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Trfel
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Also, I don't think it serves any purpose as a joke, it's pretty much out of the blue and tbh it isn't really funny or interesting. Like, why would he read the rules and then say he didn't? I just don't see any incentive or motivation for it. It really makes me think he's posting to draw attention and for the sake of posting. Idk, I feel like I am going in circles. Tired Trfel is tired  Someone come in with super insight and save me? Please? | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, this exactly what I am doing. Glad you understand I think you're trying to justify why Oats is town based on why he would be mafia.  But okay, how do you think this is different from the last game? Last game, Oatsmaster at least had a direction. Like at the start, before he got too focused on the MS Paint timestamps, he at least had an argument and was trying to get it across. Here, he's literally just being present (but uninvolved) and suspicious. It's completely different imo? To think that I have generally thought that "too scummy to be scum" is a stupid argument | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, why would he post that as a joke either? And I don't think it makes him town necessarily, just seems to indicate that way?Oats has played a couple of these games, they are the same. Semi-open setup + whisperer. What is there to read in the OP / rules? If it is not a joke, why does he post that in the first place because he already knows the rules.... On June 07 2024 15:32 AlphaZero wrote: I thought I discussed this a page or two ago. I had a hard time understanding Vivax's stance on Oatsmaster, but when I brought it up, rsoultin strongly agreed with Vivax's perspective. So either they are mafia together and rsoultin is defending Vivax (very tinfoily), or Vivax's view is more reasonable than I thought. So I backed off. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misinterpreting Oatsmaster's vibe but I don't think it is anywhere near as simple or cursory as Vivax seems to think?Trfel what happened to your pressure on Vivax? From what I can see, you thought his oats read was off and then the next thing you said was you didn't want to lynch him today? @Kelsi3r, meta is very overrated. And don't worry, raynpelikoneet and I didn't get a ton done, it's largely missable imo. However, I'm confused because you said you like AlphaZero and rsoultin for their comments on scott31337, but you don't like Vivax. Didn't Vivax comment on that same general idea (even if not as clearly laid out)? Safe travels, Mocsta! I expect this thread to be your airllane reading, and await large quantities of analysis when you land | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote: Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious.I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that. What does it say about scott? I don't know But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage. Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over. That's an ok starting point. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote: Dang, short flight. Go fly around again until you have better thoughts Trfel prepare to be disappointed Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did Rsoultin I'm back to neutral Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future  Can I clarify what a "buzzy" read means? | ||
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On June 07 2024 19:37 Mocsta wrote: Oof, turbulence is no fun, sorry Flight for work. Glad it's over. Turbulence was terrible. Buzzy would be like scummiest. Pinging me / buzzing me I want to read your post on Kelser but really struggling to concentrate into paragraphs lol.. what a convenient excuse In all seriousness will examine after dinner. Also glad you made it.Gotcha, makes sense. I don't think I want to lynch Mocsta either. Feel free to let me know what you think about Kelsi3r, I'm quite interested in this approach. | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote: He mentioned Oatsmaster's vibe, not scott31337's vibe though? Unless you are interpreting this very differently from me. That's what I acknowledged though, while the points raised by AlphaZero and Vivax aren't exactly the same, they are still somewhat similar.Seemingly harmless question with emphasis on trying to look useful. Scum-meter vibrates slightly. Oats with acceptable vibe so far. That said, you didn't address the main point, which is: why would you townread AlphaZero for saying something you don't necessarily agree with, and especially, why would you townread rsoultin for agreeing with this when you don't agree yourself? Also I'm going to post whenever I feel like, I see no need to wait around. | ||
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Honestly it feels like you are deflecting by attacking my questioning method instead of actually discussing the main point? You said you answered this but I looked at your filter and I don't see this explained at all? | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote: I guess I should clarify that I don't think this itself is too unreasonable, as long as they have a sensible explanation. The part about rsoultin sticks out the most to me. But we can wait and see what happens.Not really I don’t think it’s absurd to townread someone off a point they made on someone else even if that point isn’t good | ||
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Trfel
