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On June 02 2020 04:23 CopCake wrote: Just came to say I am town and ready to work with my fellow sushinians! Hi Copcake. I'm happy to have rolled town for once after god knows how many mafia games in a row  | ||
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On June 02 2020 05:32 CopCake wrote: I am going to read you town for this because I know the feeling. It is mentally exhaustingggggg!! Even if mafia is fun, many consecutive times is nope. Absolutely. I was feeling drained by it. On June 02 2020 10:07 Tictock wrote: Almost forgot about this as I've been baking a bunch of stuff today. What up peeps been awhile. I personally do not endorse the term "sushinians" as I identify as a "sushirino" + Show Spoiler + I am on the fence about sushitarian On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote: Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting. Is this the current pace of TL mafia? I'm getting a bit of a 'tryhard' vibe from these two intro posts by ticktock. The sushinians thing seems like he really wanted a gimicky intro post, and then complaining about lack of activity so early. On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote: Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread. Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia. I thought the exact same thing. I'm now going to be very wary of pocketing attempts by copcake. Very eager early townreads can go either way, but it sure makes me suspicious. On June 02 2020 12:56 Trfel wrote: Hi raynpelikoneet I think you have made the worst entrance in the thread si far and therefore you are my top scumread. Do you have any thoughts about this? The worst seems to suggest that you think rayn's entrance was actually bad, but all he did was say hi! Ita makea noa sense. On June 02 2020 17:13 jeekaka wrote: I think that tone is really easily faked. And you cannot come to thread like "can you guys believe I rolled scum again" so it's actually also very likely thing to fake. You so eagerly townreading him for it might be TMI or kinda subtly highlighting towniness of your own entry post where you stated you were town. So I don't really think you are mafia together, but seems like claiming town in the first posts works as counter psychology to me :D Sorry what does the bolded bit mean? Not quite sure what to make of Vivax's opening. His thing about not letting rayn know if he scumreads him is interesting and I don't think we should forget that he posted that. | ||
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On June 02 2020 15:29 jeekaka wrote: Me neither lol. Vivax do you mean you rolled maf? :D I think he was referring to the previous game when he rolled maf. For context, usually Vivax goes afk quickly as mafia but in the last game he posted alot and played well throughout the game, thus scuppering the easy meta read on him people were using. | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:31 jeekaka wrote: I can actually see the world where Copcake is town and Scum!Trfel sees Cake's townread of Jock as an easy thing to pick up. Cake defending that read might be consistent with them being actually sincere about it (although I still disagree, you cannot really compare two entry posts when the other is a catch up post when game has been going on for pages and the other is one of the first posts of the game). Cannot totally shake the feeling Copcakes townreads are slightly TMIsh, but having kinda cut read that Copcake/Zey are not W/W. I'm considering mostly the copcake is just looking for the reactions to her post as a way of scumhunting rather than worrying about what people are thinking. She was a reaction based player in the last game we played together. Because of this her too scummy to be scum argument actually makes sense. I'm still open minded about a possible pocketing attempt, but i'm more inclined to see her opening as town copcake. | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:35 jeekaka wrote: That when you enter the game by telling you are town it makes me question if you really are :D You should be questioning that regardless of my opening! | ||
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On June 02 2020 20:59 Vivax wrote: Was a drunk post. Anyway, good morning. No I don't think you're scum this game. And I hoped that trying to play decently as mafia wouldn't make me so easy to townread. He spent a bit too much time thinking about his own post for my taste. But could be I read too much into it. Why hedge on this? I don't get it. Use it to pressure don't just say 'yeah i think this but i might be wrong'. | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:50 Zey wrote: I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that. So what do you think Trfel's motives could be? | ||
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On June 02 2020 23:57 jeekaka wrote: Dunno if I really need to elaborate but I still might :D People don't really expect you to watch them in the eyes and lie, and scum telling they are town is kinda using that presumption in their advantage. Town does not need to do that and I would say I have seen scum just casually claim town more than actual townies. But I guess it's still not aligment indicative per se. Fair enough. There's always a townclaimer on the first page of every game i ever played. I never thought to go see how many of them turned out to be town, I just know there often gets to be a discussion about it. | ||
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On June 03 2020 00:39 jeekaka wrote: Mmmhm I think I read that interaction more like slightly trolling rayn, and I personally would rather not summon rayn's tunnel vision upon me if I was scum :D Dunno what's their mutual meta though. Exactly my thoughts | ||
