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Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 13:56 GMT
#770
Hi

Im replacing coagulation
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 14:17 GMT
#772
On July 26 2019 22:28 Pandain wrote:
oops didn't even finish my second sentence. this is how busy i am.

I don't have a real read on anyone anymore especially since I haven't read anything since later half of day 1. I'm gonna filter dive tonight and try to force in a couple hours.

hi branch



You should start with my filter, you'll be done in no time
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 16:57 GMT
#802
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 17:04 GMT
#803
On July 27 2019 00:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Good morning

Why is it so hard to townread people this game.

I like hf and tube and koshi but I'd probably be ok killing everyone else.

I also townlean the new recruit for a bad reason so I'll just wait for them.

What makes you townread tubesock?

Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 18:11 GMT
#810
Just read MZs filter.
He's focused a lot on on the hydra and slam/koshi. His posts are the perfect blend of constructive and critizising. Very suspicious.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 21:11 GMT
#846
On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:
Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read.
Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point.

Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums?

COAG
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish.


Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you.

Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 22:49 GMT
#866
On July 27 2019 06:23 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 06:11 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:
Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read.
Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point.

Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums?

COAG
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish.


Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you.

Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious?


just wondering if you've played mafia before because if you're completely new it changes how i read you
if you're a smurf or something, no worries.


There's no recorded meta of my play. You will have to use reason and logic to figure my alignment
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 26 2019 22:55 GMT
#867
On July 27 2019 07:17 Tubesock wrote:
My question marks are NSH, HF, Eywa, Chezinu, Eversince. I should add Coag too.

Anyone want to talk about any of them? I leave in 30 minutes but can phone post a little later tonight and tomorrow morning before the lynch.

All of these i have not read. Except coagulation. He's not in this game anymore.

What do you think of the hydra?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 05:58 GMT
#903
On July 26 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL

Game is harder than it should be.


Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.

-wherebugsgo

This sounds like you were already anticipating a coag lynch. Which would make your life easier only if youre scum, and you already knew coag would flip town. Very suspicious.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 06:28 GMT
#904
On July 27 2019 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 07:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 06:23 Pandain wrote:
On July 27 2019 06:11 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:
Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read.
Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point.

Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums?

COAG
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish.


Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you.

Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious?


just wondering if you've played mafia before because if you're completely new it changes how i read you
if you're a smurf or something, no worries.


There's no recorded meta of my play. You will have to use reason and logic to figure my alignment

Have you read the whole game? If so, who is mafia? If not, why not?

I've read everything but the end of day 1. And a couple of filters so far.

I don't know who is mafia. I find koshis behaviour during the slam vs hf on pandain discussion very suspicious. From memory he seemed to fuel an already emotional discussion that was leading nowhere.

Theres one post by the hydra that i mentioned above that also makes me suspicious. The way the thought is phrased just seems like he knows too much about the setup
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 09:58 GMT
#921
On July 27 2019 16:59 Eversince wrote:
I also don't see how saying the 'game' is hard is anything more than NAI either. But I've liked Coag slot since he got replaced so far to

What he said was the game 'got harder' when coag was replaced and the slot went from inactive to active player. From a town perspective, one more player is one more lynch chance.

From a mafia perspective, one more player means one more chance got get caught.

It is because ofthis mind slip, readjusting scum strategy around another required mislynch, that I find NSHs play very suspicious.



The immediat willingness so switch vote from slam to koshi at an opportunistic moment makes me shift my assessment of the hydra even further towards scum.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 10:12 GMT
#924
On July 27 2019 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I am still ok with dieing.

I think HF could be mafia at this point.

Did nothing but focus on some dumb shit that would not be a townie priority.

So those 4 names I said. I am happy with them.

I didnt know eywa announced this afk stuff though. But still. Too long. Deserves to go down in list.

Maybe I should reread mz but Vivax told me he was town.


Hi koshi.
Lets talk about HF. What makes you scum read him? Im still undecided on his alignment
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 10:25 GMT
#934
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 10:29 GMT
#936
On July 27 2019 17:50 Eversince wrote:
I like it!

##vote: Koshi

Your sudden and unexplained koshi push baffles me. How do you arrive at a scum!koshi conclusion?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 11:08 GMT
#949
On July 27 2019 05:54 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.


What? Which pages?

Starts page 20. Koshi uses a scum!pandain to judge slam!town and goes on from there
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 11:56 GMT
#950
This is my reasoning for calling the Hydra scum.
At first they propose kilingl inactive players, but after being replacements happening, the Hydra shares their thoughts that the game is harder for them now
On July 27 2019 14:58 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL

Game is harder than it should be.


Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.

-wherebugsgo

This sounds like you were already anticipating a coag lynch. Which would make your life easier only if youre scum, and you already knew coag would flip town. Very suspicious.


From a town perspective, more players always is good. Mislynches matter less, and high activity means less room for scum to hide. Not to mention more eyes looking for the bad guys.

Meanwhile from a scum point of view, a player that dropped out got replaced was replaced, meaning one more set of vigilant eyes, as well as increased opposition to a potential mislynch.

Scum! NoSmurfHere obviously thinks along
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 12:02 GMT
#951
the second line of thought.

An attempt at avoiding the suspicions is made by deflecting and talking about votes and lynching, which were never in question, but voting behaviour was never in question here.
On July 27 2019 19:32 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 18:58 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 16:59 Eversince wrote:
I also don't see how saying the 'game' is hard is anything more than NAI either. But I've liked Coag slot since he got replaced so far to

What he said was the game 'got harder' when coag was replaced and the slot went from inactive to active player. From a town perspective, one more player is one more lynch chance.

From a mafia perspective, one more player means one more chance got get caught.

It is because ofthis mind slip, readjusting scum strategy around another required mislynch, that I find NSHs play very suspicious.



The immediat willingness so switch vote from slam to koshi at an opportunistic moment makes me shift my assessment of the hydra even further towards scum.


again, nope

1. "another" required mislynch -> if I were scum I wouldn't care, anyone in this game is lynchable. Number of mislynches to win doesn't change.

2. we never voted slam. Our vote was on FF, and as I mentioned earlier he was not gaining any traction. Try to keep up.

3. What opportunistic moment? Literally no one was talking about Koshi until I mentioned him. Why the hell would I bother shifting attention to Koshi as scum if slam is town? I'd just let slam die quietly instead of bothering to post anything at all.

Unless you're implying that we're scum with slam, which is laughable.

-wherebugsgo

Instead the Hydra decides to go aggresively after Koshi. Who was already accused earlier, with a willing second ready to form an early wagon in Eversince.

Keeping to the point here:

Hydra is scum for sharing their thoughts on adjusting game difficulty, feebly trying to explain this away, and then at an opportune moment, just after eversince being ready to accuse koshi, jumping in and being the first to lead said koshi wagon.

I am going to ##vote NoSmurfHere tonight for these reasons. And if you are town I suggst you do the same!
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 12:48 GMT
#953
Hydra, you are going after the lowest hanging fruit in the thread in koshi. He has been called suspicious by at least 5 people already.

Doing so only after throwing a bunch of names at eversince to see which sticks, ensuring their support for your wagon.

Inventing claims and reversing my words in a feeble attempt to use them against me.

The only thing twisting here is your tail weaseling out of factual accusation. This Hydra is scum.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 13:23 GMT
#960
On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.

I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.

-Jock


I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 13:23 GMT
#961
On July 27 2019 21:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Its not going after the lowest hanging fruit if its someone with zero votes on them when Slam, for example, has 4 votes on him.

There aren't many people playing who haven't been called suspicious a few times.

You could say the same thing if we went after:

Alakaslam
holyflare
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
MZ
Even counting yourself if you count all the people that called coag suspicious

saying 5 people called koshi suspicious in 48 pages of content is literally saying nothing at all.

Every response you post whataboutism and deflections. Every. Single. Response.
Could not be more guilty.

At this point you mifght aswell post a seal and close the door on your way out.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 14:10 GMT
#987
On July 27 2019 22:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.

I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.

-Jock


I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell

This is some terrible reasoning here dude.

You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him?

Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi.

There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi

Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam?

Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense.


