what they hear on social media and the mainstream media. Our cities are going to be a dumpster fire soon. Get out of the city. I enjoy playing mafia to practice and determine when people are telling the truth. It helps me also understand agendas and methods as well. Online mafia you can only do such with text - no body language or blinking, etc. | ||
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On June 09 2024 13:17 Koshi wrote: That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba. LOL | ||
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All I can say Vivax is if you have the means to get out, get out. Others do not have the means to. Others make excuses "Meh job" "Meh debt". We saw the writing on the wall with the cities here, and strategically located to the country on a dead end road with water, forest, and neighbors that we communicate with. I still think it's going to get worse than it will get better, but my wife and I are going to be in a better place if I have anything I can do to control such. It's why I like playing mafia. It makes you think - it makes you read people and what their intentions and agenda are. | ||
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On June 09 2024 14:15 Vivax wrote: The only dangerous thing about me is the truth though. I’ll gladly stuff it into the fauces of those who thought to exploit me during my period of biggest weakness. With blackmail and extortion. Fuck me I guess I am not related to Austrian apparataschicks. Fuck me I guess I have to pay for criminal government to do a service to me but they still won’t. Don't you have any outs? any options? | ||
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On June 09 2024 14:19 Koshi wrote: Fuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh. I was chosen to waste an entire day seeing other people vote but as always they overbooked and I was let GOOOOoooooll I miss you Koshi. Let's talk tomorrow. <3 | ||
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On June 09 2024 14:36 Koshi wrote: Ok. We can kill sandroba first. Good stuff. That will be easy and then you will trust me enough to go get marv and mocsta. When you lay out this much truth you will be shot tonight. So lay it all out before you are dead. | ||
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On June 09 2024 17:49 AlphaZero wrote: Or mafia wanted Scott alive. If he is mafia it’s self evident . If he is town why is that the case? So you can mislynch me tomorrow? | ||
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On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote: Trfel AZ Vivax Oats Sand Mocsta Scott DMB Koshi Rayn Slam Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him. Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Sand is way too high AZ is WAY TOO high Koshi is way too low Otherwise it's reasonable lol | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:26 AlphaZero wrote: I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all. He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting. Is this your setup for tomorrow? Trfel isn't going to get lynched tomorrow prod elsewhere | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:41 AlphaZero wrote: Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too I'm going to keep this in mind for your next choice tomorrow and how you swindle it off. | ||
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On June 09 2024 23:50 die_meatbaby wrote: I am sorry that I wasn't playing yesterday because of work. I need some sleep and I will start as soon as the night is over. It's not smart to post lists or opinions on who is what in the night... No it's fine to post lists a minute before deadline I do it all the time | ||
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On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote: I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. Which post? The one I'm calling him out? | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation. Noted | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone. Damnit too much truth | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Koshi is mafia On June 10 2024 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Because of the things he said All this "read my filter" and "Koshi mafia cuz reasons" makes me cast doubt on you so it's easier to keep your stuff in check. It gets suspicious after a while. | ||
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I don't need to give you any more ammo/info on your NK I'm 95% sure who you are going to anyway | ||
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The biggest thing that still stands is when AZ says I have not changed my views/reads when clearly I had/have. I'm willing to keep going though because Koshi is such a refreshing voice so far. I know some people can't stand Koshi's play-style, but I enjoy it (as long as he doesn't get personal) | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why can Koshi have not 9 town reads? It would be eight right since Keisler's dead? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: i just put up a number. how's your AZ case coming together? There are people who would buy into that you know`? It's not - but I just ordered food and I'm hungry so maybe some pizza and spicy wings will put some spark in it. | ||
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On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote: June 07 2024 17:38 EDT #479 Oats and Sandro are top town. Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him. And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia… I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me. I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy. Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured, Won’t lynch Marv today. Rso has felt town by vibe. Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null. Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means. Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. And still to this day, I do not understand the top town Sandro read. Sandro has not posted since this post either, so everything in their thread https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba is relevant. On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote: So far I like rayn and trfel as town. On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me Now we know k3lsier did flip town. Now it's early, but the only read they have in common is Trfel and me. They disagree on marv (won't lynch to meh) they disagree on k3lsier (null, be sus to like) and they both dislike me. Now a read here and there I can disagree with, but if I'm town and I believe someone else is town, you would have reasonably similar reads, right? On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote: Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions - it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment. - option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda -option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things. I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia. It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely. I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. Here he is casting doubt again on a townie, but gives himself an out to not look bad. When I first read this, I thought option 2 - and think Mocsta is town. On June 09 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote: 22 hours ago #1113 This is still relevant. His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed. That is objectively a mafia trait. I posted my reasoning (or foundation) for Sandroba. On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote: The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - And then went to There was a post from Keis - And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null. I also offered a list post as well - + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote: After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me. Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write" I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet. I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted* See I disagree with this. Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation. My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. So saying there's no foundation is a lie that's verifible. On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. Repeating himself - no foundation/reasoning. On June 09 2024 09:11 AlphaZero wrote: Yes but I’m town. And anyone with half a brain who is also town can see that. Using insults to possibly convince me he's town? But his actions are not. On June 09 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote: Dmb literally said she wants to vote your top scum read. That doesn’t change things for you. Nothing actually changed lol. You just saying it kind of has. Finally AZ quotes one of my reads post - another reads post I've made. But "nothings changed" On June 09 2024 18:04 AlphaZero wrote: Here is the thing. His top scum read and the lynch he was pushing flipped town. And his reads didn’t change AT ALL. It was just, let’s keep lynching down my list. Which as it happens has another townie at the top. Even for bad players that’s not a normal response as town. Here he casts more doubt - I lynched my top scumread and that flipped town, so let's go for my #2 scumread! Now from AZ's perspective if he's mafia (and I still believe he is) he would consider his scrumreads town (Unless they are terrible). Sandroba is a good example. On June 09 2024 22:26 AlphaZero wrote: I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all. He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting. Now I've played with Trfel (and some Rsoul) so they understand a bit of how I think and such. I also believe they are both town (Trfel and Rsoul now Koshi) More doubt casting in my opinion. On June 09 2024 22:44 AlphaZero wrote: He is not playing the game. What you want me to say? He’s probably mafia because he asked for the mason chat at the start of the game and then went afk for most of the phase. 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On June 10 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote: Definitely not scum together Like can you at least read my end of day1 filter if you are going to keep this up Yes where I transition to my former townread and your current townread scott So do you think none of them are mafia? Obviously you aren't going to include yourself, I get that. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:15 Mocsta wrote: mate you have been a town read for me probably from around the tail end of d1 when we were the only actives with rsoultin collaborating on the lynch. What's changed? I mean you said something about wanting to vote out Scott, yet I agreed with you Scott is not a good choice d2?? Have you missed that? I think rayn asked who I think is mafia which is lazy I have intentionally dropped my post count and what I do have points to dmb Trfel I tabbed your post to me on the case - I'll get to it here in a bit. Mocsta - I ask people who they believe are mafia all the time - it's not lazy - it's to get people to make decisions. Town usually does not have an issue with this - it forces mafia less outs though among other reasons. