On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do?
I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case?
I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point.
I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ???
What poor reasoning?
You were the first to react to Dandel claiming the election thingy. And you somehow knew he wasn't lying EVEN BEFORE HAPA SAID THE ABILITY HAD BEEN ACTIVATED.
You were so sure it was real that you inferred the only reason for a N0 was his role. But you didn't vote for it asap or accuse him for it because you were unsure what it would make you look like for everyone else, which is your only concern this game.
Exactly. Vivax’s work is too good to be scum now. 3p or town and he has claimed 3p so that is what he is
On January 15 2021 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't necessarily believe Vivax's claim atm. He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone.
I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum.
I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1.
Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works?
You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town.
/shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it.
I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia.
Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort.
@waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that.
But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even.
It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one.
Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do?
I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case?
I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point.
I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ???
What poor reasoning?
You were the first to react to Dandel claiming the election thingy. And you somehow knew he wasn't lying EVEN BEFORE HAPA SAID THE ABILITY HAD BEEN ACTIVATED.
You were so sure it was real that you inferred the only reason for a N0 was his role. But you didn't vote for it asap or accuse him for it because you were unsure what it would make you look like for everyone else, which is your only concern this game.
Exactly. Vivax’s work is too good to be scum now. 3p or town and he has claimed 3p so that is what he is
I feel stupid now.
LOL, noting this as I go because I am pretty sure Vivax had stated, before the post Slam started on here, that he didn't trust slam's claim.
On January 15 2021 22:04 Vivax wrote: Hell even Slam claimed to have retracted his TR.
I‘m quite sure I didn‘t choose someone the majority wouldn‘t want lynched so your post is outlandish.
That is exactly why there is so much WIFOM now though dude.
You’re a 3P claim. There is no guarantee that there is 3P. I have CAUGHT DANDEL.
This shit couldn’t wait for tomorrow? Oh, of course not- you have to save your scum mate!
This feels legit.
On January 16 2021 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean at least the tension is real here now We still almost certainly all agree to hit obi and win or lose based on that, and it'll be exciting
If he used it on dandel like a good boy we would have all afked until tomorrow
On January 15 2021 22:04 Vivax wrote: Hell even Slam claimed to have retracted his TR.
I‘m quite sure I didn‘t choose someone the majority wouldn‘t want lynched so your post is outlandish.
That is exactly why there is so much WIFOM now though dude.
You’re a 3P claim. There is no guarantee that there is 3P. I have CAUGHT DANDEL.
This shit couldn’t wait for tomorrow? Oh, of course not- you have to save your scum mate!
Yeah seriously. Btw, what kind of 3p has a dueling ability at all? That doesn't make any sense lmao.
It kinda really does though, well it depends on the wincon exactly but it makes SO MUCH sense for it being my role and then rolling me 3P as I said before.
Like, thus is an aside kus I have 2 min before I gotta get back, that Cannons game I pulled up and linked a while ago when I fed up linking conversion's filter.
I endgamed that by it being me vs scum and me submitting a list of like 15 actions for each potential cycle for scum to try and mindgame me over. Think of it like I chose my next 15 rock paper scissors moves and submitted that before a match. That role is me 100%
On January 16 2021 00:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still kind of don't really think it's TT. Why does TT claim cop here if he's mafia? I think he also falls into the same category I do where people just kind of constantly throw his name down and expect him to be mafia, and then are ultimately surprised when he doesn't flip mafia.
On January 16 2021 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I kind of want to think that it's waveu just because he's not giving me any room here. Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning.
??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel.
S U P
MAH NIGGA
Have I successfully been you? :D
I am JAT. I think the game is over so may as well claim and gloat
Also, roleplaying you made me play significantly better sensei lol
Uhh, Slam this game should only be over if you are scum here getting a ML.
We do actually have to lynch mafia to win.
I'm gunna put this out of my mind rn kus if I take this as the slip I read it as I won't think about the game anymore and blindly lynch Obi.
On January 16 2021 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I kind of want to think that it's waveu just because he's not giving me any room here. Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning.