Incorrect. As they are so fond of claiming, hydra voted first.
Also note how I multiple times noted koshi looks suspicious, while never actually calling him anything more.

All your reasoning is pants on head because you invented connections where none are. I am pushing my scumread, the hydra, because they react like scum.

You, MZ, are establishing consitional reads on others, which at this point is a waste of time.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 14:28 GMT
#992
On July 27 2019 22:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 22:47 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:38 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.

It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?

Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.

Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.


Here's where I am on Slam:

If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.

Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.

Either way voting for him at this point is bad.

Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.

-J

I absolutely hate his martyr and that's from someone who's done it before. Imo you martyr as town when there's like 6 hours left in the day and you have no hope of getting saved so you self vote to spawn discussion about the next day's vote. Slam on the other hand self voted with like 24 hours left and hardly a vote lead which to me says he's trying to appeal to emotion (and it seems to be working).

The case on Koshi is not bad though, I just feel like we're moving from a like 95% chance to a 75% chance at hitting scum.

I hope you are mafia.

Go read the end of the world mafia if you want to see what I'm talking about. I got lynched like D4 or something and just stopped fighting it in the last couple hours so we could move on and talk about other shit.

This preemptive 24 hours early martyr is just ridiculous. And yours is not any better by the way Mr. "I'm fine with Dying today." If you're town, start giving a fuck and play.

I gave enough fucks. I am ok with dieing because I can't cure retarded.

Let me get this straight Branch, you think this guy right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is scum. Getting bused by the hydra. Who is also scum. Which means you must think slam is scum, since the only person who a koshi bus would save is slam. Have I got all that right? Because that is the path that your logic is flowing down right now and it is pants on head retarded.


Missed this earlier.
Never accused koshi, never accused slam. Talking about the hydra, because the hydra is my scum read.

Your insistance on connecting players to each others at this point in time is premature. Seems to me you are trying to spread attention between many people at this time. Which is miguided and anti town.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 14:30 GMT
#995
On July 27 2019 23:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 23:10 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 27 2019 22:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.

I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.

-Jock


I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell

This is some terrible reasoning here dude.

You brought up koshi looking bad independent from the hydra and repeated it a couple of times. Eversince voted koshi and then the hydra did. The hydra then expanded on the koshi vote, which is a read you agree with, and now you're not going to vote Koshi because you've convinced yourself the hydra is scum. If that's the case then why keep ragging on koshi? If you think the hydra is falsely accusing Koshi then why keep shading him?

Unless you've somehow developed a scenario where the hydra is busing koshi, which doesn't make much sense unless you think slam is also scum and the scum team has decided to trade slam for koshi.

There is a disconnect here: either you think the hydra is scum which makes koshi town, and yet you continue to shade koshi

Or you think the hydra is scum, busing scum koshi to save scum slam?

Either way this is terrible fucking logic. Actually I'd like anyone who is scum reading the Hydra because of this koshi push who also thinks koshi is scum to read this because the logic makes literally zero sense.


Incorrect. As they are so fond of claiming, hydra voted first.
Also note how I multiple times noted koshi looks suspicious, while never actually calling him anything more.

All your reasoning is pants on head because you invented connections where none are. I am pushing my scumread, the hydra, because they react like scum.

You, MZ, are establishing consitional reads on others, which at this point is a waste of time.

The bolded part here is terrible. Are you afraid of giving reads? And you should read my post a little more closely because I don't think you are actually thinking through the implications of your own position.

But for the sake of argument, we can run through the logic again with no reference to Koshi's alignment.

Hydra scum, pushes koshi to save slam (slam most be scum)

That's what you're implying. There, I completely took out any reference to koshi's alignment. Hydra has zero reason to push koshi unless slam is scum. Slam was going to get lynched before everyone started unvoting. They have literally put themselves on the chopping block for a read. That's about as town as it gets. The only way this makes sense for them as scum is if they're trying to save slam (which probably means slam has a scum power role and that's all the more reason to kill him)

Think about the implications of your reads.


Youre making up connections between players, which is purely speculative. I urge you to focus your attention on your top read, and vote this one person
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 19:59 GMT
#1192
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 20:19 GMT
#1232
On July 28 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


Can you explain why you have expressed that you find Koshi suspicious and want to vote for the hydra but instead of making the wagon on Koshi basically the same size as the Chezinu one you joined BOTH your scum read and suspicious Koshi to make Chezinu more in the lead?

The hydra is my scum read. If you want to know why check my filter, it's the main thing there.

Koshis behaviour is suspicious because of poor reasoning and my perception of him sowing distrust in thread, and escalating emotionally. He flips around between sheeping slam and providing reads only after admitting he doesn't read the thread. This is suspicious but not lynch worthy.

I voted Chezinu mainly because he had the highest votecount when I managed to get to a computer, and had not finished catching up on the thread prior to deadline.

Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 20:20 GMT
#1233
On July 28 2019 05:10 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Wait branch has never played with chezinu before right?

I have
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 20:31 GMT
#1237
On July 28 2019 05:24 Eversince wrote:
Real first game this then?
I thought it was said earlier you just obs. Hmm..

First game on forums. Therefore no recorded meta

Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 27 2019 20:34 GMT
#1240
On July 28 2019 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 05:19 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 28 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


Can you explain why you have expressed that you find Koshi suspicious and want to vote for the hydra but instead of making the wagon on Koshi basically the same size as the Chezinu one you joined BOTH your scum read and suspicious Koshi to make Chezinu more in the lead?

The hydra is my scum read. If you want to know why check my filter, it's the main thing there.

Koshis behaviour is suspicious because of poor reasoning and my perception of him sowing distrust in thread, and escalating emotionally. He flips around between sheeping slam and providing reads only after admitting he doesn't read the thread. This is suspicious but not lynch worthy.

I voted Chezinu mainly because he had the highest votecount when I managed to get to a computer, and had not finished catching up on the thread prior to deadline.



You misunderstand, I KNOW the hydra is your scum read and I KNOW that you find Koshi suspicious.

I'm asking why you look at a vote count, see the highest wagon is Chezinu that contains your scum read (the hydra) and Koshi (who you find suspicious) and instead of voting the second highest wagon, the guy you think is suspicious (Koshi) you simply vote the highest wagon that contains both your scum read, the hydra, and your suspicious player KoshI???


I had to make a quick decision and never considered any of these things minutes before deadline.
Branch.AUT
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July 27 2019 20:36 GMT
#1241
On July 28 2019 05:27 Eversince wrote:
More so because someone else said they'd move over to Koshi if he got 1 more vote too. Changing lynch from Chez->Koshi

I didn't know this as I wasn't caught up on thread at the time.
Branch.AUT
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July 28 2019 13:36 GMT
#1256
On July 28 2019 04:59 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Cutting it very close to deadline here.
I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town


???

With 0 information available on chezinu, and 11 players out of which 3 are mafia, a blind lynch into inactive has an 8/11 chance of being a town lynch.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 28 2019 13:40 GMT
#1257
On July 28 2019 05:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
so coag claimed scum post 1 as scum and branch is a super tryhard or what are we thinking here

I don't know what you mean by tryhard. I think pushing my main scumread for lynching is baseline town play.

On July 28 2019 06:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE HYDRA IS JUST SCUM EH


I have gathered a few thoughts on this topic in my filter, feel free to browse.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 13:45 GMT
#1306
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 29 2019 13:47 GMT
#1307
Holyflare what HAVE you learned from lynching chez? I simply dont understand.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 13:54 GMT
#1309
On July 29 2019 10:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 02:43 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Raynpelikoneet (6): Eywa, Holyflare, Koshi, Pandain, Meapak_Ziphh, NoSmurfHere
NoSmurfHere (4): Tubesock, FecalFeast, Raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (2): Eywa, FecalFeast, Coagulation
Coagulation (0): Holyflare, Vivax
Holyflare (0): Raynpelikoneet, Meapak_Ziphh

Not Voting (2): Chezinu, Revelator

Raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Wednesday, Jul 24 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


FF Branch.AUT don’t look good by VA.

NSH looks worse.