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On June 03 2020 04:14 ShoCkeyy wrote: When I was mafia with Jock to the game prior to the OILS game. That would mean Jock got placed as mafia three times in a row. Unbelievably it would have made it 6/7 if you include mafiauniverse :o If I was a fish I would be Diedrich Bader. | ||
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On June 03 2020 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think she has but please do tell. On June 03 2020 00:26 Zey wrote: He wants to look like he is being active and chasing scums or he is just too excited about game and want's to do something. I'm leaning more to the first one because he also just ignored Vivax's rolling mafia post what I would say more intresting post than rayn's hi. To me it seems like he is picking somethings up without any thinking whether answers and/or reactions even can give anything. Seems like she's calling trfel town while claiming that he's not looking in the right place for scum, but if this was how i was thinking i would be suspicious that trfel ignores vivax's interesting post in favour of SRing you for 'hi!' and I'd probably be at least a little bit curious as to why. There's no attempt to engage with trfel. The explanation that trfel was just being active and chasing scum doesn't make sense if trfel is ignoring the interesting stuff in the thread. Obviously trfel was trolling but i'm trying to see it from zey's POV. She's assigning town motives to trfel, while also saying he's missing things (undermining) and not attempting to engage him about it. | ||
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On June 03 2020 05:18 Zey wrote: I'm not thinking that he is ignoring Vivax if you was saying that. He asked why Vivax thought someones post was awkward so I don't think he's ignoring Vivax. Yeah, but it is only town reason I can think of and you asked motives (not motive) so I thought you wanted to hear his motive as scum and town. So you made something up so you could tell me what you thought i wanted to hear? | ||
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On June 03 2020 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jock i think youre wrong here tbh. Noted  | ||
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On June 03 2020 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna tell you a story that has nothing to do with this game except that it does: + Show Spoiler + when i started playing here i think around 2010, i was in a big game and i was really pumped to find mafia. I get to even work with Palmar (who is my hero from what he said to me and other people that game ) and i think i did well. Except that i was not that good at english at the time and spelled a specific word wrongly. After i got killed, by the mafia, because me the newbie was a fucking threat on D4, a "specific figure of TL mafia at that time" came to PM me that i got killed "because i couldnt even spell a word" as he was mad at his own terrible performance in that said game. What was i supposed to do at that point? Especially when he was helping to mod the game after his own death. Me the newbie, I went and ruined another game because for anyone who knows me and my wrath that's what i do. kitaman still has me in his top 10 "game ruiners" without any knowledge of what actually happened (other than that i exploited his mafia/mafia chat in that game as a fucking newbie and i am PROUD OF IT!! ) So i had to try really hard to get Zey to play this game because she isnt that experienced in english. I am not asking to cut her leeway for reads but cut her leeway for language. The jock argument (trfel) thing i see rn is language. That's what i am talking about. I dont want anyone to go through something i did here. You're harshing my buzz dude lol. I did consider whether it was a language thing, i think moreso with my last post before this one, but i was also trying to put some pressure on because i don't know zey and was curious how she would react, but now i feel bad  Your post seems genuine though. | ||
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On June 03 2020 17:40 jeekaka wrote: Ok putting on my tinfoil hat. - I've learned Vivax is usually afk when maf (expect in his last game) - rolling mafia consecutive times is exhausting - Vivax does not really seem very inclined to answering questions here - I think Tictock has a good point about ShoCkeyy I was about to say that these two are certainly not mafia together, because Sho is voting Vivax, but when I checked that it's not actually the case. So now I'm wondering if this could be scum theatre for towncreds to Sho when Vivax is not up to an another top performance. Honestly I think its unlikely that shockeyy would fakevote a mafia buddy as his first post in the thread. They are both independently suspicious though. | ||
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On June 03 2020 19:08 CopCake wrote: Ahahahahaha I also loved that show a lot as a child. :D What do you think of Vivax so far? He seems non committal, with the drunk posting and then hedging on ticktock's 'awkward post', so i'm leaning scum but there isn't enough in his iso for a good read yet. | ||
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On June 03 2020 19:08 CopCake wrote: Ahahahahaha I also loved that show a lot as a child. :D It was the only show we would watch every week as a family with Sunday dinner. Good memories. | ||
