On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
You are displaying some really weird reading comprehension here.
On July 26 2019 17:46 Holyflare wrote: Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?
Dont trap him vecause he didnt consider that eywa post a case.
Pathetic.
You are.
I'm literally not trapping him in anything so please stop playing for Alakaslam and play for yourself. I'm simply seeing why he makes the post "people killed off rayn based off no cases" and then didn't follow up on any of those people.
I didn’t need to. The burden of proof was on them, but they weren’t looking for information or trying to get votes- they only needed just enough to get their Lynch. Laziness or mafia, but even as mafia it is laziness but you need some or you risk enlight
Wait
Enlightening the town so the vote moves and I just realized there MUST be scum on Rayn.
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.
I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.
Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.
Says the guy who thought I flipped from town reading slam to scum reading slam?
I haven't read much, no, and I clearly know and have interacted with slam/bugs about how slam got to myself/pandain (which, again, if you'd read the thread you'd know?) but that STILL doesn't actually answer my very specific question that has absolutely nothing to do with slam reading vivax's filter and picking out 2 names, 1 of which he didn't even scum read (me).
This is true Koshi, I didn’t see you quoting HF ever townreading me. That claim also had me go “wtf?”
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote: And Chezinu has nothing to do with all that. Try to read.
And if Eywa is mafia he called the entire ploy as well.
And he called rayn correctly as well. With confidence.
He is on another level as us and he is town. Don't hate, just follow.
This is literally my point!!!!
CHEZINU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANDAIN OR MYSELF (who slam only scum read based on vivax) SO WHY DOES CHEZINUS ALIGNMENT DEPEND ON PANDAIN??
But you, get off this train I did not connect Chezinu to this.
Not in that post, not ever. HF I thought you knew Russian right? Part of my problem with English (my home tongue) is I now know 2 languages with a smattering of like 9
On July 26 2019 18:13 Holyflare wrote: It's like talking to a trump supporter that just repeats inane statements without actually listening to what the people are actually saying.
K this logic goes both ways
And I don’t mean SJW’s are NPC’s. I mean the other thing.
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote: Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.
On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill slam
On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not going to until hydra dies tho
I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.
-wherebugsgo
Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him. HF more if Pandain flopped green.
I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.
Now for some insane reason HF want to proof Slam is mafia for above slightly modified post.
Slam gives great content. But that little comma, and the fact Slam said there were no cases on rayn is THE MOTHERFUCKER DEALBREAKER.
7 pages on slam.
But the goddamn comma makes him mafia.
You have edited this alakslam post grammatically to make it look better because this is not the original quote. Nor have I said it makes him conclusively mafia.
The comma makes the entirety of difference. Why does Pandain's alignment effect chezinu alignment?
Furthermore, I don't see your problem with me asking Alakaslam why he has not pushed people he said were doing suspicious things.
None of these things are bad and I simply don't agree that 7 pages of slam filter make him town or anything, especially when I disagree with almost every statement he makes.
Sorry you don't feel the same way but please shut up so slam can play the game with me. You're intruding in a very normal question directed to another player.
I don’t see a comma what the fuck? And I don’t see any change to my post?
Why the hell are the English so damned obsessed with punctuation
Is it not implied
Do you somehow think these are statements
No wonder the Asians are the smartest people they understand implication
On July 26 2019 18:31 Holyflare wrote: This is even blown way out of proportion. I'm not voting slam, nor have I said he is conclusively mafia (you thought i thought he was town even) I've said pandain's filter is bad and is probably mafia (who slam is voting) but when somebody looks suspicious (pandain) really clearly so and another player (slam) is ALREADY putting qualifiers on his lynch about myself or chezinu being more scummy based on pandain's flip if he's town them I'm going to make all of those enquiries because I'm town and it looks really fucking bad to say.
On July 27 2019 00:12 NoSmurfHere wrote: I’m off to bed, weather here sucks.
Here are some random thoughts with no conclusions whatsoever. I guess they are more observations that others may or may not have noticed.
1. Eywa has gone from being fairly loud on day 1 to essentially completely irrelevant
2. Chezinu is voting tube and hasn’t explained it
3. Slam is making up reasons as he goes along, it seems. Read HF -> must be town Reread HF -> top scum But not that top, Pandain is more top But if Pandain is not, it’s HF But their alignments have nothing to do with each other Oh btw one of them is scum because rayn voters had to have a scum in there Oh but I didn’t mention that because I couldn’t express it ....????
Good night and good luck.
-wherebugsgo
Actually I am trying to access my gut and why it says what it does as I go along.
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
He always covers for his ego by saying his towntarget sucked rather than own up to being wrong. Can replace He with Eywa- and still be right, probably.
(Actually might have to change pronouns too IDKFS as I think I have seen others use feminine? Meh I am a linguistic amateur I understand the reasons for the masculine neuter in English)
But HF will shrug off being called out on that like a duck will shrug off rain. Eywa- seems to take it like Uriah Heep minus the plotting.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it.
EPT