Youre right my voting looks bad. I was extremely rushed because i tried reading several hours of ganeplay in under 10 minutes.
At the time i decised to give up, I voted the highest votecount (chez) because in my mind it would make it more difficult for scum to last minute jump the vote ona different target.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 14:21 GMT
#1332
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 14:57 GMT
#1340
On July 29 2019 23:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me


Number of posts is important because in the post I quoted you say one situation is that I'm pushing an inactive veteran which they most certainly are not?

I don't really believe they're mafia after Jock is posting this qt summary.

I do expect him to finish though.


WBG, the veteran head announced he would be travelling and inactive. Rephrasing inactive to afk would be correct.

Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 15:04 GMT
#1341
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 15:28 GMT
#1346
On July 30 2019 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
I really can't bring myself to read anyone lol

I recommend MZ his filter is really short
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 15:35 GMT
#1347
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 18:49 GMT
#1398
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.

Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 18:53 GMT
#1404
On July 30 2019 03:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.

See I am pretty sure Eywa has something to offer

Your suspicion of me for a horrendous vote is warranted. As mentioned earlier this stems from me voting very rushed because I was short on time before deadline.

If you read my filter you will realize that my entire game has been applying logic to finding scum.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 29 2019 19:16 GMT
#1412
Just finished Ewyas filter.
Not impressive. Basically calling people scum without reasons or arguments. Lots of distractions and pointless posts pretending to be activity.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 19:32 GMT
#1418
On July 30 2019 04:23 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 04:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Just finished Ewyas filter.
Not impressive. Basically calling people scum without reasons or arguments. Lots of distractions and pointless posts pretending to be activity.

Cases are scummy.

What do you think of Meapak_Ziph this game?
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 19:35 GMT
#1421
On July 30 2019 04:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 04:29 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Just finished Ewyas filter.
Not impressive. Basically calling people scum without reasons or arguments. Lots of distractions and pointless posts pretending to be activity.

Cases are scummy.

I have no cases but I'm scummy apparently

You're either scum or some severe anti-town. It's always hard to tell.

I'd also like to point out the pre-insult for when I flip town so eywa can call me bad lol

Whats your opinion on pushing an Ewya lynch?
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 19:49 GMT
#1428
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 19:54 GMT
#1430
On July 30 2019 04:34 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 04:32 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 04:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Just finished Ewyas filter.
Not impressive. Basically calling people scum without reasons or arguments. Lots of distractions and pointless posts pretending to be activity.

Cases are scummy.

What do you think of Meapak_Ziph this game?

Did you miss any of the posts where I said he's mafia?

You call a lot of people mafia without any context or arguments
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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July 29 2019 20:02 GMT
#1431
On July 30 2019 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.

Would you say that Alakaslam seems like he's having fun?

Haven't read the entirety of the gloriousness that is his filter. He has way to many posts unrelated to the game for my taste. Probably enjoying his life.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 20:14 GMT
#1437
On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch who's your top scum read right now?

-J

I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.

Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread.
Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.

Who are yours?
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 20:21 GMT
#1442
On July 30 2019 05:13 Holyflare wrote:
5) Fecalfeast
6) Eywa
7) Pandain
8) Coagulation Replaced by Branch.AUT Day 2.
11) Koshi

I'm narrowing you guys down.

Looking forward to your Koshi evaluation
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 20:24 GMT
#1443
On July 30 2019 05:18 Holyflare wrote:
Branch can you make me a small list of players and write a line about each one summarising what you think their alignment is and why?

This might take a few minutes in between work
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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July 29 2019 20:46 GMT
#1450
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 20:53 GMT
#1451
On July 30 2019 05:39 Holyflare wrote:
Very interested in the Branch read list. The entire filter feels like a robot is playing the game instead and there's some summaries that don't align with the voracity of other pushes he's been doing.

I was convinced the hydra is scum. So I pushed hard.
On others I was unsure. So I didn't push hard.
Seems logical to me.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 21:07 GMT
#1453
On July 30 2019 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that.


Can you explain to me how you know this? I don't think I've ever seen you obs a game I'm in or anything.

You have posted this at least twice. Once in obsqt after you died. And another time in a thread post game.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 21:14 GMT
#1455
On July 30 2019 05:18 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 05:14 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch who's your top scum read right now?

-J

I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.

Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread.
Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.

Who are yours?


Right now koshi
Then FF
and one more from you/slam (I think bugs thought slam was mafia before today)/pandain/eywa

I'm starting to come around to hf a little more. I was very suspicious earlier. His latest post encourages me though.

-J


Whats your reason to scumread pandain?
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 21:20 GMT
#1457
On July 30 2019 05:58 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town


I think the latter part of this is a great point

you've been scum readin koshi for a while now, do you still? Can you explain why you didnt go after him harder day 2?
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 21:47 GMT
#1461
On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?

I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too.

FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious

Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote.

Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.
Branch.AUT
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July 29 2019 22:29 GMT
#1466
On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?

I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too.

FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious

Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote.

Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.


But why does what I say about the hydra matter when:

You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally.

You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about.

You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it?

It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone?

We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 08:44 GMT
#1519
On July 30 2019 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today:

It's interesting to me how you somehow arrive at the conclusion that literally writing posts like "x is scum" makes someone more like to town, than posting reads and cooperating.

Let me adress your read on me now:
You say you have a problem with me claiming reason and logic, later call me robotic, don't you know that following logic is exactly what robots do? Why is it unnatural to appear robotic when playing logically?
What you call a facade is merely how I approach complex problems. Divide them into parts, and solve each indivdually.
You then immediately go back on a whole paragraph of what you just wrote, already undermining your argument yourself.

The part about copying one of you posts I simply don't understand. Can you please point out to me the similarity in these two posts you quoted posts?

You then somehow link me saying that voting ones scum-read is important (which I agree with), with something about being cautious about HF. These statements are entirely unconnected. For someone claiming to "logically deduce", you know precious little about the process.


And the last part of you first post is one half of a conversation I had with Holyflare, who asked me to provide a list of people in the game and my current opinion on them. Which in an attempt to cooperate with HF, I provided. This is me being consctructive. No clue how you arrive at this being scummy after claiming to have read said interaction 10 times. Leaving out the important second half of said conversation seems like youre twisting facts in order to have them fit your already reached conclusion. This is called cognitive

You are correct that none of these reads claism responsibility, because the only read I was certain of, and therefore would take resposibility for, was the Hydra read which has since been refuted.

Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 09:02 GMT
#1520
On July 30 2019 16:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 07:29 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?

I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too.

FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious

Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote.

Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt.


But why does what I say about the hydra matter when:

You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally.

You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about.

You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it?

It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone?

We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason.


Please respond to this when you come back.


I decided to townread you because I give you the best chances of entangling this mess, and solving this game for town, and by extension for me, a vanilla townie. While I still could be wrong, this gives me the best shot at victory from my current information.

Giving you towncred means accepting your opinion on the hydra, which has since been mirrored by others. Posting the qt, even though it didn't convince me initially, has confirmed them as town to many. And I can admit when I was wrong.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 09:07 GMT
#1521
On July 30 2019 10:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 30 2019 09:38 Eywa- wrote:
Soo... Anyone seeing this FF and MZ scum theater unfolding?

Jesus christ dude get off my nuts and scumhunt.

Frankly I feel like M_Z is shooting really straight. I’m not even worried about being his alternate as I’m pretty sure he is right.

This seems like a very opportunistic move. It reads to me as if Slam was prepared to jump on anyone to save himself. Contradicting his earlier tendency to martyr himself.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 09:15 GMT
#1522
On July 30 2019 09:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys I've read the last 25 pages like 10 times over the last couple of hours and I'm actually feeling really confident about where we're at right now. I feel very comfortable with a Koshi lynch with Branch or FF on deck after that. Slam is my outlier candidate if one of Branch or FF is somehow not scum. I'll be around for a little longer tonight to answer questions if folks have got some but unfortunately I fly tomorrow so I won't be back until much later in the day.

I'm curious at how you interprete my interaction with HF earlier as anything other than constructive. I suspect that you went into this read and argument with a conclusion in mind (Branch!Scum) and now are reading thread and forging your narrative to fit this preconceived conclusion.