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:39 AlphaZero wrote: I also don’t understand how vivax can think I’m paired with Mocsta and Scott. This makes zero sense as well. A second thing I agree with you on! | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:51 Trfel wrote: @Scott31337, can I ask about this part of your case in particular?I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here. Particularly the second sentence. The rest of the case I think I see what you're trying to say, but you lost me here. Trfel- So what I was trying to say is that from AZ's perspective, I'm just going in order of my scum list (In his eyes, his townlist) just to get mislynch #1, #2, #3, GG etc. But I'm going after who I believe has the best chance of flipping mafia. And the second part is that AZ considers his mafia team town (I think I used the wrong word there, not scumreads) to protect them. Sandroba is a good example of such. | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:01 AlphaZero wrote: Scott who is getting night killed in your opinion? I'll have it in my EoN post. As I mentioned, I'm pretty sure mafia saw what I saw, but just in case they didn't, there's no need for me to help them. | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:03 Trfel wrote: I think AlphaZero is saying that in general, when someone who is town gets one of their scumreads lynched and they flip town, it makes them think they might be wrong on other things too, if that makes sense? As in, if I was wrong on something, maybe I screwed up on more than just that one thing. Or at least re-evaluate/reconsider. Does Kelsi3r flipping town not give you the slightest bit of pause? Of course it gives me a little pause - but knowing it's a TvT wagon - it's not full of information either. | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:34 AlphaZero wrote: I take it back he thinks dmb is mafia. Maybe that’s fine. He just posted Mocsta in red also. | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:37 Trfel wrote: I think he thinks Alakaslam is mafia? Bottom of the second to last page of his filter? Side note, I kinda like how Oatsmaster dismissed my post and Vivax ignored it. And they're both not committing to a stance on raynpelikoneet. Makes me think we might be on to something. The biggest lesson of all though seems to be that the game is just infinitely easier to play if AlphaZero agrees with you. Is that why it feels like climbing an ice coated vertical mountain for me? | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote: Tier lists S tier: Marv, trfel. A tier: koshi Mocsta B tier: oats C tier: vivax, Rayn, slam F tier: Scott, Sandro, dmb, You would lynch DMB over Slam? | ||
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So - first - Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight. 2. Mocsta fakeclaimed Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: Mocsta is playing very well if mafia. My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching today Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:02 marvellosity wrote: For some reason it took me a long time to understand this. But having spent said time, I think it’s a good case Hmmm | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:58 Vivax wrote: It was fake obviously. The only strange thing is that the prot wasn‘t on marv. And the list of afks is really small and…Maybe you can already figure out who the medic/jk is. Roleblock is a possiblity too | ||
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On June 10 2024 14:01 Alakaslam wrote: I will be back shortly in about an hour, put any questions to me in that time and I'll give them a shot Who’s your top three mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 21:20 Vivax wrote: I think Koshi is mafia now but that means I have to re-evaluate the entire game now. Because him townreading scott for that stupid reason reeks a lot of tmi. He literally says his reason multiple times. I'm feeling good about this so far. | ||
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On June 11 2024 00:15 Vivax wrote: rsoul ? Aside from that it‘s not bad. Koshi/dmb/slam/rayn/mocsta is my newest pool. But it‘s thrown together I‘m busy moving and I won‘t post boxes. So are you saying your mindset has changed from me? | ||
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On June 11 2024 00:45 Vivax wrote: But don‘t let that stop you from lynching me. That‘s not relevant compared to the shit the crooks do around here Well we're not lynching Koshi today either. I don't think there's been a game (I could be wrong it was years ago) he read me improperly. | ||
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On June 11 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote: Scott why claim you want to get shot. If you look at the wagons yesterday, what do you think mafia would have done knowing your alignment ? I didn't say I wanted to get shot. I knew there was very little chance of such. I said I thought I knew who the NK would be (and I was incorrect) - it's in my N1 post. | ||
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On June 11 2024 01:43 Vivax wrote: This is you begging to be vigged did you forget that ? Vigged isn't NK. Yes I did I was frustrated and down then, thought I would be the lynch again tomorrow/today. | ||
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On June 11 2024 01:51 Koshi wrote: I wonder when sandroba will be finished. And was his reads will be then. When do you get out of work and will be home/relaxed? I want to talk about Mocsta with you today still | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:07 Koshi wrote: I am home and kids are asleep now. I dont fully understand your question around Mocsta. The reasoning you quoted was explaining why I initially pinged Mocsta and why I can see him being mafia. Did you see Mocsta's JK claim? Do you believe it's real? You still wanted to lynch Mocsta even after you mentioned you read their filter. | ||
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Sandroba or Slam. Sandroba did not win me over at all with their posting even if they "townread" me now. | ||
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On June 11 2024 04:09 sandroba wrote: I mean koshi + rayn makes too much sense. The random town reads, the weird interactions, it all fits! I think trfel is right about dmb being the third as well. Random townreads and weird interactions? Are you projecting? | ||
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On June 11 2024 04:54 Trfel wrote: Was trying to analyze die_meatbaby's last game as mafia to compare it to this game but it was hard to make a clear analysis. There weren't individual posts that matched, more of overall trends. The key though is, die_meatbaby doesn't really know what to do as mafia. She was mafia in a game that was aborted, and then her first "full" game as mafia was Winter Warfare Mafia, about six months ago, which is the game I was referring to. In this game, she went on a huge crusade about Palmar being mafia, and hid behind emotional responses (mostly anger). This is why I say that she doesn't know how to play as scum, because she didn't play the game "normally," just focused on one scumread for literally the entire game. This game, it's different. Let's assume for the moment that die_meatbaby is indeed mafia here. She can't play the same way she did as last game, because that could only work once. In other words, can't use emotion to cover up not playing, can't hide behind one single scumread the whole game. So what can she do? The answer is the excuses for inactivity/not scumhunting (see here if you want to know what I am talking about). That's an excuse more frequently than every eight posts. This is absolutely ridiculous, and I am really struggling to see how this could come from town. Furthermore, she's consistently avoided responding to the reasons people are bringing up to scumread her. Just posting about something else (usually how she's not able to play). This makes me think that the reasons are accurate, and she has no explanation. Are there any reasons to not lynch die_meatbaby? I'm trying to think of ways this could be wrong, and sometimes I have doubts, but never any reasons to actually townread her. If she is actually town and is playing like this (or rather, not playing like this), I don't see how anyone could ever realistically figure out that she is town. I'll keep thinking about it, but if this is true, there's a huge risk if we let die_meatbaby live, and the issue just isn't going to go away. I did a quick read and search of her filter on some of what you said in the Winter game. You were part of that game too I noticed. One of the things I also wanted to look at is searching for scum names (Chez and rayn) - she has almost zero interaction with the other mafia in the thread. It's almost always with other townies. Now I want to see if the same is true here. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:06 Koshi wrote: Ok. ##unvote ##vote Sandroba People who think I am town. I don't think it is smart to lynch Vivax. Sandroba is a way better placeholder. Fair. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:10 sandroba wrote: I still think you are mafia. But I also think dmb is mafia. And I think trfel's case on dmb has more pull. Well I'm fairly confident that Koshi's town unless he super pocketed me but I don't buy that. And you think I'm townish from one of your recent posts posts. So that makes me slightly confused as well. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:09 scott31337 wrote: I did a quick read and search of her filter on some of what you said in the Winter game. You were part of that game too I noticed. One of the things I also wanted to look at is searching for scum names (Chez and rayn) - she has almost zero interaction with the other mafia in the thread. It's almost always with other townies. Now I want to see if the same is true here. Besides a lot of chatting with AZ - my theory is reasonably correct from my point of view. Hmmm | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote: @scott why you ninja voting Sandro? If you want to call it a ninja vote. Sandro has been a top scumread for me already (refers to list) I agree with you the townie post felt a bit forced as well And I said earlier, almost nothing has changed that sandroba has changed that. I've also read quite a bit of that Winter Warfare game Trfel linked also. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: scott why did you feel the need to say the underlined part? Also who were those people you were talking about there? Basically that he isn't going to get lynched today. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:44 Trfel wrote: Scott31337, I believe you are seriously scum-siding right now. You are literally voting with the three most suspicious people in the game IMO. Just saying, maybe you should reconsider. Well from my perspective - Koshi town Rayn leaning town Oats leaning town Sandroba mafia I respect your input, but... | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote: Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing. This makes me sus - You have gone from Vivax - to DMB - to Rayn - to me Mathwise they aren't all mafia I know they aren't all mafia You have not gone to no Slam no Sandroba Which are my top two. On June 11 2024 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you want to keep Sandro alive so much actually? He’s been utterly useless to town On June 11 2024 15:22 Mocsta wrote: 11 players left. 8t, 3m Slam is likely afk on Vivax, so need to assume this is a 10player vote, 7t, 3m (due to out-in-open afk request) Majority is 6,4 or as sandroba would be first to 5 can only afford 1 townie to vote with scum if 3m on a wagon; which seems impossible with oats having an impasse with sandroba. this really feels like day 5 on a day 2 its true. this is deflating and feels over trfel Hmmm you make a good point. On June 11 2024 15:40 Koshi wrote: He is famous for being low activity as mafia? Then why are we not lynching him. I only remember 2 towngames and he was wayyyyyyy more active there. It's 90% of why I am voting him. I did read that Winter Warfare Trfel pointed out - Sandroba posted WAY more. On June 11 2024 16:08 Koshi wrote: I almost never type in all caps THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY. AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am. This is why I think we can go places. On June 11 2024 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes literally fucking this!!!! why the hell does he even need to make that point of oats beingn mafia with rsoultin in the first place if he doesnt think it is true?????? i mean like if you casually post along the thread it is fine but he was not casually posting along the thread, he was doing a catch up which is basically "these points i find important when i am reading along