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Unless I'm missing something. He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme. I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him. I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it. | ||
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Was it ever explained why Vivax said that copcake always scumreads him when he's town because i can't find it if it was. Seems like that just isn't true from the research rayn did. Like how did that just get dropped? | ||
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On June 04 2020 02:37 Vivax wrote: Fuck you rayn You're the one who changed your mafia meta + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/GDp7LycxkT3LG/giphy.gif) | ||
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On June 04 2020 03:22 Tictock wrote: Meh, still confused since he mentioned Jock/plop and I don't accpet atypical rhymscheme... Agreed that it has no bearing on his alignment, however, what do you think about his other posting? It seems like Cake and I are both picking up that Sho isn't really playing for fun atm, and I really feel like he's leaning hard on this "I don't like D1" thing which someone said is a meta for him. His play is familiar for shockeyy but i couldn't differentiate between mafia shockeyy and town shockeyy from what's currently in his filter. I don't think he's a good lynch tbh. | ||
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On June 04 2020 03:51 Tictock wrote: I'm not convinced he's a bad lynch... but I think I'd rather consolidate than keep whining about the bad taste he's leaving in my thread. Besides being somewhat unimpressive, why should I join your Vivax lynch? Mostly its his read on copcake, it doesn't make any sense to me and he kept changing his reasons. Also, if he was town I would expect him to be more aggressive in finding scum and telling us all who is scum. Especially when he's up for lynch. | ||
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On June 04 2020 04:03 CopCake wrote: I need to consider if Vivax is this bad and give away himself as mafia. ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/aziQknxwg50e4/200.gif) Yes tell me what you think. | ||
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On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote: NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary. I think this is town shockeyy guys. | ||
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Why? Because he's looking at the vote count and coming up with ideas about the scum team, which is exactly what he was doing near the end of day 1 as town in the oil futures game. | ||
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On June 04 2020 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel could essily be mafia too. I understand the case(s) on shockeyy i just am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, and because i have actual scumreads i am not willing to vote for him. I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone else. The only thing I'm thinking with trfel is that maybe he's just disengaged a bit since he put so much effort in last time and was really annoyed at getting mislynched. | ||
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On June 04 2020 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he townread me based on me posting "hi", "no" and saying why i joined this game. First time i asked him why he townreads me he answered "yes i think youre town" which is basically dodging the question, and the second time he said because of tone and inquisitiveness. I sure as hell dont believe you can read town!tone from two one liners and a comment about pre-game and there is 100% nothing inquisitive in those posts. So basically i am calling bs on that read. After that he scumread cake for reasons he should actually be townreading her for. Like Vivax said Cake as town sgould approach the read on vivax EXACTLY as cake is ACTUALLY approaching it at the time. After i question that he changes the story into that cake should be more suspicious of vivax because meta. But that's entirely bs because i checked all the games cake has played here and vivax and cake have both been town in the same game only once and Cake never calls vivax mafia in that game. For both of those things its also notable that i had to ask multiple times for answers before getting them and it feels like very mafia-esque, like hes just waiting for me to find something else to pursue (like i fucking did in the last game and mafia escaped the lynches because i couldnt hold on to my shit). Same thing also with the fact that when i clearly prove his statements wrong he isnt changing his mind, or trying to explain it better (in case he actually believes in what he says and/or if i am missing something). So yeah that's pretty much it. Do you think vivax would be more careful as mafia? I mean this is what they would call 'openwolfing' isn't it? That's what I thought copcake was getting at before but she doesn't seem to think so. | ||
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Feels bad. I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote: Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p Its more that I feel like maybe town has been herded to the two easy options. I'm just having doubts. I think this is a time to listen to my brain and not my feelings though. Vivax lynch is good, and like rayn says i'm talking myself out of it, probably because there's not a lot of new information in the thread. On June 04 2020 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand. Is this like a "why would he do that as mafia" thing? Because i have fucked up like five lynches last couple of games thinking that obvious mafia things arent mafia. And i am not going to do that again. You're probably right tbh. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Jock must of thought we were in the Politics thread lmao That's exactly what happened I've been posting in there alot recently and i have to edit my posts if i get too annoyed lol. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:42 Trfel wrote: Why are we lynching people who are town? Who should we lynch? | ||