It's not only incorrect, it is also poorly argued and cobbled together. I will reevaluate my read on you in accordance.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 09:21 GMT
#1523
On July 24 2019 06:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hi I'm back, I wanna lynch Coag because I fucking hate stupid fucking scum claims.

Give me like 20 minutes to catch up and digest.

That didn't take long to find. Does this still affect your read on me?
It seems to me that this is the source of your cognitive bias against me. Please reevalute with this in mind.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 10:01 GMT
#1538
On July 30 2019 18:32 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 18:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 24 2019 06:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hi I'm back, I wanna lynch Coag because I fucking hate stupid fucking scum claims.

Give me like 20 minutes to catch up and digest.

That didn't take long to find. Does this still affect your read on me?
It seems to me that this is the source of your cognitive bias against me. Please reevalute with this in mind.


I don't think it looks like cognitive bias.

People were generally willing to townread you when you first subbed in to the thread, but the way you have posted has led to you being one of the main scum candidates.

You aren't doing town things right now, your end of day was panicky like you wanted to look like you were voting in the 'right' place and you took ages to update how you were thinking about the game when things changed, as if you were waiting for town opinion to shift before you would shift your own opinion.

You pushed us hard when you first came in to the thread and that's why people were null-townish on you. Who are you going to push now? How are you going to figure the game out? It looks like you're just coasting to the next lynch but its urgent that town figures the game out quickly and doesn't mislynch any more.
-J

You are correct about the end of day, and what you say is exactly what happened. That was a mistake on my part, that admitted to and adressed previously. I'm happy to tell you again how I came how a few minutes before deadline and hadn't read a couple hours before that so I threw my vote on the largest pile. Scummy or not, it's me being a newb more than anything. Theres nothing else I can do about it so I am not going to worry anymore.

My approach right now is to reason with people who scum read me, simply because I know theyre wrong, and their attention should be turned somewhere there is scum to find. This will be my last post defending what I have done, since my ultimate defense, flipping town, speaks for itself.

I am thinking about lynching Koshi or Fecalfeast today. Discussion has been mostly on them and having less scum in the game is a good thing.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 13:13 GMT
#1551
On July 30 2019 21:22 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 21:19 Pandain wrote:
FF case*

Cases are scummy

Your refusal to post any form of analysis or contribution differing from baseless scum accusations is the scummiest part of this thread right now. If youre town youre doing exactly zero things to prove it or help our cause.


I think it's worthwile lynching you this day. You have zero contribution and your filter reads worse than a 2012 LR thread. Since all you do is spread uncertainty and distrust this game will be clearer after youve gone.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 13:19 GMT
#1552
I'm going to

Vote: Eywa-

because of their lack of contribution on very bad posting. They were instrumental in voting off rayn on day one. Their only contribution to finding scum is calling everybody scum and useless one line posts.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 13:33 GMT
#1553
On July 30 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:
Why not mz?

Why not eywa? Their posting is thrash
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 13:42 GMT
#1558
On July 30 2019 22:38 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, FF is scum, you think he cases me on day 1, pushes me all of day 2 and eventually cases me on Day 3 saying he was OK with my day 1, but now he's not? I mean... It's just inventing for the sake of creating a read.

No read. Just your bad posting that is counterproductive. You need to go.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 13:44 GMT
#1559
On July 30 2019 22:36 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 22:19 Branch.AUT wrote:
I'm going to

Vote: Eywa-

because of their lack of contribution on very bad posting. They were instrumental in voting off rayn on day one. Their only contribution to finding scum is calling everybody scum and useless one line posts.

So I'm basically confirmed town now. LOL

Selfconfirming Town. Nothing wrong with that. Move on, lynch Eywa.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 13:51 GMT
#1562
On July 30 2019 22:45 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 22:42 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 22:38 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, FF is scum, you think he cases me on day 1, pushes me all of day 2 and eventually cases me on Day 3 saying he was OK with my day 1, but now he's not? I mean... It's just inventing for the sake of creating a read.

No read. Just your bad posting that is counterproductive. You need to go.

Strong defence. I wonder how I'm going to counter that.

No need to bother with defense. Even a quick skimp of your filter reveals that nothing you do leads anywhere. Youre hiding behind fake activity with nothing more than unsubstantial accusations wherever thrad sentiment points towards.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 14:18 GMT
#1571
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 14:24 GMT
#1576
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 14:38 GMT
#1582
On July 30 2019 23:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:14 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, in a game that's this hard to read and this tight, I think it's important to not give passes for anything. Like, we're all pretty much scum reading Branch due to his terrible entrance, but if that was day 1, I bet you all would have forgotten about it. He can't play the card of "Well, everything has been kosher since then".


That’s not why I’m scumreading branch. I’m scumreading branch because he has had a long time to make sense and still doesn’t. All of his pushes are just reasons pulled from thin air and his logic makes no sense (+ he’s ultra-defensive of his pushes right up until he’s not). It’s like he’s making up reads. I actually gave him a pass all of yesterday because he was a replacement.

As for why I don’t scumread MZ, I never saw his entrance on day 1 as bad and I still don’t see anything wrong with his posts. In particular I have no idea how you can think branch and MZ are scum together unless MZ is next-level bussing because MZ was basically the only player who straight up called out branch on his bs yesterday. He tore apart his logic, in a situation where he could have just sat back and watched Chezinu get lynched.

-wherebugsgo

Please take a step back and consider my point on Eywa.
In an atmosphere where the game gets easier if people contribute, hiding behind one liners is bad play.
If I'm wrong, tell me why and I might reconsider.

Otherwise vote Eywa with me to make them play the game or get lynched.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 14:56 GMT
#1586
On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.


Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?

No not on purpose.
Have you read Eywas filter, you never responded to my inquiry earlier.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 15:10 GMT
#1590
On July 30 2019 23:58 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:46 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:14 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, in a game that's this hard to read and this tight, I think it's important to not give passes for anything. Like, we're all pretty much scum reading Branch due to his terrible entrance, but if that was day 1, I bet you all would have forgotten about it. He can't play the card of "Well, everything has been kosher since then".


That’s not why I’m scumreading branch. I’m scumreading branch because he has had a long time to make sense and still doesn’t. All of his pushes are just reasons pulled from thin air and his logic makes no sense (+ he’s ultra-defensive of his pushes right up until he’s not). It’s like he’s making up reads. I actually gave him a pass all of yesterday because he was a replacement.

As for why I don’t scumread MZ, I never saw his entrance on day 1 as bad and I still don’t see anything wrong with his posts. In particular I have no idea how you can think branch and MZ are scum together unless MZ is next-level bussing because MZ was basically the only player who straight up called out branch on his bs yesterday. He tore apart his logic, in a situation where he could have just sat back and watched Chezinu get lynched.

-wherebugsgo


Where does this happen?


Read MZ’s posts for once and it’ll be obvious to you. Not doing your legwork for you, I’ve already read the game

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:14 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, in a game that's this hard to read and this tight, I think it's important to not give passes for anything. Like, we're all pretty much scum reading Branch due to his terrible entrance, but if that was day 1, I bet you all would have forgotten about it. He can't play the card of "Well, everything has been kosher since then".


That’s not why I’m scumreading branch. I’m scumreading branch because he has had a long time to make sense and still doesn’t. All of his pushes are just reasons pulled from thin air and his logic makes no sense (+ he’s ultra-defensive of his pushes right up until he’s not). It’s like he’s making up reads. I actually gave him a pass all of yesterday because he was a replacement.

As for why I don’t scumread MZ, I never saw his entrance on day 1 as bad and I still don’t see anything wrong with his posts. In particular I have no idea how you can think branch and MZ are scum together unless MZ is next-level bussing because MZ was basically the only player who straight up called out branch on his bs yesterday. He tore apart his logic, in a situation where he could have just sat back and watched Chezinu get lynched.

-wherebugsgo

Please take a step back and consider my point on Eywa.
In an atmosphere where the game gets easier if people contribute, hiding behind one liners is bad play.
If I'm wrong, tell me why and I might reconsider.