the thread". why is it important oats can be mafia with rsoultin if he doesnt think oats is mafia in the first place?????? This reaction feels townie or just beautifully masterly faked after the post before I will not quote. On June 11 2024 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: AZ is deliberately misrepresenting this mason thing. On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote: Sandroba/DMB/+1 Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? But what if in this crazy world we're incorrect, Koshi? Are we just going to lynch DMB tomorrow? I don't want to be so closed minded. If we lynch Sandroba today (Which is still my plan so far) and flip mafia then we lynch DMB tomorrow also? Then why don't we just pile on to one of them? Seems too closed minded. I can't fully agree. On June 11 2024 16:43 Koshi wrote: I am willing to vote dmb. Not rayn. Not yet. Your solid on this, right? I'll reread DMB's filter one more time after I'm caught up in the thread. On June 11 2024 17:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not voting anyone outside of the pool of: sandroba. Lynch me if you want. Uggg On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause. I disagree, I think Mocsta did do more than "shit all" I'm quoting AZ (What is wrong with me?) On June 11 2024 16:01 AlphaZero wrote: If that is true he should be voting into rayn/dmb not sandro lmao. Nice pickup Moc. I felt this was a nice pickup as well. You saying AZ has gotten dumber D2 - but more and more I feel he's less mafia through the day. And it's more than just him not tunnelling me anymore. I got another 100+ posts so I'll submit this and keep reading so I don't have it all in just one wall | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:05 sandroba wrote: I'll vote any of rayn/dmb/koshi, whoever of these has the most support behind I'm game. Are you willing to give your own explanation for DMB? | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:34 Mocsta wrote: I think the best way to unite town is to have 2 wagons to gauge buy in and then merge into one wagon (somehow...) I will join my town reads if it leads to majority My town reads are Trfel Oats Sandroba Az Vivax And I'm willing to work with scott Why is Sandroba town? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:17 Vivax wrote: I might come around. I just really dislike having sandro as mafia early because he‘s n1 or n2 kill material. Totally disagree this game. If it was Sandroba playing Winter Wafare, I could see that. On June 11 2024 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would anyone ever kill sandroba in this game N2 with the material he has produced? On June 11 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote: Oats snippets on sandroba are good as well. Sandroba voting me and then voting off me to vote dmb and go away was also very weird. He had me as 100% mafia, and then voted off me without trying to talk to me even though I reaching out. But also not saying why dmb was a better lynch than I was. It was pretty smart actually now that I think of it from mafia perspective because it helped causing this division between the town parties. On June 11 2024 22:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Scott come back pls bby I'm on Arizona time living in the midwest now. Catching up now. Usually aren't going to see me until 11AM EDT. On June 11 2024 22:56 sandroba wrote: You are either mafia or just insanely biased. Not sure what is more egregious, this post or Koshi coming in and calling it "good points". Sandroba is back! And with a terrible post.. Yay! On June 11 2024 23:05 sandroba wrote: I'll vote any of rayn/dmb/koshi, whoever of these has the most support behind I'm game. Koshi ain't happening My scrumread would vote DMB if they have the support. *ponders and notes* On June 11 2024 23:14 sandroba wrote: I mean I suppose dmb is not 100% to be scum, just very likely. If I'm wrong about any of these I think the remaining has to be within Oats/AZ/scott? But they all have done things that make it hard to believe they are mafia. I guess oats and AZ could pull it off if they are just next level scum. Like what is this? | ||
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First thing that sticks out - is there's ZERO interaction with Sandroba. I mentioned this before - DMB has a very difficult time interacting with mafia in the thread (If we are to believe Sandroba is as well) - I don't mean quotes and names, I mean talking to mafia teammates - just so we're clear. There's filter reads and such. On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote: Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons. I mean AZ said the same thing also.. So. I guess could be NAI On June 10 2024 11:00 die_meatbaby wrote: oh shit my nap was too long if I die sandro, az, vivax maybe mafia This is the only post I/we have so far of any scum reads. DMB also votes Sandroba later. Does DMB as a team with Sandroba name this before D2? On June 10 2024 11:08 die_meatbaby wrote: I don´t understand mafia here right now. If somebody claims blue... why do they not kill mocstar. Marv is always strong Town. But mafia shouldn´t be that scared of him on the n1 So if DMB is mafia they def. saw the "claim" - concensus it was fake. On June 10 2024 11:30 die_meatbaby wrote: Good point But in the last game i played (or maybe we two played..) we had the most activ mafia dp ever. Somebody could try that out and most of vixax post feel einher off topic or kinda usless This is bad. Comparing DP's 50 page mafia filter from one game to this. On June 10 2024 11:34 die_meatbaby wrote: I have the next 2 days off so I will have a lot off time to invest to find out this pussy mafia who are obv. more scared of marv then killing jailkeeper (if the claim is true) Then WHERE ARE YOU?!? On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote: rsoultin/koshi Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. Scott I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. Trfl I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandroba https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba this is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think Vivax I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM On June 10 2024 21:37 die_meatbaby wrote: sandro+mocstar+ xxx And I will fucking find out if you are the xxx On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you. I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba On June 12 2024 01:08 die_meatbaby wrote: How the fuck do I end up beeing togther with sandroba? I made the case about sandro and mocstar and I still believe that this two are fucking us here together!! Vivax thinks I am scum because of dumb telling and less aggressiv playing. Dt was one of the reasons I got misslynched last time. And Vivax told me to not be so toxic here and now I am mafia because I am not as toxic as usual. The actuall fuck is this here? I am mafia because of beeing a lot afk or small filter. I would be way more excited to play as mafia not always Town. It sucks to be Town. I am never getting NK because I am a save misslynch for mafia. And it works for mafia every fucking game again. Last time nofuckingbody believed me that DP is that fucking crazy insane to shoot his afk mafia. I got misslynched because of my "stupid" but true theoris. And now you all turning again against me. I believe its s and m and now you fuckers are thinking I am with one of my most believed scumread togther. I don't know what to make of this post. Almost seems genuine. Could it be faked? Sure. But... Seems genuine to me I just feel Sandroba is way scummier DMB posts Sandroba in their before D2 post DMB votes Sandroba (although 5th and last) I'm not fully sold on this enough to switch today. | ||
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On June 12 2024 01:31 Mocsta wrote: Anyways dmb treat me as blue macosta Is vivax still your scum read,? As in you both are calling each other scum? Yes - and there's three theories I have 1. Mafia DMB saw the claim believed the claim told scum buddies of the claim - scum team thought Marv as more of a threat - Mafia DMB keeps posting about the claim in the thread 2. DMB is town 3. Mafia thought the claim was fake Which makes the most sense? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 12 2024 02:10 Trfel wrote: Yeah. I think Vivax has looked a bit better but I wouldn't say he's 100% town or anything.I ought to note that last game when die_meatbaby was mafia, she seemed to believe when people said they were power roles randomly for no reason (and most players could easily tell they weren't serious). I didn't think anything of it here because I kinda thought die_meatbaby would do that as town too, but I could be wrong, in which case it's relevant I suppose.@die_meatbaby, I'm sorry that this is your impression. For what it's worth, I do think playing as town can be quite fun. I understand where you're coming from, though. I've only played one previous game with you and you were mafia, and I'm worried that you may be mafia here (though I could be wrong). I'd like to play with you being town sometime, I think you'd be fun to work with. If that's this game, I'd appreciate a little help to see it, because I'm not as perceptive as I'd like. @scott31337: admittedly it doesn't make a ton of sense to find the lack of communication between die_meatbaby and sandroba suspicious imo when die_meatbaby hasn't posted much and sandroba has posted even less >< Would you honestly expect them to have talked much? The point is it's still zero though. Even if they are two of the three lowest posters. It's still a tidbit I noticed. | ||
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On June 12 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote: Scott31337, how are you on Arizona time living in the midwest? Those... aren't the same place? Because my job is still based in Arizona so I start work at 11am EDT (8am AZ time) And usually wake up around 10:30-10:45am | ||
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On June 12 2024 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Has to be scum between dmb/sandro Votes rayn Hmmmm | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:09 Alakaslam wrote: Aaaaand screw this, I wanted to avoid being a tantrum throwing bitch- so I bitched and threw a tantrum. Very sagacious behavior. Koshi you didn't offend me (sandroba did a little ) you just frustrated me enough (because I was stressed already by shit that you had no bearing on) to want to do petty malicious bullshit and I caught myself. I wanted to spam out my filter to 20 pages and end it with "still sr me koshi?" And went "no I will not allow myself to keep doing this toxic bullshit" and then went and did a toxic bullshit.I will try to read recent stuff ':-S Welcome back. I know I asked before and you said you don't play that way, but I'm doing to ask again anyway. Top three mafia? | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:59 Alakaslam wrote: Baaaaah now I need to filter you too. Scott: if Sandro red, Sandro Mocsta Uuuhhhhhhhhhhhh Ask oats he has the last one, If Sandro green: Oats Rayn and third, Uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Hmm Dmb? I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. Would you agree? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist I'm here as well until deadline although I have some chores to do in between still and hopefully nothing blows up at work. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote: Copy. You were pretty clear you will go sandroba >> dmb Let's leave that Separately, can you walk me through your koshi town read? Is it based on koshi, or dependent on team associations?l.as an example? I did townlean rsoul, but rsoul is an extremely difficult read for me. Like her town/scum game seem very similar to me. So I go more on votes and actions/etc. But this info is in my filter. So when Koshi replaces her - he did have some things going on for him. Koshi came in wrecking ball trying to figure this game out and with the typical town dgaf Koshi attitude. He has mostly similar thoughts as I do (there's a couple variations, but the consensus is there). So that's the jist of it. | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:24 Alakaslam wrote: Scott did my answer help you? Wanted to see where your head was. Thank you! So yes, it did. | ||