??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel.
I may be overstating it but I kind feel like you may be stuck on me, not dandel, though maybe I'm reading into thread sentiment too much and thinking the world is against me. Idk. I'm fine with dandel being dead as well and have no issue with you thinking that.
I literally said I have no reason to scumread you but poe.
That's nice and all but I'm not mafia, so obviously there's some kind of issue somewhere that needs to be addressed.
Well, help me out then.
Sure. Just ftr, your poe list is narrowed down to me and TT because you think waveu is confirmed town, correct?
Why is Noone reading my posts? No, he is not confirmed. But it is likely that he saved Yamato. If you can offer me a plausible alternative for that I will put him in the poe pool.
WAIT WAIT WAIT THERE IS WIFOM
did he save Yama on purpose necessarily? Did he know he was saving yama? His role is to reverse actions right? Who says that isn’t a scum power?
There is WIFOM you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, the juices flow greatly this game as they have not in half a decade
On January 16 2021 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I've been trying to fish for it but there's really no way anyone would ever own up to visiting yamato so I tried to use my ability on him again last night, so either he was protected and I killed him, or I was roleblocked
Honestly I would say RB but that doesn't explain the extra KP. I could understand another Prot role not wanting to claim though, we really could use another save.
So in essence, probably not a productive line of thinking here.
On January 16 2021 11:20 Vivax wrote: My role is selfish, I can't just stay alive and win with the town. I also can't win if town loses now, and town can't win either way if Obi is town and I'm 3p.
So if the town wants to self-own when Obi is scum, vote me. If mafia wants to troll, fuck off. I've devoted enough attention to this phase. If Obi is town, then gg? But then he shouldn't give a shit either, but he does.
Wait does this check?
We are at 8 ppl now. If we are in the worst case scenario where no mafia are up for lynch now and Vivax is 3P, then lynching town!Obi is auto lose and 3P Vivax getting lynched leads to 3v3 tomorrow assuming no saves...
So either one of you is scum or this comes down to night actions?
On January 15 2021 22:16 ghostofconversion wrote: why I bothered to vote is beyond me but at this point I believe it's obi/jat/dandel
I'm also being removed in 7 hours AMA
Disagree on Dandel, but one at a time. Still think ur nuke is a dud.
This post gave me modivation to open Vivax's filter and see if he seemed to think this before the duel as well, but that was inconclusive.
I did reread these though
On January 15 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote: I think Ever, Slam, Obi are all mafia tbh. But I'm probably going to duel Obi.
On January 15 2021 11:20 Vivax wrote:
On January 15 2021 11:14 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 15 2021 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh Slam I don't know what you got out of that But I didn't find a patter
Spell it out for me?
Obi immediately talks about dayphase speculation in a TMI way. As town, why should he think ONLY dandel is why there is a N0???
Because SOMEHOW, he knows SCUM is not the reason!
But you said Dandel is 100 % mafia no?
So why are you judging Obi from a point of view where Dandel did it as town?
Also TMI ;>
I think in reaction to Dandel's claim, mafia obviously played it safe and was reluctant to give a vote. Town either yolo voted because fun was more important or grew suspicious of the claim because that's what town does, HF also asked for more info.
Mafia on the other hand was more passive/careful, asked an irrelevant question (Slam), didn't commit (Obi), or did other stuff (Jat?Conv?Ever?).
Which to me doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but I could see this being Vivax's legit thinking here. Clearly though It has to be either Vivax/Dandel/+1 here or Vivax is 3P.
I also liked these
On January 15 2021 17:05 Vivax wrote: If Obi is town, this is me:
In the meantime: How did you guess what Eversinces personality was? Can't remember any SlamSlang in that filter.
On January 15 2021 19:59 Vivax wrote: There's peeps doubting my claimed ability so I felt like I had to use it.
I'm your captain now and I'll go down with the ship if Obi isn't scum.
Right after using the duel ability.
These really read like Vivax isn't sure, not like he is pushing Obi because he Needs Obi to die today for the win.