Otherwise vote Eywa with me to make them play the game or get lynched.


If in the off-chance you’re still misguided town here: Eywa is not the best lynch. Period. Posting one liners is not a scum tell; townies do this all the time.

Even if that were the case, if you want to kill people for one liners, by that same logic why aren’t you voting or suspecting FF?

Lastly I don’t understand why you would be voting to “make people play” at this stage of the game rather than killing the people most likely to be scum. According to you earlier, Koshi is suspicious but now that he’s on the chopping block you’re urging us to consider someone else entirely. To top it all off, you completely dropped your attack on us when it was clear no one was biting. Strange.

-wherebugsgo

FF has been scum read so many times that piling more reads onto him serves no purpose. Neither does sitting here doing nothing. Pushing the next weakest read for information is the most useful thing to do here.

You have been fixated on Koshi for a very long time now, and never tire to mention me calling him suspicious.
Enlighten me, what is it that makes you tunnel him so hard?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 17:34 GMT
#1612
On July 30 2019 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 23:24 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:21 Eywa- wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:18 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 30 2019 23:17 Eywa- wrote:
Slam, HF and nosmurfhere are always town, so we should be able to figure this out, we just need 2 more solid reads.

We should start by eliminated the most obtuse and hard to read person from this game.
Lynch Eywa

You're right, we shouldn't eliminate our scum reads, nor should we try to expand the town circle for a hard POE, we should fucking wing it by lynching someone we don't understand.

You ARE a scum read. Eliminating you MAKES process of eliminiation easier. I will keep pushing you till you get lynched or start posting meaningful contribution.
Lynch Eywa, lynch scum.


Isn't it very convenient you push koshi as suspicious but when his wagon comes up you decide to take a stance on eywa? Have you read any of the past games he's in and compared it to this one?

Other than lynch parity cop day 2, you haven't done a lot yourself. Where's the activity?
Lynch Eywa, make the last day easier for everyone
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 17:52 GMT
#1617
I haven't read any of Eywas games. I don't see how those are relevant to this situation? Do you care who gets lynched between Eywa and Koshi?
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:01 GMT
#1622
On July 31 2019 02:54 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 02:52 Branch.AUT wrote:
I haven't read any of Eywas games. I don't see how those are relevant to this situation? Do you care who gets lynched between Eywa and Koshi?

Why are you insistent on it being me or Koshi? I think we should be throwing the counter wagon onto FF.

Interesting propoisition. Right now the leading Lynches are Koshi and Eywa, which is what I am focusing on until persuaded otherwise
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:05 GMT
#1627
On July 31 2019 02:59 Eywa- wrote:
I mean, FF is scum, I don't know how no one else can see it.

Koshi and FF are basically the same. Long Filter and unpopular. Why are you trying to make a choice between these two happen? Do you hope that people will be split between two of the same choices? That is what Scum would want because then they can just sway the lynch easily.
So I'm comfortable where I am just now. Giving a choice between no filter at all, and way too much. Seems more meaningful.

So I'm lynching Eywa. How bout you?
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 18:07 GMT
#1629
On July 31 2019 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Ah damn this actually is mafia hf.
Lol

Do you think Mafe HF town confirms someone else?
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:09 GMT
#1632
On July 31 2019 03:07 Eversince wrote:
@ Jock

Between Koshi and FF. I'm still deciding.

Koshi is my easy choice. I could vote for FF too though. His play today when I tried to interact with him especially made me really go from waffle to a 'why the hell would town play this way?' So bleh, took me long enough, he's got a good chance of flipping mafia to imo.

Do you actually have a reason to vote Koshi apart from I've wanted to, since he went starry eyed for Slam?
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:13 GMT
#1640
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:16 GMT
#1643
On July 31 2019 03:13 Eversince wrote:
Agree Eywa push is trash. Happens that all my scum reads are on it is enough reason for me to never vote there :p!

So you think scum at this phase of the game, would all pile onto a single wagon with nobody else?
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:21 GMT
#1648
On July 31 2019 03:18 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Actually we learn a ton if the lynch is between Koshi and FF. They have tons of interactions with other players and FF in particular (IIRC) is a defender of Koshi.

Making people pick between those two is way better than having them pick between either of them and Eywa, especially when the only people who seem to agree on Eywa are the ones voting him

Presumably they either think the other is town or scum bussing here, and given that almost no one outside you 3 thinks Eywa is scum, it’s much better to have people split between the two players that are actually being called scum.

-wherebugsgo


Making FF a lynch target basically lets Mafia pick whoever they want. Its rather unlikely that we have 3 scum up for lynch. Therefore I wouldn't push FF In this situation. Especially considering that their volume of post and current standing in the thread are quite similar. Do you know what I mean?
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 18:23 GMT
#1650
On July 31 2019 03:18 Eversince wrote:
And I'm saying Eywa played this same way as town so I see it as more NAI. I won't support people being a pain but being a pain doesn't make you mafia by itself. If I'd never seen Eywa play before I might be swayed here..

I have never seen her play before, so forgive me if I'm not convinced. The way I see it rolling scum is an excellent occasion to use your established meta to backstab everyone.
Branch.AUT
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July 30 2019 18:24 GMT
#1651
On July 31 2019 03:23 Eversince wrote:
You're giving Koshi/FF pass based on volume of post then?

No neither gets a pass. I think we get more info from lynching Koshi vs Eywa instead of FF
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July 30 2019 18:26 GMT
#1654
On July 31 2019 03:24 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:18 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Actually we learn a ton if the lynch is between Koshi and FF. They have tons of interactions with other players and FF in particular (IIRC) is a defender of Koshi.

Making people pick between those two is way better than having them pick between either of them and Eywa, especially when the only people who seem to agree on Eywa are the ones voting him

Presumably they either think the other is town or scum bussing here, and given that almost no one outside you 3 thinks Eywa is scum, it’s much better to have people split between the two players that are actually being called scum.

-wherebugsgo


Making FF a lynch target basically lets Mafia pick whoever they want. Its rather unlikely that we have 3 scum up for lynch. Therefore I wouldn't push FF In this situation. Especially considering that their volume of post and current standing in the thread are quite similar. Do you know what I mean?


I’m telling you that we 100% will not lynch Eywa today, not with TWO SCUM CANDIDATES VOTING HIM.

If you vote anyone other than FF or Koshi today I will assume you are scum. Between me and Jock you have more hope of convincing me that you are town and right now you’re not doing a very good job at that.

-wherebugsgo

I don't need to convince YOU of anything because YOU don't vote
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:27 GMT
#1656
On July 31 2019 03:24 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:18 Eversince wrote:
And I'm saying Eywa played this same way as town so I see it as more NAI. I won't support people being a pain but being a pain doesn't make you mafia by itself. If I'd never seen Eywa play before I might be swayed here..

I have never seen her play before, so forgive me if I'm not convinced. The way I see it rolling scum is an excellent occasion to use your established meta to backstab everyone.


Then you policy lynch Eywa every game?? Your not lynching Eywa because they are mafia then it's because you don't like how he plays?

In this game here, everybody has to choose. Right now we have Koshi (cod) Fecalfeast (salmon) and Eywa (Pork). If you make people choose between salmon and cod, everybody gets fish. Make them chose Cod or Pork, and we might find out whos fishy, and who likes meat :D
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:38 GMT
#1666
On July 31 2019 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Again, if you cannot be bothered to compare the remarkably similar filters of Eywa this game to last game (where he was town) why would we believe he's mafia for doing the same thing this game?

That seems like an uncredibly naive way to think about it.
The first time Eywa rolls scum and keeps playing the same, everybody gives them a free pass. Might be even now. Which is why I'm voting Eywa.

That sounds like a terrible risk to ignore.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:40 GMT
#1668
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please?
Someone determined that it's not mylo right


Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?

You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af

It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone

-wherebugsgo

Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 18:51 GMT
#1678
On July 31 2019 03:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:13 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:10 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch

Did you miss the multiple times I've listed why I m!Koshi? Miss the whole end of D2 where Pandain/myself pushed for a switch to Koshi over Chezinu? Or are you just trying to cast shadows on me?

