Cupid's Arrow Mafia - Page 74

On July 30 2019 06:42 NoSmurfHere wrote:
From Midnight Sun Mafia



This is town koshi.

Where has this koshi been?

-J

On July 30 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I read Branch first, I'm not gonna go over the debate that we had about Koshi and the logic behind Smurf's Koshi push. I still believe Branch was being obtuse and not fully thinking through the implications of their reads. Furthermore, as many people have pointed out, this vote was trash:



And just because Branch acknowledges it does not exonerate him from making it.



This right here is reaching to make connections in the extreme, which is funny because that's exactly what Branch accused me of doing when I tried to walk them through the logic behind his reads. The best thing HF has done this whole game has been to pull those logs from the Hydra. Since I townread the Hydra, Occam's razor says that HF is also town and simply looking to get a clearer picture. And Branch is trying to throw doubt on that.


Yes I do believe he could be.


And see this is something I've been having a problem with throughout Branch's filter. between his declaration regarding his lack of meta as well the extremely robotic tone (someone actually used this word to describe him and I agree), it feels like Branch is trying super hard to put up a facade of controlled logic and reason. Slam talked a bit about emotion earlier and it honestly would be a fun postgame discussion to get into in the Community thread about the role emotion plays in forum mafia. I personally believe that attempts at "Pure Logic & Reasoning" serve more as a hiding place for scum rather than a bastion of good town thought. Townies do stupid illogical things, too dumb to be scum is a phrase for a reason no matter how much I hate it. Scum is more likely to post in a controlled manner imo.

That was a lengthy paragraph about meta on a player who has already reminded us he has none so it's kinda useless to overall scumhunting but in the interest of transparency that's where part of my gut scum read of Branch comes from.


This was a funny post to me because it sounded odd and I couldn't place it until I realized; it's a copy of a post in my filter:



Part of me can't help but wonder if Branch has "logically deduced" that this is how I like to communicate as mafia and is trying to head off me scumreading him since it probably wasn't hard to deduce I was suspicious of him after our initial interaction.



Again, people have already pointed out how bad this post is but since I'm here I'll throw in my two cents. For someone who has talked about the importance of voting your scumread (which I agree with!) Branch's hesitancy to say anything at all about HF is very strange. When responding to a post asking for reads Branch proceeds to throw out names with no reads. It goes back to the earlier questions I had for him in regards to his opinions of Koshi. He talks about how Koshi looks "guilty as hell" but then when I pushed him on it, he came back to say that he had never called Koshi scum. Branch likes to hide behind the technicality of never calling anyone "scum" (except for the hydra which at this point I think he's backed off of) and merely saying "suspicious".

This is all worth remembering because the last bit from Branch I don't like is his big list of reads:



This post takes no responsibility for the reads within it. Does he actually believe any of the suspicious people are scum? Who knows. Hell he even calls HF suspicious and then gives him a townread. This post and his play so far during this day cycle scream attempts at dodging responsibility. I don't have a problem with the questions that he's asked people in a vacuum, however when there is no follow up to the questions and seemingly no coherent push being made based on information gained from asking them, this falls under what I used to call "contributing without contributing" i.e. creating seemingly town content without actually having to make a stand on anything.

I didn't really come into this post certain one way or another of Branch's alignment but it was something that was bothering me yesterday before the lynch. Having had some time to sit down and go over things I'm fairly comfortable calling Branch scum. This also reinforces my scumread of Koshi because of Branch's chainsaw defense at the end of D2.

TL;DR If you don't want to read all of the post, my biggest and strongest argument for Branch being scum is the incredibly careful way he goes about avoiding making any real scumreads. Not only that but his attempt to lynch the hydra looks very much like a chainsaw defense of Koshi imo.