[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2 - Page 4

On October 30 2020 05:37 Onegu wrote:
Is it bad if I say I have no idea what anyone is talking about visiting and corruption?

On October 29 2020 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:

Why do you feel the need to mention inactivity if you can multitask like you showed me?

That’s it so far and I think it’s enough frankly. Day will tell, there’s also total lurkers like Ticktock and Koshi.

Either the team is you and those three or Onegu, or I am wrong about someone. 3P have an easy time convincing me though, I admit 1. Being pretty bad at this and 2. Hypocrisy. I am a full blown hypocrite.

On October 30 2020 11:05 Onegu wrote:



Nah you must have forgot I am VT

On October 29 2020 08:25 Onegu wrote:
Then I will no longer be vt because I got something. See how this works?

On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.

On October 30 2020 11:34 Onegu wrote:



Meh I can kinda understand where you are coming from with the question, but it is really reachy to go from you are town to you get a item and become 3p...

I will be more clear. I am VT currently. When I get my item I become blue. Not black, not red, not italics.

On October 30 2020 11:39 Grackaroni wrote:
There didn't seem to be much of a consensus.

On October 30 2020 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:

What do you mean?

On October 30 2020 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you going to the database or not shockeyy?

On October 30 2020 13:46 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so I don't think I have the focus for this game right now. I couldn't sleep last night and tried finish catching up with the game and was freaking out for a bit because I was convinced that rayn had ended the phase 6 hours early. That said I did finish reading and here is where I am at.

It seems like the only really relevant thing right now is night actions and database stuff and the sense I get from the game is that everybody is just doing their own thing.

My understanding that the corruption counter can only go up by 1 per night so I don't really see much issue with many people using the option to check the database as we would go to 2, but 3 is the next threshold for whatever so maybe that's fine.

All I know is that corruption doesn't seem to be relevant to me (nothing seems to have changed with the counter going to 1) and I'm starting to worry about what it might mean for others to get the counter up. I think I still would like to check the corruption but am less sure that's the best thing, especially when rayn is now randomly gung-ho about doing this himself.+ Show Spoiler +

This leads me to Dirk's role. I really dislike 2 things about his claim, first and formost for me is that his ability pushed us to the next corruption level and potentially changed things. Second is that he says he is a named town yet part of his ability makes him return as 3rd party now.

I was already thinking corruption is related to a 3rd party mechanic due to the way the rules talk about the database.


This just seems to back that up.

I also noted that Dirk's thinking about how many people to send and attitude about corruption increasing was pretty inconsistent, though I don't feel like filter diving to back that up atm. So I have this sense that he is either playing a bit dumb about the mechanic or is putting out seeds of chaos about it.

On October 30 2020 14:29 Tictock wrote:


I think so, but it is moreso that I'm having problems understanding his train of thinking regarding how many to send.

Like didn't he talk about sending everybody at one point? Which to me kinda makes sense, kus it would only add one corruption and possible give a bunch of info.

Then later say "only sending 1" is the best way to get info? Which just makes no sense to me, besides being able to confirm that yes they did go... but why wouldn't scum or whoever just go anyways to be like "see I did as told"

Honestly though, I just dont think I get the whole mechanic. Which is why I was wanting to avoid corruption and spend actions checking what it did for now. So my big issue is that we got pushed forward into further unknown territory by dirk's actions.

On October 30 2020 15:05 yamato77 wrote:
Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point.

On October 30 2020 15:14 yamato77 wrote:

Why would you think your night action is worse than visiting the database if your claim is true?

On October 30 2020 15:28 Onegu wrote:
Hey question. I know I'm a idiot but with the corruption at 1 right now and it only having shit happen at 1,3,5 don't we want as many people as possible going tonight? To get the most clues?

On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote:
Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something?

Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together.

@Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here.

@dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo.

I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon.

On October 31 2020 03:03 Acrofales wrote:

"Bait"? Lol. Kinda a classic goto for scum when they got caught with their pants down.

On October 31 2020 03:06 Acrofales wrote:

Wrong animal, you should be posting baby seals, not cats. But I did my job, caught scum. Will let other people chip in.