I am asking you to reconsider your vote and go for Eywa, who has posted nothing but offhand accusations and useless comments.

If the lynch is between FF and Koshi, theres nothing to be learned. Both have posted too much, and posted too much nonsense.

Eywa postet nothing of substance. There is a huge contrast between either Koshi/FF and Eywa. Making the choice more meaningful for everyone.


Again, if you cannot be bothered to compare the remarkably similar filters of Eywa this game to last game (where he was town) why would we believe he's mafia for doing the same thing this game?

That seems like an uncredibly naive way to think about it.
The first time Eywa rolls scum and keeps playing the same, everybody gives them a free pass. Might be even now. Which is why I'm voting Eywa.

That sounds like a terrible risk to ignore.


No, it doesn't. Nobody plays the same in their first scum game. That doesn't answer my point either, why can't you simply go check? If your whole reason is that he plays badly then that's not a very concrete reason and nobody will follow you on it since you can't be bothered to prove why it's a mafia strategy. To me, he has a read on FF that FF hasn't countered amd nobody has really talked about while you dance around and attack his play style and koshi says some babbling nonsense and afks again.

If this is actually a playstyle, as you claim, it is incredibly easy to fake. Eywa also claims to be from a very successful scum hunting site, which makes it even more likely that this person is good at hiding alignment behind the useless lurking playstyle. Meta defense and last game don't matter when the playstyle is this easiliy fabricated.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:21 GMT
#1693
On July 31 2019 04:18 NoSmurfHere wrote:
It would have been the exact same if one of us posted a spreadsheet with version history. It’s actually easier to fake a paraphrase than it is to fake a spreadsheet of reads.

I think you’re just scum who is annoyed.

-wherebugsgo

I think you havent answered my question. Please take a look at it again
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:42 GMT
#1723
On July 31 2019 04:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.

Why?


That’s literally been the theme of this game.

I’m tired of explaining why we want to kill Koshi. You’re not reading so I see no reason why we need to explain things again. You weren’t reading when I was telling you why I think Koshi was a better kill than Chezinu so you getting worked up now is starting to rub me the wrong way

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 03:40 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please?
Someone determined that it's not mylo right


Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?

You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af

It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone

-wherebugsgo

Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?


If you meant this, branch, then I think you aren’t reading properly. I indeed have thought HF was scum at various points in this game and honestly even now his behavior is strange enough that he might be scum here.

However he simply is not the best lynch. There are enough reasons to call him town and not enough to call FF/Koshi town that it makes no sense to discuss him now, 1 hour before lynch, when we are not going to lynch him.

It bothers me that we have 30 minutes to go to deadline and you are trying to distract from the lynch at hand. Why is it important to discuss, at this very moment, my opinion on HF? Are we killing HF? No? Then why??

And this is coming from someone who called us out on supposed whataboutism earlier in the game. You must be scum here.

-wherebugsgo

You've called me scum at every point in this game, no matter what I did, so I no longer care about your opinion. Green flip, best defense.

If the Koshi lynch was as certain as you want it to be, we wouldn't be havin this conversation. Your reasons for voting Koshi are weak as garbage. And the only reason Koshi has so many Votes, is because your Hydra is supposedly confirmed town.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:47 GMT
#1738
Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:50 GMT
#1747
On July 31 2019 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:42 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 04:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.

Why?


That’s literally been the theme of this game.

I’m tired of explaining why we want to kill Koshi. You’re not reading so I see no reason why we need to explain things again. You weren’t reading when I was telling you why I think Koshi was a better kill than Chezinu so you getting worked up now is starting to rub me the wrong way

On July 31 2019 03:40 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please?
Someone determined that it's not mylo right


Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?

You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af

It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone

-wherebugsgo

Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?


If you meant this, branch, then I think you aren’t reading properly. I indeed have thought HF was scum at various points in this game and honestly even now his behavior is strange enough that he might be scum here.

However he simply is not the best lynch. There are enough reasons to call him town and not enough to call FF/Koshi town that it makes no sense to discuss him now, 1 hour before lynch, when we are not going to lynch him.

It bothers me that we have 30 minutes to go to deadline and you are trying to distract from the lynch at hand. Why is it important to discuss, at this very moment, my opinion on HF? Are we killing HF? No? Then why??

And this is coming from someone who called us out on supposed whataboutism earlier in the game. You must be scum here.

-wherebugsgo

You've called me scum at every point in this game, no matter what I did, so I no longer care about your opinion. Green flip, best defense.

If the Koshi lynch was as certain as you want it to be, we wouldn't be havin this conversation. Your reasons for voting Koshi are weak as garbage. And the only reason Koshi has so many Votes, is because your Hydra is supposedly confirmed town.

So you think it is Eywa, who and who?

Just pushed Eywa to get reaction. Only thing I got was Koshi and FF flopping onto it. Don't like the filter. If Scum then with HF
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:56 GMT
#1765
On July 31 2019 04:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Eywa is dude

Eywa was at wedding

scum goes to wedding. Watch the Godfather with Marlon Brando
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:57 GMT
#1774
On July 31 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again


THE ONLY REASON YOU THINK THE HYDRA IS TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU ARBITRARILY CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN LOL.

Beind town, don't mean knowing all alignments. That is called being scum.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:59 GMT
#1783
Incredibly Green. Read my filter
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 19:59 GMT
#1787
On July 31 2019 04:59 Koshi wrote:
VOTE KOSHI

You know its not class president, right?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
July 30 2019 20:41 GMT
#1809
On July 31 2019 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2019 04:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
On July 31 2019 04:47 Branch.AUT wrote:
Since we're consolidating Im putting my vote on koshi. Eywa and HF too suspicious to vote with. Hydra youre on the wrong track yet again


THE ONLY REASON YOU THINK THE HYDRA IS TOWN IS BECAUSE YOU ARBITRARILY CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN LOL.

Beind town, don't mean knowing all alignments. That is called being scum.


This doesn't mean anything. This is literally a sentence that doesn't address a single thing I wrote.

The ONLY reason you disregarded your massive scum read on the hydra is because you arbitrarily decided that I'd untangle the mess of the game. That is quite literally what you said, since without that your words were "the qt means nothing". Now you address the hydra like a town read but me like a scum read when I don't think there's anything in between that you've even scum read me for.

Now, when everyone decides to consolidate onto ff you arbitrarily choose the lowest wagon this time (which isn't even consolidating!) after you have expressed your dislike for joining that wagon over and over again all day (I'm pretty sure that is correct).

You are saying you play with logic but throw all logic out the window.

This is a little logic puzzle for you. What alignment is this player?

One liners, little scum reads. Town this game.

One liners, little scum reads. Town this game.

One liners, little scum reads. What alignment is this?

You've arbitrarily decided this one game Eywa could be mafia despite the fact meta states otherwise for absolutely no reason and choose to ignore anything concrete to the contrary. If someone can do these things as town how do they suddenly become your BIGGEST mafia read in the game for doing the exact same things? It doesn't make a single bit of sense.

You avoid everything, you pick and choose arguments and stick to them until you decide to flit to another argument and then you conveniently end up on wagons to blend when push comes to shove. If you simply stuck with eywa it would have been you, koshi, ff and maybe slam could have switched and you got your lynch. You play so meekly while saying your read is strong.

Your frustration is entirely understandable at this point in time. Especially considering how you missed three in a row now.

Yet you express this frustration at me. Where it is entirely misplaced. I didn't make you lynch chezinu. Neither have I voted for fecalfeast. Just nk me if i'm this much of a bother to you. Or are you actually mad at me for not voring town?

I know what I'll be doing come day 5. And MAYBE some of my fellow town players will be attentive enough to listen. Cause CLEARLY your approach has failed at this point
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 06:22 GMT
#1871
On August 01 2019 10:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man I don't fucking know, Branch easily looks the worst from the FF lynch but I don't wanna just let koshi off the hook. I'm gonna go ahead and accept the omgus accusations and say eywa is the 3rd scum bc of the FF lynch as well.

I'll post more tomorrow morning, I finally have a night flight so I should be around for some of irl day tomorrow. The martyring and giving up from so many players just makes things so unfun to play.