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On June 07 2024 20:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean you can think whatever you want to think, I just think it shows some inconsistencies in Kelsi3r's thought process.I don’t get what you hope to achieve tbh, what about rsoul is like even worth a question @Kelsi3r, thanks for the explanation. I'll have to think about this. On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote: I admit I also have had a hard time finding what exactly you are interpreting as nitpicky, I tried to find it and failed. Guess I'm mafia. Ah well.I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all. I find his entrance to be forced, like he is trying too hard to find something scummy. I am interested in why truffles thinks he doesn't want to lynch mocsta today? Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push? And no, for not wanting to lynch Mocsta, it's because he was suspecting you when pretty much everyone else was saying you looked towny. It's far from 100% or anything but going against the grain like that can be a good indicator. Happy Friday, marvellosity! On June 07 2024 22:47 Alakaslam wrote: Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious?Hijole how did I forget this My work, my work! Don't post too much! I shall return When I come back, I expect to see much vote alakaslam based on this... but I can do no different! Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. On June 07 2024 22:49 Mocsta wrote: See here. I'm not sure what you are talking about with Kelsi3r's opening post, if you're asking if my reason for not wanting to lynch rsoultin is similar to Kelsi3r's, it's not at all.hey trfel.. what's the minus point referring toand is this fundamentally different to what kelsiEr said on entry? On June 07 2024 22:55 sandroba wrote: The issue here is that the post in question comes from scott31337 who (at least in my opinion) always manages to contradict himself and look really suspicious. I have no idea how someone can be so talented at this, but he manages quite well.This seems fake from scott - does not look reasonable that rayn's non answer could ever be what he was looking for. On June 07 2024 23:03 sandroba wrote: I'm happy to start a war if you would like, I bet us smiley face users can take you boring unemotional people down Trfel so far seems overly friendly and lighthearted in his tone, and employing an overuse of smiley faces which should definitely be criminalized in this town. It's different from the past 2 games we played where he was town. | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:32 rsoultin wrote: What? How is Alakaslam making sense, he hasn't really said anything?!take this with a grain of salt cause d1 slam read but he's making more sense than usual which i normally associate more with his scum game | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:36 rsoultin wrote: Um, would it be possible that you didn't struggle to understand what he said because...... he didn't say anything? XDyes but my brain didn't explode trying to interpret what he did say lolol this sounds so mean but it's truuuuee | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: For what it's worth I was thinking/going to say the same thing. Feels exceptionally uninsightful from marvellosity.*Of mine i mean. Idk if i should be worried about that marv read on her, but it definitely raises my eebrows. | ||
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Town Maybe Town rsoultin + Show Spoiler + It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler + Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler + This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. Unknown Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler + Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this scott31337 + Show Spoiler + Made you look die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler + I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better.Vivax + Show Spoiler + He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler + Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Maybe Mafia Alakaslam + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote: Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler + I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote: Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. Mafia Idk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet. | ||
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He hasn't really done anything? List of what he's done:
Not having any scumreads/suspicions, sure. But in combination with actually being somewhat present and posting? And in combination with the other thing, townreading rsoultin for liking with something that he didn't agree with himself? Would very much like to discuss this. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:19 sandroba wrote: No real thoughts on you to be honest. Hopefully I can work it out with more time.Why don't I have a spoiler trfel? | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is rsoultin a drug we're taking or something?as a side note i am still not going to look into kelsier / mocsta (an their argument that i found stupid by skimming), at least before we are out of rsoultin. I didn't understand or get much from the Kelsi3r/Mocsta argument, but ignoring that, I think Kelsi3r looks really really suspicious here. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, I have no idea what a Trfel analysis is?While i do that, can you (Trfel) do a Trfel analysis on marv? I could see marvellosity being mafia (due to the post you mentioned), I just don't think it's super super likely at this time? Like not impossible by any means, just not likely enough for me to want to pursue it, if that makes sense. I think it will become significantly more apparent (one way or another) as time passes, which is part of it. Other than the rsoultin post though, I don't have much reason to suspect him. I liked how he agreed with my post on Kelsi3r and bolded the most important part. I haven't played with marvellosity as mafia but when we are both town we have tended to see things similarly sometimes, and this reminded me of that. Most importantly though I think it's best to wait for a while. | ||
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