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First was the Keisl3r read that I thought was a bit out there Second was this On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote: The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - And then went to There was a post from Keis - And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null. And I still feel quite similiar to this. Where's the scum hunting/game solving? On June 10 2024 21:37 sandroba wrote: I finally have time to play again. Sorry all - family stuff kept me super busy during the weekend. I'm glad that even though I was inactive I was not lynched, but it sucks that you killed Kelsier which to me was one of the town reads I was more confident about. I have to catch up from around page ~30 onwards !! Hoping there is some juicy stuff around the lynch. FYI this was made on page 121 My Magic N1 post was made on page 112 On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote: I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. So there was 90+ pages of nothing of interest? This town post feels forced. I mean I'm glad he thinks I'm town, because I am, but it really put me off as the second return post. On June 10 2024 22:34 sandroba wrote: Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town. This is out of order. So did he read my filter first? So yes, those are the main reasons I want to lynch Sandroba. | ||
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I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: So disregard what I was thinking there | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:26 Mocsta wrote: i do find this post from Scott incongruent with the bebop approach Does anyone else find this comparatively unusual? I'll let others chime in, but rsoul does a lot of overthinking or overtyping. I'm not the best at phrasing it - but I could see her going in circles - especially when I was leaning town on her. I wanted to be clear. I don't like swearing in mafia (or RL) either but there are times I still do it. | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:24 Vivax wrote: I still think it‘s a bad lynch. Hope I‘m wrong. Scott‘s reasons for being on the wagon are just not satisfying imo. But maybe Trfel just has a default bloc that sheeps him idk. Scott, az, Oats If I'm sheeping anyone, it's Koshi. | ||
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Would I be on Sandroba if I really believed he was town? No. I can think for myself too. Not sure what you are getting at. | ||
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On June 12 2024 11:45 Trfel wrote: I think die_meatbaby is mafia though Write up a case. | ||
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On June 12 2024 15:32 Koshi wrote: I suggest we sing kumbaja together during the night. There was too much arguing during the day. Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah! Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah! Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah. | ||
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On June 13 2024 05:24 Vivax wrote: Is this a pocketing attempt because it reads like one. I don't see the need for them to pocket each other when they were #2 and #4 on Mafia yesterday. But... | ||
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On June 13 2024 05:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I don’t think I’ll reach lylo tbh big sad I don't think we'll reach lylo Keep the positivity! | ||
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On June 13 2024 06:41 die_meatbaby wrote: Well, it feels like always here. My superpower is probably being invisible. It doesn't matter if I post or not anyway. Most of the time it gets ignored until mafia needs it to make fake cases. I get barely answers. Trfl you wanna talk to me or not? You aren't going to improve with this mindset. Look at when I started out playing Mafia - Town Vanilla Lynched Town Vanilla Lynched Town Vanilla Lynched You get the picture. But I worked on improving my game. I worked on trying to communicate with almost everybody. I added some other things as well, and I stopped getting mis-lynched way so often. I've been mostly town read after D1 this game. There was pressure on me, and I just kept interacting. Was it frustrating? Sure. But I've learned to just keep trying and it usually works. Always be learning and improving. Or else the opposite is true. | ||
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On June 13 2024 07:02 AlphaZero wrote: Scott do you stil think im mafia? Yeah I do. Since I know you'll ask why - The main reason is you seem to be allergic to vote for other mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2024 07:02 die_meatbaby wrote: I still think you are town. What are you current scum thoughts? It'll be in my EoN post before dayflip. | ||
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On June 13 2024 08:38 AlphaZero wrote: Good pickup, i posted the same thing to rayn in our discord. I'll cover this too, but it's extremely unlikely how the wagon went down DMB is mafia especially with how you and Vivax voted. | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote: Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him This is just too many scum reads with only two left. I appreciate you sharing though. Would you please broaden or be a bit more specific, especially if you are town? | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:47 die_meatbaby wrote: I know that I have to many scum reads but I can not change how my head is working. I am still to paranoid to trust more people here to be town. I feel like everbody is kinda scummy in this game. also I have to tell that I think it´s either az or mocstar and not both and oats and az also not togther. kinder stucking here in shit situation were I try to figure out witch team would make more sense. How is avoiding who and whats to insane for mafia to do. What about an AZ/Vivax team? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:03 Vivax wrote: I don‘t think dmb is cleared. It‘s kinda wifomy but mafia bus at least 1 partner and if you rule out rayn + Koshi then you‘re left with her. AZ I think I might just townread after all but I got time to read more, something I need to do. I could rayn pulling off that phat bus, but that's D4+ time I'm ruling out Koshi. You go ahead with that AZ town read. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah there’s no shot it’s az and vivax I'll respect this. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:13 Mocsta wrote: cool move indeed in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on 1. mafia having vig 2. mafia not shooting n1 3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified maybe a few others that go even more esoteric its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable. we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1. Yeah that's super conspiracy theory world for this game. Save them for D4 and beyond. Who's AZ's mafia teammate? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:17 Mocsta wrote: are you asking me? umm. im gonna be a dick. i have posted barely anything this cycle and would prefer if you read what i produced than me give a blanket list i think its on p171 the team im sitting on is clear if thats too much. i literally posted my team combo i think on this page as well I've read your filter like twice this "night". I just did again - still not seeing it. I mean a half an hour ago you posted " thats pretty close to where i have settled its basically (az + 1 of vivax/slam). more likely vivax" So just verifying. Are you warming to rayn? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:31 AlphaZero wrote: She is probably not mafia though. Its scott and mocsta. Is this your plan or your teammates? It ain't gonna work. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:36 AlphaZero wrote: I think i really do. I think I did day one, much to the relief of my ego. Are you going to respond to Mocsta's case? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:39 Vivax wrote: I really think you and dmb Sandro got me really hooked on rayn Koshi though, that was impressive. It’s fun to have them as scum regardless So you down for lynching AZ tomorrow? | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:45 AlphaZero wrote: anyone calling me mafia needs to reconcile this fact btw. If you mean yourself, you were so wishy washy on Sandroba who knows Plus you didn't anyway. I know how to do XYZ it doesn't mean I do it. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:54 AlphaZero wrote: Also ask yourself why scott scum reads me for not voting for mafia, but town reads mocsta who also didn;t vote for sandro. I townread Mocsta because he's attempting to solve the game He was tunneled on Rayn Unlike your massive filter of waffling on Sandroba and lynch Scott | ||
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So I first want to go over Mocsta's case. I will say, it's better than mine. On June 12 2024 13:55 Mocsta wrote: AZ <--> Sandroba is pretty bad there is a constant push-pull of: "yes sandroba is scummy, and shoudlnt be here after N1.. BUT.. i want to vote someone else" its actually really really shocked me how long this has been running for. in fact: AZ scum, DMB town PULL Starts as a townish read PUSH 12hrs later flips read... PUSH - ~3days ago to Marv on N1.. Defends Sandroba PUSH D2 Start.. locks into dmb, does not engage with other F Tier reads PULL 24hrs later... active defense of F-tier sandroba PULL 2hrs later.. more active defense of F-tier sandroba.. further, Rayn was listed as "C-tier" read, where is the effort to discern what this weak case means for Rayn? PUSH-PULL5min later... flips F-tier Sandro read PUSH 7in later - Sandroba is less town Rayn.. i.e. at best: null, at worst:scum PULL1hr laterlets ignore all the sandroba push-pull and jump onto DMB, with no interaction or read progression PUSH PUSH-PULL Later Sandroba returns (i.e. isnt afk), AZ returns... yet no interaction, and vote together after all this. AZ scum, DMB town So the first PUSH about Sandroba needs to do things is pretty weak. I felt the same way. The D2 PUSH/PULL Is a bit better. F tier with me, and then "I'm not sure on sandro" And I believe Sandro did not post during this time. This is pretty bad. The next PULL I don't even see how it's a PULL. The next one on flipping on the sandro read has a PUSH PULL - except he highlights half a sentence. Doesn't really fit. But of course he does not want to lynch Sandro in the paragraph also. Then AlphaZero goes back to DMB. It's better than my case, and I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over. But I think it's the best case around. I think AZ is mafia. Next - vote colors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this. sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): Applying this to D1 lynch Day One Kelsi3r (7): scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, sandroba (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Vivax (0): Mocsta (0): Trfel (0): Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r Thanks for coloring these. I started one last night but I'm going to steal yours. FYI - Just use Notepad3 and use the replace function. Works better for me. I'm pretty confident in coloring Alaka green, so I will do such. Same as rayn. I really want to color Vivax red - but I'm not fully sold yet. Occam's razor tells me it's Sandroba/AlphaZero/Vivax. GG right? Can't be that EZ right? The voting would sure say such. On June 13 2024 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah there’s no shot it’s az and vivax I'll respect my townreads advice. AZ/Slam? Or else it's conspiracy theory territory. Like AZ/Trfel or AZ/Rayn. Koshi - He's ride or die town with me. Oatsmaster He's my second highest townread. Lynched scum yesterday. Asking relevant questions. raynpelikoneet He's third at the moment. And until D4+, we're not going into conspiracy theory territory (listed below) Trfel He's so town by tone, and how much he communicates and ask questions. He's just been off on correctness. So it makes me slightly worry. Still wants to lynch DMB which I'm doubtful is mafia. Alakaslam Did jump on the mafia bandwagon at the end. We need more from you D3 sir. I feel you are the puzzle piece to solve this. I'm still leaning town on Mocsta. He's had some weird posts though. If he's around D3, I think we need to go over some things seriously. I'm town leaning DMB. I just do not see a mafia/mafia wagon D2. It COULD be - but if it was, Vivax and AlphaZero voted elsewhere. If it was Sand/DMB/Vivax or Alphazero and you know ones going down, why vote elsewhere? So that doesn't make much sense. Also, DMB has had some townie posts - I kind of disagree with Trfel. I don't want to lynch DMB tomorrow either unless something crazy. If someone wants to do a REAL case, I'm willing to listen. But also points above too. AlphaZero The dead horse of beating. He (I assume) talks a lot, wants me dead, seems to only want townies dead. Flip flop on Sandroba or saying he's F tier but doesn't want to lynch. 