Explain how I come out looking worse, NOT voting for the townflip please.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 06:26 GMT
#1872
On August 01 2019 05:49 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2019 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Vote Koshi for:
1. Weird, illogical, super town-bus of Slam which he never explained
2. Continually blatantly misconstruing, misrepresenting, outright lying
3. Shitty reasons for voting rayn
4. Scumslip where he talked about HF being mafia because he will survive n3 double night kills. Not stated as a "if this happens", stated as a "yeah HF is mafia because he survived the double night kill". huge scum slip, obvious scum changed it here.


slam kill is weird but honestly he was the towniest one here. why hydra not shot though?


We should have been shot so the only reason i can think of is who we were scumreading at the end of day 2. Mafia must think that's worth more to them than a confirmed townie is to town.

Slam said recently that the scum team were the koshi voters.

The one read they agreed on was branch i think.

What do you think of branch? I think he's the smartest lynch here.

I don't know what bugs thinks about it though. He's not going to be here all the time during the rest of the game so I'm just going to give my opinions for the remainder and bugs can join me when he has time away from work.

-J


I gurantee you that a Branch lynch immediately loses the game for town.
HF never called me scum either, wo youre plain wrong here.

You should take a look at Eversince,MZ and Eywa if you actually want to play the game for a achange
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 06:29 GMT
#1873
On August 01 2019 06:02 Pandain wrote:
Branch is probably best lynch. Just way too safe but yet scummy at same time.


This just straight up scum.
Not 10 pages ago everyone agreed that on koshi scum, ff scum.
One was town, the other still alive.
Suddenly me, who was played nothing but town, is supposed to be the safe lynxh?

This post by pandain confirms him mafia to me.
Please make sure to note how their scum buddy mz immediately piles on to this.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 07:02 GMT
#1876
On August 01 2019 15:41 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2019 15:29 Branch.AUT wrote:
On August 01 2019 06:02 Pandain wrote:
Branch is probably best lynch. Just way too safe but yet scummy at same time.


This just straight up scum.
Not 10 pages ago everyone agreed that on koshi scum, ff scum.
One was town, the other still alive.
Suddenly me, who was played nothing but town, is supposed to be the safe lynxh?

This post by pandain confirms him mafia to me.
Please make sure to note how their scum buddy mz immediately piles on to this.

Also horrible post. Looks like mafia losing their shit because "not going according to plan"

Which is exactly how mafia should feel in this game,am i right? 4v3, everbody at their throats. Youre just scared people still remember your first 2 days.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 07:11 GMT
#1877
Btw Koshi. Eywa scum or not?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 07:11 GMT
#1878
Since you voted Eywa yesterday: convinced scum, or self preservation? Just curious
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 08:28 GMT
#1886
I thought the hydra was scum after bugs made a strange comment I tunneled into but their qt gave them a lot of towncred. To me, hydra town.

Pandain have to filter again, but really like his early days last time I read him. Right now uncertain of him.

Eywa I've called scum all day yesterday. People felt her town because town meta. But very easy to fake meta. Still think that their play is scummy.

Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 08:37 GMT
#1887
MZ wrote a really bad case on me, that was just full of holes day 2 and kept throwing my name into scum day 3. Seems like a setup to get easy mislynch on the newbie in lylo. That is why I think MZ scum.

Eversince jumped on any townlynch very eagerly, could not be convinced to vote Eywa. Uncertain, but leaning scum.

Koshi willing to cooperate and think about the game. Seems interested in reasoning and solving. accepting as town.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 09:31 GMT
#1888
On August 01 2019 16:18 Koshi wrote:
I dont know yet.

Do you see why I think Pandain and Smurf are town for that convzrsation they had?

I'm not so sure about pandain. He reads like he stopped trying around end of day 2 and is just coasting and making conversations now. Like hes a lot more relaxed now than he was at the start.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 10:19 GMT
#1890
Thats a possibility, but does that not fit their entire play?

Care to comment on my assessment of MZ/Pandain/ES, Jock?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 11:41 GMT
#1912
Voting Everysince
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 11:51 GMT
#1915
On August 01 2019 19:56 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch which combinations of players do you think couldn't be mafia together?

I'm hesitant to call out three people in connection. It is no how I approach this game.
I'll try anyway because youve asked me too

My strongest scumreads are MZ/Pandain. Both sheeped Slam during lynches, except when Slam changed his vote close to deadline. Both post constructive just enough to not be supiciously inactive, but way too little to actually catch mafia.

Eywa/ES im less sure of, Eywa because HF went all out defending them on meta reason. ES mostly posts prior to deadline and willingly gives her vote to anyone interacting, except when I pushed to lynch Eywa. Could see ES+Eywa together mafia.

I consider any combination of these four possible.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 01 2019 15:56 GMT
#1920
Just as predicted, scum going after the newbie for an easy mislynch in Lylo.

Good setup, decent executtion. Doomed to fail.

Saw this push coming on day 2. Looking forward to your scum buddies piling onto it.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 06:28 GMT
#2004
I'm caught up new.
Nice to hear from a couple new players. Glad to see you participate eywa.

MZ kept on doing what he set up the last two days, but doing a poor job of it.
MZ if youre indeed not scum, look at my posts IN CONNECTION to the time they were made. Things will be clearer.

Jock my vote is with you, so Im switching it now to your target.

Pandain still quiet.
Eversince defense post I have to spend more time on.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 07:03 GMT
#2007
If youre town your vote hast to go to MZ. The clear thought process is that if not 4 town votes on 1 person then the Game is Over.

Anyone not voting with jock, is scum.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 07:04 GMT
#2008
Ebwop for clarity: anyone voting differenty than jock is, is scum
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 07:31 GMT
#2012
If everyone votes with jock, he MIGHT be wrong, we MIGHT lose. ok.

If only 1 person votes a towny, mafia jumps, we lose for SURE.

Do you see how one is worse than the other?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 07:32 GMT
#2013
On August 02 2019 16:27 Eversince wrote:
You are basically saying "Jock says vote MZ, you vote MZ or your scum, just vote Jock and go ahead afk until EOD" Killing discussion in lylo. Wonderful choice there..

Discussion today was very productive so far, just read what happened since las NK.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 07:34 GMT
#2014
You might also notice, how I said vote with Jock, instead of vote for X. That is because the target, is less important, than vorting with jock. Wrong target, we MIGHT lose. Split vote, we DEFINATELY loste.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 09:07 GMT
#2017
First off: Throwing out random chains of names neither is helpful nor constructive.

Secondly:
I disagree with of bugs arguments here.
The activity argument I dislike because everybody has things in their life outside of forum mafia, and people might just be engaged elsewhere. Its an unreliable pointer towards alignment at best. Bugs, if you exclude activity, what is your opinion of pandain?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 09:10 GMT
#2018
The paindain and Eywa not being together as scum I simply dont understand. Using different pronouns is a town tell because...?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 09:38 GMT
#2021
I think MZ is scum because:

Previously he started sowing accusation across different posts D2/N2. Following this he wrote a very misinterpreted case on may on day 3. His collection of out of context quotes and intentional misinterpretation was neither convincid, nor factual. Many of his accusatory points had reasonable explanaitions, already provided prior to his case.

I explained to him what he got wrong, and even offered him an easy out of this misread (A post about cognitive bias and one of his first posts in the game about coagulation who I replaced). Instead he doubled down and kept throwing mud at me in bypassing comments on other conversations all the way through N3.

I can only take this to mean, he is scum trying to set-up an "easy" mislynch in lylo on the newbie player for days in advance.
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 15:05 GMT
#2026
On August 02 2019 21:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2019 18:38 Branch.AUT wrote:
I think MZ is scum because:

Previously he started sowing accusation across different posts D2/N2. Following this he wrote a very misinterpreted case on may on day 3. His collection of out of context quotes and intentional misinterpretation was neither convincid, nor factual. Many of his accusatory points had reasonable explanaitions, already provided prior to his case.

I explained to him what he got wrong, and even offered him an easy out of this misread (A post about cognitive bias and one of his first posts in the game about coagulation who I replaced). Instead he doubled down and kept throwing mud at me in bypassing comments on other conversations all the way through N3.

