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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Nothing? I think pretty much the same?Trfel what changed your mind about Sandro from this post to the most recent one you made where you said he’s actually been very sane | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: That’s not what you’ve been saying this whole game though? On June 10 2024 09:36 Trfel wrote: Watch List (...) sandroba: lack of activity/involvement (...) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 11 2024 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote: What about raynpelikoneet being unable to construct a rational thought?Not really sure why rayn being an huge egoist is a scumtell tbh Do you actually think that raynpelikoneet, as town, could actually believe that case has any merit? | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote: I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post.Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote: Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this:Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game? | ||
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Trfel
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: The fact that when sandroba and I explained it, he didn't change his view at all?I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote: Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched.Day Two Vote Count sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero Vivax (2): Koshi (1): Vivax, scott31337 (0): With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well. | ||
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Trfel
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I think not having Alakaslam's vote is the nail in the coffin. If he was still around there'd at least be hope to get Mocsta and Alakaslam on board, without, why even bother? I mean I guess I could just stop posting, but I don't know if I have the self control. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Hm, I thought tomorrow was LYLO. Point taken.Correct me if I’m wrong This is assuming no blue actions Currently its 8-3 town-mafia After n2, it will be 6-3 town mafia After n3 it will be 4-3 town mafia. Even if Sandro is town, we still get 1 more mislynch to lylo. Why the doom and gloom? This only applies if Alakaslam is replaced (unlikely) or is mafia, though. If he's town, a 4v3 without Alakaslam's vote is game over. Even if Alakaslam is mafia or replaced, you think it's reasonable for town, minus the best two players, to unite and lynch three mafia in a row when people are not listening in the slightest? It doesn't matter how obvious we make it, if people aren't going to listen it doesn't matter how good your argument is. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote: You're completely ignoring the quality of the arguments on both sides.I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here. We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other. The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax We've put forward tons of strong reasons to suspect many people on the sandroba wagon. In contrast, the sandroba voters have pointed out that he has a three page filter. Some things just aren't equal. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:37 Mocsta wrote: Okay, I'll swap votes too. Might as well try.im swapping my vote to Rayn ##Unvote ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet Without someone switching it won't happen though. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm not going to defend every single word AlphaZero says. If you think he's mafia, you can say why. If not, then I don't know why you are doing this.You are completely ignoring the “my wagon is much more pure” I think he's frustrated. There's plenty of reason to be frustrated. I'm not going to critique the littlest things that don't matter. In all honesty..... Should we lynch scott31337? Do we have the numbers? It might be better than lynching sandroba here, if it's possible. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Maybe try reading a little? Just a little?Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing. | ||
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Trfel
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On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote: I seem to have found a loophole, I can apparently get myself modkilled as long as it doesn't help my team.Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): (...) [*] Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. (...) Side note, curious if we are enforcing this: On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm sorry too, it's largely my fault, unfortunately some out of game stuff happened right after the start of the game and I don't want to talk about it or use it as an excuse but it's just really hard for me to have the patience that I need to. I'm trying as hard as I can to be patient but I'm not meeting the standards I would like to.Okay let me reset because clearly this isn’t the way that any game should go. I apologize for any of the posts I’ve made that are inflammatory and not relevant to the game/solving mafia. I totally understand if your experience hasn’t been good and I am sorry about that. Going forward I just want to have fun and enjoy playing mafia and I hope to foster an environment that it will be possible to have fun, win or lose | ||
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Trfel
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Oatsmaster, I apologize in advance if I ignore any of your questions. I will do my best to be patient and interact in a civil manner but if I need to stop talking to preserve my sanity, I will do so. It's obvious but to clarify, you (and anyone else) have every right to disagree with me, and I'm sorry if in my frustration it has come across as otherwise. | ||
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Trfel
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It looks like the best alternative is raynpelikoneet. I've presented my arguments, I can try and restate them so that they make more sense but I don't think it would make a huge difference. If people don't agree then so be it. Hopefully I am wrong or we can figure things out later. I don't think there is anything meaningful I can do to try and change the lynch, so unless that changes, I guess I might as well wait and see what happens and then act accordingly. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I guess I can go back and respond to this. If you don't agree that's fine but I'll try.I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment. It's totally understandable for someone to misinterpret something and make a wrong claim and realize it and retract their claim. This isn't what raynpelikoneet did. When sandroba and I pointed out that he was misreading sandroba's post, instead of changing his view, raynpelikoneet modified his argument. See here: On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Raynpelikoneet's initial argument:TLDR; If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin. - Sandroba said that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster could be mafia (implying this is more likely). Then, sandroba said he thinks rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, but didn't think Oatsmaster is mafia Becomes: - Sandroba said a pointless association read, it's pointless because it only matters if someone is town, and sandroba thinks that person is mafia The latter isn't wrong, but it's a much weaker argument. However, this change did not affect raynpelikoneet's read on sandroba or his confidence in this case. Town in this spot would re-evaluate given the new information. Note that raynpelikoneet's third point is literally nonsense. Sandroba said "I have no idea how to read rsoultin so it helps that Koshi replaced in, here are the reasons Koshi is mafia: (reasons)" and took that to mean "Koshi is mafia because I have no idea how to read rsoultin" which is simply not what sandroba said? The end result is you have a three point case where raynpelikoneet literally said the first point doesn't mean anything on its own, the second point is quite weak, and the third point is objectively not true. But raynpelikoneet still believes it, very strongly, after being shown these things. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 11 2024 16:16 Koshi wrote: Do you think it is good still?Ahno you understand it. You just dont think it is good. | ||
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