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On June 13 2024 11:01 AlphaZero wrote: so basically scott claimed scum. because his DMB read is super waffly, but he slipped that DMB was town. I've read DMB town pretty much the whole game Not nearly as waffly as your Sandroba read | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:09 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah makes sense, until his last post has her as basically null. "I'm town leaning DMB." What the fuck are you talking about? It's literally right here https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193865 Mocsta's case https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28193475 I don't like to get personal in games. But are you just going to keep ignoring or lying? | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:20 Mocsta wrote: I can talk to you i mean. i dont see how a claim changes anything? Because if you haven't been CC (counterclaimed) you are probably confirmed town and things make more sense But like i said it can wait until D4 | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in. ![[image loading]](https://svgsunshine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Svgsunshine-465-280x280.jpg) Well we don't know who you are anyway. | ||
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We=town. I still think JAT is the most reasonable guess. But it's really not important, unless of course you do not want to ever play with me again. | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:35 Alakaslam wrote: Scott He is Conversion Please read me before saying I have no posts I have not recently said you do not have any posts. I just have a difficult time figuring out your alignment by most of your posts. I have a difficult time figuring out Chezinu in the same way. But by PoE and votes I GG'ed him out last game. | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:38 AlphaZero wrote: mocsta and scott are both calling slam mafia right? Lets talk about that, cause I can guarantee that slam doesn't Rage Quit like that if he is mafia. I'm not calling him mafia He voted for mafia Which is a point in his factor unlike yourself Although late He'd be like #4 down But higher than you | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:41 die_meatbaby wrote: But I am always happy to see at least a nice person like you around here pls stayI am content with how us town are in the position we are. I just am more focused on solving this and am more straight to the point. Ya'll want to come to the country in the United States? | ||
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The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well. Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts. **** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country. The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me. The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road. Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes. Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes. Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes. Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No. I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next. Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that. Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are. It's harder to prepare for what you cannot. rant off | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:55 Trfel wrote: No no no you don't want to live in the US, trust me. Die_meatbaby, did you really reread the entire game and everyone's filter, like you said you would here? Trfel! Welcome back. At this time, who would you like to lynch? | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:07 die_meatbaby wrote: Giving birth in a Hospital costs twice as much as my Sport car. Same as here without insurance. Same as here without insurance. Our system funds most of the "advancements" they come out with. But it's a mess here too. Abortion in some states illegal no matter of raped or age... I could give you this but it's a stretch and not my discussion I want here. Some states have a six week abortion ban. Some allow Infanticide. I'd rather that not decide your alignment. Why does college cost so much there. Freedome means beeing able to get smart without beeing in debts for a half lofe time. If you go an nontraditional path (OUT OF STATE) it's very expensive. The frugal would go to a two year in state collage and transfer and then to a four year university. Or just go to a four year university IN STATE. Our student loan program should have never been allowed. And I'm tired of "forgiveness" - just dissolve the whole program completely, and supply and demand will balance itself again eventually. The pharmacy makes profits with overpriced medicines That's how they fund the research and development. That's why they are sold so much cheaper in other countries. Now, we could go on about how much they are pushed to fund said above. Schoolshooting, violence and guns in generall. School shooting are very rare, and extremely published. If you go into statistics. Our issue now is that the schools aren't actually teaching children reading, writing, and arithmetic (math). Violence and gun grime is generally specific to a specific region, population density, and how that population density votes. Chicago/Illinois has one of the strictest laws on firearms, but crime is extremely high. The Nummer of pedophiles in your country... I don't have the statistics here - but ped's are in every country. I actually believe our country has more private orgs that filter this out. I'll leave it at that. Should I say more or are we gonna play the game | ||
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Unless you have multiple reasons to read him town You like to talk a lot Tell me how AZ is town or vote with us | ||
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She could be like x% mafia in my book? Did you read my n2 post? There's a very low chance we were on mafia/mafia by numbers | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote: What part of "I'm catching up, I don't know" is so hard to understand? Then catch up. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote: Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:51 AlphaZero wrote: Basically his read progression on my alignment. I don't think his case was an accurate representation of my alignment. and I don't understand why someone would fail to consider the IMO good reasons their prior town read could be town. He was saying not long ago that I would get shot at night, now he is utterly convinced I am mafia. It just seems to me (knowing I am town) that he is knowingly pushing a mis lynch on town here. Further, once I firmed up town read on rayn, his read on mocsta as mafia carried more weight. Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia. Then there is the obvious flailing about to get a counterwagon to sandro, which compared to my feelings of basic indifference seems scummy. Bonus points is that a Mocsta/scott team makes entire sense from the progression of day one. Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense He then joined the scott push when it was really clear that it was not going to result in anything. And now he is voting with scott on his former top town read, without the scum read really progressing to a town read in a way that makes sense. and further, scott's reasoning on me being mafia has become "because I am allergic to voting mafia" which is itself scummy and works with mocsta town because: 1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there 2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. its pretty clear to me that these are the last two mafia, but if i need to die for their lynches to happen that works, cause I don't have the time to convince people or make huge cases or anything. "Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense" No, you posted before rsoutin and trfel had a defense of scott you did not understand Link Mocsta's quotes of "Mocsta attacked me day 1 when I was pushing scott, classic chainsaw defense" "Basically I went through mocsta's case and then read my own filter and thought: "is this a reasonable reason to 180 his town read on me? is this a good faith interpretation of the facts of the matter?" and decided No , so he must be mafia." I believe Sandroba had not posted in between when your reads have changed. So they were pretty unreasonable. "1>) he has never cleared DMB and has ALWAYS hedged on her alignment, so he is basically slipping there" misrepresentation. again. 2.) he is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. My mindset is he is blue - It'll figure out itself D4. He could be mafia - I'm waiting for other townies. It's pretty clear that you are still, after attempting to lynch me D1 - and muddying the waters, you are still mafia. Oats had a solid mindset, he's dead now. GG AZ, your mindset is unreasonable from a town mindset. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:59 Mocsta wrote: Wtf is this blatant lie alpha I voted with sandroba? Lol.. the end of day count clearly shows you are talking about yourself along with vivax Quote this please when you accuse of such | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote: Like to boil down the essence of the reason that both scott and mocsta are mafia They aren't trying to solve, because they aren't genuinely considering the reasons i could be town. they are trying just trying to push a mislynch here. We are solving the game And now you are stepping up because you are feeling the pressure. Anybody reasonable would understand this That's why you shot Oats | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote: He hasn't done that. His top scum read hasn;t changed all game really. Because my scum read is solid and I just have to figure out your teammate. | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:57 Trfel wrote: He's watching out for your best interests! Side note, thanks for the explanation on Mocsta, I'll look into it more. You think Mocsta is more likely mafia than scott31337? Did you blow away my N2 post? You didn't want me to "rush" you. I would assume you are caught up in the thread? | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote: See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away Nope, I want to answer anything I ask you to. You are just reaching. Sure found a way to work around your schedule feeling the pressure I've learn people find the time to what's important to them That's why I threw a lot of people out of my life They wouldn't find time for me | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:35 scott31337 wrote: I'm done with your waffling AZ Fucking for someone if you believe they are mafia Vote for Mocsta now if you truly believe they are mafia as you do. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote: Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow. Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant) Town Koshi Vivax AlphaZero Town Lean Mocsta Null scott31337 Alakaslam raynpelikoneet Mafia Lean die_meatbaby I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next. Then vote die_meatbaby if you believe she is mafia | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:57 Trfel wrote: I don't care at all if you think I am mafia. I just want to know why you are so angry at your scum read(s) for doing something that indicates that they are mafia? This is just such a muffled NAI post. About who? | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote: I was going to read a bunch of filters and try and figure out who is mafia but I guess sometimes they just gift-wrap themselves and drop into your lap? What does this accomplish? | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote: No? What part of putting him as Town makes you think I would vote for him? Explain why. Oats is dead. Explain who if you still believe DMB is mafia who is their partner | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote: ##vote scott31337 So you have not thought out any of the game. AZ/Trfel conspiracy theory come true Without any reasoning | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:23 Trfel wrote: What does Oatsmaster being dead have to do with this? I'm voting for you dude, and eventually I'll try to figure out if die_meatbaby is your partner, or someone else or what. Wow. What has changed from you. | ||