I can only take this to mean, he is scum trying to set-up an "easy" mislynch in lylo on the newbie player for days in advance.

You and eywa have a funny way of viewing things you don't understand as scummy. Which I suppose you don't understand things because you are scum.

Question for Eversince, Pandain, and Hydra. If I am scum and I come into the thread yesterday and see that ES is about to be lynched, why do I try and switch the votes onto Branch? Why even say anything? Branch has unfortunately got jock wrapped around his finger so Eversince and Pandain it's going to be up to you guys. Branch is 100% the right vote here. Normally I'd be fine with just letting the flip prove me right but unfortunately that strategy doesn't work at lylo.

Your myslynch attempt on the new player is as transparent as it is doomed to fail.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 19:16 GMT
#2035
BravO! What an entrance.
Pandain + Eversince, I have to applaud you
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 19:16 GMT
#2036
Picking up the newbie mislynch, just after this tearful MZ theater
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 19:20 GMT
#2038
Havent seen you play yet!
Branch.AUT
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Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 19:30 GMT
#2041
I have never lied in this entire game. This IS my first game of forum mafia. I know people from READING games on this website, where I have been a member for 9 years.

I have no clue how you think I gave a meta read on anyone, cause I've repeatedly said, that meta reads are faulty by definition. I mentioned some phrases, that HF is fond of saying in obs qt. Anybody can get those links by PMing hosts.

I am town. Guaranteed.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 19:55 GMT
#2043
I told you that HF posted this in postgame, and OBSqt. I read it and remembered. How is mentioning it here lying?

Ive read a couple of games on this site, games with chezinu among them. I also played mafia on sc2 client. WIth chezinu and others. Note how SC2 client is not a forum, and game there are not recorded.

No matter hwo hard YOU try to twist my words into lies. Theyre not. Just facts, and deliberate wording.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 20:10 GMT
#2048
One down. Well played Jock!
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 20:13 GMT
#2053
GG MZ you really tried
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 20:14 GMT
#2054
On August 03 2019 05:00 Eversince wrote:
I was saying it meant 'I've never meta read anyone' is wrong. Because you obviously did. Where you 'developed' that meta doesn't matter to me so much.. It's something you are saying you never did when you clearly did.

And saying you did the same thing with Chezinu after someone ask 'You've never played with Chez before right?' you answer 'I have' Implies that 'you have' (PLAYED with Chezinu before.

I'm not misconstruing your words. These are statements that you literally made.

Saying HF likes to kill people talking as mafia is not a read. It's a statement of fact. A fact, that HF himself stated in a public manner. Multiple times.

And as I just told you, and also said earlier, I have played mafia with chezinu before. If you would be so kind now, as to point me towards where I lied. If not, drop your bogus scumread of me. Accept that I am town, we might still win this.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 20:25 GMT
#2061
Pandain did atcvertain points, I think it was N3 and N2, cosy up really good with MZ.
He eagerly jumped onto throw shade at Branch train.

Pandain would be my first choice for next lynch, but as always, I am open to discussions.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 02 2019 22:42 GMT
#2074
I will go through everything tomorrow and look at the game with fresh eyes. Right now, pandain is my top choice to lynch
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 11:44 GMT
#2094
Wow bugs uncorking at someone else for a change.

Thanks for making me actually laugh at the assessment of my play. Out loud. In a tube full of people.

I've only quuck read the exchange between ES and bugs at this point, but ES does not come off well here. The completely too late read switch on me makes me cringe.

What I agree on at the moment is the assessment that mz, pandain and es been mainly trying to push branch mislynch. Lynching both of them is good in my opinion for this reason.

Ill be back in a few hours
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 12:27 GMT
#2096
I agree that a scum strategy of 2 active seeking a mislynch, and a third unconnected person as a failsafe makes sense. I had also considered this possibility, but was hesitant to devote too much time in case the game ended yesterday.

Im going to read through eywa/pandain/eversince with thisnin mind over the next few hours.


One more thing bugs/jock, since you have the modt town cred, and probably will die now. Ease name a successor, ro lead the lynch. One united vote is still necessary, and I think this would help our case
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 12:28 GMT
#2097
Sorry for the typos
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 14:21 GMT
#2102
Read MZs filter.
His attention is spread around on day one. As the game continues he mostly focuses on me, but gives soft townread to Eywa. This he completely drops and never mentions again, because all his posts are focused on pushing me / berating Koshi. Only when it becomes apparent his push is failing, he mentions Eywa as scumread and scummy. This was after Eywa leads a vote on MZ. To me this indicates the possibility of an Eywa scum longcon, bussing MZ to establish towncred.


Eversince seems to be only person alive, never to be called scum by MZ.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 14:24 GMT
#2103
On August 03 2019 22:58 Eversince wrote:
@ Branch that wasn't a read change. I still think you don't look great. But it's lylo so I can't afford to be wrong. Re-evaluating to check myself is a good idea in my mind ..

I'm dead though so I'm sleep soon.

What makes me scumread you the very most, is that, same as MZ did, you go out of your way, to misunderstand und reframe statements to fit your narrative.

This happened when we talked earlier, and also with bugs the following hours.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 14:59 GMT
#2106
Coming out of pandains filter.
He tunnels koshi hard, and berates eywa for bad play. Everything else in his filter is idle conversations.

I have a hard time making my mind up. During reading it felt so town, but his complete change after his switch to kosh town, and subsequent only posting conversationsnis a huge questionmark.

Afk for a couplenhours noe
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 18:14 GMT
#2109
Read through Eywa filter now.Vehemently struggling to not regurgitate my lunch.

The only time substantial posts are to be found, is leading up to the MZ lynch. Eywa scumread MZ all game, but only yesterday when ES was going to get lynched, decided to do something about it and pushed MZ. Other significant people mentioned are Branch (who I know to be town) and Pandain.

Directed at pandain eywa critizes pandains inactivity and unwillingness to hunt scum. As far as a read goes here I am unsure, leaning town. The possibility of a bussing exists, but that would mean that ES is also scum (making the Team Eywa, ES, MZ) because why bus MZ if ES is town?

Eywa, what do you think my alignment is this game?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 18:14 GMT
#2110
I would like to hear some thoughts from koshi.
Koshi are you here?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 18:38 GMT
#2114
What means play uniform?

I think if Eywa mafia -> 100% ES mafia. Because d4 makes no sense otherwise.
Reading Eversince next, but probably tomrrow morning.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 20:08 GMT
#2119
What?
GG and GL
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 03 2019 20:08 GMT
#2120
Thumbsup for the treepun
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 05 2019 20:10 GMT
#2316
GG everybody.
@scum how did you kill me over confirmed hydra last night?
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 05 2019 20:16 GMT
#2318
Excellent play jock! Espcially when you stepped out of bugs shadow d4, we got a lot done!
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 05 2019 22:12 GMT
#2337
On August 06 2019 05:19 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2019 05:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
Excellent play jock! Espcially when you stepped out of bugs shadow d4, we got a lot done!


We should have won.
I posted in Bugs and my QT about half hour before the end that the silence in the thread was making me think it was a mislynch, but i didn't have the balls to change the vote at the end in case i was wrong haha.

You should play here more often though, and panic less at end of day cos i was fully convinced you were mafia at that point...

Also I wouldn't be the newbie anymore

I hope I'm scum next time, I'm a much better scum player i think.

Playing hydra is awesome.

-J

Thanks. I might.

Concerning eod, what i wrote was true. Tried to read 8 pages in 10 minutes, didnt even finish 5 of them, threw my vote on highest wagon. To me it seemed logical. Sheep majority
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 05 2019 22:13 GMT
#2338
On August 06 2019 06:03 Eywa- wrote:
The scum team was not really in agreement for the night where we got 2 kills, so that's something we were able to utilize to our advantage, I was never killing HF and Slam there.

I was genuinely surprised at slam. He didnt do a lot previously
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
August 05 2019 22:14 GMT
#2339
On August 06 2019 05:22 Pandain wrote:
Great play Branch as well.

Thanks
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