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I will save my thoughts on that for post-game
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On July 30 2019 10:43 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 10:28 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 30 2019 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 30 2019 09:38 Eywa- wrote:
Soo... Anyone seeing this FF and MZ scum theater unfolding? Jesus christ dude get off my nuts and scumhunt. eywa is scum I don’t think so man. You’re my biggest question mark of the three I most think are scum (in that I think MZ is on a roll) in that an alternate could be Eversince. I don’t think you should martyr if town because I am confident Koshi will be lynched today. Do you think he is town? If so, defend why you think so and thereby defend him. If not, vote him with us.
Koshi seemed town to me on previous days. He has fallen off and while I think he has been more pleasant than last few games, I have to concede that he's definitely nothing like the game I hosted where he was town tunneling on town calix.
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I like the MZ cases, I'll add to the list read post Branch made is full of contradiction too.
@FF
5-3, ML 4-3, N3 mafia 2 shot, 2-3 we lost  . If you're town here you need to show it. Why are so many people just like 'Just lynch easy solved'? How is that town mindset?
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On July 30 2019 10:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
How about this if everyone who wants me dead today can tell me their plan of action when I flip town I'll self vote and park it there til deadline, cool?
Considering that you don’t know it’s mylo, even if you’re town it’s optimal to just kill you and end the game because you were playing for scum the whole time anyway.
The only two options for town today are no-lynch or kill scum. If you don’t know that, or can’t even put the modicum of effort required to figure it out yourself, you’re scum or indistinguishable from scum.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 30 2019 12:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 10:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
How about this if everyone who wants me dead today can tell me their plan of action when I flip town I'll self vote and park it there til deadline, cool? Considering that you don’t know it’s mylo, even if you’re town it’s optimal to just kill you and end the game because you were playing for scum the whole time anyway. The only two options for town today are no-lynch or kill scum. If you don’t know that, or can’t even put the modicum of effort required to figure it out yourself, you’re scum or indistinguishable from scum. -wherebugsgo
I forgot about the double kill jeez man
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On July 30 2019 12:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 12:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 30 2019 10:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
How about this if everyone who wants me dead today can tell me their plan of action when I flip town I'll self vote and park it there til deadline, cool? Considering that you don’t know it’s mylo, even if you’re town it’s optimal to just kill you and end the game because you were playing for scum the whole time anyway. The only two options for town today are no-lynch or kill scum. If you don’t know that, or can’t even put the modicum of effort required to figure it out yourself, you’re scum or indistinguishable from scum. -wherebugsgo I forgot about the double kill jeez man
If you’re hoping this dumbtell is gonna save you from death tomorrow you better try harder
-wherebugsgo
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On July 30 2019 12:14 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 12:11 Fecalfeast wrote:On July 30 2019 12:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 30 2019 10:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
How about this if everyone who wants me dead today can tell me their plan of action when I flip town I'll self vote and park it there til deadline, cool? Considering that you don’t know it’s mylo, even if you’re town it’s optimal to just kill you and end the game because you were playing for scum the whole time anyway. The only two options for town today are no-lynch or kill scum. If you don’t know that, or can’t even put the modicum of effort required to figure it out yourself, you’re scum or indistinguishable from scum. -wherebugsgo I forgot about the double kill jeez man If you’re hoping this dumbtell is gonna save you from death tomorrow you better try harder -wherebugsgo
I was actually thinking of crafting a dumbtell for my next game as scum that's funny.
I'm not sure what more you want from me I have my reads, koshi was begging to be lynched all game idk seems like busy uninterested town to me
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Branch shading me on my Coag replacement reaction of “Game is harder than it should be” had a really convenient timing now that I went back and looked at it again.
I’ve committed a cardinal sin and reread something for only the 2nd or 3rd time this game but that one might have been worth it.
Right at that time was when I had a post to eversince about needing time to understand why slam would martyr in that situation, in the way he did, as well as getting cold feet on FF purely on tone-basis (and secretly, because we were getting 0 traction on FF)
As an alternative to slam/FF I proposed Koshi. Right around that time branch starts flinging poop at us.
Hmmm....
-wherebugsgo
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Yep, was odd. I still thought he was pretty town at that point if I'm remember right though. I just understood it as 'game is confusing' not a scum claim  . How anyone got 'scumslip' from that comment seems like misconstruing reflecting on it now..
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I kinda feel like killing branch too tbh
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On July 30 2019 12:37 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch shading me on my Coag replacement reaction of “Game is harder than it should be” had a really convenient timing now that I went back and looked at it again.
I’ve committed a cardinal sin and reread something for only the 2nd or 3rd time this game but that one might have been worth it.