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Because if you went for me so quickly, there must be a reason. | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:27 scott31337 wrote: Because if you went for me so quickly, there must be a reason. Trfel, If you are really town. Relax, I am town too. | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:28 Trfel wrote: I dunno, maybe the fact that you decided to spew yourself mafia? And then ignore when I asked if you could explain it?Sorry, I probably shouldn't be going back and forth with scott31337 over this, but it's so much fun.... I even missed one!Why do you need me to explain why I am not going to vote for someone I think is town? Spew myself mafia? You cannot be serious. | ||
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Trfel thought I was X now I'm Y | ||
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And Oats got shot so Koshi is who I will take advice from | ||
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Are you willing to lynch AlphaZero? Why are you not willing to lynch AlphaZero? I believe he is mafia. Trfel if you are town, vote somebody who you believe is mafia. | ||
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I've never been angry at AZ - I just want him to understand where I'm coming from. This is a misrep AZ/Trfel | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:55 AlphaZero wrote: i suspect scott is playing up the drinking thing to wriggle out of that mess, he only mentions it after he fucks up. You are so mafia and just do one thing to show you are town. | ||
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On June 13 2024 15:29 Mocsta wrote: ##unvote I'm done supporting you and Trfel Are you really reading the game? I promise you I'm town AZ mafia | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:29 Koshi wrote: @scott. I have this feeling you hope to weaponise our friendship and launch an attack in AZ/Mocsta. If this is not the case. I apologize ;D There's no hope. I wouldn't vote for Mocsta today unless there's a good case for it. If you don't see the light with AZ or disagree, that's fine. I'm slightly higher than a coinflip on Slam. That could be reasoned. I went over why I believe DMB is town, so like Mocsta, unless there's a good case for it. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:16 Trfel wrote: I need to go to sleep soon. I will think about scott31337. I guess it has seemed like he's been much more focused on getting AlphaZero lynched than he has been on finding mafia. Is this reasonable? In his eyes, AlphaZero is mafia because AlphaZero was scumreading him. But Day 2, when AlphaZero stopped actively pushing the scott31337 scumread, scott31337's view didn't change at all? Actually over the day I had been thinking and he got a couple of points (So, He went from 9/10 scum to like 6/10 scum) Then once the flip of scum|sandroba happened he went back down to a 9 for doing pretty much everything to not lynch sandroba, which I suspect is his teammate. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scott why am not your top town read? As I put in my magic conspiracy theory, I could see you pulling off that phat bus - but that's for another day. I just townread Koshi/etc higher than you at this time. You contributed and voted first on lynched mafia D2. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:13 Koshi wrote: I say he is potential mafia and 2 people jump on him instantly. I say "I wouldnt lynch him" and then they ask why I laughed out loud at this... | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:21 Koshi wrote: Ok. Then this makes it really easy. :D ##vote dmb Do you really think we had two mafia on the chopping block for D2? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i get it right what you are saying, you think there is a chance that mafia!rayn went to fuck up mafia!sandroba because there was a wagon on mafia!dmb? That's your interpretaion? I actually never thought of it this way... | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote: Yeah Mocsta mafia with dmb and Sandroba explains yesterday. Way too antsy and fixed upon not voting sandroba or dmb. Hmmmm A reasonable theory... I'm going to come back and revisit this after I'm done with the thread. If it still makes sense I'll unvote. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:10 AlphaZero wrote: And Rayn is being bad by just accepting that. If I can admit I was bad with Sandro lynch. You guys should admit it when Scott flips mafia. And when I don't flip mafia, what's the next step? | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:46 AlphaZero wrote: You are going to look really smart when Scott flips mafia and I was right on day one and then you hard defended mafia all day two. See this stuff makes me still sus of you. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:54 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Scott31337 (2): AlphaZero (1); Scott31337, Mocsta(1): die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (1): Koshi Not Voting: Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, Vivax With 2 votes, Scott31337 is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Mocsta you unvoted? What about your case? Sus | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:14 Koshi wrote: AZ and slam. But rayn is cockblocking me on Slam. Rayn has a fair point on slam though. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:16 AlphaZero wrote: Scott what will you do when I flip town? Keep hunting for more mafia. Mocsta and me you say? | ||
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On June 13 2024 15:28 Mocsta wrote: i'm going to give you benefit of the doubt and unvote i have considered a possibility that, in the same way, on d1, AZ couldnt write i was mafia, instead, accused of pushing mafia agenda. perhaps subconsciously he was hoping sandroba would be town (like i was) and MAYBE... that could be an internal resistance creating push-pull my plan for today is read the sandroba cases, figure out whose i liked and understand the most and i will sheep them queation.. in the same way that you believe scum!az should have bussed scum!sandro. why would scum!sandro attempt to bus DMB? how does this pairing work? Okay. I must've missed the post or was from last night when I was tipsy | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:29 Koshi wrote: Page count from dmb = 8 Page count from slam = 8 88 stands for Heil H***** Vivax has been going off about Austrian politics all game. Coincidence? I think not. Kill Nazis, vote 88, vote DMB/Slam Next you'll bring up something about reading page 14 or lynch the person with the 14 page filter right? This is horrendous reasoning. | ||
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Are you pretty sure it's dmb/Slam. Slam is voting on me. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:41 Trfel wrote: I can't pinpoint exactly why but I am not very impressed by scott31337's posts this past hour or so. After last night I was expecting..... something different? Do I need to re-read from last night when I was tipsy? Not a whole lot stood out when I started from where my subscribed thread meter was at. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:37 Koshi wrote: Did you see the dmb post rayn quoted? Would dmb do that? Attack both sandroba and mocsta? Yeah that would be a massive play. So I'm doubtful. Hmmm | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:37 AlphaZero wrote: This game is fairly straightforward from now on. Mafia is in dmb/scott/mocsta with an outside chance of vivax. Everyone else is much too likely to be town. Alpha disagrees with that though. | ||
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On June 14 2024 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is this the day when we are all FRIENDS and then lynch mafia? I'm down! | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: But yeah Rayn should join AZ and I on scott, Scott is mafia this game, is very simple So I scum read my partner Sandroba the whole game I vote Sandroba 3rd Lynch Sandroba even with all the other thread stuff And I'm still mafia ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/m/43riVRFX3HMAAAAC/jennifer-lawrence-j-law.gif) | ||
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Koshi who I read town believes it's DMB and was a scum/scum D2. Rayn who I read town believes it's Mocsta AZ thinks Mocsta is mafia too, which tingles my spider senses Slam thinks I'm mafia Koshi doesn't believe a DMB/Mocsta team I don't think Rayn does either Is Vivax just under the radar? But Vivax thinks AZ is mafia. Decisions decisions | ||
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I think AZ and Slam, but that could be the OMGUS coming out of me on Slam. If not Slam than Vivax or conspiracy theory land but I'm not doing that until D4. I still think DMB and Mocsta are both town. | ||
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Interesting, for what we know now. And he said AZ town a few posts before this. So what's stinky about it? On June 13 2024 18:05 Mocsta wrote: yeah, i literally just read 114 sandroba hits in his filter looking for his d2 case - which there isnt one. his take on sandroba has been pretty damn consistent and lines up with thread evolution.. all his stuff with sandroba has been reactive too, and has maintained his top reads. I dunno, really does come across to me as a townie working across multiple suspects To me this is a reasonable mindset. Mocsta was scumreading me D1 maybe a little D2. I'm going to do DMB's filter next. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:22 AlphaZero wrote: Because Scott refuses to consider mocsta mafia for the same reasons he calls me mafia, when mocsta is an even worse example of that. His reason is that 'mocsta is trying to solve the game' which is the most generic reason ever and not even really true. and also because day one when I was pushing scott mocsta came in to undermine my push hard calling it 'nitpicky' i think it was a chainsaw defense. I just re-read Mocsta's filter and I'm just not seeing it. | ||