These posts are easily faked as mafia tbh - nothing in there is particularly special or enlightening or exclusively from town. Btw, if Vivax wasn't sure then he should have waited for people to talk to him about what he was doing. And none of this really erases the fact that he saved confirmed mafia from today's lynch by doing this.
NEVER FORGET that the reason we're not all enjoying our weekend is because Vivax dueled me instead of letting us put dandel out to pasture.
I guess you are right and there was a few hours gap in there.
Just not how I expect scum to push an all in play is my point.
On January 16 2021 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I kind of want to think that it's waveu just because he's not giving me any room here. Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning.
??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel.
S U P
MAH NIGGA
Have I successfully been you? :D
I am JAT. I think the game is over so may as well claim and gloat
Also, roleplaying you made me play significantly better sensei lol
Uhh, Slam this game should only be over if you are scum here getting a ML.
We do actually have to lynch mafia to win.
I'm gunna put this out of my mind rn kus if I take this as the slip I read it as I won't think about the game anymore and blindly lynch Obi.
Isn’t this post Vivax duel?
Yea I hadn't thought through the numbers yet to realize if we lynch 3P Vivax we might be fucked anyway.
By my point about us lynching mafia today would mean this game goes for more cycles is valid. Claims also are super bad if we somehow come down to night actions here.
On January 16 2021 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I kind of want to think that it's waveu just because he's not giving me any room here. Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning.
??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel.
S U P
MAH NIGGA
Have I successfully been you? :D
I am JAT. I think the game is over so may as well claim and gloat
Also, roleplaying you made me play significantly better sensei lol
Uhh, Slam this game should only be over if you are scum here getting a ML.
We do actually have to lynch mafia to win.
I'm gunna put this out of my mind rn kus if I take this as the slip I read it as I won't think about the game anymore and blindly lynch Obi.
Nah.. Shove between the two. If you're not s/3p just sway lynch on the town, shoot, win. Simple.
On January 16 2021 16:42 Eversince wrote: Ok.. Give me a second.
Slams claim, even if true, not proven, confirmed people?
He got Dandel has KP one night, then Dandel does not win with town last night. So assuming Slam is telling the truth then Dandel does have to be mafia or at best an SK.
Interestingly I think Vivax just said he cannot win with town either so idk.
I'm tempted to open up another line of WIFOM about setup but kinda besides the point atm.
I'm fairly convinced Vivax is legit 3P here, need to decide if Obi has a decent chance to be town.
Sorry all, I fell asleep trying to get to Obis filter. I am stuck at work till well after deadline and it's been busy enough that this is prob my only post.
I am voting Obi. I just don't think Vivax is scum here and is legit 3P, which means lynching him is basically a lose unless we somehow get a save.
Obi makes too much sense in multiple scum team, and though thereis a chance he is town and lynching him will lose the game I find this the only option for us to win the game.
So risking it for the biscuit, which is what I am baking all day so feels apt.
Not going to do a long thing as I agree with a lot of what Hapa already put out and I don't see the point of bashing people for questionable plays.
I think I put in scumQT but if not I legit faked the check to get Ever to stop. I was happy to just soft it and leave as is until the day went on, but I legit wanted Ever to stop and that killed 2 birds as they say.
I had more fun than I expected this game, I was very close to /outing due to this starting right as my work began to go back to normal. My team deserves a lot of credit, JAT for staying off the radar while subtlly pushing ouf agenda. Dandel for basically playing too scum to be scum and for being so willing to go down for the team but somehow managing to keep people guessing. And again, he put a fair bit of effort into his hosting despite it not doing much but make a lot of confusion.
And this got kinda long. Shut it down! I need sleep after staying up last night and working ~10 hours today.
Both kinda deffered to Yam, is how it went down. Jat waiting till late in the day and tried to "push Dandel" but mostly as a way of keeping ppl getting antsy about Sho getting lynched easily.