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Reasons: The voting late on which looks like self preservation, the threat to switch to trfel which i think comes from a mafia place (ensuring 3 votes on trfel because i was getting cold feet about the lynch), the early townread on me followed by reassuring me into keeping my vote on vivax. It all seems very convenient. | ||
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I blame myself. | ||
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On June 04 2020 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain this to me as i am 5, because: - self preservation, even if it's that, doesnt make anyone anything because townies too probably think someone else is a better lynch than them,right? -threat to switch to trfel and her not switching only ever makes copcake mafia if trfel is mafia too So wtf jock???? I can explain my thinking yeah. Its all in my filter really i was just deciding whether to lynch vivax and a green flip would have implicated copcake or to just go for copcake. At the time when she was going to maybe switch to trfel, i was losing interest in the vivax lynch, and if i switched it would leave a bunch of players on two votes, including copcake. Her wanting to switch to trfel looked like self preserving at the expense of the lynch she wanted (she'd rather just lynch whoever than her her lynch target because as mafia survival is the only priority). It also kinda looked like she didn't care who got lynched. That's why in my filter there are these posts: (I was already thinking what shockeyy was thinking here) On June 04 2020 04:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I still like the vivax lynch. Copcake said she was deciding whether vivax would play like this as scum and i really want to know what she thinks. On June 04 2020 05:31 Jockmcplop wrote: So copcake you switching to trfel? (This was me being super sus of copcake) It just looked wrong to me. Waiting for Vivax to vote for her and then just going in on the vivax kill, the 'maybe i'll switch to trfel' when the vivax kill looked like it might not happen. Add to that: On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote: Nah, you can town read someone and that person be wrong. Nothing bad about it since you are studying Shockey's feelings. :p This, when i was already considering that i was maybe being pocketed by copcake, looked bad in that context. I was wrong, so sorry Copcake :/ | ||
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On June 04 2020 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why were you losing interest in Vivax lynch? I felt no-one was fighting against it, and i couldn't shake the 'too mafia to be mafia' feeling i was having. I was also worried that the last game where we were mafia together was coloring my opinion on this game unfairly. | ||
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On June 04 2020 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel was fighting against it? What was shockeyy supposed to do? He already had three scumreads which none of was vivax. Zey wasnt around(?) Jeekaka fell asleep. That's how it felt to me at the time. Its all in my filter from last night. | ||
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On June 04 2020 05:17 Jockmcplop wrote: Everyone except shockeyy is ok with vivax/trfel and shockeyy is my town read. Feels bad. I'm feeling maybe I've got day 1 very wrong. | ||
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On June 04 2020 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You realise that there is 2 mafia in this game? If vivax and trfel are mafia (which is something at least i find highly possible) then why should anyone else be wary of lynching into vivax/trfel from town pov?? You don't have to try and convince me i was wrong. Copcake flipped town. | ||
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On June 04 2020 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am kot trying to convince you of you being wrong. There is nothing scummy in being wrong in general because people are wrong all the time in this game. I am trying to figure out your motives because it doesnt add up to me. Which is why the last question. So your explanation is just that you fucked up? mmmm yeah. I fucked up. I have explained what I was thinking at the time and it makes sense. Its always the question on day 1. Do you vote for the people who are openly scummy or the people you think are trying to plan something? To me it looked like copcake was planning whereas both trfel and vivax were just being openly not very townie but without trying to do anything sneaky. | ||
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On June 04 2020 23:25 jeekaka wrote: Hmmm, I guess scum!Vivax would not have been so upset if scum!Jock was in his wagon for some wolf theatre. Obviously you've never been scum with vivax | ||
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On June 10 2020 07:54 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway, I can either host or play another game. Who's in? I'm definitely in. My appearance in this one was short and disastrous so i have some making up to do  | ||
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