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If true then Mocsta makes sense as mafia Who's his third? I mean if he flips mafia we can figure that out later but I read a couple of Mocsta's mafia games from the database since I don't believe (or remember playing with him) He's pretty stubborn in his voting - ie I'm voting for town, and I'm voting for whoever I want. Like this game. | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote: [/b]I'm not playing anymore Go ahead and vote me off Last post Which you can reread after my town flip I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality. We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use. Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned. I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia. Why is this relevant. We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players. My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter. I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town. Alpha is scum. His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far. Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town. His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game. I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage. Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax. I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch. Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear.. Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town. His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven. Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on: 1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch 2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly 3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game It's a natural confidence boost. The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it I will vote alpha for those who see the light I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept. Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good. [B##vote: alphazero The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not be ignored. Sorry you feel that way Mocsta. This seems genuine to me. | ||
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On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote: rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok. Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this. But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. Koshi had an epiphany A'ight. I saw Mocsta unvote for AZ (I haven't gotten that far in the thread to see why) but I'm sad about it and will figure out why here when I get there. | ||
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On June 14 2024 20:54 die_meatbaby wrote: and scott I don´t want to call you a weak players it´s just that your opining posts are not the best... It's okay. I would have re-done that mason thing if I could do it over. It was unneeded stuff and enough for AZ to clench his teeth in me and not let go. | ||
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See if you really think this Koshi we should get AZ today | ||
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And you think AZ is town and I am mafia. So what's next? | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:50 Mocsta wrote: fuck this im going to back myself and vote az i need this resolved ##vote: AlphaZero c'mon scott/vivax join me Well I like this better than DNB. Although unless someone else moves DNB is at 4 first. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:06 Mocsta wrote: holy shit.. wow wow wow ughhhhh theres no way mafia says this.. only i can know this because i know im town ##unvote i need to process this. going to leave game for a bit You really don't think he has the ability to do this? | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have given my reasoning for why Mocsta is mafia and i don't really care that much anymore because i am talking to bunch of rocks, so i am just gonna see what is the best options of what is "available". Already spent too much time D2 talking about why obvious mafia is obvious mafia, and even that almost went to waste. If people wanna throw the game be my guest. I am not staying up until 5am every day just to get ignored asnd called stupid. I have not called you stupid - I apologize if others do. It's not how I play this. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:33 Mocsta wrote: Scott Were you lurking around before? I was reading the thread here and there and then had a long work phone call. I'm done with work now | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Ahhh sat for me. Maybe Friday for you Will you be doing one your summary catch up posts at some stage? I want to know how your reads have progressed with all this chaos Even if the outcome.is the same.. there is new info to reinforce or destabilize Depends if we lynch mafia or AZ. If we lynch mafia and AZ is left, it's pointless, because it'll basically be "Lynch AZ Tomorrow GG Town" If I believe it'll be helpful, Yes I will. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:42 Vivax wrote: 29 pages and people think I‘m mafia sigh. I know the database isn't up to date but any game I found it was 10 pages or less if you were mafia. Ugg | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:54 AlphaZero wrote: Does anyone know why town Scott refuses to reevaluate his reads? What's there to re-evaluate on you? | ||
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Least scummy Koshi raynpelikoneet Trfel Mocsta Vivax die_meatbaby Alakaslam AlphaZero Most scummy | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:03 Trfel wrote: Dude, are you serious? AlphaZero's playstyle itself has completely changed from day 1 to day 2-3. His reads have been changing as well. His pushes have been changing. Maybe to you, there's nothing to re-evaluate, because your only reason he is mafia is that he thinks you are mafia. Convincing. And he keeps voting for townies (In my opinion). So there's that too. That hasn't change today. | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:13 Trfel wrote: To be fair you asked why you should re evaluate. I gave you reasons. Another reason why you shouldn't doesn't invalidate the reasons I gave. But whatever, you clearly made up your mind long ago. AZ isn't going to be lynched today - that ship has sailed. So let's try to find the other mafia, okay? I don't think it's Vivax though. | ||
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So I'm reading his filter again. His D1 is a majority of thinking about the game posting. Asking Oats how you top town read him and Oats went over it/didn't comment on it. Like he doesn't get into all the political/shit posting until later in the game. He didn't vote mafia D2 either, so there's that. | ||
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Are ya'll sticking with Vivax then? | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:37 AlphaZero wrote: wtf are you talking about, you think DMB is mafia and Vivax is town right? so why would scum move from your town read to your mafia read. Classic mafia fearmongering. Because there are only two people that have full knowledge. Oh yeah, if one is mafia, only one could move since there's only two left. I got you, I had to rethink what I said. My fault! | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:50 Vivax wrote: That‘s not the same. Can‘t be a pianist on a toy keyboard My desktop from a few years ago has basically turned into a glorified file server with RGB lighting and a 240hz monitor. I even gave my video card to my wife for hers. She'd get jelly if i played games for multiple hours back there - so now i game on the laptop in the living room. | ||
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On June 15 2024 11:14 AlphaZero wrote: Hahaha I’m going to be mislynched next probably. This is a loss. Let's just pretend we are both town, and just have not seen the light on each other. There's still two mafia out there, so let's find the other mafia member. I'll even break from you if you are willing to do that D4. | ||
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On June 15 2024 19:04 Koshi wrote: Mocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day. Lynch who ever you want. Dont pretend you actually want my input. Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle. I am out. I'm sorry as well Koshi. My energy is running lower and lower for this game. I suspect Trfel and Alpha will come after me again tomorrow instead of finding the other two mafia. I'll be traveling most of the day today and will not be around until late evening. | ||
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On June 15 2024 23:20 Alakaslam wrote: With phrasing like that, can you really be surprised? I don’t know what else I can do to prove to the other townies AZ is mafia. Tomorrow is better spent on finding the other. Or it’s in conspiracy theory land. Maybe lynch me and flip town? But it’s lylo then. Thread sentiment is worse and worse. Like I said, low energy. | ||
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On June 15 2024 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk why we arent lynching the people who actually say very scummy shit? I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! So my vote on Sandroba sheeping my top town read Koshi was a bus? | ||
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On June 16 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote: D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups. And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work. And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard. And now you will be eaten by the shark. N0mn0mn0m I only have a few minutes while I eat and get back on the road. I bursted out laughing at this. Thank you for this. And the last post. I attempt to follow/sheep Koshi to the promised land. And all I get is called mafia for it. Thank you again Koshi. | ||
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On June 16 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote: Voting scott was a reaction of fear. Fear that I am wrong with vivax... I am sorry for getting nervous at all that chaos that happend in the last 2 hours before the lynch was. I was ready to die and not thinking that the lynch would change anyway. Trfel you safed one town but we all lost one town. At one point everybody was voting on everybody it was to much chaos for me to find the right vote at this moment and as couldn´t read vivax 100% he was my final vote and I switched but sorry to say that fucking happens especially at a time like that was. I didn´t want to lose another town who maybe is even more usfull and activ as me. So I tried to at least find the real scum, but I failed. I said have to reread scott... When I am so fucking stupid to read my fucking lover wrong(what usually don´t happend) then I have to read my townreads again as well. Find scum. Screw the town reads. | ||