Right at that time was when I had a post to eversince about needing time to understand why slam would martyr in that situation, in the way he did, as well as getting cold feet on FF purely on tone-basis (and secretly, because we were getting 0 traction on FF)
As an alternative to slam/FF I proposed Koshi. Right around that time branch starts flinging poop at us.
Hmmm....
-wherebugsgo
Man alive bugs I owe you an apology.
You’ve been on fire this game and I suspected you for it, slung shit at you for it, and got petulant for it.
I must seem like the fatass playing Warcraft at home to you. Man alive but I do feel marginalized in here when I finally find something. I gotta learn communication skills.
I also realized not everything is implicit and punctuation is important in English, period. It suddenly dawned on me with this weird idea:
It is hard being a man, child.
It is hard being a man child
One is a warning the other is a pathetic statement.
I gotta de-lazy myself with punctuation.
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The scum team is koshi, FF, Branch.
We're agreed. I had that team anyway and WBG has come back and agreed with it and MZ's cases have been very good today.
FF still trying to throw doubt on the QT stuff nice lol.
-J
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Correct me if I'm wrong:
10 players left
Us
Slam
Eywa
ES
MZ
HF
Koshi
FF
Branch
Pandain
so its 7v3
if we mislynch and there's 2 mafia kills its 4v3 still
-J
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Oops you are right!! How embarrassing! I just counted up base names but that excluded both Branch and myself xD! How did I do this for days.. I should sleep more.
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On July 30 2019 10:45 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will save my thoughts on that for post-game
It was totally paraphrased and summarised which is perfectly legal and always has been. No need to be salty because it eliminated a lynch for you :p
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On July 30 2019 07:29 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town 1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything: On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot. I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. What's changed here? 2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread? 5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on? 11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then? 14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing? I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too. FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote. Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt. But why does what I say about the hydra matter when: You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally. You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about. You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it? It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone? We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason.
Please respond to this when you come back.
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On July 30 2019 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today:
It's interesting to me how you somehow arrive at the conclusion that literally writing posts like "x is scum" makes someone more like to town, than posting reads and cooperating.
Let me adress your read on me now:
You say you have a problem with me claiming reason and logic, later call me robotic, don't you know that following logic is exactly what robots do? Why is it unnatural to appear robotic when playing logically?
What you call a facade is merely how I approach complex problems. Divide them into parts, and solve each indivdually.
You then immediately go back on a whole paragraph of what you just wrote, already undermining your argument yourself.
The part about copying one of you posts I simply don't understand. Can you please point out to me the similarity in these two posts you quoted posts?
You then somehow link me saying that voting ones scum-read is important (which I agree with), with something about being cautious about HF. These statements are entirely unconnected. For someone claiming to "logically deduce", you know precious little about the process.
And the last part of you first post is one half of a conversation I had with Holyflare, who asked me to provide a list of people in the game and my current opinion on them. Which in an attempt to cooperate with HF, I provided. This is me being consctructive. No clue how you arrive at this being scummy after claiming to have read said interaction 10 times. Leaving out the important second half of said conversation seems like youre twisting facts in order to have them fit your already reached conclusion. This is called cognitive
You are correct that none of these reads claism responsibility, because the only read I was certain of, and therefore would take resposibility for, was the Hydra read which has since been refuted.
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On July 30 2019 16:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 07:29 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 06:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 06:47 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town 1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything: On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations. If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did. It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way. Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up. On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot. I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. What's changed here? 2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread? 5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on? 11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then? 14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing? I decided to treat you as town and thereby by extension the hydra too. FF may have the similar reads, but lacking reason and explanations. Also way to many posts unrelated to the gane. Could be trying to pass unnoticed behind spam. Suspicious Koshi is old read. Also hasnt done much im aware of since then. I was busy elsewhere leading up to the lynch. No time for proper decision so i piles onto highes wagon. Probably going to reread before deciding to vote. Eversince provides her opionon and reason when accusing people. This seems more productive than calling people scum. Therefore Im leaning towards town. Im unsure if I understood your qurstion correctly. Please rephrase if i didnt. But why does what I say about the hydra matter when: You have your own opinion on what the hydra QT posts meant originally. You have a conclusive reason yesterday for them to be lock mafia that you didn't think to reconsider about. You only just town read me for town reading the hydra and that's pretty much it? It seems pretty weird to me that you'd sacrifice the first two points just because I looked like I was town confirming someone? We can talk more to solve this tomorrow. I am too tired to reason. Please respond to this when you come back.
I decided to townread you because I give you the best chances of entangling this mess, and solving this game for town, and by extension for me, a vanilla townie. While I still could be wrong, this gives me the best shot at victory from my current information.
Giving you towncred means accepting your opinion on the hydra, which has since been mirrored by others. Posting the qt, even though it didn't convince me initially, has confirmed them as town to many. And I can admit when I was wrong.
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