I was kinda stupid and misundertstood (probably just reading it how I hoped it worked) Vivax's "can't win with town" as "can win with mafia" so I tried super hard to signal to Vivax I knew some of his PM text and get him to duel Obi. It worked, but prob more since I got myself town-read hard that cycle and Vivax didnt trust Slam for some reason.
Something Ever said in game made me want to post this, but I dont think I did kus I didnt want to goof around too much by then (or was at work, idk).
I also was very sincere about the advice I gave to actually skip reading every cycle if you are low on time and can't read fast. I've genuinely skipped 20+ pages as town to focus on the cycle at hand, and only read the shit I missed via filters later. Actually a legit strat as not EVERY post is crucial to a game, and doing this is kinda like a "pallet cleanser" for the mind since your not trying to think about evey little thing that has happened.
Then again I am a bit of a madman so take my advice at your own risk.
He put out a bit too much WIFOM, "lies to get reaction/results" whatever you wanna call it and really added to the atmosphere of town not coaleseing. He did have JAT very concerned about HF proting himself but both me and Dandel were like "he's full of it dude"
IMO
Oh I also thought it was a small stroke of brilliance to get ppl to vote for Wave in the QT when I knew we were RBing him and he wouldn't be saving anyone. Obi getting a save woulda changed the game.
This game def suffered the "Town has too many good roles" and I feel the anti-claim mechanic prob needed to be a little stronger. I don't think scum could have actually done anything if massclaiming happened. Otherwise mad props to making a very fun and interesting game Hapa and Grey!
On January 18 2021 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read D0 and thought you were mafia and Vivax too, that's what i used my time on figuring out who is scum. I guess that's not bad, after that i was just rooting for town to not lynch Dandel.
I notice in Obs QT when I read it >.<
First cycle is always a bit rough for me as scum, tough balancing my own motivation and trying to scum hunt. Thankfully I am extremely used to being scumread and can usually keep myself balanced between being scumread and actually lynched. Well if I actually have time to play that is.
Converison really needed to bring out an actual case on me though, He made it really easy for me to just fling shit back and forth to the point I think ppl kinda didnt care or want to get involved. Idk if I would have been able to change Yam's mind on me. I think I was close and flipping Dandel would have given me/Jat some breathing room.
On January 18 2021 01:03 Tictock wrote: Oh and HF also kinda helped us in some ways.
He put out a bit too much WIFOM, "lies to get reaction/results" whatever you wanna call it and really added to the atmosphere of town not coaleseing. He did have JAT very concerned about HF proting himself but both me and Dandel were like "he's full of it dude"
IMO
Oh I also thought it was a small stroke of brilliance to get ppl to vote for Wave in the QT when I knew we were RBing him and he wouldn't be saving anyone. Obi getting a save woulda changed the game.
This game def suffered the "Town has too many good roles" and I feel the anti-claim mechanic prob needed to be a little stronger. I don't think scum could have actually done anything if massclaiming happened. Otherwise mad props to making a very fun and interesting game Hapa and Grey!
Don't fool yourself into thinking my wifom had anything to do with 90% of the game not particularly playing to any meaningful extent lol.
I didn't want to get protected because I wanted to die tbh.
I think it's largely a bad idea you get actual access to QTs though and not something that's really been in any game I've played in so you literally knew what was happening with the prot which is quite silly.
Agree you should have had better anti claims and I knew it could be broken with mass claims so didn't particularly bother with calling for one.
Good thing I didnt say that >.<
I do agree about the QTs, I also thought giving Jat access to the Prot QT due to him sorta-kinda already having it through Dandel/Me was not really right. I did enjoy the theme of QT creation though, with striker guidlines I think it could be a cool mechanic.
On January 18 2021 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you shouldnt wifom too much HF, it makes people think youre mafia.
Nobody thought I was mafia other than like one person lol
I think that person was mafia!TT. No, your WIFOM was a pain in the ass for mafia and generally not a bad thing. The bad thing is when you actually try to get killed because you don't want to play. Which I also understand since you were more or less the only townie actively and properly playing this game. This forum apparently isn't what it used to be.
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