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Well, I don't know where to start. The town's all over the place... Many people say I have "static" reads, so I'm going to change that in this post. Koshi was such a light of fresh air. Lynched mafia D2 (I voted with him). Attempted to lynch DMB D3 (I stayed when I was confident Vivax was more town than DMB) Now Koshi is - I'm not sure what the right word is. Frustrated? Well, I'm in the same boat. I cannot blame him. I'm about 90%+ sure Koshi is dead after I post this. RIP I need some blue to come forward. Ya'll will call me scummy for "bluehunting," but either we need some info, or a confirmed town to step up to listen to and lead (or give unbiased insight). If we mislynch today it's LYLO. Every one of you besides Koshi have done terrible things. Now onto the truthbombs - On June 15 2024 15:33 Koshi wrote: It was a fun game. I read saw the vote thread and it seems most of you are responsible for this. I tried but you guys have this urge to be bad that you need to scratch. Now the roleblocker stays alive and I am dead. I applaud her partner. He must have done a good job yesterday. Maybe tomorrow you will lynch dmb or slam. This is what I'm going to do - without some type of claim or information. Lynch DMB or Slam. On June 16 2024 02:27 Koshi wrote: 1 name + dmb. Don't even bother saying 2 names. The jubjubs cant handle that. 100%. On June 16 2024 02:32 Koshi wrote: Like... I said a million times to look into slam and dmb. And go fishing after that. But they insist on being shitters and dont respect anybody or anything except their own dilusions. Asking them things is useless. Guiding them 1 cm from the promised land is useless. Agreed. On June 16 2024 02:34 Koshi wrote: Interacting with them is useless. I hear you! On June 16 2024 02:40 Koshi wrote: Retarded fake cases d2 to waste 24hours. Fighting them tooth to nail to get Sandroba lynched while they insult us, vote us, even vote dmb. Entire d3 I sit on dmb. Try to get the morons on dmb. It works. Dmb does nothing. And voila. Vivax lynched. On June 16 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote: D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups. And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work. And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard. And now you will be eaten by the shark. N0mn0mn0m I don't have the energy to spend re-writing shit in my filter either. If you have a question you want me to explain or expand - I'll do my best. I voted for lynched mafia D2. Most of you voted for town lynch D3. Koshi top town Least scummy to most Rayn- Lynched mafia D2. I cannot say that about many others. Still locked on Trfel, Slam, AZ town. Which makes little sense. There's definitely mafia in those three. Trfel—still the waffliest town I've seen in awhile. Hints about lynching me, but won't pull the gun. I know he's done it to Mocsta and DMB. Has he done it to Slam? Mocsta: One post from AZ makes him give up on him, which to me is amazing. I feel a lot of follow-thread sentiment here. AlphaZero - What else is there to say? "Your reads haven't changed." You are right—you're mafia or terrible. I don't know how others that I know are more intelligent than myself do not see it. If you are mafia, there's only one other. It can't be you/Trfel/Mocsta/Rayn. But they are blind to AlphaZero. I'm stumped. But mentioning you as a mafia member will confuse the jubjubs, so that's probably not happening today. DMB: DMB was kind of pissed off after the lynch and noted, "I'll revenge you, Vivax," in so many words and not much else. Koshi's main scum read. Alakaslam - Still doing the Slam thing. Hasn't voted for the mafia. Voted for Trfel yesterday. I'll be checking the thread, but I'm not going to pour hours into my defense. I do follow to play for my win condition as town, but there's a line that it'll be more time beneficial to: planting flowers, reading Koshi's filter, hookers and blow, drinking, cleaning, pretty much anything else. Without "blue" info, I'll be sheeping Koshi and voting for Alakaslam or DMB unless something major occurs. Good luck, Jubjubs! | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:07 Mocsta wrote: Scott, why do you interpret this as following thread sentiment? Do you disagree that mafia!AZ would not have dropped a scumread on me at that moment of chaos? Yes. Are you willing to hear? Because I mentioned I wasn't going to talk about AZ. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:08 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, AlphaZero (3); Trfel (1): Alakaslam Scott31337 (1): Mocsta (0): Not Voting (1): Mocsta With 3 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:11 Mocsta wrote: @Scott [quote[DMB: DMB was kind of pissed off after the lynch and noted, "I'll revenge you, Vivax," in so many words and not much else. Koshi's main scum read. Technically, if DMB is mafia she enact revenge by shooting Trfel... This is an interesting association i had not considered hmmm sheep koshi or not that is the question[/QUOTE] Good thought. | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:23 Mocsta wrote: are you suggesting I was a tiebreaker between dmb and alphazero? I'm not suggesting it, you were it when you left your vote. You were aware of such, correct? | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:50 AlphaZero wrote: its possible its koshi and/or rayn but if either of them are mafia we just lose. I honestly think that mocsta is too transparent with his thinking and his thought processes mostly make sense. That leaves scott, dmb and slam. I tend to think slam is only mafia if its with rayn, cause rayn agrees with me argument on why he is town. So I guess that leaves scott and DMB. Not sure that pairing makes the most sense. Scott is the scummiest and has slipped MULTIPLE times in the past day. So im voting scott. Vote: Scott If it's Koshi I'm willing to lose. If it's Rayn - like I said it's his super townread on Slam, Trfel and yourself. One's dead, so he was right on one. I felt Trfel town but so waffly. But the other two? I'm willing to listen and learn and research on Rayn. But he's my top town for the Sandroba lynch, which is more than many others have done - like yourself. So, your "If it's Rayn or Koshi GG" mindset is pretty shitty. | ||
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If it's Koshi and it's D5, let's investiture. | ||
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On June 16 2024 12:31 scott31337 wrote: Just rethink EVERYBODY. Would you do another of your vote colors? Those are appreciated I'll do it literally tomorrow. Sorry to ask jubjubs to ask for anything right Koshi | ||
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Koshi the master? Why shoot Trfel the waffle? | ||
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I don't buy it at all Sandroba/Slam/? Who's left? | ||
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On June 16 2024 17:25 Koshi wrote: Check 1 Slam Check 2 dmb Result slam and dmb are different Check 3 az No result I believe you but why shoot Trfel? If there's a JK they've been RB'ing them or terrible at their job why RB you now? Or JK jailed you to be once. Need to think on a more sober mind. Voting Slam. | ||
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On June 16 2024 17:45 Mocsta wrote: To confirm. Dmb/az check was different? No DMB/Slam check was different Wow Koshi they are jubjubs | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote: If it's slam and you Slam is auto vote me Rayn is auto vote me Game is over _----- Let's just go with dmb scum D3 dmb 5-1 N4 koshi 4-1 D5 Scott (town) 3-1 N6 az 2-1 Mylo Rayn slam mocsta But you're right..perhaps scum!Rayn is still sniping for a medic and I get shot tonight. Who knows If DMB scum I have lynched mafia d2 - voted for them d3 - and lynched (Hopefully, day isn't over yet!) d4. And you still think I'm going to be lynched? I think even AZ might see the light then. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: That settled it. ##unvote ##vote Mocsta Slam, scott (if youre town), follow to win with style. DMB can't even vote elsewhere =) Tomorrow. | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:00 AlphaZero wrote: See I’m not sure that’s a great argument. It’s true I would kill you , but counterpoint. You have been calling Scott and Mocsta mafia all game. Why did they not kill you.? Interesting cause trfel was defending both and he is dead I'm pretty sure rayn has not been calling me mafia all game. He has on and on here, but not all game. | ||
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On June 18 2024 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you realise scott, that only chance of winning this game if we are both town is to vote for the other mafia than dmb/slm today? So, do you think i am town? Does not compute Help me out here | ||
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DMB Mafia Slam shot Then it's me Koshi Rayn AZ and Mocsta 4-1 If Rayn is lynched (or myself in your thoughts) still have ML LYLO Still have two days Would know Slam is conftown DMB town 3-2 LYLO Obviously town should lynch Slam tomorrow Anyone against is mafia NK 2-1 Hope for the best If we try Rayn plan and go all in lynch outwards just like town did yesterday Koshi will never forgive me If we miss it's GG for sure If we hit it's 4-1 and lynch DMB/SLAM GG That's less than a 40% chance of winning to me On June 15 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote: Mocsta. Because you tried this day and are one of the few townies that isn't full blown retarded. Trust me that dmb is roleblocker or mafia is rayn/slam. Do your analysis correctly knowing that. I cba to read yesterday because I am too disappointed in you fucking moronic idiots undoing everything I worked for. But that being said, the mafia really wanted ti get the lynch off the rber. Sorry Rayn I'm not buying it. Yes I've read the game. I have to stay with DMB. | ||
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On June 18 2024 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who do you think is town scott (and slam)? Koshi. Not much has changed from my N3 post. | ||
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Kelsi3r (8): Mocsta, scott31337, trfel, rsoultin, scott31337 (4): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, raynpelikoneet (0): vivax (0): Mocsta (0): trfel (0): Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r With 8 votes, Kelsi3r is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Sunday, Jun 09 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Day Two Vote Count sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): With 7 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Day Three Vote Count vivax(5): AlphaZero, trfel, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, trfel (1): Alakaslam AlphaZero (0); scott31337 (0): Mocsta (0): With 5 votes, vivax is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Day Three Vote Count die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, AlphaZero (3); trfel (1): Alakaslam scott31337 (1): Mocsta (0): Not Voting (1): Mocsta With 3 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Day Four Vote Count die_meatbaby (6): Koshi (1): die_meatbaby raynpelikoneet (0): Mocsta (0): scott31337 (0): Alakaslam (0): With 6 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Tuesday, Jun 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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Best raynpelokineet AlphaZero Mocsta Worst Koshi said DMB flips RB it's Mocsta | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:38 Mocsta wrote: no one is lynching you for inactivity you need to stop with this "please pity me" thing | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have given my reasoning for why Mocsta is mafia and i don't really care that much anymore because i am talking to bunch of rocks, so i am just gonna see what is the best options of what is "available". Already spent too much time D2 talking about why obvious mafia is obvious mafia, and even that almost went to waste. If people wanna throw the game be my guest. I am not staying up until 5am every day just to get ignored asnd called stupid. | ||
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On June 18 2024 11:43 Mocsta wrote: you do what you want br0 I'm saving koshi tonight (again) You can answer this tomorrow - Are you hard claiming? | ||
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So I know to look else where/add to conftown. He's been so wishy washy of his seriousness. | ||
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On June 19 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote: Slam added me to a mason chat FYI. Is there more than Hijole's and Youtube videos? | ||
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On June 19 2024 21:35 Mocsta wrote: How about you solve the game rayn Is that not the best defense and suits the qualities you bring as town I agree! | ||
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On the chance that you are not mafia - You are sure AZ is town? | ||
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On June 20 2024 20:08 Mocsta wrote: Hi scott Good Morning. Let me have my coffee and catch up. | ||
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Rayn thinks Scott town Mocsta mafia maybe AZ/DP Mocsta thinks rayn mafia But if rayn flips town - then what? Slam thinks Rayn mafia and then me/Scott AZ thinks relatively the same I believe I mean I don't know what to do or say I really want rayn to be mafia and then it's GG If he's not though I suspect AZ will go after me tomorrow Ugg | ||
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